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Watchmen Movie Trailer Is Out

I forgot to mention the other bit of exciting comic book movie news this week: DaSpudMan noted that the Watchmen trailer is out — from the Director of 300, which spawns mixed feelings at our office. But it looks pretty good.

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  1. Mixed Feelings definitely by Izabael_DaJinn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Mixed feelings sums it up for me as well!

    I have fond memories of my first boyfriend reading me the Watchmen, and many scenes in the trailer looked like they were taken right from the comic panels so I should be excited--but I don't know...

    The Comedian didn't look like quite like the vicious rascal I had hoped he would (but I only saw him for a few seconds so we'll see.)

    Ozymandius's costume looks completely different (I miss his purple one!), and Silk Spectre's costume is pretty generic looking.

    Nite Owl looks too much like Batman. (Sure they are similar characters, but very different also. I feel Nite Owl is not a very "dark" character, and making him into a 2nd rate Batman would not be doing his character justice.)

    Also I thought Rorshach's voice was a more distinctive monotone. He sounds just like any random guy whispering in this.

    And they didn't show any footage of the "vintage" comic book characters (i.e. the first generation Watchmen) so bummer on that.

    But based on the production clips it seems like the director is really trying to be true to the story and look of the comic, so as long as they don't change the ending I don't see that it could be THAT horrible, no matter if Alan Moore has already disowned it (he disowns like ALL his movie adaptations, doesn't he?)

    That said, I still wish Darren Aronofsky had taken over the directorial reigns.

    Btw, is Smashing Pumpkins doing the soundtrack or is that just for the trailer?

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    1. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But based on the production clips it seems like the director is really trying to be true to the story and look of the comic, so as long as they don't change the ending I don't see that it could be THAT horrible,

      Considering that my major complaint of Watchmen is the ending, I think changing it could only help. See my review at the Amazon listing for Watchmen , but basically I felt Moore could have created a much more refreshing plot than having the supervillian ultimately explain his whole scheme in dialogue to the heroes before doing them in, like the James Bond trope. I liked so much of the series, which really did move the comic tradition forward, but the last book was a letdown.

    2. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Informative

      That song was already in the Batman and Robin soundtrack, and even had its own video. I don't think they'll retread it. Early teasers use placeholder music all the time. I can't count the number of times I've heard Mortal Kombat background music (it's mostly ethnic-sounding drums) or the music from The Fugitive (film version) in a trailer for a totally different movie.

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    3. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      I saw this trailer before batman. I thought (for a second) that they were bringing val kilmer back as batman ... in the funny suit. Turns out, it wasn't batman ... it was Nite Owl.

    4. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by SputnikPanic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the less than inspiring costumes may be intentional, as if to suggest that the costumed heroes are operating at one level, while Dr. Manhattan is operating at another level entirely. Another plane of existence, in fact.

    5. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by mackil · · Score: 1

      Btw, is Smashing Pumpkins doing the soundtrack or is that just for the trailer?

      Probably just the trailer... unfortunately

    6. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by icegreentea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. There's a niche market for creating music suitable for trailers/other place holders. Immediate Music springs to mind. There's also a significant amount of reuse. For example, I remember at least one trailer for the Core used music from The Rock.

    7. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by franksands · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I love that ending exactly because the heroes think that he is just monologuing, when that is not exactly what happens. I was pretty much vague to avoid spoilers. Watchmen is definitely one of the best comics there is, so it is a big challenge to bring it to the screen. Even more if you consider the parallel stories and subplots.

    8. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Yep. No point in commissioning a new work or paying to license a song when you can just re-use something that's already in the library.

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    9. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by hudsonhawk · · Score: 1

      What on earth would make you expect Aronofsky to do a good job on a film like this?

    10. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Informative

      While it made no pretense of subtlety, the way in which the supervillain ultimately explains his scheme was markedly different from the norm, and he explicitly points out why. It was a creative twist on an old standby which was still pretty effective in keeping me engaged.

      It's a spoiler, and wikipedia spoils it as well.

    11. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you missed the point. Spoilers ahoy.

      Ozy isn't uttering forth a monologue; he's distracting everybody. He's already won. Further, he's not trying to show them how smart he is, daring them to outthink him, Riddler-style; he's giving himself up for judgement. He wouldn't have stopped any of the heroes had they decided to go reveal the plan; you'll note that he lets Rorshach go. Further, he seeks absolution from Dr. Manhattan.

      In other words, the entire point of that scene is to send up the comic book trope.

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    12. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Moore was actually pretty complimentary of David Hayter's script (inasmuch as he said it was good as he could hope for), which they apparently haven't deviated too far from. He's still dismissive of the idea of a movie version in on principle, of course.

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    13. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Tragedy4u · · Score: 1

      Night Owl was actually based on the Blue Beetle, having been denied the actual rights to the character by DC. Note the goggles in both character's costumes and the similarity to their vehicles. However I can certainly see why you'd mistake him for Batman, there are a lot of similarities.

    14. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by shimage · · Score: 1

      (he disowns like ALL his movie adaptations, doesn't he?)

      Perhaps because they all suck big time? Nonetheless, I'm still somewhat excited about this. On the other hand, I was also excited about 300 but didn't care for the movie much (yeah, I know, I'm the only dude that didn't like it).

    15. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Ozymandius's costume looks completely different (I miss his purple one!), and Silk Spectre's costume is pretty generic looking.

      Personally, I thought Ozymandius's costume in the comic book was kind of silly, and was somewhat relieved when they changed it for the movie. I'd tend to agree on silk spectre, except those faux garters are a little edgy.

      > Nite Owl looks too much like Batman. (Sure they are similar characters, but very different also. I feel Nite Owl is not a very "dark" character, and making him into a 2nd rate Batman would not be doing his character justice.)

      This is from memory way back in the eighties, but I seem to remember that Moore originally wanted to do this as a "parallel world" using the DC characters, but the company said no. I could be misremembering. But Night Owl was supposed to be this world's batman, and Dan Dreiberg struck me as the only really decent character of the whole bunch. As such, I'd expect him to be less "dark" than the other characters.

      > Also I thought Rorshach's voice was a more distinctive monotone. He sounds just like any random guy whispering in this.

      Did anyone else have trouble listening to Rorshach in the trailer? I could hear him fine in the "standard resolution" trailer, but his voice is drowned out by the music in the HD version. I wasn't expecting anything particularly different there -- Rorshach is a normal human, after all.

      > But based on the production clips it seems like the director is really trying to be true to the story and look of the comic, so as long as they don't change the ending I don't see that it could be THAT horrible, no matter if Alan Moore has already disowned it (he disowns like ALL his movie adaptations, doesn't he?)

      Agreed. The look is amazingly like the comic. And I applaud them for keeping it in 1985 instead of trying to twist the plot so it would fit in current times.

      I'm not familiar with Smashing Pumpkins... what song was that?

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    16. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't like 300? HAHA FAG!

    17. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have to agree.

      You see, the other costumed heroes were just that - some had improved capabilities (like Ozymandias), and some had neat devices (like Nite Owl), but in the end they were all people whose costume was primarily aimed at concealing their identities.

      Dr. Manhattan was different... since he was no longer entirely human he was no longer affected by human norms and values (watch how his clothing becomes sketchier from his early days to the "present").

      I thought it was a pretty cool way of showing how much he'd diverged from his original self without blabbing it out loud.

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    18. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Barradrewda · · Score: 1

      Well said. Ozy is putting himself up for judgment because he is not a supervillain, the guy was trying to stave off a world war. Is it morally permissible to kill a few to save a lot, especially without the consent of the few - the greatest utilitarian moral dilemma facing the republic. I thought Comedian looked spot on and I love the Caligulaesque Ozy suit. Smooches.

    19. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by CFTM · · Score: 1

      And Hans Zimmer has been reusing his musical themes for quite some time now...it always cracks me up when I'm watching a movie and I'm like...hmmmm this sounds a lot like the rock! And then Hans ends up being the composer for the movie...

    20. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by (startx) · · Score: 1

      I believe the song was either "The end is the beginning is the end" or "The beginning is the end is the beginning" off of the Batman Forever soundtrack. Horrible, Horrible movie, but a pretty good soundtrack!

    21. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Czarf · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is from memory way back in the eighties, but I seem to remember that Moore originally wanted to do this as a "parallel world" using the DC characters, but the company said no. I could be misremembering. But Night Owl was supposed to be this world's batman, and Dan Dreiberg struck me as the only really decent character of the whole bunch. As such, I'd expect him to be less "dark" than the other characters.

      The Watchmen characters were originally supposed to be the characters DC purchased from Charlton Comics. When DC decided to use them in their universe instead, Alan Moore created new characters based on them. Nite Owl is his version of the Blue Beetle.

    22. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Did anyone else have trouble listening to Rorshach in the trailer? I could hear him fine in the "standard resolution" trailer, but his voice is drowned out by the music in the HD version. I wasn't expecting anything particularly different there -- Rorshach is a normal human, after all.

      In terms of not having any superpowers, I guess he's normal in that respect. I would say that he's a very abnormal human though.

    23. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beginning is the End is the Beginning by the Smashing Pumpkins

      Coincidentally, coming from a Batman Soundtrack

    24. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Steve001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tragedy4u wrote:

      Night Owl was actually based on the Blue Beetle, having been denied the actual rights to the character by DC. Note the goggles in both character's costumes and the similarity to their vehicles. However I can certainly see why you'd mistake him for Batman, there are a lot of similarities.

      All of the main Watchman characters are based on the characters that DC got from Charlton Comics (for example, Dr. Manhattan was based on Captain Atom, and Silk Spectre was based on Nightshade) Originally, the creative team was going to use the Charlton characters for the story, but when DC saw the story, new characters based on the originals were created for the story.

    25. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by magnusrex1280 · · Score: 1

      The person you're speaking to didn't mistake Nite Owl for Batman, they said he was a similar character, which is true in some ways. Also, he's based on Blue Beetle, but it had nothing to do with not having the rights.

    26. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > I believe the song was either "The end is the beginning is the end" or "The beginning is the end is the beginning" off of the Batman Forever soundtrack. Horrible, Horrible movie, but a pretty good soundtrack!

      That explains it. I made a huge effort to forget everything to do with that film. Just bought the song off itunes, though.

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    27. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 1

      Didn't like 300? HAHA FAG!

      Please let the irony exist outside of my imagination.

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    28. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by holiggan · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Btw, is Smashing Pumpkins doing the soundtrack or is that just for the trailer?

      The song is called "The End Is the Beginning Is the End", and was included with the Batman & Robin soundtrack. Which might or might not be a good owmen ;)

      The sond is really cool, actualy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_Is_the_Beginning_Is_the_End

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    29. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Of those people in the audience who are not utilitarians, they will find the argument to be absurd, as does Rorschach.

