That's $2,000 for PC ($1,500 box + $500 monitor), replaced every 2 years $1,000 in sofware licenses (replaced every 2 years) $1,000 (50 hours over 2 years @$20/hr) for support and tech work (that's 2 hours per month, nothing really, includes setting up new PC every 2 years) (note $20/hr includes $13 for wages and $7 for taxes, etc)
Extra $5,000 every 2 years for server stuff (backup, file servers, application servers, email servers, firewall, t-1 service, printers)
Yes, that's 100,000 a year for 20 ppl. But it's really $425 per month per employee. Not that much compared to their salaries ($3,300-$6,300/mo).
Also, the first year, you'll spend $150K getting and configuring all the stuff. You won't ahve to do much the next year, but year three and thereafter you'll have to have somebody replace user pcs.
I did not include the IT manager's salary, because that does not depend on the number of people.
Also, if you think more people will reduce costs, think again. More people mean more complexity, and 50 people can print more (and use up more toner) than 20 people.
Also, don't forget to adjust up 3% annually, or in a couple of years you'll be very tight.
If your business relies on custom software from a third-party vendor, add $5000 per year per user.
If you have people with laptops, add $1000 per year each (they break/walk faster).
hope this helps.
And this does not include telco. If you're doing voip, look to double your network infra, with 100K extra up front (servers and phones @$250)
Or linux folks. The computer being the hardware without bundled software, of course.
Actually, the people who end up spending the most are the windows users: $899 for the machine, then spending hours trying to get someone to get them a pirated version of office, then spending hours trying to install it without calling ms, typing 16-25 char strings, then spending hours installing their software fireall and antivirus combo, including getting the 29.99 yearly subscription from the vendor's site, then spending days dealing with popups of all kinds such as "would you like to create a passport account", "this application is trying to connect to the internet", and "get vlagr@ Cheap!". Then, later, they spend countless hours cursing their bad luck at going to one, just one porn site, accidentally mind you, and now their machine is slow as molasses, will crash when trying to open a PDF, and will give them more softcore than a subscription to penthouse mag. Eventually they wil spend countless hours trying to get a geek to come over and remove the spyware, only to be berated for not running linux/osX for countless hours, then getting the news: "your box is hosed, gimme the recovery CD, I'm reformatting".
As an aside, it is, to be honest, quite a pleasure to see the glaze over their eyes as the realization dawns on then that they are about to have to do everything all over, from scratch.
Finally, unable to take it any longer, they throw in the towel, and head to best buy, where they are going to spend another $1500 on a P4 that is about 800 times faster than what they need, get the Free* (with mail-in rebate) printer, and get the extended warranty for $220, because, as the salesman says: "you can return it anytime in three years."
So, who's spending the most time and money on computers now?
I ask you now, my Fellow Slashdotters, Roots, and Grokkers everywhere: don't let your friends run windows!
I work in healthcare, so yes, I do realize that failure is a risk we all take. I also know that the stakes are high enough that we want to be as careful as possible.
But why in fact should they be restricted from using what they want, as long as it does not interfere with safety. Remember, they are paying rent where they want to use the wifi.
Also, they do this to accomodate their laptop-toting business customers, who, being good corporate citizens, do not alter their company's laptop 80211b&g wireless.;)
Because you can call the base. Ask to speak to Captain John Miller. The operator will direct you to his voicemail. You leave a courteous message asking if he's the person who edited the article. He'll call you back and say, yes, that was me, and make some comment about what you said in the message. Eh?
Since your're driving, have the stripease spray from the back of your car at the bottom. It will vaporize just enough to leave some nice little streaks on the front bumper, grill, and maybe hood. You could combine this with hitting the windshield wiper so that the misting on his car will seem to have come from your windshield wiper fluid.
Of course, I am not advocating this, and you should not do this.
Eh, when you read something in the media or in an encyclopedia in paper or something in a library, how do you know it's correct?
Let's say you are doing research on a two-seater variant of the f-16 foghter aircraft, and the "paper encyclopedia" puts the range at 2400km, and wikipedia puts the range at 2550km, who would you trust?
Now, if you came to the knowledge that the article on the trainer variant in question was edited by Captain John Miller, USAF, at the Point Ueneme Air Force base, the only base in the United States using this particular variant, and that he was the man in charge of all pilot training, who would you believe then, the "paper encyclopedia" printed in Taiwan in 2003, or Wikipedia?
Now, let's say that John Miller posted as JonM at 3 am, you might not know that he's the USAF trainer, but you might ask him how he knows, and he might tell you to call him at the base during his office hours. Then you might know. Try calling the Encyclopedia.
