So, please explain to me, if they are so willing to fight SPAM, why do they provide filtering for free sign-up yahoo.com accounts and not for paying customers. What infuriates me most, is that they still keep forwarding those "MS Security Update" virusses.
And I don't buy into that "victim" part. Spammers also have ISPs, and don't tell me that they don't notice when a spammer is uploading a million email messages in a few hours. It's just business for them...
My ISP was a while back taken over by Yahoo, so my email now resides on 'website.yahoo.com'. And for that I pay them a decent 15 bucks a month. However, for my money I enjoy the pleasure:-) to receive 10 times more SPAM than regular email. Including multiple 141 kB "Microsoft Security Update" viruses per day.
When I asked Yahoo why they didn't do any SPAM filtering and even not deleted those very well known virusses, their reply was that I should upgrade to one of their small business offerings, which provide SPAM filtering as a service. Yeah, great!! One of my registrars (domaindirect.com), for which I pay $30 or so per year (!), throws in some email boxes for free and those even include some pretty decent SPAM filtering.
Which makes it very clear to me that Yahoo and other big ISPs, for whatever reason, just love the existence of SPAM. Probably they still make money by filling up all our email inboxes with garbage. So, let's not start with Yahoo as the big saviour of the world in the fight against SPAM.:-(
I use it everyday, though I question the usefulness of the PDF feature.
Don't know your environment, but as a consultant using Linux and StarOffice, sometimes I come across customers that use Windows and MS-Office:-). In which case you can either save your doc as an "MS dot-doc", but better is to send customers a pdf file. It prevents lots of "font not found", "disappearing images" and related problems.
Mmmm, wouldn't like to work for an investment company:-). And I was not so much thinking about that amount of cash in the bank, but more about how that cash appears to keep growing. There seems to be a disparity between "real money" and "P&L money" nowadays. But as said, IANAB...
IANAB (B for Bookkeeper), but currently Sun has roughly US$ 1B more in the bank than IBM. Don't know about IBM, but Sun's cash position is still rising quarter after quarter. So it all depends on how you measure. Like with CPU speeds:-)....
My email is hosted by Yahoo as well, mmmm, I must say unfortunately, but they bought a few years back the little start-up that provided me good service.
Anyway, a few weeks ago, they announced that email inboxes would be capped to 10 MB. Which is in general OK, but I complained to them, that such an inbox would fill up quickly with # messages of 142 KB per day. So, 10 MB max would be fine, as long as they would start to do some server based SPAM filtering. Even my freeby (tucows.com) email server is doing that already!!
Their reply was awful: if I needed some filtering of SPAM or even simple virus attacks, I could for $$$ upgrade to their business (or whatever) package. Yeah, so I have to pay more for them not doing their service properly....
Well, assuming that you also don't care what the costs to MS are, the public schools are best off when people make their claims and then donate the money to the schools. As I read it, in that case the schools would get much more hard cash and not just some more boxes of Office 2003 that forces them to buy more copies of XP:). But if people really are willing to donate that money......
You're completely right. I just wanted to make a point against modern US warfare euphemisms for "precision bombings" which just kill more people than ever before. As long as those are not US soldiers, nobody cares about the accuracy of the terms used.
... people (over 20,000 on a population of 16.5 million) were killed in the last war in Iraq. The article calls that "as the conflict in Iraq unfolded this spring, the world watched in amazement at the accuracy of the latest generation of precision-guided missiles".
I did some research, and even WW-II carpet bombing had less "collateral damage". Example: when Germany conquered Holland in May 1940 (roughly same population size as Iraq today), which included the bombing of Rotterdam, there were "only" 2200 military and 2559 civilian caualties.
Now that SCO is going into the 'Linux License' business, may I presume they made a big show and had a large stand at Linux World this week?:-)
Biggest mistake of the week: NOT inviting them as a keynote speaker. With this summer heat, there must be cases, cases and cases full of tomatoes waiting for a better use than eating or rotting.
On a different note:
Still wondering why Americans are still searching those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It's getting time for UN inspections in US lawyer's offices, jury rooms and court houses. What happens there is real mass destruction. And unfortunately, you are by now exporting these filthy habits. It is all so disruptive, and you all (from CNN to/.) enjoy it so much. The huge/. crowd replying to this topic, is IMHO not just because of concern for Linux freedom. It is the same as CNN loving terrorism and war. It's sick!!!
... religion really doesn't have a place in this discussion....