      Which perhaps explains Rorschach's popularity.

    30. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the original costumes did that better. Their gaudiness made for a stark contrast with the people wearing them, highlighting how they've lost much of the panache they had in the past. Nite Owl's costume emphasized how it no longer fit either his physique or his state of mind. I'm trying to imagine how they can accomplish that with the darker style costume in the trailer, but all I'm getting is "I'm Batman, but I feel kind of 'meh' about it." Ah, well, maybe they'll surprise me.

      I similarily felt that Dr. Manhattan was a bit too glowy. Does he really have to wear that aura all the time? His increasing distance to humanity was supposed to be revealed progressively during the movie. At first he seemed like just this blue guy, ya know?

      Anyway, I'll be majorly disappointed in the state of American society if there's no blue penises to be found, and that goes both for the movie and for the coming action figures. Remember, the flaccid penis stands firm, separating the true art from the tripe for the vulgar masses.

    31. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Blackbrain · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is a link to an old "Comic Book Artist" magazine interview with Alan Moore that definitively describes the DC/Carlton/Watchmen connection:
      http://twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/09moore.html

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    32. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Usekh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't really want to be to rude here, but basically from what you posted here you kind of missed the whole point of it. The ending was a send up of that whole supervillain explain the whole scheme thing, and his bit about "What makes you think I am one of those people...I did it 35 minutes ago" was probably some of the best panels in the whole series, precisely because it did fuck with that formula.

    33. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by dbreakey · · Score: 1

      If I recall, Rorscharch's voice didn't become flat and monotonous until after the incident with the dogs and the kidnapping, when he "found" himself.

      Doesn't this line of dialogue come before that, during the Keene Act riots?

    34. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by MisterTeabag · · Score: 1

      Quite.

      Night Owl = Blue Beetle
      Rorshach = The Question
      Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom
      Silk Spectre = Nightshade
      Ozymandias = Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt
      The Comedian = Peacemaker

    35. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one still shot of 1940's vintage Silk Spectre and Comedian on IMDB.

    36. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Joe LoDuca and Danny Elfman do the same thing, even to the point where I swear they crib off each other. As for outright reuse, I've heard parts of the Army of Darkness sountrack in at least two other movies.

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    37. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by CelticLo · · Score: 1

      Mixed feelings sums it up for me as well!

      And they didn't show any footage of the "vintage" comic book characters (i.e. the first generation Watchmen) so bummer on that.

      http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/moviestills/w/watchmen/17.jpg
      "A look at the Minutemen from 1940 in Watchmen. Fans of the comic will appreciate this one much more, that's APOLLONIA VANOVA as Silhouette, NIALL MATER as Mothman, DAN PAYNE as Dollar Bill, CLINT CARLETON as the original Nite Owl, DARYL SCHEELER as Captain Metropolis, CARLA GUGINO as the original Silk Spectre, GLENN ENNIS as Hooded Justice and (kneeling) JEFFREY DEAN MORGAN as The Comedian."

    38. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The song is The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning - it was on the Batman & Robin soundtrack along with The End is the Beginning is the End, which is a more rocked up version.

    39. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by delysid-x · · Score: 1

      Don't feel bad, I'm the only one that liked Doom. At least 300 was better than Alexander. That movie was a little brokeback.

    40. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Mortal Kombat background music (it's mostly ethnic-sounding drums)

      That might be Juno Reactor's "Conga Fury". It was in the Animatrix as well.

    41. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by adona1 · · Score: 1

      No, Danny Elfman cribs off Danny Elfman :) just listen to the last half dozen Tim Burton films..

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    42. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Of those people in the audience who are not utilitarians, they will find the argument to be absurd, as does Rorschach.

      Well the sense I got from them was that they found the argument absurd, but at that point had nothing to gain and a lot to lose by revealing it to anyone.

    43. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      But based on the production clips it seems like the director is really trying to be true to the story and look of the comic, so as long as they don't change the ending I don't see that it could be THAT horrible, no matter if Alan Moore has already disowned it (he disowns like ALL his movie adaptations, doesn't he?)

      From page 5 of the EW article that someone else on this page linked:

      ... Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added. ...

    44. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its an Acoustic version of the Pumpkin's "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" from "Batman and Robin" soundtrack

      It can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK6MNe7Td0

    45. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by nomadic · · Score: 1

      This is from memory way back in the eighties, but I seem to remember that Moore originally wanted to do this as a "parallel world" using the DC characters, but the company said no.

      A good thing I think, considering DC (like Marvel) apparently spent the past decade making parallel world comic after parallel world comic, and Watchmen may have just gotten lost in the horde.

    46. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Don't feel bad, I'm the only one that liked Doom. I liked Doom as well. I just wish it had anything to do with the game.

    47. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      Speaking of costumes, one thing I loved about "The Watchmen" is how it isn't just accepted as normal that people will dress up in weird costumes and fight crime. People raise questions: How do you keep the mask on? The cape looks cool, but doesn't it get in the way? Is this some sort of sexual fetish?

      The memoir of the first Night Owl raises a great point about costumed criminals. "...if you're the only one who'd bothered to turn up in a costume, you tended to look kind of stupid. If the bad guys joined in as well, it wasn't so bad, but without them it was always sort of embarassing..." I mean, seriously, imagine what the response would be if some guy in a skin-tight superhero costume started running around New York beating up muggers and crack dealers.

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    48. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by identity0 · · Score: 1

      I have fond memories of my first boyfriend reading me the Watchmen

      And they say comics are for illiterates...

      Apparently, even that doesn't help.

    49. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Bageloid · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_Is_the_Beginning_Is_the_End The song is entitled-"The Beginning Is the End Is the Beginning" from the single album "The End Is the Beginning Is the End", written for Batman and Robin.

    50. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Plus, remember just how twisted the villain actually is. The villain has compassion for the heroes and wants to clue them in. I just hope they leave John's line in "Nothing ever ends" because it actually made me shiver when I read it.

      The Watchman was a great work and I was really excited when I read about this film and particularly when I saw it wasn't going to be filled with Big Names. My excitement has dropped a bit now I realised that the director is the same man who did 300. I really hope that it doesn't end up as just a stupid action movie and I also hope they keep the brilliant / sad / uplifting impotence scene. I love that for the part that comes later on. And wow, I've just realised how hard it is to write anything about The Watchman without committing a spoiler. And it's a story that you really don't want to do that with. Spoiler for Wanted? Who cares! But the Watchman... wow, that has some twists!

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    51. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/moviestills/w/watchmen/17.jpg "A look at the Minutemen from 1940 in Watchmen.

      "403 Forbidden"

      Try http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/movie/watchmen/stills/17

    52. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      No, I mean the bits by George S. Clinton. No electronic instrumentation, IIRC.

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    53. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that a movie that almost exclusively features overly muscular men running around dressed in rather revealing clothes is somehow less than 100% hetero? Maybe so; fortunately, they through in an unnecessarily hermaphroditic character to make sure there was no confusion about this movie's supreme manliness.

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    54. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      My personal favorite was when they used the "Terminator" soundtrack music in the "Robocop" trailer. Kind of appropriate, methinks.

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    55. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not familiar with Smashing Pumpkins... what song was that?

      The Beginning is the End is the Beginning ...not to be confused with The End is the Beginning is the End

    56. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      No, Danny Elfman cribs off Danny Elfman :) just listen to the last half dozen Tim Burton films..

      Well yeah, that was kinda my point. I was just adding that between him and Joe LoDuca there appears to be a sum total of approximately 0.75 composers, and this fractional composer always sounds the same.

      I'm watching a Simpsons rerun right now... that theme song sounds familiar.... am I watching Edward ScissorBat?

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    57. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      nomadic wrote and included with a post:

      This is from memory way back in the eighties, but I seem to remember that Moore originally wanted to do this as a "parallel world" using the DC characters, but the company said no.

      A good thing I think, considering DC (like Marvel) apparently spent the past decade making parallel world comic after parallel world comic, and Watchmen may have just gotten lost in the horde.

      From the 60s to the mid-80s DC introduced a large number of multiple earths (at least four were in regular use). With the series "Crisis On Infinite Earths" in 1985 the number of earths was reduced to one.

      In 2006 the multiverse returned at the end of "Infinite Crisis" with the introduction of 52 universes, including a number that resembled those that existed before "Crisis On Infinite Earth" (although this was not revealed until the last issue of "52" in 2007).

      Returning to this thread's topic, one of the worlds is Earth-4, which contains the Charlton characters (Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, the Question, and so on) who were the basis of the Watchman characters. Due to the nature of the Multiverse it is possible that one of the Earths could be where the story of Watchman took place.

  2. If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you'd seen The Dark Knight, you'd have seen this trailer.

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    1. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by edbulldog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IF you saw The Dark Knight and IF you are from a country where they are showing this trailer. I surely didn'y saw it.

    2. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      If you'd seen The Dark Knight, you'd have seen this trailer.

      Not yesterday in the theater I visited in the midwest.

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    3. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      They are not showing it at IMAX theatres. Just a FYI

    4. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just go catch it at Apple's trailer site, where it has been since the day before Dark Knight debuted.

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    5. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wrong. Saw Dark Knight twice this weekend, in two different theaters. Only saw the Watchmen trailer one. So shut your fucking pie hole.

    6. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      If you'd seen The Dark Knight, you'd have seen this trailer.

      Nope. They skipped it for us. Saw 007 which I hope hope hope they don't screw up, they had a few others that were utterly forgettable to the point I don't remember what they were, but no Watchmen.

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    7. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Body of Lies and Terminator Salvation here.

    8. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by cens0r · · Score: 1

      They showed it at my IMAX Friday night. I think it was done by the theater themselves, because there was about 10 seconds of harry potter music before it started.

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    9. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They showed it an IMAX near me too, were you at the Minnesota zoo?

    10. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's the one. Terminator Salivation, I keep miscalling it. About as bad as a friend who always read "destiny" as "density" so he'd keep saying "So when I was playing Spear of Desnity --fuck, destiny! So when I was playing SOD..." Heh. Fun to prank him on this. Hold our hands out dramatically to him say "Screw up everything you say, Luke, it is your density!"

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    11. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by 47Ronin · · Score: 1

      No kidding. This trailer has been up on Apple's site for quite a while (at least a week). Where has everyone on Slashdot been?

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    12. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      No kidding. This trailer has been up on Apple's site for quite a while (at least a week). Where has everyone on Slashdot been?

      Watching the Dark Knight, then rushing home and watching this trailer on repeat for a week or so. Duh.

    13. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by ichthyoboy · · Score: 1

      Terminator Salivation..."Screw up everything you say. Luke, it is your density!"