Assuming that information is correct is always asking for trouble, regardless of where the infomration comes from. What wikipedia allows you to do is more easily contact the authors to validate or invalidate, as the case may be, the factual nature of the information.
Yeah, that's the point, though. How come laptops are so damn different? How come the manufacturers out there don't have a "bare" laptop for sale? Ah, could it be because they've got an "arrangement" with MS?
1997 called and they want their monopolistic shady deals back.
I'd like to add that the chinese military, same as the US military, does not want people thinking of what really happens in a real war, such as team killing, weapons jamming at the moment an enemy is aiming at you, and vehicles killing people by running them over, etc. They want to romanticise combat, making it seem as thought you get killed only if you do something wrong like not following orders. In reality, there are plenty of ways of dying in war that have nothing to do with what you do or don't do.
Remember, the Chinese military's strength is absolute numerical superiority. If they can't get the youngsters to fall into rank at 18, they lose that, and they become more vulnerable.
Go find out why there's no blood and gore and wounded screaming in a pool of blood in America's Army the game. (there's plenty of blood and gore and screaming wounded in the real US army, just not on CNN).
There is another angle which FidelCastro alluded to.
China is portrayed in the western media, as well as by its government, as a united block. It is not. It is a country with 1.3 billion people with different religions, ethnicities, languages, and economic backgrounds. It should not be surprising that there could be factional fighting in China; as there have been many times in the past (see the 20-50 million deaths in the Taiping Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion) in the 1850's, as well as the turbulent times from 1900's Boxer rebellion and the time of the warlords (which Chiang Kai-shek put an end to at the head of the Kuomintang, fought against the Japanese in WWII, then moved to Taiwan when the Communists took over. His goal in Taiwan being to retake the mainland -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-Shek).
Back to Fidel: The chinese government does not want young chinese to think that team killing is "part of the game" since, in their case, team mates would be chinese. So no chinese killing chinese. Because once they think it's OK to kill chinese, then the pawns are set for internal armed struggle (civil war) and since there is a strong and growing sense that China is important in the world, and that the Communist government is, well, a little backward, the people on the street might think that not blindly following the government and exercising a little violence to show the world that China "has arrived" would be a good thing. For a fine example of that, refer to the Chinese protests at the Japanese embassy on April 9, 2005 (see http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_rioters_storm_ Japanese_embassy_in_Beijing)
Of course, over violence by chinese youth against the Chinese government would trigger a brutal crackdown, and international media would use that to portray China as a military dictatorship, thus undoing the many years of work to appease the west.
It would also strengthen the position of the military supporters within the Chinese Communist party at the expense of those who wish to extend greater economic and political rights in order to better compete with the west and against India (who currently has cheaper labor).
All in all, I can say that this is not a decision based on morals, but rather a potentially very clever political move.
Ah, I see people's mind changing the instant I show them what I built. They'll say somthething like: "Oh, cool, great job! But, wait, can we move that column to the right? Wait... We don't need that column... Can you just give me a total at the bottom? Oh wait, yes, a total at the bottom of each section. Unless the sections are unordered. Oh, that won't work. We need them ordered. Ok, so I told you to make the section in custom order, and you did it, it's great, but, hum, we just want them sorted by this order, so remove the option to sort by anything else. Oh, but keep the code, we'll, hum, yes! We want to do custom sorting on the header, there, and there (points to screen excitedly) and also there, and at the bottom too! It's just copy and paste, so, hum, by 3 pm? Ok great, I'll see you at 3."
My reply: Those are very good suggestions. Let me get back with you on when I can have this done.
Of course, 20 minutes later, I get this call: "Say, have you started working on the changes?" "Yes", I lie. "Ow ow ow, I talked to my boss, and he had other ideas... Can you come to my office in 5 minutes?" "Sure. of course, be right there."
I suppose it was because you could see the sunlight reflecting off the tinfoil hats that MS did not include the picture... That and the "Micro$aft Suxxor" spelled out at a crop circle in the lawn.
That would be a good hack, knowing when the sat was going to update and cutting out date/time in the lawn with a large lawn mower. then seeing in on google maps.
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Is that related to your IP addy belonging to the whitehouse.gov block?
uh, that would be us... Well, you really. with your 2228 uid...
Ah, thanks
I noticed the big 'confidential' on the first page of the pdf...
Someone care to exlpain?
$5,000 per year per employee.
That's $2,000 for PC ($1,500 box + $500 monitor), replaced every 2 years
$1,000 in sofware licenses (replaced every 2 years)
$1,000 (50 hours over 2 years @$20/hr) for support and tech work (that's 2 hours per month, nothing really, includes setting up new PC every 2 years) (note $20/hr includes $13 for wages and $7 for taxes, etc)
Extra $5,000 every 2 years for server stuff (backup, file servers, application servers, email servers, firewall, t-1 service, printers)
Yes, that's 100,000 a year for 20 ppl. But it's really $425 per month per employee. Not that much compared to their salaries ($3,300-$6,300/mo).
