Most common thing for posters on this topic is that they seemingly have absolutelly no idea what ITU is, since noone even commented on ITU itself. But there are lots of political speeches.
Do you people even know what ITU is? What TIES is?
It's big, it's slow, but they got quite few things right.
I wonder if CERN offered to do something, would people also start writing political speeches? (since most wouldn't probably bother checking what it is before posting comments...)
All this aside, what really worries me is the fact that "presentation" like this made it to RSA conference. C'mon, RSA conferences used to be "the thing", where you wouldn't have 2 anonymous guys (it's not like they're known for their research, or their skills, or anything) bleating about "Which one is safer?" topics.
Now, we have mediocre 'presentation', we also have information that it was sponsored by Microsoft.
I wonder who pushed for such silly and meaningless presentation to show up at RSA conference, hmmm...
I mean, that's really the point of posting this. If GPL authors can go after GPL violaters, copyright owners can go after infringers.
If true, this is kind of an 'entrapment'. Obviuosly, people trading warez are still 'pirates', but APB can't be called with nice names either. They were breaking the law.
As a sidenote... If APB is not a government agency, I guess this 'infiltrator' could also be sued, since he can't get 'immunity' from non-official sources (corporations/companies). Well, he shouldn't be able to, but when I look at how corporations control the world...
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k3b works fine under WindowMaker for me, I use WM under VNC when I'm not running directly on my system. Not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Maybe because I don't have KDE/QT installed? Right. It's not big anyway, so why shouldn't I install it to have k3b running...
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Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ distributing k3b, cdrecord, cdrdao and all. Those are free as in beer and speech, already work just fine with almost any burner, and they're already there (as opposed to Nero having to roll their own).
Isn't Linux about everyone using what suits them, and everyone having a choice? Did Nero have a choice? Yeps. They made Nero for Linux.
I've been using Linux for ages, and I mostly use console + WindowMaker. Guess what - k3b won't work on WM. GnomeWhatever? Same story. And so on, and so on.
Anyway, kudos to Nero.
I used to pay $20 (or was it $25?) for OSS Yamaha sound-card driver, years ago. I didn't mind doing it. If NeroLINUX works well, I won't mind paying for it either. If Total Commander shows up for Linux tomorrow, they'll be getting my money.
I don't use Linux because I want everything for free (although it would be nice). If you use Linux because of that, then skip commenting on this article, since it's obviuosly not intented for you.
Why are people here up in arms when GPL code is stolen, but not when copyrighted music or movies are illegally downloaded or swapped?
I don't like piracy.
The kind where someone earns money by selling pirated software/movies/MP3s/etc, or by MAKING MONEY (by using such software, for example) with it. But I don't consider "piracy" when someone downloads MP3 from the net, and listens it on his computer. Yes, it might or might not be right, but it's not piracy for me. It seems piracy could be if my neighbour plays loud music, and I listen to the same album 10 times in a day. Gray areas.
I also don't mind someone taking my GPL project, modifying it as much as he/she wants, and using it in his home/company. But I really mind someone taking my project, and trying to MAKE MONEY out of it.
The whole "study" is silly. There is no such things as "more secure", unless you take into account WHO managed those machines. What's the point of having super-secure Linux server if admin leave '1234' as password? Security is not only technology (actually, technology is only small part of it) - it is much more. It is sociology (or whatever you call it in English).
I've been doing pentests for the past 13 years, and in many (and I mean it) cases I didn't need latest exploit (or any exploit at all) in order to gain access to resources.
You know, when you do proper information gathering and try to "think like an admin", miracles happen...
Now, if the oil markets were to move over to the Euro (which Russia, for example, threatened to do a while ago to their oil production in order to get some concessions from the US)...well, the shit in the US would *really* hit the fan.
Q: Which country moved to Euro first, in regards to oil transactions? A: Yep, you're thinking right. That one. (Iraq, for those who still didn't get it).
Russia does use EUR for oil transaction, although not exlusively. Venezuela does as well (and it closely follows China's interests), but also not exlusively.
Don't know for others. But it's not an "if" anymore - it's "when".
Speeding (and many other things) can cause accidents and deaths. And you get a ticket. Sharing files doesn't kill anyone, nor threatens safety of anyone - and yet he gets "up to 15 years".
This, simply, doesn't make sense. Fine, he was cocky, and he should be punished, but even MENTIONING 15 years is absolutelly insane.
Well, most of the planet is insane by now, I guess...