      So is this the one with the drooling cyborgs?

    14. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not showing it at IMAX theatres. Just a FYI

      It was shown before Dark Knight at the IMAX showing I saw.

    15. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by delysid-x · · Score: 1

      That's where i saw it... Didn't figure out what it was till i spotted Rorshach. I've been waiting for this for a long time. Even if it's not awesome it'll still be better than X-Men

    16. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You surely didn't learn to speak English either by the looks of it. Didn'y saw it, did'y?

    17. Re:If you'd seen The Dark Knight... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Actually, I saw The Dark Knight on Friday night in the US, and I didn't see the trailer. In fact, my theater didn't play ANY trailers before the movie.

  3. Saw the trailer prior to Dark Knight... by Samurai+Cat! · · Score: 1

    Looks freaking AWESOME. And Jackie Earle Haley is creepy looking enough to physically portray a great Rorschach (sp?)...

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  4. Wish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wish we had a mixed-feelings spawn point in our office.

  5. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is madness!

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is madness!

      This! Is! SPARTAAAAAA!

  6. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who watches the Watchmen trailer?

    Oh, right. That would be us.

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    1. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by imipak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh man, I've not waited so eagerly for a film since, ooh, Matrix Reloaded, or Phantom Menace... or possibly Scanner, Darkly.

      This is not a good sign.

      Why, oh why, are all the films of Alan Moore stories made to date been so lame? (Let's see, Constantine - total turkey; V for Vendetta - probably the least bad so far, scrupulously faithful to surface texture whilst completely missing the point; League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - almost as bad as Constantine;... From Hell - well I've not seen that, but as us cricket fans would say, it returned to the pavilion without troubling the scorer.

      I know he's got his name pulled for reasons of principle, but really if it were purely down to "how good a film is it?" that would also be a good move.

      If anyone out there's only seen the crappy films but not read the books, do yourself a favour and pick them up. Start with Watchmen. It's one of those works that seems to get more relevant every year.

      Personally, I'm waiting for "D.R. And Quinch" or "Halo Jones" to be filmed =)

    2. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by ajm · · Score: 1

      Halo Jones - Now that would be a excellent one. Three different sections would make it tough to do though. "Anybody could have done it."

    3. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by lgw · · Score: 1

      I really liked the Constantine movie - why all the hate over that one?

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    4. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      D.R. and Quinch would be so funny... If they did it serially, I'd buy a ticket for a hundred bucks for the summer camp story.

    5. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant use of Latin. You're obviously not a product of the U.S. educational system.

      Bovina Sancta, Batman!

    6. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with A Scanner Darkly? It was MUCH better than I expected. But then again my expectations of anything adapted from PKD is REALLY low, lower than my expectations of anything Lucas and Spielberg do. In the end though, it was a pretty good adaptation, and the animation didn't give me a migraine like Waking Life did. The casting was good too, since... The actors manage to have the same foibles as the characters they portray (except maybe Reaves, but you must take some bad with the good)

      What is your major complaint? I can see being miffed over Matrix II-III, and Phantom Menace, since those were steaming piles of... Marketing.

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    7. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by masterzora · · Score: 1

      I liked the movie, too, but it wasn't Hellblazer by any means.

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    8. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, "From Hell" really is horrible. Of course they slapped on the obligatory love story, but -- and this is not to be forgiven -- they swapped the main character, a fake psychic in the comic, for a guy with actual powers of premonition, turning a psychologically deep and historically interesting story into utter bullshit.

    9. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I get a bit tired of some of these authors claiming not to care what's done with their work when it goes to movie. It would be nice if one of them would make an effort to make sure a good film is made if only for the fans. You know, the fans that made them very rich? Not saying they owe anyone anything, it would just be nice.

    10. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, oh why, are all the films of Alan Moore stories made to date been so lame? (Let's see, Constantine - total turkey; V for Vendetta - probably the least bad so far, scrupulously faithful to surface texture whilst completely missing the point; League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - almost as bad as Constantine;... From Hell - well I've not seen that, but as us cricket fans would say, it returned to the pavilion without troubling the scorer.

      Going a bit far to say Constantine was a film on an Alan Moore story - although he invented the character (in Swamp Thing), IIRC Moore didn't write a single issue of Hellblazer... not that the film had much in common with that, either.

    11. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by the+phantom · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would suggest that you read through these essays by Ms. Le Guin. The sad fact is that authors rarely have any input in the film-ification of their work.

    12. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I get a bit tired of some of these authors claiming not to care what's done with their work when it goes to movie. It would be nice if one of them would make an effort to make sure a good film is made if only for the fans. You know, the fans that made them very rich? Not saying they owe anyone anything, it would just be nice.

      I don't even mind them not caring, but Moore gets all angry at anyone who makes a movie based on his work. He is going to hate this movie, if not for the movie itself but because one of the producers misspelled his name on a letter, or someone was interviewed and said something he didn't like, or some such thing. The man will create a feud over anything.

    13. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My God! Our Northern hemisphere spells out 'Dean Fusk is embezzling the canteen fund' in Centravian !

    14. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      I would consider The Dark Knight to be influenced enough by The Killing Joke to be considered an Alan Moore adaption. Obviously Frank Miller's comics are the main inspiration, but the Batman-Joker story in Dark Knight is very reminiscent of The Killing Joke.

    15. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The sad fact is that authors rarely have any input in the film-ification of their work.

      Indeed, Ms Le Guin has it spot-on. Having been involved with writing a few screenplays, I can tell everyone who's never been there, You Have No Idea. Seriously, on a project that makes it to the screen, there are a dozen or so self-important hacks between the writer and the final edit, all trying to "exercise their creativity" on the work. And the less clout you have as an established writer, the more talentless hacks will screw it up. It used to be that producers and other studio execs would take care of the business side and leave the filmmaking to the filmmakers. The modern studio system is rife with slick dolts who got into the business because their fathers, uncles, or other relatives "handed down" the job to them. These guys don't understand that it's not their job to "reimagine" your script. I've actually had these morons interrupt my pitch to to interject their "creative input". One instance: a story about a group of adventurers led by an old, but very wise and experienced man. One of the party is a young, good-looking, braggart prick. They're intentional polar opposites. The guy I was pitching to said "I think it'd be better if you got rid of the old guy and made the young guy the leader". His own assistant tried to explain why that'd be dumb, but the guy just kept basically saying "young heroes market better". What he was suggesting was the equivalent of getting rid of Picard and replacing him with Wesley or Barkley! In the end, he offered to buy the script outright--- which means he'd get some hack to rewrite the script with the young guy as the leader, and I'd see it on the USA Network at 3am and have to shoot myself over how bad it was. My co-writer and I insisted on full control, though, so (like all our projects) they option it for a nominal sum and it will never see the screen unless they get really desperate. S'ok. We get those option checks every year, and that's better than a single lump sum and an embarrassment on the screen. That was the last thing we pitched. We have better things to do with our time.

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    16. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by a_real_bast... · · Score: 1

      He wasn't blond, Cockney, London was never mentioned (yes, Constantine has operated elsewhere, but it's always been obvious London's his home turf), and they turned the character who [SPOILER SPOILER DANGER WILL ROBINSON] tricked the archangel Gabriel into Falling, then took his wings off with a chainsaw and left him on the streets into a repentant Christian.
      Just... no.

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    17. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, the problem was that it wasn't true to some comic book I'll never read. That makes sense. I was evaluating the movie on its own merits, rather than on hair color-correctness. ;)

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    18. Re:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by a_real_bast... · · Score: 1

      Fair enough.
      I picture John Constantine as the man who tricked Satan into drinking holy water, summoned Sid Vicious out of hell by accident, sold his soul to two different Lords of Hell so that neither can claim it without starting a war, and fed the person who killed his ex-girlfriend LSD and locked him in a box with her defrosting, lightly-rotted corpse... I just didn't get that "magnificent bastard" feeling from the movie.

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  7. MPAA keeps you safe again by ThanatosMinor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The trailer for Watchmen got the E.T. treatment.
    Just in case you were afraid that the character on screen was going to shoot you, his gun has been replaced by a walkie-talkie.

  8. Billy Crudup by jockeys · · Score: 1

    I think it's pretty nifty that the dude playing Dr. Manhattan (Billy Crudup) is an actor that already has some pretty decent geek (well, otaku...) cred:

    he voiced Ashitaka in Mononoke-Hime.

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    1. Re:Billy Crudup by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      Surely you mean, "Princess Mononoke".

  9. soundtrack? by Aurisor · · Score: 1

    Anyone know the name of the song in the trailer? I'm almost positive it's by the pumpkins, but I've never heard the song before (and I have a lot of pumpkins :) ).

    1. Re:soundtrack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's either "The End is the Beginning is the End" or "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning" (or some variant of that) from the Batman and Robin soundtrack.

    2. Re:soundtrack? by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      Anyone know the name of the song in the trailer? I'm almost positive it's by the pumpkins, but I've never heard the song before (and I have a lot of pumpkins :) ).

      I believe it's "The End is the Beginning of the End".

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    3. Re:soundtrack? by ink · · Score: 1

      Here's a youtube of it:

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSPFNq2KsFE

      Smashing Pumpkins - The End Is The Beginning Is The End. Fluke does a pretty damn good remix of it, if you can track it down.

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  10. Trailer Music... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "300" had Nine inch nails in the trailer. And then nothing in the film... I was let down!

    1. Re:Trailer Music... by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      If 300 had NIN in it, it would have been the only thing I liked about 300. Im fairly excited about The Watchmen, but knowing that its the same director doesnt sit well.

      I think the best Trailer music ive seen/heard so far is the use of Clint Mansell's - Lux Aeterna (From Requiem For A Dream) for one of the Lord Of The Rings trailers...

      But its a great theme for anything envolving a battle or any kind really, I never get sick of it, its like the beginning of Carl Orff's - O Fortuna (From Carmina Burana) so much power there, perfect.

    2. Re:Trailer Music... by jaguth · · Score: 0

      Good, lets hope its the same for the Watchmen. There is no worse, craptastical musical selection than the smashing pumpkins. God, just thinking about them make my ears bleed.

    3. Re:Trailer Music... by delysid-x · · Score: 1

      At least they didn't use OLP - Superman's DEad... our lady peace is much worse than pumpkins. Though they both suck ass. Whoever does OLP's lyrics may be retarded. "doesn't anybody ever knnow that the world's a subway subway subway ayeeeeee"

    4. Re:Trailer Music... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      I know they haven't aged well, but I still love me some pumpkins, and that was the first thing I noticed about this new trailer.

      Granted, it's an old remix of an old track from about 10 years ago... they no longer haul as much ass.