Also, the first year, you'll spend $150K getting and configuring all the stuff. You won't ahve to do much the next year, but year three and thereafter you'll have to have somebody replace user pcs.
I did not include the IT manager's salary, because that does not depend on the number of people.
Also, if you think more people will reduce costs, think again. More people mean more complexity, and 50 people can print more (and use up more toner) than 20 people.
Also, don't forget to adjust up 3% annually, or in a couple of years you'll be very tight.
If your business relies on custom software from a third-party vendor, add $5000 per year per user.
If you have people with laptops, add $1000 per year each (they break/walk faster).
hope this helps.
And this does not include telco. If you're doing voip, look to double your network infra, with 100K extra up front (servers and phones @$250)
/me giggles uncontrollably...
Ahem, funny. Yes, funny.
Or linux folks. The computer being the hardware without bundled software, of course.
Actually, the people who end up spending the most are the windows users: $899 for the machine, then spending hours trying to get someone to get them a pirated version of office, then spending hours trying to install it without calling ms, typing 16-25 char strings, then spending hours installing their software fireall and antivirus combo, including getting the 29.99 yearly subscription from the vendor's site, then spending days dealing with popups of all kinds such as "would you like to create a passport account", "this application is trying to connect to the internet", and "get vlagr@ Cheap!". Then, later, they spend countless hours cursing their bad luck at going to one, just one porn site, accidentally mind you, and now their machine is slow as molasses, will crash when trying to open a PDF, and will give them more softcore than a subscription to penthouse mag. Eventually they wil spend countless hours trying to get a geek to come over and remove the spyware, only to be berated for not running linux/osX for countless hours, then getting the news: "your box is hosed, gimme the recovery CD, I'm reformatting".
As an aside, it is, to be honest, quite a pleasure to see the glaze over their eyes as the realization dawns on then that they are about to have to do everything all over, from scratch.
Finally, unable to take it any longer, they throw in the towel, and head to best buy, where they are going to spend another $1500 on a P4 that is about 800 times faster than what they need, get the Free* (with mail-in rebate) printer, and get the extended warranty for $220, because, as the salesman says: "you can return it anytime in three years."
So, who's spending the most time and money on computers now?
I ask you now, my Fellow Slashdotters, Roots, and Grokkers everywhere: don't let your friends run windows!
I work in healthcare, so yes, I do realize that failure is a risk we all take. I also know that the stakes are high enough that we want to be as careful as possible.
But why in fact should they be restricted from using what they want, as long as it does not interfere with safety. Remember, they are paying rent where they want to use the wifi.
;)
Also, they do this to accomodate their laptop-toting business customers, who, being good corporate citizens, do not alter their company's laptop 80211b&g wireless.
Because you can call the base. Ask to speak to Captain John Miller. The operator will direct you to his voicemail. You leave a courteous message asking if he's the person who edited the article. He'll call you back and say, yes, that was me, and make some comment about what you said in the message. Eh?
Since your're driving, have the stripease spray from the back of your car at the bottom. It will vaporize just enough to leave some nice little streaks on the front bumper, grill, and maybe hood. You could combine this with hitting the windshield wiper so that the misting on his car will seem to have come from your windshield wiper fluid.
Of course, I am not advocating this, and you should not do this.
But how do _you_ know that the peer review experts weren't trying to push an agenda?
But you're assuming again. You don't know for sure.
Same here, and I'm a long-time contributor with 3000+ edits (or so).
But I don't always log in when I edit. Typos, for example, and wikifying, don't warrant my going throught the hoop of logging in.
Now, when I get down to a serious session of creating and fleshing out an article, yes, I'll log in, so I can get back to it looking at my history.
Eh, when you read something in the media or in an encyclopedia in paper or something in a library, how do you know it's correct?
Let's say you are doing research on a two-seater variant of the f-16 foghter aircraft, and the "paper encyclopedia" puts the range at 2400km, and wikipedia puts the range at 2550km, who would you trust?
Now, if you came to the knowledge that the article on the trainer variant in question was edited by Captain John Miller, USAF, at the Point Ueneme Air Force base, the only base in the United States using this particular variant, and that he was the man in charge of all pilot training, who would you believe then, the "paper encyclopedia" printed in Taiwan in 2003, or Wikipedia?
Now, let's say that John Miller posted as JonM at 3 am, you might not know that he's the USAF trainer, but you might ask him how he knows, and he might tell you to call him at the base during his office hours. Then you might know. Try calling the Encyclopedia.