I am way too late for this story, and haven't read the patent yet, but anyone who knows X.25 and SWIFT (just an example) will laugh on this news.
SWIFT moves billions (of not trillions) of dollars every year, for many years. And it is "international", and it is "transactions", and it is "computers".
I don't see why/how this should be humiliating. History has shown (many times) that not even the best of us (in whatever area of life) are to be trusted 100% all the time. People fail, systems fail, democracies fail. For one, I don't mind having election monitoring in my country, since that reassures me there was no trouble and no tricks were pulled. Americans should feel the same. Americans are humans too, and humans all make mistakes (internally or otherwise). Or, would they feel safer if FoxNews or some US govt funded organization was 'monitoring'?
How exactly is it helpful to release a free version that most people can't use in real world applications? The answer is, it isn't.
It seems like everyone here works at (or runs) huge company which works with terrabytes of data. I think it's crap, and reality is that small shop (4 people company, for example, as in my case) can have all their sales/product/tracking/etc. data in less than 100MB (MySQL). At least I do.
I used Sybase (for some ebussines stuff) some 4 years ago, and I quite liked it, but never needed it for myself (expensive:). However, 1 CPU, 5 Gig database is WAY more than I need for my application and data storage. If my shop grows so much that it needs more than 5GB of db storage, I guess I'll have enough money to actually buy full featured version.
Small businesses are the target for this offer, not uber-geeks who have way too much time on their hands, and want source for everything (although they'll, most likely, never look at it).
You should go watch the movie, or at least the part where it showed Bush sitting around looking like a monkey for 7 minutes. He is not actually reading the book with the children, he is glancing at it and looking around nervously for 7 minutes trying to decide what to do.
Ah, right. My guess is that Russians/Chinese will give their support to Bush, for elections.
This way, they know they'll have advantage of at least 7 minutes when nukes are launched;)
Now if Moore just included "Yes I did" statement while leaving out the rest, would it still be considered the truth?
Argh. I spent quite a bit of time replying to posts like this, TRYING to point out that lies which Michael Moore might present are NOTHING compared to lies which Bush presented, and which used as an excuse/justification for a war, in which many people died.
I mean, are so many people fucked up, and have no human genes anymore?
Who gives a flying f*ck if Moore lied about Rize's statement, when Bush's lies ended up with thousands of dead bodies...
F*ck me - it is amazing what kinds of priorities quite many people have these days... (to concentrate on minor issues, and not talk about major ones)
I really find it sad that people spend enormous amounts of time trying to find "glitches" in Moore's movie, and/or defend him.
But the most important point is Moore's film didn't create any casualties. Bush/Blair/Howard/Aznar and their war (and people should concentrate on Bush lies, not Moore lies) created MANY casualties, and somehow I think this is not the end:(
Still can't beleive that it is more important to many people if Moore edited Rize, than the fact that Bush sent American soldiers to sovereign country, for no apparent reason (at least, no reason justifiable by legal and democratic means - only by "we thought it was good" means).
Are you 100% positive that within 7 minutes "The Government" knew there were 4 planes hijacked and were on a suicidal mission?
They knew the planes were hijacked, while they were still in the air (although, I think they were not sure about 1 of them).
Now, they couldn't know those planes were on suicidal mission, but after first one struck the WTC, I am 99.9% positive that anyone with clear mind would make a conclusion pretty fast.
It can not be a coincidence that hijacked plane crashes in WTC, and officials think it was an 'accident'.
Now, had he jumped up and responded to the first plane crash...then I might be suspicious. I mean, plan crashes happen all the time. Why would he jump up and leave class after the first plane hit the building?
Maybe because officials already knew 4 planes have been hijacked, and one of them already ended up in the WTC?
Hell, one lie I can think off the top of my head immediately is his assertion that Saddam's Iraq never killed or threatened a single American. Things like that made my jaw drop in the theater, but of course, the Moore fans sitting around me were just spellbound and didn't question. I guess people ignore truths when it supports their viewpoint, ignoring the Western hostages during the Kuwait invasion, the decade of firing up at our fighters in the no-fly zone, Saddam's boasting of terrorist sponsorship.
Take a step backwards. Find out when Kuwait is invaded. Then find 'hostile' references before Kuwaiti invasion.
No-fly zone? Are you KIDDING? That was just a legal mumbo-jumbo to allow US/UK to bomb Iraq continously, for the past 13 years...