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    5. Re:Trailer Music... by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      If 300 had NIN in it, it would have been the only thing I liked about 300.

      I liked both the comic and the movie, but you just reminded me of a joke: How did "300" get its name? Someone asked, "On a scale of 1 to 10, how gay is this movie?"

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    6. Re:Trailer Music... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there was at least one person with nine-inch nails in that crazy Persian caravan.

      THERE WAS A FRIGGING HOOKAH-SMOKING GOAT-HEADED MAN

  11. Cool by Ours · · Score: 2, Informative

    Every scene shown brings me back to it's corresponding scene in the comic. The characters look spot on. Damn is this getting my hopes up. It's going to be hard.

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    1. Re:Cool by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      When I first heard they were making a Watchmen movie, I cringed. I remember what a sham League of Extraordinary Gentleman was, and I couldn't see Watchmen faring much better. Seeing the trailer, along with the recent track record of movies that finally do right by their comic book inspirations -- Iron Man, the rebooted Batman and Hulk -- I'm left with some hope that it might actually be pretty good after all.

    2. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already hard.
       
      Oh...the hopes. Right.

  12. the beginning is the end is the beginning, and... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... you don't have a lot of pumpkins.

  13. As long as the director makes it a gay porn... by mujadaddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Check that, Jingoistic gay porn...

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    1. Re:As long as the director makes it a gay porn... by a_real_bast... · · Score: 1

      A faithful adaptation from the comic, you say?

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  14. 300 wasn't that bad... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    naaaah - scratch that - 300 sucked giant gobs of poo. I was thinking of Wall-E. Wall-E was cute. I don't know how I got that confused. Prediction: Watchmen will rock the noobs and tards but disappoint the steadfast.

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    1. Re:300 wasn't that bad... by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Troll

      Watchmen will rock the noobs and tards but disappoint the steadfast

      Which is why you should definitely post a link to your much better version, no question.

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    2. Re:300 wasn't that bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      in this case the steadfast are the noobs and tards.

  15. Loved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw the Trailer during the midnight showing of Batman, and though I've never read the comic, It looked amazing.

    1. Re:Loved it by oahazmatt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw the Trailer during the midnight showing of Batman, and though I've never read the comic, It looked amazing.

      Hey now. Read the comic, otherwise you may actually watch the movie without a sense of bitterness and outrage. :)

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    2. Re:Loved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and though I've never read the comic,

      Fucking heretic. Go buy it. Read it. NOW!

    3. Re:Loved it by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Hey now. Read the comic, otherwise you may actually watch the movie without a sense of bitterness and outrage. :)

      That's never been necessary in the past so I don't see how it would be now.

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  16. I'm sold by falloutgib · · Score: 0

    The trailer has pretty much assuaged all my fears -- and the movie is 2.5 hrs long, so I think most of the important plot will be in there. I don't even care about the "Pirate Comic". I also thought V for Vendetta and 300 were great, so to each their own. Wanted should have been aborted. I'm a lot more excited for this than I am the devastation that will be Fallout 3.

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  17. The Watchmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who watches them?

    1. Re:The Watchmen? by SoTerrified · · Score: 1

      You spelled it wrong. Here let me fix it for you... "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" Much better. ;)

  18. A March release date by Scareduck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    tells me they don't have a lot of faith in this movie. February and March are typically dumping grounds for films that got made but nobody has confidence in.

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    1. Re:A March release date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they simply couldn't pass up the chance for a 03.06.09 release date.

    2. Re:A March release date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that other movie Zach Snyder made was released in March and did over 70 mil it's opening weekend...

    3. Re:A March release date by Debased+Manc · · Score: 1

      Given some of the crap that gets felched out to the unsuspecting public that they do have confidence in, I'm not really ready to use the studios are arbiters of quality

      And really, the best outcome would be a brilliant flop - no chance of anyone pulling out a sequel from their backsides then

      Discovering 'Watchmen 2: Rorschach goes Yoda' in production would be about as pleasant as finding a video of the other half getting gangbanged by AIDS infested midgets on youporn.

    4. Re:A March release date by holden+caufield · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bingo. Although the "03/06/09" thing is probably a nice coincidence, I think this is a combination of Snyder's previous success with "300" and with Hollywood seeing that a movie like this doesn't need to - or possibly want to open in the summertime to open big.

      Because Memorial Day weekend is known as a time for Big Movie Releases, the schedule that weekend may be becoming too crowded, or the studios fear releasing that weekend raises expectations beyond what is reasonable.

      Regardless, not opening in the summer means you can see it three months sooner, so stop complaining!

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    5. Re:A March release date by maxume · · Score: 1

      You sir have given hope to many a legion who merely thought that their minds were in the gutter.

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    6. Re:A March release date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tell from the trailer it's a "meh" movie. Way overuse of crappy CGI and crappy other "modern"* special effects, costumes and sets that look low-budget even though they aren't, etc, etc... Not pure crap but not "good" either...

      * by "modern" I mean that it's newer technology that being misused and rather than enhancing the movie it detracts from it.

    7. Re:A March release date by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean it's bad, though. Thankfully good superhero movies are becoming commonplace. So they could either put it up against the summer blockbusters that are more kid-friendly and have more name appeal (X-Men, Superman, G.I. Joe IIRC). Or they could release it in March to a nearly empty lineup. All the geeks will go no matter when it's released, but this way they are almost guaranteed to bring in a bunch of people who would have more options in the summer. If it's good they could even have a huge success like 300.

    8. Re:A March release date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it will be out in June?

    9. Re:A March release date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably don't have faith because no one who isn't a comic fan has heard of it. It's going to need a lot of word of mouth and very little competition. I've read it and love it and want to see a hugely successful movie of it, but I realize it needs every leg up it can get.

  19. Re:the beginning is the end is the beginning, and. by negated · · Score: 0

    ...it's also used in "Batman & Robin", arguably the worst big budget superhero movie ever. Ironic, no?

    -S

  20. Will this be turned into a movie? by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 1

    They appear to be doing something similar to what they did with Iron Man. There were many skeptics but it turned out well.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/wildly_popular_iron_man_trailer

  21. Never read Watchman, looked like Matrix III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heard it was the greatest thing ever from other comic book fans.

    After seeing the trailer I can't only liken it to The Matrix 3. It felt like watching the end of the Matrix Trilogy.

    I don't get the story. From what others have told me, it was a bit more "realistic" than other comic book stories yet I'm seeing flying blue people and other World Destroyers.

    D~y

    1. Re:Never read Watchman, looked like Matrix III by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      From what others have told me, it was a bit more "realistic" than other comic book stories yet I'm seeing flying blue people and other World Destroyers.

      But remember, for many comic book fans that is realistic. : p

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    2. Re:Never read Watchman, looked like Matrix III by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Realistic" in the sense that it's closer to how the world would react to super heroes/villains and how those super heroes/villains would probably react to the real world. In the real world, we're not going to be ok with some masked vigilantes running around enforcing justice. And the world's problems aren't going to be solved by someone just because they can fly or are super strong.

      But there is no massively oversimplifying Eastern philosophy in the guise of a kung-fu movie so it's not really that similar to a Matrix sequel even if it might look that way to someone.

    3. Re:Never read Watchman, looked like Matrix III by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      When it was published, Watchmen was supposedly pretty different than what the major studios were putting out. There's stuff on Vertigo that blows it away in terms of gritty realism. Back then that stuff didn't exist, or at least wasn't published by the big guys.

      It's a character-driven story...summarizing the plot leaves you with a standard whodunit, though the ending is pretty unique. But Watchmen is all about the characters. Given how flat the Matrix characters were (does Keanu Reeves even have control of his facial muscles?), I am hoping that the Watchmen will be nothing like it.

  22. Read the comic! by ctid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is like nothing else out there and it's worth knowing the story before seeing the film. The comic's author is adamant that it's a different art-form and should be considered as a comic so it's worth seeing the comic first so that your first impression is of the story in its intended form. That said, I'm going to see the movie of course!

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    1. Re:Read the comic! by mblase · · Score: 1

      The comic's author is adamant that it's a different art-form and should be considered as a comic so it's worth seeing the comic first so that your first impression is of the story in its intended form.

      Yeah, but Alan Moore is also adamant that a typo on the back cover of his complimentary copies of "V for Vendetta" was a good reason for throwing them all in the trash. He's honestly a bit of a putz about all sorts of things relating to his creative works.

      Personally, ever since the first time I read the graphic novel, I couldn't help thinking about it as storyboards for a film. Moore can deny it all he wants, but Gibbons is apparently a very cinematographic illustrator.

    2. Re:Read the comic! by Kelbear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is an important aspect that I think is critical for successful adaptations. The writer/developer/director needs to understand and capitalize on the advantages of the medium, rather than simply regurgitate the material in the same form as it was received.

      The Watchmen did some interesting things by supporting the main comic format with letters, articles, and prose in order to flesh out the background of the world. In a book, brevity can be sacrificed for extensive levels of detail. In a movie, you've got the full focus of the audience onto the screen in order to present the director's imagining of the story. This can enable an inspired accounting of the material, but is a double-edged sword since he must take the reins of imagination from the audience and guide it in the most entertaining fashion possible in a 1.5-2.5 hour timespan. He's armed with both visual and auditory effects to bring the story to life...as long as he has the budget.

      There are particular advantages and disadvantages to each medium that really need to be taken into consideration to provide the most entertaining experience possible. The presenter must recognize what was used in the original medium and what must be done to successfully execute the material in the presenter's medium. If the best aspects of the comic fail to carry over to the movie he'd damn well better find another way to make it succeed or it's just a cheap knock-off that never needed to be made in the first place.

      In this particular case, the Watchmen is some pretty heavy material in a dense comic-book form. He's already been supplied with the storyboards, but he'll need to nail the right look and sound, while preserving the key aspects of the storyline. The storyboard should carry over fairly easily, but he won't have the supporting stories and reading material, which he may need to replace by squeezing in brief and/or subtle moments of insight in the course of the movie.

      Most importantly, the movie better not have a happy ending.

    3. Re:Read the comic! by cptnapalm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Somebody please mod this +5 Brilliant

    4. Re:Read the comic! by pohl · · Score: 1

      No doubt. That's one of the many mod options over at plastic.com that I wish were available here. (The others being: clever, succinct, scholarly, compelling, irrelevant, disingenuous, incoherent, and obnoxious.)

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    5. Re:Read the comic! by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Interesting
      > but he won't have the supporting stories and reading material

      I felt that this was a major flaw in Watchmen. Don't get me wrong, I'm grown up enough to read words without pictures, but the supporting stories were the least interesting part of the original graphic novel and really broke the flow of the main story. Losing these would give the movie adaptation something of a headstart.