Assuming that information is correct is always asking for trouble, regardless of where the infomration comes from. What wikipedia allows you to do is more easily contact the authors to validate or invalidate, as the case may be, the factual nature of the information.
Yeah, that's the point, though. How come laptops are so damn different? How come the manufacturers out there don't have a "bare" laptop for sale? Ah, could it be because they've got an "arrangement" with MS?
1997 called and they want their monopolistic shady deals back.
I'd like to add that the chinese military, same as the US military, does not want people thinking of what really happens in a real war, such as team killing, weapons jamming at the moment an enemy is aiming at you, and vehicles killing people by running them over, etc. They want to romanticise combat, making it seem as thought you get killed only if you do something wrong like not following orders. In reality, there are plenty of ways of dying in war that have nothing to do with what you do or don't do.
_ Japanese_embassy_in_Beijing)
Remember, the Chinese military's strength is absolute numerical superiority. If they can't get the youngsters to fall into rank at 18, they lose that, and they become more vulnerable.
Go find out why there's no blood and gore and wounded screaming in a pool of blood in America's Army the game. (there's plenty of blood and gore and screaming wounded in the real US army, just not on CNN).
There is another angle which FidelCastro alluded to.
China is portrayed in the western media, as well as by its government, as a united block. It is not. It is a country with 1.3 billion people with different religions, ethnicities, languages, and economic backgrounds. It should not be surprising that there could be factional fighting in China; as there have been many times in the past (see the 20-50 million deaths in the Taiping Rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion) in the 1850's, as well as the turbulent times from 1900's Boxer rebellion and the time of the warlords (which Chiang Kai-shek put an end to at the head of the Kuomintang, fought against the Japanese in WWII, then moved to Taiwan when the Communists took over. His goal in Taiwan being to retake the mainland -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-Shek).
Back to Fidel: The chinese government does not want young chinese to think that team killing is "part of the game" since, in their case, team mates would be chinese. So no chinese killing chinese. Because once they think it's OK to kill chinese, then the pawns are set for internal armed struggle (civil war) and since there is a strong and growing sense that China is important in the world, and that the Communist government is, well, a little backward, the people on the street might think that not blindly following the government and exercising a little violence to show the world that China "has arrived" would be a good thing. For a fine example of that, refer to the Chinese protests at the Japanese embassy on April 9, 2005 (see http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_rioters_storm
Of course, over violence by chinese youth against the Chinese government would trigger a brutal crackdown, and international media would use that to portray China as a military dictatorship, thus undoing the many years of work to appease the west.
It would also strengthen the position of the military supporters within the Chinese Communist party at the expense of those who wish to extend greater economic and political rights in order to better compete with the west and against India (who currently has cheaper labor).
All in all, I can say that this is not a decision based on morals, but rather a potentially very clever political move.
Salaried also means they must not keep track of the hours. (US labor laws, look it up).
Catchy, no?
> What were you expecting, sci-fi on the level of 2001 or Blade Runner?
That would be very nice.
I for one would rather get the BR Director's Cut DVD that go see Doom The Movie.
Aaaaaaaaaamen Brother!
Naw, I work for a fortune 500 that has a "IE is the browser we use" policy.
I dev everything in ff.
You know why? because it makes ME much more productive.
Ah, I see people's mind changing the instant I show them what I built. They'll say somthething like: "Oh, cool, great job! But, wait, can we move that column to the right? Wait... We don't need that column... Can you just give me a total at the bottom? Oh wait, yes, a total at the bottom of each section. Unless the sections are unordered. Oh, that won't work. We need them ordered. Ok, so I told you to make the section in custom order, and you did it, it's great, but, hum, we just want them sorted by this order, so remove the option to sort by anything else. Oh, but keep the code, we'll, hum, yes! We want to do custom sorting on the header, there, and there (points to screen excitedly) and also there, and at the bottom too! It's just copy and paste, so, hum, by 3 pm? Ok great, I'll see you at 3."
:)
My reply: Those are very good suggestions. Let me get back with you on when I can have this done.
Of course, 20 minutes later, I get this call:
"Say, have you started working on the changes?"
"Yes", I lie.
"Ow ow ow, I talked to my boss, and he had other ideas... Can you come to my office in 5 minutes?"
"Sure. of course, be right there."
And on and on the days go by
I saw the light, and it opened up my eyes.
I suppose it was because you could see the sunlight reflecting off the tinfoil hats that MS did not include the picture... That and the "Micro$aft Suxxor" spelled out at a crop circle in the lawn.
That would be a good hack, knowing when the sat was going to update and cutting out date/time in the lawn with a large lawn mower. then seeing in on google maps.