There's just one quick example, check out the source above for plenty more examples of what a pompus twisted politico Moore is with plenty more independant sources to rebuff almost every single thing that Moore has ever put to celluloid.
You question Moore's sources, and at the same time take for granted that source of the person who was trying to rebuff Morre's claims are... right?
Why, exactly, am I (or anyone else) to beleive that other sources (which person who 'rebuffed' Moore's claims used) are valid, and Moore's are not?
So Russia "won" the war by keeping Germany "busy" on their Eastern front? That's twisted logic. Russia spent most of the war getting their butts kicked and subsequently retaking the Soviet cities which had previoiusly fallen to the Germans. They had to scorch their own territory to keep the Germans at bay. To suggest that they "won" the war is silly.
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Just because the Russians engaged the Nazis on the eastern front doesn't mean they "won" the war for the allies.
"Engaged"? Do you even know anything about WW2, and how many forces were "locked" in Eastern Europe?
Besides that fact that Hitler had to send a lot of units to Russia, Balkans region (ex-Yugoslavia, Greece, etc.) "locked" another 1 million soldiers, because of constant uprisings and partisan war.
What do you think would happen if there were 2-3 million more soldiers (plus unreal amount of equipment) available in Western Europe at the time of D-Day? (besides the fact that D-Day would, probably, never happen).
No knew at the time that it was a "loaded jetliner". The news was reporting that a small plane had crashed into the WTC ala the Empire State Building in the 40s.
It doesn't matter what news reported. Bush doesn't read news anyway.
What matters is (repeating 100th time) that officials KNEW 4 planes have been hijacked, and after first one hit the tower, one didn't need to be a rocket scientist.
What you would do (based on news you were getting at the time of attacks) does not matter, since information available to you and the president differ a lot.
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Most common thing for posters on this topic is that they seemingly have absolutelly no idea what ITU is, since noone even commented on ITU itself. But there are lots of political speeches.
Do you people even know what ITU is? What TIES is?
It's big, it's slow, but they got quite few things right.
I wonder if CERN offered to do something, would people also start writing political speeches? (since most wouldn't probably bother checking what it is before posting comments...)
All this aside, what really worries me is the fact that "presentation" like this made it to RSA conference. C'mon, RSA conferences used to be "the thing", where you wouldn't have 2 anonymous guys (it's not like they're known for their research, or their skills, or anything) bleating about "Which one is safer?" topics.
Now, we have mediocre 'presentation', we also have information that it was sponsored by Microsoft.
I wonder who pushed for such silly and meaningless presentation to show up at RSA conference, hmmm...
I mean, that's really the point of posting this. If GPL authors can go after GPL violaters, copyright owners can go after infringers.
If true, this is kind of an 'entrapment'. Obviuosly, people trading warez are still 'pirates', but APB can't be called with nice names either. They were breaking the law.
As a sidenote... If APB is not a government agency, I guess this 'infiltrator' could also be sued, since he can't get 'immunity' from non-official sources (corporations/companies). Well, he shouldn't be able to, but when I look at how corporations control the world...
k3b works fine under WindowMaker for me, I use WM under VNC when I'm not running directly on my system. Not sure why you're having a problem with it.
Maybe because I don't have KDE/QT installed? Right. It's not big anyway, so why shouldn't I install it to have k3b running...
Nero would have better spent their time and $$$ distributing k3b, cdrecord, cdrdao and all. Those are free as in beer and speech, already work just fine with almost any burner, and they're already there (as opposed to Nero having to roll their own).
Isn't Linux about everyone using what suits them, and everyone having a choice? Did Nero have a choice? Yeps. They made Nero for Linux.
I've been using Linux for ages, and I mostly use console + WindowMaker. Guess what - k3b won't work on WM. GnomeWhatever? Same story. And so on, and so on.
Anyway, kudos to Nero.
I used to pay $20 (or was it $25?) for OSS Yamaha sound-card driver, years ago. I didn't mind doing it. If NeroLINUX works well, I won't mind paying for it either. If Total Commander shows up for Linux tomorrow, they'll be getting my money.
I don't use Linux because I want everything for free (although it would be nice). If you use Linux because of that, then skip commenting on this article, since it's obviuosly not intented for you.
Why are people here up in arms when GPL code is stolen, but not when copyrighted music or movies are illegally downloaded or swapped?
I don't like piracy.