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    6. Re:Read the comic! by Sans_A_Cause · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >but the supporting stories were the least interesting part of the original graphic novel and really broke the flow of the main story

      I think they were cleverly designed. For example, "Tales of the Black Freighter" was, in part, to give the person sitting in his living room reading a comic book a sense of what he would be sitting there reading if he lived in a world where superheroes were real.

    7. Re:Read the comic! by Bobo72a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have somewhat mixed feelings about the side stories. When I first read the comic I almost didn't want to read all of them because they seemed so long, boring, and irrelevant to the plot. As I continued however, they all seemed to make more and more sense and became relevant to the story.

      That being said, I'll be upset if they try to put them in the movie as they are in the book. In a movie that would be jarring and people with less patience than me will give up. The only way I can think of to make it work would be to put the history stories first, and cut out the pirate one altogether.

      People need to realize that the movie won't be a 100% adaptation of the comic book. As a poster said above me, film and graphic novels are two different mediums, and can't be perfectly translated. If the film tried to do exactly word for word what is in the comic book, it would be boring.

    8. Re:Read the comic! by SurturZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently "Tales of the Black Freighter" and "Under the Hood" will be released as Special Features on the DVD. Genius move, IMHO.

    9. Re:Read the comic! by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm afraid that you're right about needing to squeeze. Capturing the fighting style of Rorshach versus the police is going to be very difficult, although I really enjoyed the contrast between 'heroes' and Rorschach in the comic book. And capturing the relationship between the Silk Spectre and the Comedian is begging for movie plot difficulty.

    10. Re:Read the comic! by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      I'm disappointed at how much the trailer gave away Dr. Manhattan should be a big surprise. There was an impressive Dr. Manhattan "Splat!" moment, which I think is near the ending, so I think at least that bit is faithful.

    11. Re:Read the comic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why mustn't it? The book has a happy ending. The kid at the paper has his hand poised over Rorschach's journal. The truth will be published. If only in a rag.

  23. I smell a flop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just my 2 cents...

  24. Rorshach by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could anyone tell about Rorshach's mask? I always pictured it continually in (slow) motion, almost like a lava lamp... but it looks like the blots were unchanging. Maybe it just changes from scene to scene?

    1. Re:Rorshach by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      His mask changed. It was subtle. Watch the trailer again, and watch along his jaw line. You'll see it.

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    2. Re:Rorshach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you can see it slightly change on (your) right in the closeup when he's saying "No."

    3. Re:Rorshach by blueskatz · · Score: 1

      You probably need to go see the trailer again. There is a nice close-up of his face for a few seconds, and you can pretty clearly see the shapes moving.

  25. okay, WOW. that trailer looks good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read the comic in a couple of years, but that trailer looked VERY good.
    We will have to see whether the story holds up or not though.

  26. 300? You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Slow-Mo Spartan Storybook Time. I'm really looking forward to his interpretation of this critically-acclaimed graphic novel!

  27. Looks good by Debased+Manc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thought the trailer looked quite good - although given how iconic the bloody smiley is, I was surprised I didn't see it there, unless I missed it.

    Given the complexity and layers of the book, I don't expect it to be slavishly followed by the movie - in fact I hope it doesn't, and neither should any of the books fans as there's no way a movie could successfully manage that.

    I want a good Watchmen movie, one that has the themes and idea of the book, one that always has something new to discover in it and one that entertains.

    Simply copying the book would be even worse than van Sant's duplication of Psycho. I want the spirit to be kept true to, not the actual pages.

    1. Re:Looks good by BigFire · · Score: 1

      The smiley button is definitely there. Look at the Vietnam footage featuring a jovial Comedian flame torching some Viet Con. It's part of his post 60s custom.

    2. Re:Looks good by denzacar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I want the spirit to be kept true to, not the actual pages.

      Then you are among the few.

      Most fans would rather have movies based on books and comics copied page for page to the screen than making it according to the spirit.
      Or whatever spirit means to the director, producers, studio execs, toy makers and actors.

      Read the EW article - it should help you see how much of the book has been copied verbatim and how much of it was adapted while being "true to the spirit".

      Oh... and the smiley is there. Comedian is wearing it in the Vietnam. Minus the bloodstain of course.
      And it appears in the end - on the date of the movie. This one is with the bloodstain.

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    3. Re:Looks good by tesseractor · · Score: 1

      Simply copying the book would be even worse than van Sant's duplication of Psycho. I want the spirit to be kept true to, not the actual pages.

      That was exactly my problem with 300.

    4. Re:Looks good by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Informative
      from the linked article:

      Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different.

      Doesn't sound promising, does it?

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    5. Re:Looks good by denzacar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not necessarily. If done right.
      I know that it CAN be done right - Moore may be good but he is no god.

      Remember the first reactions to the news that the blond guy from that movie about gay cowboys and from that horrible movie about medieval knights from the 21st century - was going to play the Joker?
      After Nicholson's iconic performance?
      Come on! What the hell were they thinking?

      It can be done in a good way. Couple of them probably.
      Also, a thousand wrong ones too.
      But lets be optimistic for a change.

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    6. Re:Looks good by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      Well, I did think the big evil plot was a bit silly. Also it's been thematically copied by Heroes already.

    7. Re:Looks good by a_real_bast... · · Score: 1

      Considering Ledger could act (ever seen "10 Things I Hate About You"?), I always thought those howls were... well, "they mightn't be wrong, but he's worth the benefit of the doubt" was one of my reactions.

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    8. Re:Looks good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bloody Smily also shows up at the end of the trailer, as one of the dots separating the date info...

      I think the trailer looks good, but given how different V for Vendetta was from the book, I'm a little worried.

      *crosses his fingers in hope* Please, oh please, let 'em get it right...

    9. Re:Looks good by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Well, I did think the big evil plot was a bit silly.

      Yeah, I recall having a serious eyeroll moment when the Big Plot was revealed. It was a hell of a long way to go for an effect which could have been achieved at a fraction of the cost and effort any number of simpler ways. I liked that Dr Manhattan was the sole element of "weird science" in an otherwise mundane world. The Big Plot kinda spoiled that by being itself based on a number of convenient "weird sciences" (teleportation, psychic powers, extreme genetic engineering). Even though they were all explained as being partly inspired by Dr Manhattan's powers in the "monologue" at the end, I felt they "cheapened" the universe a little.

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  28. You went to the wrong movie by denzacar · · Score: 3, Funny

    That what you saw was Meet the Spartans.

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  29. Look closer... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Informative

    It IS changing.

    Try the HD one if you can't make it out.
    http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/watchmen/

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  30. Smashing Pumpkins by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

    "That song" is the Smashing Pumpkins - "The end is the beginning is the End". There are countless remixes of it... and yes, it was used for the Batman and Robin soundtrack!

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    1. Re:Smashing Pumpkins by Lbgrowl · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's actually "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning." The quieter one.

  31. The look is perfect by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    The question is... how much did they have to cut from the words?

    Clearly they are trying to do a faithful adaption. I 'll see twice even if it is horrible.

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  32. Only comic to have won the Hugo? by Xtifr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The comic won a Hugo award, and I believe it may be the only comic ever to have done so. At the least, it's one of a very elite few. In other words, definitely worth reading.

    1. Re:Only comic to have won the Hugo? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      The comic won a Hugo award, and I believe it may be the only comic ever to have done so. At the least, it's one of a very elite few. In other words, definitely worth reading.

      Yes, but the Hugo Awards are kind of watered down by all the categories they have. I mean, "Best Fan Artist?" "Best Semiprozine?" I will say the Hugo Award for Best Novel winners do tend to be very good, with only occasional missteps (like Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire).

  33. Come on... take it ONE step further... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    03.06.09....12?

    You know... As on the clock...

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  34. Watchmen "Motion Comic" on iTunes...and is free by UttBuggly · · Score: 1

    iTunes has a Watchmen "Motion Comic" episode up and it's a freebie.

    Now the bizarre thing is that the panels and text balloons are EXACTLY like the graphic novel, with some "motion" applied. It's not animated, per se, but it isn't static either. This is good, very good.

    The bizarre part is that the voices...ALL THE VOICES in Chapter 1, including females, are voiced by male "actors". And it's as bad as it sounds. In fact, the terrible voice acting almost ruins this.

    I decided that the opportunity to "read" the novel again...on my iPod no less...was worth the price of free.

    As for the trailer...I could quibble, but won't. So far, this looks better than I thought it would. If Snyder doesn't wimp out on the ending, this could be the third part of the "superhero movies go mainstream" trifecta, with Iron Man and The Dark Knight being the first two.

    We'll see......

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    1. Re:Watchmen "Motion Comic" on iTunes...and is free by great+throwdini · · Score: 1

      iTunes has a Watchmen "Motion Comic" episode up and it's a freebie.

      Link for the Lazy: Watchmen Motion Comics @ iTunes Store

  35. Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    When Ozymandis and Dr. Manhattan are talking at the end, Dr. Mahnattans says, "It is highly unlikily Rorshach will reach the mainland". Moments before, he obliterated him. In other words, he seemingly lied to Ozymandis. There is so much other stuff buried in that novel that I've wondered if that was another one I just haven't figured out yet.

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    1. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you are talking about a character who managed to put himself back together after being obliterated in that test chamber.

      He's assuming that there's a non-zero chance that Rorschach can duplicate this feat...but that is "highly unlikely".

    2. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RI always read Dr. Manhattan's last line to Ozymandis as being his admission that he knew Rorshach's testimony was 'in the wild', and hense its release was now subject to the whims of the highly-unpredictable whims of human characters for which he simply has no more caring.

    3. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by initialE · · Score: 1

      Dr Manhattan didn't lie, he simply lived through the speech before he lived through the point in which he met Rorschach. Remember this guy is trapped in a confusing cycle of past and future.

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    4. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by StressGuy · · Score: 1

      That's right....I knew that wasn't a plot hole

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    5. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By virtue of being dead, it's highly unlikely that he'll reach the mainland. Everything he said was perfectly true.

    6. Re:Another thing about that [SPOILERS] by nomadic · · Score: 1

      When Ozymandis and Dr. Manhattan are talking at the end, Dr. Mahnattans says, "It is highly unlikily Rorshach will reach the mainland". Moments before, he obliterated him. In other words, he seemingly lied to Ozymandis.

      I don't know, it seemed like a pretty accurate statement...

  36. Bombed during dark knight by assemblerex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The trailer came on an no one knew what the heck it was, and it was dead quiet when it ended. Basically all I got from the trailer was "Glowing blue guys".

    1. Re:Bombed during dark knight by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      In its defense, it was just a teaser trailer.