Since when is _any_ topic on Slashdot not have a place in _any_ discussion. This was humurous. And we lack already a lot of that in this world. If it would have been insulting to the mormon people, then I would have agreed completely. Ehhh, in that case I would have said that the statement was tasteless or offensive, but if you say that something has no place in a/. discussion, than you don't allow discussions to widen and widen and widen. And that's the sole purpose of the/. discussions. If I want news and facts I go somewhere else.
Why would Novell (primarily a networking company) want either of them?
Ehhhh, then you're talking about 10 years back. Don't ask me what Novell is today (probably a directory company), but it's definitely not a "networking company".
Don't get me wrong, I like it as a company, but they are IMHO still searching for their direction after loosing the network game. And maybe that search now includes Linux desktops.... If this acquisition could give them some focus, that would be great.
But on the other hand, directories being a server-side business and desktops being..... well, not server-side:-), I'm not so sure about the synergy in this case. So you and I definitely agree on that part. We'll see.
Why do people (well, mostly Americans) never write Motorolla, but too often write Phillips where it should be Philips. Or do people really think that an oil company is suddenly going into wireless electronics. Mmmm, with McDonalds going into the WiFi ISP business, you never know. And maybe those French fries are coming out of a pan of Phillips 66.:-).
So Debian should be more of a VHS than a Betamax if it wants to stand a chance...
[off-topic] Yeah, I worked for Philips with their technically also superior V2000 system. The story goes that that never made it, because the "family owned" company didn't "encourage" the release of V2000 P0RN movies:-).
[on-topic] I'm myself pretty happy with using RH in the office and Debian for hacking around at home. Good article, but Joe Doe will never know about apt, because they don't know already about rpm. Stuff like Walmart/Lindows is the answer there. But let's not forget: Commodore 64 is a thing of the past, but Apple is still around, so "the masses" don't always win.
[???-topic] So maybe Debian P0RN is the answer to the improved "usability and visibility" in the article:-) The new future for APT-Get-Unstable....
I believe the code they are referencing has been part of their Unix OS since long before Linux was started.
In case you're right, which you could well be, the next question is "who copied it from Unix to Linux"... Maybe not IBM, why would they:-). Could it have been Caldera in the time they were trying to create their "Unified Unix" or whatever it was called? Read Cringely's column of this week about the topic!! Refreshing.....
In other words, it's one thing to show that wrong was done, it's another to prove who did that wrong.....
AC wrote: "I work for one of the "Top 5" that builds Tablet PCs... our management doesn't see the value in Linux... we get HUGE $$$$$ from Microsoft"
So that demonstrates why it's good that Linux on Tablet PC's is tried and proven to be working. Not so much that it works, but way more that this guy needs to post this anonymously. If I would have been in his position (I'm a corporate worker as well) I would have done the same thing, but it's a shame that someone has to go underground to admit that his boss doesn't allow Linux, because Redmond pays too much.
Look at the First Post. I thought we all already agreed that IBM should be at the top of that list. At least I think so after my IBM 80GB disk died after 9 months. So that doesn't make 4, it's definitely 5 manufacturers.....
you can't buy those more rugged 10/20 GB drives any more
After spending last weekend trying to salvage stuff from my 9 month old 80GB IBM drive that went into coma, I can only 800% agree with you.... But if you (and I) think that ruggedness is more important than performance or "buck per giga", maybe we better look at SCSI drives. I've couple of those Fujitsu 4GB drives around that could function as a boat anchor. Real engineering stuff.
On the other hand, I'm very afraid some/.-ers will quickly point out that today's SCSI drives are as much crap as the IDE ones:-(. But it's an avenue worth exploring....
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And that is exactly my idea on how spamming could be stopped. Forget about government regulations, that never works. Cash counts.....
So, my system would be that I would pay my ISP 1 cent for every email I send. Could be 2, 5 or a half of course. I can easily afford that extra buck per week and the ISP could even lower my monthly rate (not that I count on that:-). Anyway, based on what I pay, the ISP will add an encrypted header to my email and send that along. On the receiving end, you just set a filter indicating how much must have been paid before you want to read the email: "I only want emails having costed more than 2 cents" or something similar.
Even with only a single cent per email, I can afford that easily. I don't think Mr Scelson can afford 18 million cents per day. And the LL Bean's of this world will still be able to send their marketing stuff. It will only cost them some money. Which they won't mind probably.
Sure, some issues need to be sorted out, like the encrypted key that probably should contain a hash of the message, etc. etc. But this could work.
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So, please explain to me, if they are so willing to fight SPAM, why do they provide filtering for free sign-up yahoo.com accounts and not for paying customers. What infuriates me most, is that they still keep forwarding those "MS Security Update" virusses.
And I don't buy into that "victim" part. Spammers also have ISPs, and don't tell me that they don't notice when a spammer is uploading a million email messages in a few hours. It's just business for them...