The kind where someone earns money by selling pirated software/movies/MP3s/etc, or by MAKING MONEY (by using such software, for example) with it. But I don't consider "piracy" when someone downloads MP3 from the net, and listens it on his computer. Yes, it might or might not be right, but it's not piracy for me. It seems piracy could be if my neighbour plays loud music, and I listen to the same album 10 times in a day. Gray areas.
I also don't mind someone taking my GPL project, modifying it as much as he/she wants, and using it in his home/company. But I really mind someone taking my project, and trying to MAKE MONEY out of it.
What worries me is the fact that something (silly) like this got to the RSA conference.
No offense, but something like this couldn't even REMOTELY pass on CCC, (older) BlackHat and similar types of conferences.
This is really silly.
I also wonder if IIS has mod_chroot ...
The whole "study" is silly. There is no such things as "more secure", unless you take into account WHO managed those machines. What's the point of having super-secure Linux server if admin leave '1234' as password? Security is not only technology (actually, technology is only small part of it) - it is much more. It is sociology (or whatever you call it in English).
I've been doing pentests for the past 13 years, and in many (and I mean it) cases I didn't need latest exploit (or any exploit at all) in order to gain access to resources.
You know, when you do proper information gathering and try to "think like an admin", miracles happen...
Now, if the oil markets were to move over to the Euro (which Russia, for example, threatened to do a while ago to their oil production in order to get some concessions from the US)...well, the shit in the US would *really* hit the fan.
Q: Which country moved to Euro first, in regards to oil transactions?
A: Yep, you're thinking right. That one. (Iraq, for those who still didn't get it).
Russia does use EUR for oil transaction, although not exlusively. Venezuela does as well (and it closely follows China's interests), but also not exlusively.
Don't know for others. But it's not an "if" anymore - it's "when".
They had almost no economy during WW2, yet they've managed to build strongest army in short time.
Stop looking everything though money...
Um, you mean anyone other than...
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Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Palau, Panama, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovakia, South Korea, Solomon Islands, Spain, Turkey, Uganda, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan.
Hahaha! You really made me laugh
Could you do me a favour, and actually GO to Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia (and especially Macedonia) - and to talk people?
As opposed to taking PR stuff written for sheep, and pasting it to Slashdot.
I live in this region (called Balkan), and yet have to find anyone who agrees with War in Iraq.
But you'll have to get to Palau by yourself, I don't know what people there think. Don't think you'll know where it is either...
Speeding (and many other things) can cause accidents and deaths. And you get a ticket. Sharing files doesn't kill anyone, nor threatens safety of anyone - and yet he gets "up to 15 years".
This, simply, doesn't make sense. Fine, he was cocky, and he should be punished, but even MENTIONING 15 years is absolutelly insane.
Well, most of the planet is insane by now, I guess...
I am way too late for this story, and haven't read the patent yet, but anyone who knows X.25 and SWIFT (just an example) will laugh on this news.
SWIFT moves billions (of not trillions) of dollars every year, for many years. And it is "international", and it is "transactions", and it is "computers".
"intentionally", not "internally". Have no idea how I typed that :)
I don't see why/how this should be humiliating. History has shown (many times) that not even the best of us (in whatever area of life) are to be trusted 100% all the time. People fail, systems fail, democracies fail. For one, I don't mind having election monitoring in my country, since that reassures me there was no trouble and no tricks were pulled. Americans should feel the same. Americans are humans too, and humans all make mistakes (internally or otherwise). Or, would they feel safer if FoxNews or some US govt funded organization was 'monitoring'?
How exactly is it helpful to release a free version that most people can't use in real world applications? The answer is, it isn't.
:). However, 1 CPU, 5 Gig database is WAY more than I need for my application and data storage. If my shop grows so much that it needs more than 5GB of db storage, I guess I'll have enough money to actually buy full featured version.
It seems like everyone here works at (or runs) huge company which works with terrabytes of data. I think it's crap, and reality is that small shop (4 people company, for example, as in my case) can have all their sales/product/tracking/etc. data in less than 100MB (MySQL). At least I do.
I used Sybase (for some ebussines stuff) some 4 years ago, and I quite liked it, but never needed it for myself (expensive
Small businesses are the target for this offer, not uber-geeks who have way too much time on their hands, and want source for everything (although they'll, most likely, never look at it).
You should go watch the movie, or at least the part where it showed Bush sitting around looking like a monkey for 7 minutes. He is not actually reading the book with the children, he is glancing at it and looking around nervously for 7 minutes trying to decide what to do.
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Ah, right. My guess is that Russians/Chinese will give their support to Bush, for elections.