    2. Re:Bombed during dark knight by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Basically all I got from the trailer was "Glowing blue guys".

      I thought people like Blue Man Group?

    3. Re:Bombed during dark knight by nomadic · · Score: 1

      The trailer came on an no one knew what the heck it was, and it was dead quiet when it ended. Basically all I got from the trailer was "Glowing blue guys".

      It was dead quiet in our theater except for me whispering loudly to a geek friend 2 seats over "Is that Watchmen? That's Watchmen! Watchmen!"

  37. Trailer vs Original images comparison by markh1967 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a scene by scene comparison of the trailer and the relevant panels from the graphic novel here. It looks remarkably similar and I'm quite hopeful that this will be a credible conversion now.

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    1. Re:Trailer vs Original images comparison by glwtta · · Score: 1

      It looks remarkably similar and I'm quite hopeful that this will be a credible conversion now.

      Well, if there's one thing we learned from 300 it's that Snyder can make a movie scene look identical to a comic book panel, but is that quite enough to make it a good movie? (again, see 300 for the counterexample)

      Slavish transcription never seems to work well as a strategy to translate something to a different medium (and especially when you are starting out with something as limiting as comics).

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    2. Re:Trailer vs Original images comparison by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      Just curious, would you consider Sin City a slavish transcription or a translation?

  38. uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't that last week...

  39. Re:re Slashdot's Hunger For Comic Strip News by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

    c. s. Lewis

  40. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... the entire point of that scene is to send up the comic book trope.

    In particular: A major issue with comic heroes is the ends/means issue. Comic "heroes" regularly "fight crime" using methods that are forbidden for that purpose. Warrantless surveillance (such as Superman's hearing and vision), terroristic threats (such as Batman's whole schtick), etc.

    Ozy's plan just scales up the moral quandary to a global, survival of humanity, scale, and rubs the heroes' noses in it.

    Ozzy made his choice. But he isn't sure he made the right one. So he wants a sanity check from his peer group - and suitable punishment if they decide he did wrong: "... on the mercy of the court.". To keep them honest he puts them in the same position he was in. If they decide the other way they can punish him - and in the process undo what he did. If they decide the same way they're accessories after the fact. And if some decide each way the ones that side with him are left with murder of the others as the only way to maintain the achievement of the "good end".

    And thus are they enlightened - about him, about each other, and about themselves. Big shock.

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  41. Corrected song info by (startx) · · Score: 1

    The one used in the Watchmen trailer is "The Beginning is The End is The Beginning" from The Smashing Pumpkins on the Batman & Robin soundtrack.

  42. My Qualms by cptnapalm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They show Nite Owl doing a jump kick to some prisoners face. Nite Owl is supposed to be a pudgy, middle aged loser at this point in his life.

    The action looks to be from the highly stylized school of superhero movie violence, which might look dated after seeing Dark Knight.

    It looks like the coloring has been played with a lot, making it look more surreal. If anything, making it look like one of those 70s cop movies would fit the comic better.

    This is not a "No" vote or anything. I'm going to reserve judgment on whether or not to see it after the story trailers come out. This was just some of the stuff that occurred to me while I was watching the trailer.

    Of course, I could just be hyper-paranoid that they will make a crappy movie out of an outstanding comic book.

    1. Re:My Qualms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The comic, in the '80s, took its style cues from '60s and '70s comics. The film is taking them from '80s and '90s superhero movies, which makes a lot of sense if it's done right.

    2. Re:My Qualms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to say this is or isn't one, but the movie is likely to follow the comic in having flashbacks to the forming of the Watchmen, at the time of which he just so happened to be younger than he would be at a later point in time. Doubly so because they can't just give us textual files of the character's past.

    3. Re:My Qualms by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Not to say this is or isn't one, but the movie is likely to follow the comic in having flashbacks to the forming of the Watchmen, at the time of which he just so happened to be younger than he would be at a later point in time. Doubly so because they can't just give us textual files of the character's past.

      Granted, but if you remember the original material, you know that he wasn't the "young Night Owl" when he was breaking into the prison...
      I still think he could pull off a kick like that, even at a slightly pudgy 40-something.

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    4. Re:My Qualms by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      True. Remember the part of the book where Nite Owl and Silk Spectre (dresses in their civvies) open a can of whoop-ass on a gang of armed street punks. The man could still bring it.

    5. Re:My Qualms by nomadic · · Score: 1

      They show Nite Owl doing a jump kick to some prisoners face. Nite Owl is supposed to be a pudgy, middle aged loser at this point in his life.

      Who along with Silk Spectre took out a street gang, then several prisoners on his way through the prison. Whatever his problems he's portrayed as pretty formidable.

    6. Re:My Qualms by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      They show Nite Owl doing a jump kick to some prisoners face.

      I just re-watched the trailer. It's a pretty understated one-footed kick, and it's to the guy's chest, not his face. Even a Fat Nite Owl could manage that.

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  43. It's not a movie... by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    It's a live action graphic novel, gawd!

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  44. Tales of the Black Freighter by Sans_A_Cause · · Score: 1

    Won't be in the theatrical movie, but will be on the DVD once it's released: Tales of the Black Freighter.

    We could all wear this hat to the movie!

  45. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also SPOILERS:

    Ozzy made his choice. But he isn't sure he made the right one. So he wants a sanity check from his peer group - and suitable punishment if they decide he did wrong: "... on the mercy of the court.". To keep them honest he puts them in the same position he was in. If they decide the other way they can punish him - and in the process undo what he did. If they decide the same way they're accessories after the fact. And if some decide each way the ones that side with him are left with murder of the others as the only way to maintain the achievement of the "good end".

    Not just that. They can either undo what he did, or keep quiet and effectively be accomplices. They all are now in the same boat.

    Understandably, Rorschach realizes this and refuses to be complicit in Ozy's crime. He's a zero-tolerance type. Burn the world down if you must, but crime must be punished. That is why he refuses.

    It's also probably why he dares Dr. Manhattan to destroy him. He knows he has to go public and that will most likely be the end of the world. Better he should die than bring about Armageddon.

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  46. Also available i HD resolution here by Cannelloni · · Score: 3, Informative
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  47. Re:re Slashdot's Hunger For Comic Strip News by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shame, shame, shame on all of you. It is well past time to put away childish things and grow up.

    Graphic novels bear the same relation to novels as stage plays/movies/TV shows bear to live storytellers.

    If one form is inherently "childish" than so is the other.

    Time to grow up and "put away" plays, opera, and movie theaters. Throw out that TV and those DVDs. It's all kid stuff. You're an adult now - you should be getting your live entertainment solely sitting at a campfire with somebody who can spin a good yarn.

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  48. Content free? by ThousandStars · · Score: 1
    This trailer, as far as I can tell, says nothing about the plot, the action, or why it's different from the 30 other superhero movies that have come out over the last seven or eight years.

    Come on, can I get something other than cool FX shots and people striking poses?

    1. Re:Content free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, and I think that's a problem. It's an awesome trailer for fans, but it's going to leave anyone unfamiliar with the book confused. "Just another superhero movie" is exactly what it is not.

  49. There was a hint by wurp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although I certainly didn't put 2 & 2 together enough to realize this when reading, Ozymandias gives a hint of his attitude when he repeatedly compares himself to Alexander the Great.

    Alexander the Great wasn't called that because he was a great guy. He was called that because he ruled a vast piece of territory and brought prosperity to those he ruled. He achieved that rule by killing lots of people who hadn't done anything wrong other than oppose being ruled by him.

    1. Re:There was a hint by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Informative


      I think there's an even more poignant symbolism about Ozymandias which even he seems to have missed, which is his name itself. Whilst he may have chosen it to compare himself with the great "King of Kings" it is undercut tragically by the famous poem of the same name by Shelley:

      And on the pedestal these words appear --
      "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
      Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
      Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.'


      Ozymandias is the most tragic figure in the book, I think. Because he has risen higher than any of them and defines himself by his achievements, he has so much further to fall.

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      Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
    2. Re:There was a hint by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
      I figured that Ozymandias was based on Lex Luthor, and that Lex was named after Alexander the Great.

      "Luthor" = ~"Luxor". So it made sense for an alternative Lex Luthor character to be a history/empire obsessive with a fixation on Ancient Egypt.

    3. Re:There was a hint by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
      Yeah, Ozzie's justification of his own moral relativism is that "the ends justify the means".

      However, we know how badly plans based on THAT sort of argument tend to work out ... they end up with innocent people paying the cost for someone else's masterplan, which often doesn't come to pass anyway.

      And as Big Blue rather enigmatically points out, how do we really know how things end? The ethical barriers that stop us acting in certain ways are there partly for our own protection. If we force an artificial fixed point in history, a day or a year or a decade later, the forces that we've set up "blow back" and things end up even worse.

      Amoral masterplans for the Greater Good tend to have their own special dynamic. We wanted a proxy war with the USSR, so we whipped up Islamic fundamentalism and helped train up the organisation that became Al Queda. Oops. We wanted to fight Al Queda, so we helped set up Blackwater, which turned into an international mercenary army for hire. Ten years from now, the Evil Organisation threatening us may be Blackwater.

      Grandiose plans by people who set themselves outside normal ethical rules tend to set up tensions that explode later. You never //really// know how it all ends, or whether the nasty "means" were really justified, not unless you're around at the end of the human race to perform the final calculation. And if you ARE around at that point, things have probably gone horribly wrong.

      So yes, I think the "Ozymandias" name was supposed to be a deliberate reference to the futility of these sorts of master-plans and calculations.

    4. Re:There was a hint by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Yes - you've put it well. And this is part of the nobility of Rorschach. He never and will never accept that the ends justify the means. Even as the others are trapped by Ozymandias into his unwitting accomplices, even knowing that he will be killed in simply trying to oppose Ozymandias, he insists that crime must be punished.

      The delusion of ends justifying the means is the article of faith that there are ends.As John points out brilliantly: "nothing ever ends."

      I hope this film is good.

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      Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
    5. Re:There was a hint by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      You know, the whole 'look upon my works, ye mighty'...'nothing remains' thing becomes more poignant when you think that Dr. Manhattan pretty much tells Ozy to his face that his plan fails, in the end.

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  50. i actually appreciate that! by deft · · Score: 1

    I just need enough to be interested... the current trailers giving the plot, the story, the main action sequences, and the fricken ending are a bane.

    Just a little setup, teases of the special effects maybe, action, or just the main problem the lead needs to overcome are enough for me. I'd rather get the plot in the theater.

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  51. Re:re Slashdot's Hunger For Comic Strip News by PayPaI · · Score: 2, Funny

    but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    But I unpacked most of them when I got there

  52. Ok fan boys....breath....breath... by Danathar · · Score: 1

    I have some watchmen comics as well, but to expect that the movie will match the comic verbatim is unrealistic.