My ISP was a while back taken over by Yahoo, so my email now resides on 'website.yahoo.com'. And for that I pay them a decent 15 bucks a month. However, for my money I enjoy the pleasure :-) to receive 10 times more SPAM than regular email. Including multiple 141 kB "Microsoft Security Update" viruses per day.
:-(
When I asked Yahoo why they didn't do any SPAM filtering and even not deleted those very well known virusses, their reply was that I should upgrade to one of their small business offerings, which provide SPAM filtering as a service. Yeah, great!! One of my registrars (domaindirect.com), for which I pay $30 or so per year (!), throws in some email boxes for free and those even include some pretty decent SPAM filtering.
Which makes it very clear to me that Yahoo and other big ISPs, for whatever reason, just love the existence of SPAM. Probably they still make money by filling up all our email inboxes with garbage. So, let's not start with Yahoo as the big saviour of the world in the fight against SPAM.
I use it everyday, though I question the usefulness of the PDF feature.
:-). In which case you can either save your doc as an "MS dot-doc", but better is to send customers a pdf file. It prevents lots of "font not found", "disappearing images" and related problems.
Don't know your environment, but as a consultant using Linux and StarOffice, sometimes I come across customers that use Windows and MS-Office
Ah, referring back to that earlier between-the-legs guy, a nice example of "Mine is Smaller" :-)
/sbin/eject /dev/hda .... wonder even myself what the result will be on an "eject hard(disk)" :-)
Mmmm, wouldn't like to work for an investment company :-). And I was not so much thinking about that amount of cash in the bank, but more about how that cash appears to keep growing. There seems to be a disparity between "real money" and "P&L money" nowadays. But as said, IANAB...
... and that is now paying off for IBM ...
:-)....
IANAB (B for Bookkeeper), but currently Sun has roughly US$ 1B more in the bank than IBM. Don't know about IBM, but Sun's cash position is still rising quarter after quarter. So it all depends on how you measure. Like with CPU speeds
My email is hosted by Yahoo as well, mmmm, I must say unfortunately, but they bought a few years back the little start-up that provided me good service.
Anyway, a few weeks ago, they announced that email inboxes would be capped to 10 MB. Which is in general OK, but I complained to them, that such an inbox would fill up quickly with # messages of 142 KB per day. So, 10 MB max would be fine, as long as they would start to do some server based SPAM filtering. Even my freeby (tucows.com) email server is doing that already!!
Their reply was awful: if I needed some filtering of SPAM or even simple virus attacks, I could for $$$ upgrade to their business (or whatever) package. Yeah, so I have to pay more for them not doing their service properly....
Well, assuming that you also don't care what the costs to MS are, the public schools are best off when people make their claims and then donate the money to the schools. As I read it, in that case the schools would get much more hard cash and not just some more boxes of Office 2003 that forces them to buy more copies of XP :). But if people really are willing to donate that money......
You're completely right. I just wanted to make a point against modern US warfare euphemisms for "precision bombings" which just kill more people than ever before. As long as those are not US soldiers, nobody cares about the accuracy of the terms used.
... people (over 20,000 on a population of 16.5 million) were killed in the last war in Iraq. The article calls that "as the conflict in Iraq unfolded this spring, the world watched in amazement at the accuracy of the latest generation of precision-guided missiles".
I did some research, and even WW-II carpet bombing had less "collateral damage". Example: when Germany conquered Holland in May 1940 (roughly same population size as Iraq today), which included the bombing of Rotterdam, there were "only" 2200 military and 2559 civilian caualties.
Give me a break.....
ohhh, maar dat staat al sinds 1995 voor world-wide-willem.... Niks na een borrel praten met "dubbele tong" :-)
Now that SCO is going into the 'Linux License' business, may I presume they made a big show and had a large stand at Linux World this week? :-)
/.) enjoy it so much. The huge /. crowd replying to this topic, is IMHO not just because of concern for Linux freedom. It is the same as CNN loving terrorism and war. It's sick!!!
Biggest mistake of the week: NOT inviting them as a keynote speaker. With this summer heat, there must be cases, cases and cases full of tomatoes waiting for a better use than eating or rotting.
On a different note:
Still wondering why Americans are still searching those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It's getting time for UN inspections in US lawyer's offices, jury rooms and court houses. What happens there is real mass destruction. And unfortunately, you are by now exporting these filthy habits. It is all so disruptive, and you all (from CNN to
... religion really doesn't have a place in this discussion....
/. discussion, than you don't allow discussions to widen and widen and widen. And that's the sole purpose of the /. discussions. If I want news and facts I go somewhere else.