This way, they know they'll have advantage of at least 7 minutes when nukes are launched
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Now if Moore just included "Yes I did" statement while leaving out the rest, would it still be considered the truth?
Argh. I spent quite a bit of time replying to posts like this, TRYING to point out that lies which Michael Moore might present are NOTHING compared to lies which Bush presented, and which used as an excuse/justification for a war, in which many people died.
I mean, are so many people fucked up, and have no human genes anymore?
Who gives a flying f*ck if Moore lied about Rize's statement, when Bush's lies ended up with thousands of dead bodies...
F*ck me - it is amazing what kinds of priorities quite many people have these days... (to concentrate on minor issues, and not talk about major ones)
I really find it sad that people spend enormous amounts of time trying to find "glitches" in Moore's movie, and/or defend him.
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But the most important point is Moore's film didn't create any casualties. Bush/Blair/Howard/Aznar and their war (and people should concentrate on Bush lies, not Moore lies) created MANY casualties, and somehow I think this is not the end
Still can't beleive that it is more important to many people if Moore edited Rize, than the fact that Bush sent American soldiers to sovereign country, for no apparent reason (at least, no reason justifiable by legal and democratic means - only by "we thought it was good" means).
Are you 100% positive that within 7 minutes "The Government" knew there were 4 planes hijacked and were on a suicidal mission?
They knew the planes were hijacked, while they were still in the air (although, I think they were not sure about 1 of them).
Now, they couldn't know those planes were on suicidal mission, but after first one struck the WTC, I am 99.9% positive that anyone with clear mind would make a conclusion pretty fast.
It can not be a coincidence that hijacked plane crashes in WTC, and officials think it was an 'accident'.
Now, had he jumped up and responded to the first plane crash...then I might be suspicious. I mean, plan crashes happen all the time. Why would he jump up and leave class after the first plane hit the building?
Maybe because officials already knew 4 planes have been hijacked, and one of them already ended up in the WTC?
Hell, one lie I can think off the top of my head immediately is his assertion that Saddam's Iraq never killed or threatened a single American. Things like that made my jaw drop in the theater, but of course, the Moore fans sitting around me were just spellbound and didn't question. I guess people ignore truths when it supports their viewpoint, ignoring the Western hostages during the Kuwait invasion, the decade of firing up at our fighters in the no-fly zone, Saddam's boasting of terrorist sponsorship.
Take a step backwards. Find out when Kuwait is invaded. Then find 'hostile' references before Kuwaiti invasion.
No-fly zone? Are you KIDDING? That was just a legal mumbo-jumbo to allow US/UK to bomb Iraq continously, for the past 13 years...
There's just one quick example, check out the source above for plenty more examples of what a pompus twisted politico Moore is with plenty more independant sources to rebuff almost every single thing that Moore has ever put to celluloid.
You question Moore's sources, and at the same time take for granted that source of the person who was trying to rebuff Morre's claims are... right?
Why, exactly, am I (or anyone else) to beleive that other sources (which person who 'rebuffed' Moore's claims used) are valid, and Moore's are not?
Because he's a politician?
So Russia "won" the war by keeping Germany "busy" on their Eastern front? That's twisted logic. Russia spent most of the war getting their butts kicked and subsequently retaking the Soviet cities which had previoiusly fallen to the Germans. They had to scorch their own territory to keep the Germans at bay. To suggest that they "won" the war is silly.
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Just because the Russians engaged the Nazis on the eastern front doesn't mean they "won" the war for the allies.
"Engaged"? Do you even know anything about WW2, and how many forces were "locked" in Eastern Europe?
Besides that fact that Hitler had to send a lot of units to Russia, Balkans region (ex-Yugoslavia, Greece, etc.) "locked" another 1 million soldiers, because of constant uprisings and partisan war.
What do you think would happen if there were 2-3 million more soldiers (plus unreal amount of equipment) available in Western Europe at the time of D-Day? (besides the fact that D-Day would, probably, never happen).
No knew at the time that it was a "loaded jetliner". The news was reporting that a small plane had crashed into the WTC ala the Empire State Building in the 40s.
It doesn't matter what news reported. Bush doesn't read news anyway.
What matters is (repeating 100th time) that officials KNEW 4 planes have been hijacked, and after first one hit the tower, one didn't need to be a rocket scientist.
What you would do (based on news you were getting at the time of attacks) does not matter, since information available to you and the president differ a lot.