    Peter Jackson worked some SERIOUS magic to get LOTR on the screen as close as he did. Give this director a chance and don't mash him because the tights on your favorite character is a shade of blue different than your comic.

    1. Re:Ok fan boys....breath....breath... by nyet · · Score: 1

      If you'll recall, in the graphic novel, Dr. Manhattan was told he wasn't blue enough for TV.

    2. Re:Ok fan boys....breath....breath... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      A lot of people do seem to forget that Alan Moore is a writer of very wordy comic books (for me, that's part of his appeal) & to transpose them directly to the screen would make for very wordy movies as a result.

      V For Vendetta is my favourite comic book series & I thought the movie was fantastic also - yes, a different ending but so what? It worked for me...

      The Watchmen is my second favourite comic book although I've not read it in a few years and have forgotten most of it. But I certainly won't be reading it before the movie because I just want to sit there and be entertained for a couple of hours - if the movie works then it works, whether or not it's identical to the comic book or not.

      As for Lord Of The Rings, I've read the book twice and the movies were near-perfect - although they were all the better for the additionals sections that were in the DVD release over the cinema release.

      Yep, I'm a middle-aged fan boy of all three - but not rabid. All I care about is I hand over some money to someone and get some entertainment in return - and if it's got to be frigged about with to get the book to entertain me on screen then so be it.

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  53. Re:D.R. and Quinch by tekrat · · Score: 1

    D.R. and Quinch got made, but you wouldn't recognize it -- it's a film called O.C. and Stiggs, and takes place in Arizona or something. Made in the 80's I think and it's weird. Still, it's worth watching.

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  54. spoiler alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor Manhattan kills Rorschach!

    1. Re:spoiler alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Ozymandias] killed Blake and half Of New York.

  55. I hope it's better than the comics by afabbro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know, heresy. But I always thought Watchmen was vastly overrated.

    In its day, it may have been novel - though the groundbreakingness is overrated. But I think it's coasting on the teenage memories of a lot of people who haven't read it in 20 years.

    The writing isn't that great. The stories aren't that good. The characters are not that interesting. Everything is overdone - in fact, to me it reads like high school prose. Not much subtlety to anything and quite a bit of boring violence. I have nothing against violence, but for example the rape scene is reminiscent of what a young teenage writer would think about if he was trying to write a rape scene. That is one example of many.

    And God if there isn't a lot of really tedious exposition!

    It's not tripe. It's just not nearly as impressive as everyone thinks.

    Side note: I've noticed that the things people remember about the Watchmen are mostly the artwork - Rorschach, the Owl's craft, Doc Manhattan, etc. The art is much better than the writing...I will be nice and refrain from extending that analysis to the rest of Alan Moore's work ;-)

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    1. Re:I hope it's better than the comics by RevWaldo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I will be nice and refrain from extending that analysis to the rest of Alan Moore's work ;-)

      Well, we can a little. 8-) I just read book one of Tom Strong comics and I'm still trying to decide if it's supposed to be a homage, a parody, a straight-up action comic, or what. Either way I feel no great hurry to get book two.

      The argument Moore makes against movie versions of the comics he's worked on is that the comic is an end product onto itself, a collaboration between writer and artist that isn't "improved" by transliterating it to film. That fact that the reader can find the artwork in a comic more compelling than the writing demonstrates that.

      However it can be argued that when it comes to writing for comics you grade on a bit of a curve. Alan Moore may be greatest graphic novel writer of all time, but I'm about one-fifth of the way through Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon and, well, damn, you try to argue that Moore is a better writer than Stephenson.

    2. Re:I hope it's better than the comics by retchdog · · Score: 1

      How remarkable! We're talking about overrated works and you bring up Cryptonomicon? Whatever your intention, sir, nothing could be more apropos... Alan Moore, whatever his faults, is agonizingly sincere, and this is the core of insight. Neal Stephenson, although I enjoy his works, smacks of having learned to write by adaptation to a fitness function provided by a publisher and a cynical (but effective) model of his audience. Whatever ideas he has are smothered by an arrogant touch of "history" and heavy-handed metaphor.

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    3. Re:I hope it's better than the comics by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually i thought the oppposite - i found the artwork (while still very good) rather bland when compared to the storyline, specially when contrasted with some modern comics (this one i read recently, in particular, has stunning artwork).

      To each one its own, i guess. Watchmen broke with a lot of superhero comics conventions, presenting a rich storyline with (*gasp*) believable characters, and the long expositions added a lot to this. I admit that in some bits it got rather tedious; for example, i could've done with less of the "Tales of the Black Freighter". But overall, i loved the comic, and i just can't wait for this movie.

    4. Re:I hope it's better than the comics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no it isn't heresy...

      you are pretty well spot on.

      As a 16 year old it was 'impressive' when put against the fayre that was out at the time - but it hasn't 'aged' well at all. In fact I would say that of Alan Moore's creations it has aged the worst.

  56. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Understandably, Rorschach realizes this and refuses to be complicit in Ozy's crime. He's a zero-tolerance type. Burn the world down if you must, but crime must be punished. That is why he refuses.

    You know, it suddenly occurs to me that Rorschach is the closest thing in Watchmen to a classic comic-book character; four colour morality, only kind of in the opposite direction. Where Superman is always good and right, Rorschach is the mirror image of that; black and white, the negative side of utter uncompromise.

    And he dies for it. It's all a metaphor for the old style of comics being killed off for being utterly unable to adapt.

    Or something.

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  57. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by nomadic · · Score: 1

    They can either undo what he did, or keep quiet and effectively be accomplices. They all are now in the same boat.

    Well I don't think they really have a choice at that part; he did a series of horrible things, and got one good result. The only thing they can really undo is the good result. In their position I probably would have done the same thing.

  58. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Superman's hearing is not warrantless surveillance. You can't tell someone not to use their own freakin' senses. (the passive ones, that is)

    Now, if he used his heat vision to vaporize lead-lined undies, or his hypnokisses to manipulate memories, or his super weaving to unjustly imprison someone in a "wicker" basket made of rebar, that would be a pretty unethical use of his powers.

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  59. Re:re Slashdot's Hunger For Comic Strip News by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    you should be getting your live entertainment solely sitting at a campfire with somebody who can spin a good yarn.

    Have you ever done that, though? 'Cause that's actually pretty awesome. At least.. I thought so when I was younger...

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  60. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, it suddenly occurs to me that Rorschach is the closest thing in Watchmen to a classic comic-book character; four colour morality, only kind of in the opposite direction.

    Rorschach is a Psychopath, attempting to compensate by becoming rule-bound (and doing it poorly). Moore has the personality dead-on.

    (It's interesting that the inspirations for Rorschach were apparently Steve Ditko's "Mr. A" and "The Question" - attempts at Objectivist superheros. Objectivism is a philosophy that starts from pure selfishness and derives the nonaggression principle and motivation for other behavior traits that keep its adherents within the law and make them people who, while often not likable, can be gotten along with. As such it's accessible to psychopaths. Teaching Objectivism to career criminals, motivating them to adopt its behavioral ruleset as a compensation, may be the only consistently successful rehabilitation program that has ever been studied.)

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  61. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fail to see why anyone besides the niche fanboy community who read this comic book will show up to pay to see this. But oh well.

    I also love how this site gives you the option of posting as an "anonymous coward"--because requiring a working email is SO non-anonymous.

    Whatever, jackasses. Flame away.

  62. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Ozy is a genius and maneuvered things just that way.

    Now all those millions of deaths don't rest solely on his conscience alone. He has co-conspirators. It validates what he's done.

    He did have doubts. Recall his final conversation with Dr. Manhattan. The way things ended though he was spared those doubts.

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  63. Plot by Monsieur_F · · Score: 1

    I have read Watchmen sometime around September 2001, so having it talk about Afghanistan and destroying NYC was disturbingly on topic.

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  64. Dont drink the milk by Jules+IV · · Score: 0, Troll

    Watchmen needed to be a 12episode tv show, with insight, not a movie from Hollywood.Seeing those CGI effects in the trailer makes me bitter. I really understand Alan Moore's decision not to be part of the movie, and not supporting the script. This is outrageous. Come this novel is magic at work! Who else would have envisioned the US being involved in Afghanistan and Vietnam(Irak) in 1986? This book is the Bible of everyone of us who has ever felt different from the mainstream media, and official history. Its the alpha and the omega, it really defines the very best that can come out of human imagination and litteracy:borderless. Why giving it to the brainless guy who did the odeous fascist adaptation of the 300 comic? SABOTAGE! We will not tolerate this, ALAN MOORE IS A MAGICIAN, and we will not fall for the work of some pervert and ignorant director/producer. I just wish (and I know)this movie will not be a hit(by Hollywood standards), just like V 4 Vendetta or From Hell, because they lack the deepness and insight of the original author's scripts.

  65. Hello! by Evildonald · · Score: 1

    ...and welcome to last week.

  66. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    I don't know if Ror qualifies as a psychopath. For example, he's ready to kill his landlady for lying about them, until he sees the kids and, well, feels mercy.

    Or the way he toys with old man Moloch; in his own way, he's teasing the old guy. They're old, not exactly buddies, but, well, of an age.

    And again, shows mercy when he learns that Moloch is dying of cancer.

    Let alone showing concern for all of his friends when he thinks they might be targets of a serial killer.

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  67. I re-read it recently ... by ThirdPrize · · Score: 1

    and i have to say i was a bit disappointed. The overwhelming feeling I got was of 12 issues of Alan Moore screaming "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST!!!!". Very loudly. While Moores stuff was popular at the time (80s), it was because we all thought the same thing. Same for V for Vendetta. Take all that out and what have you got left? A hollywood superhero film about people who used to be superheroes. Thats more of a film like the Ang Lee Hulk one, not the X-Men ones.

    Still, could be good.

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  68. Re:the beginning is the end is the beginning, and. by skeeto · · Score: 1

    I don't think it was actually used in that horrible excuse for a movie. As far as I know, it only appeared on the soundtrack. It's sister song, which is really just a fast version of this one, The End is the Beginning is the End, might have been in the movie, though. About 10 years ago when I first heard The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (I was in middle school) I thought that song would be perfect for cinema. Took awhile to see it happen, but here it is!

    The trailer has caused the song to to top the charts on iTunes.

  69. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's more than that. Rorschach wandered outside in Antarctica and didn't come back. Dan knows he didn't take the owlship. One way or another, they're all complicit in Rorschach's death -- they didn't ask questions when he disappeared, and there's no sign that they even looked for him.

    They gave up being heroes, gave up any pretense of changing the world for the better, because they were overwhelmed and outclassed. Probably for the best, in their situation. ...but me, I would have been Rorschach.