Since when is _any_ topic on Slashdot not have a place in _any_ discussion. This was humurous. And we lack already a lot of that in this world. If it would have been insulting to the mormon people, then I would have agreed completely. Ehhh, in that case I would have said that the statement was tasteless or offensive, but if you say that something has no place in a
Give me a break.....
Why would Novell (primarily a networking company) want either of them?
..... well, not server-side :-), I'm not so sure about the synergy in this case. So you and I definitely agree on that part. We'll see.
Ehhhh, then you're talking about 10 years back. Don't ask me what Novell is today (probably a directory company), but it's definitely not a "networking company".
Don't get me wrong, I like it as a company, but they are IMHO still searching for their direction after loosing the network game. And maybe that search now includes Linux desktops.... If this acquisition could give them some focus, that would be great.
But on the other hand, directories being a server-side business and desktops being
Why do people (well, mostly Americans) never write Motorolla, but too often write Phillips where it should be Philips. Or do people really think that an oil company is suddenly going into wireless electronics. Mmmm, with McDonalds going into the WiFi ISP business, you never know. And maybe those French fries are coming out of a pan of Phillips 66. :-).
So Debian should be more of a VHS than a Betamax if it wants to stand a chance...
[off-topic]
Yeah, I worked for Philips with their technically also superior V2000 system. The story goes that that never made it, because the "family owned" company didn't "encourage" the release of V2000 P0RN movies
[on-topic]
I'm myself pretty happy with using RH in the office and Debian for hacking around at home. Good article, but Joe Doe will never know about apt, because they don't know already about rpm. Stuff like Walmart/Lindows is the answer there. But let's not forget: Commodore 64 is a thing of the past, but Apple is still around, so "the masses" don't always win.
[???-topic]
So maybe Debian P0RN is the answer to the improved "usability and visibility" in the article
Mmmm, an intelligent piece of drywall would probably be more usefull in the typical american lumber and cardboard construction :-).
I believe the code they are referencing has been part of their Unix OS since long before Linux was started.
:-). Could it have been Caldera in the time they were trying to create their "Unified Unix" or whatever it was called? Read Cringely's column of this week about the topic!! Refreshing.....
.....
In case you're right, which you could well be, the next question is "who copied it from Unix to Linux"... Maybe not IBM, why would they
In other words, it's one thing to show that wrong was done, it's another to prove who did that wrong
AC wrote: "I work for one of the "Top 5" that builds Tablet PCs ... our management doesn't see the value in Linux ... we get HUGE $$$$$ from Microsoft"
So that demonstrates why it's good that Linux on Tablet PC's is tried and proven to be working. Not so much that it works, but way more that this guy needs to post this anonymously. If I would have been in his position (I'm a corporate worker as well) I would have done the same thing, but it's a shame that someone has to go underground to admit that his boss doesn't allow Linux, because Redmond pays too much.
Thanks for posting this, AC!!!
Make that 4 hard drive manufacturers.
Look at the First Post. I thought we all already agreed that IBM should be at the top of that list. At least I think so after my IBM 80GB disk died after 9 months. So that doesn't make 4, it's definitely 5 manufacturers.....
you can't buy those more rugged 10/20 GB drives any more
/.-ers will quickly point out that today's SCSI drives are as much crap as the IDE ones :-(. But it's an avenue worth exploring....
After spending last weekend trying to salvage stuff from my 9 month old 80GB IBM drive that went into coma, I can only 800% agree with you.... But if you (and I) think that ruggedness is more important than performance or "buck per giga", maybe we better look at SCSI drives. I've couple of those Fujitsu 4GB drives around that could function as a boat anchor. Real engineering stuff.
On the other hand, I'm very afraid some
And that is exactly my idea on how spamming could be stopped. Forget about government regulations, that never works. Cash counts .....
:-). Anyway, based on what I pay, the ISP will add an encrypted header to my email and send that along. On the receiving end, you just set a filter indicating how much must have been paid before you want to read the email: "I only want emails having costed more than 2 cents" or something similar.
So, my system would be that I would pay my ISP 1 cent for every email I send. Could be 2, 5 or a half of course. I can easily afford that extra buck per week and the ISP could even lower my monthly rate (not that I count on that
Even with only a single cent per email, I can afford that easily. I don't think Mr Scelson can afford 18 million cents per day. And the LL Bean's of this world will still be able to send their marketing stuff. It will only cost them some money. Which they won't mind probably.
Sure, some issues need to be sorted out, like the encrypted key that probably should contain a hash of the message, etc. etc. But this could work.
I thought this book was a great tool for coming up to speed ... fine, but what do you think now, after using it??