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  70. Just finished the novel a month ago by wikdwarlock · · Score: 1

    and this seems wholly too exciting for a story that I didn't know existed 4 months ago. I'm reluctant to get my hopes up, but I will anyways. It's the fatal flaw of the geek.

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  71. Re:D.R. and Quinch by splatterboy · · Score: 1

    O.C. and Stiggs were characters from the old 1970s National Lampoon magazine... when it was still just an east coast college rag, long before they became known to the general public for the chevy chase fraud "vacation" movies. The original magazine characters were a riot - the movie was a travesty that was years past it's relevance. Nothing to do with DR and Quinch.

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  72. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by nomadic · · Score: 1

    orschach wandered outside in Antarctica and didn't come back. Dan knows he didn't take the owlship.

    How does he know?

  73. As a non-savvy viewer... by Krater76 · · Score: 1

    I know nothing of The Watchmen, so if I sound a bit harsh I'm completely reacting to the trailer and I am not necessarily talking about the content. I am also looking at this from a layperson's POV. That said, I saw the trailer in the theater with The Dark Knight. Feel free to flame away. Here goes...

    It looks too much like the 300-style over-the-top CG action sequences. Remember when one movie did the wire-fu karate stuff first and then the next thousand or so movies did the wire-fu? It got old and derivative fast. The Spirit is suffering from the same 'looks just like Sin City' problem.

    The problem is it looks less interesting than 300 did. Is it a superhero movie? It didn't tell me anything or interest me in any way. Aren't trailers supposed to make you want to watch a movie, get you excited about a movie? I didn't get any feeling of excitment, and when it said it wasn't coming out until 2009 I cared even less. And I'll be the first to say that a lot of the costumes/character designs looked like shit. The guy who looks like kinda-sorta like Batman? He looks more like Die Fledermaus from The Tick. The electricity guy looked way too CG, and is this just a Batman ripoff because I think I saw Scarecrow in there. Was the electricity guy killing asians and then lifting some glass thing out of the ground? WTF was that?

    On a side note - we need a live-action The Tick movie.

    I think my problem with all these comic book movies is that a lot of times there's a lot of assumptions made on the audience. I bet a large majority of people didn't know 300 was a graphic novel before it was a movie, and probably still don't know. To splash something like 'The Watchmen' up on screen and have the majority or people care seems a little presumptuous. That preview was made for the fan, not for the average audience member.

    So I quickly watched it again and it was alright. I'm still not sure about how an average audience person might take it.

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  74. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the fact that he was pushed over the edge by the murder of a child. Also, laffo at the lame Objectivism digs.

  75. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by nomadic · · Score: 1

    Rorschach is a Psychopath, attempting to compensate by becoming rule-bound (and doing it poorly). Moore has the personality dead-on.

    I don't think Rorschach is a pure psychopath, more someone with a combination of obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and Dissaciative identity disorder, with his personal issues compounded by closeted homosexuality. Awesome character, my favorite in Watchmen, though I wouldn't want to meet him in real life.

  76. Re:re Slashdot's Hunger For Comic Strip News by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    you should be getting your live entertainment solely sitting at a campfire with somebody who can spin a good yarn.

    Have you ever done that, though? 'Cause that's actually pretty awesome.

    Yep.

    But it's labor intensive and doesn't scale. B-(

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  77. The Big Reveal by ErkDemon · · Score: 1

    Not just sending up comic books: also the inevitable scene at the end of James Bond movies where the baddie outlines their plans, and Bond declares, "You'll never get away with this!", and then uses the information gained to thwart the plot. Watchmen has a more competent villain who appears to be falling for the same trick, but turns out to have thought things through in a rather crushing way, so as to have his cake and eat it. He gets to do the Big Reveal without jeopardising the Plan. (Actually, I thought that "Goldfinger" was a good movie because it does a different spin on the Big Reveal. Bond works out that the plan to steal Fort Knox's gold can't possibly work. Goldfinger has neglected the economic angle. The bad guy can't win! But Goldfinger hasn't just considered the economic complexities, his plan actually relies upon them. He's thinking on a different level of sophistication to Bond).

  78. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
    SPOILERS

    Yeah, Ozzie is desperate for absolution for his sins. He's been keeping this secret for years, and he needs the others to tell him that he did the right thing. So he puts them in an impossible situation, whereby they have to agree to be retrospective accomplices to mass murder and massive fraud, or bring down the whole house of cards and have it on their consciences that all those people have already died for a scheme that they've then been responsible for destroying.

    Rorschach, supposedly the most morally ambiguous character amongst them, is the only one who refuses to be blackmailed into going along with the plan. He's the only one who says, no, this is wrong, I'm not going to agree to be a part of this, I'm not going to be corrupted like that. Kill me if you have to, but I'm not going to make things easier for you by signing up and saying that it's all okay. If you kill me to save the plan you'll have to live with the knowledge that that's the level that you've had to sink to. It's your plan, you never asked anyone else's permission, and you're responsible for whatever happens as a result.

    And at that point we jump back to the first sentence on the first page of the book.

  79. Simplifying "The Plan" might be a good idea by ErkDemon · · Score: 1
    SERIOUS SPOILERS .... .... ....

    The ==exact== nature of the catastrophe isn't a necessary part of the plot, and if anything, I thought that that was perhaps the weak point of the original book. The original Masterplan was a little ornate and was stretching disbelief a little further than necessary. When you think of all the invented technologies required for The Plan as described in the book, when all you'd actually have needed to create the same effect would have been a little hydrogen bomb and some faked incriminating evidence ...

    If they've slimmed the components of that that original Plan down a little to cut down on exposition, I probably won't miss them.

    Post 9-11, we know how easy it //really// was to plunge the world into turmoil, and how easy it was for some people to exploit that to their own ends. Hell, just use a small asteroid and precede it with a garbled transmission saying "Die Earthling Scum!" and the Plan would be complete. You wouldn't need actual alien technology. Fear and paranoia would allow people to fill in the gaps for themselves. People who are scared and are fed a suggestive line don't need concrete evidence to believe in it.

    Hell, a significant chunk of the US population still believe that Iraq was somehow behind 9-11. If you're gonna do a Plan, keep it simple.

  80. Re:Mixed Feelings definitely (& more spoils) by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    At some point, Nite Owl's going to go pick it up. Besides, he probably has it wired to alert him if somebody tries to access it.

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  81. 3/6/9@12. Best launch date since Omen on 6/6/6 by afflatus_com · · Score: 1

    'Omen' remake had a blunt launch date of 6/6/6 (666 is the number of the beast/devil in some Christian doctorines).

    Consider the symbolism of 03-06-09, which are the compass points 3,6,9 of the clockface/watchface. It has a nice rhythm since the next in the sequence is 12 [the 'advance toward midnight' is a plot theme].

    Furthermore, anticipated fanboy blockbusters like this are sure to have advance midnight screenings on their launch date to promote buzz (with inflated opening day box numbers) and have a run at opening box office records for March month.

    So having the opening of 03-06-09 at 12AM is perfect since get all four clock compass points and hits the midnight theme of the movie plot.

    Those familiar with the attention to recurrent puns/themes/symbolism small details in the book.

    A 3/6/9@12 launch? Couldn't think of a better way to start.

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  82. The Beginning is the End is the Beginning lyrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that the Smashing Pumpkins song used in the Watchmen trailer was not created specifically for Watchmen, but it seems to me like it very easily could have been. Back when it was on the Batman and Robin soundtrack I never really listened to the lyrics, but looking at them now I find them chillingly appropriate to Watchmen. I think the song's selection may actually have been intentional and well thought out (which, if that is true, bodes well for the movie.)

    There are some spoilers in my analysis of the lyrics, I would suggest the following only for those who have read the comics.

    "Send a heartbeat to/The void that cries thru you"
    Really fits the forlorn and romantic moments of the Dan Drieberg/Laurie Juspeczyk subplot.

    "Relive the pictures that have come to pass"
    The flashbacks that make up so much of the story, and the comics medium in general (which is, after all, "pictures that have come to pass" as you read through them).

    "For now we stand alone/The world is lost and blown"
    Rorschach, the determined loner with a pessimistic view of the current state of the world.

    "And we are flesh and blood disintegrate"
    The beginning of Jon Osterman's transformation into Dr. Manhattan.

    "With no more to hate"
    The villains of old are, like the heroes, retired. Hollis Mason describes one of his former adversaries as "a nice guy."

    "Is it bright where you are/Have the people changed?"
    Ozymandias' hope that his actions will have had a positive effect on the future.

    "Does it make you happy you're so strange?"
    The first part makes me think of the Comedian's dark and ironic attitude, and the cast of heroes is indeed strange. Aside from Dr. Manhattan, they have all become what they are by choice, and must now live with the consequences.

    "And in your darket hour/I hold secrets flame"
    Darkest hour = when the doomsday clock reaches midnight; Secrets flame = Veidt's conspiracy, and the climax he is working toward

    "We can watch the world devoured in its pain"
    Watching the world; who watches the watchmen? Rorschach's journal entry, "The world will look up and shout 'save us', and I'll whisper, 'no'." Each of the characters have their own response to the seemingly inevitable nightmare of nuclear destruction.

    "Delivered from the blast/The last of a line of lasts"
    Ozymandias, again.

    "The pale princess of a palace cracked"
    Dr. Manhattan creates the flying palace on Mars for Laurie.

    "And now the kingdom comes/Crashing down undone"
    The phrase "kingdom come" is frequently associated with nuclear armageddon, hence Veidt's plan to bring it crashing down and have it undone.

    "And I am master of a nothing place/Of recoil and grace"
    Dr. Manhattan, for the majority of the story, prefers the company of subatomic particles and cold space to that of humans. Also, the emptiness surrounding Ozymandias' arctic retreat.

    "Time has stopped before us"
    Dr. Manhattan has stopped seeing time as a normal human for part of the story. Also, the doomsday clock has been stopped.

    "The sky cannot ignore us"
    The media coverage of the owl ship's rescue at the burning building maybe?

    "No one can separate us/For we are all that is left"
    Dan Drieberg and Laurie Juspeczyk at the end of the story. They are the only ones remaining of the cast of heroes, and the only ones remaining who know what really happened in New York.

    "The echo bounces off me/The shadow lies beside me"
    Veidt has escaped the condemnation of history, but must forever live with the knowledge of his actions.

    "There's no more need to protect/Cause now I can begin again"
    At the stories end, the threat of nuclear war has been averted, and Dan and Laurie begin new lives.

    Finally, the title of the song, "The Beginining is the End is the Beginning" calls to mind Dr. Manhattan's final admonition to Ozymandias, "Nothing ever ends."