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Monad Shell Removed From Vista
hggs writes "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by 2007." Update: 08/06 04:45 GMT by Z : As Mr. Toulouse states here, the submission here adds one and one and gets three. Monad hasn't been in Vista for about two months. The CNet article is clarifying a previous report stating that Monad could potentially be the first source of viruses in an OS which incorporated it. The interesting news about Monad in the server edition was obscured by the factually incorrect submission, which at first blush seemed to make sense. Mea Culpa.
Damn, how long will they delay all of these MEGA-AWESOME MUST BUY features? Are they really so incompetent?
Yet another feature stripped from the next release of Windows.
I guess microsoft figures that only people who spend several thousand for a computer deserve even moderately capable tools.
Oh well. More and more reason to not bother upgrading, and gear towards an eventual switch to Linux someday.
I RTFA and it does not even imply that MONAD will not be included in Windows Vista because of the virus threat. In fact, MS announced almost two months ago that Mondad will not be included in Windows Vista (then Longhorn).
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Remove the capability of the command line for home users, but leave a buggy and insecure shell for servers where hackers can have lots of fun messing up enterprise level websites!
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possible virus threat = remove it? better remove everything else too
Microsoft has decided to not release Windows Vista at all this year.
Although it's been proven that it's a common vulnerability in *all* shells, there's something to be said about the average windows user.
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include scripting that's vulnerable on the servers, but not on the clients.
Yeah, it's not like they actually seek out servers to hack, right?
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Woah. My goodness. This means that every single one of the new features I'd heard about have now been removed from Longhorn/Vista.
Is there to be anything new at all?
You could build a pretty good operating system from all the stuff that's been pulled out out Vista. Maybe Microsoft could take all that extra stuff and come out with a "Platinum" version of Vista; call it "Longhorn" or something.
that was super fast. like lightning even.
w00t
*Insert clever comment about how "monad" rhymes with "gonad"*
There, it is done. Are you all happy yet?
This makes sense since servers don't really need much security. Hackers around the world rejoice!
Welcome to the department of redundancy department...
Removing a feature because of a virus threat? They should just remove windows from windows.
And it will be the most secure version of Windows ever.
If MS starts removing components that have the potential to be exploited by a virus, does that mean that IE has be removed too? ;)
I guess the next version of Windows will be Dos!
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Microsoft would like to announce Windows XP SP3 - AKA Vista.
...why am I not surprised?
if they keep going with this train of thought, why stop at the Monad? Kill Internet Explorer! Kill Outlook! Go go go!
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Mohad was NOT in Vista before all this sudo-virus junk appeared. It was taken out MONTHS ago! Microsoft have been saying for MONTHS that it will not appear in Vista but WILL appear in Longhorn Server.
Now some attention seekers claim they created a virus, which is no more powerful than anything you could currently do in VBScript and gets headlines. Now you link to a blog that says "There is no virus threat [TRUE!] and Mohad will not be in Vista [TRUE]" and conclude that A == B?! Dear god you people!
they should exclude Internet explorer too, or maybe they should exclude the whole product, for security reasons.
wow, thats smart - and not over-reactive...
That all anyone has to do is post a "proof of concept" exploit, and instead of fixing it like most other corporations would, they will just remove it?
Where is the DRM "proof of concept" exploit?
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People will be arrested for distributing Vista Binaries when they DON'T run p2p applications on their computers.
I have become enlightened.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
They just can't admit to yet another feature trim. This so called exploit was just a batch file virus. There was no exploit. The scripts couldn't bypass security and was no worse than someone running an untrusted shell script as root. In fact, they go on to say it will be in longhorn server! How bad can it be? I think monad is just one of the great new features that WON'T be in their great new OS. It seems Vista's only new features will be DRM and using shaders for the crappy visuals instead of blitters for the crappy visuals. I'll stick with 2003, thank you. MS better give me a compelling reasion to switch.
So is it going to be worth shelling out $100+ for a new OS from Microsoft, that the only new feature it will have is a fancy interface?
Expect Vista in the next Tour de France.
The only way that these shells, which give a lot of flexibility and power to their users, are going to work is if there is a decent permission system to keep the bad scripts from doing any real damage. If they haven't done anything radical to expose users to the concept of file permissions then it was probably a smart decision on their part.
At the same time, I'm disappointed that they haven't tried to avocate the proper use of permissions as in "See? If you use the NT permissions to segergate your files then it wouldn't be a problem in the first place."
Monad's supposed to make it more like Unix, now they remove the monads to make it a eunuch?
Quick - somebody find vulnerabilities in the WPA and DRM modules. Bonus if you find buffer overflows in the "make Windows unstable" DLLs.
We're told that yet another feature won't be present in Windows Vista by someone who seems to think that there won't ever be a virus capable of penetrating Vista's "security". These Microsoft guys crack me up!
gotta love that pro-windows bias here on slashdot. lol. in reading the article there was no mention that Monad was ever going to be in Vista in the first place. we already knew it wouldn't be there. so now all we have is yet another anti-Vista rant.
so.. in other words...nothing to see here.
not that im pro-windows its just you get sick of this after the 20th time. how bout we wait for the actual RELEASE before we say how stupid/featureless Vista is? i mean, we wait for books, games, and everything else to voice our authoritative reviews on how bad something else. why not OS's?
I guess they decided the Monad could be broken up into smaller, more destructive pieces. Someone alert Isaac Newton.
Please change the name from MONAD to something else such as WENIS or VESTICLE or something more hard (no pun intended) to make fun of.
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I thought it was already pulled a few weeks ago because they couldn't have it ready in time. Now they are saying they are pulling it because there are hacks against it??? Geesh.
Windows who? IMO
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A clue should've been the title of the article linked to: "A virus for Windows Vista? Wrong."
...The viruses do not attempt to exploit a software vulnerability and do not encompass a new method of attack."
From TFA:
"First of all, in examining the details of the reports, there is no Windows Vista virus described in them.
If one had read either of the two articles linked, one would realize that the so-called "viruses" are nothing more than malicious scripts. No software hole is exploited; the viruses are no more dangerous than any arbitrary piece of code running on your system.
They are not viruses; they only have the privileges that a user gives them. They're the same as any other executable file.
If a stranger sends you an executable, be it a script or a compiled program, and you run it, you're already in trouble. These scripts are nothing special.
Did the article author even read what he was submitting? The author states, "because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista", which could not be more deliberately misleading, and is contracted by both articles he links to!
Is this really the best response that Microsoft can come up with at a time when there is so much increased dissatisfaction with their endless upgrade cycle? If it is, then the F/OSS communities should probably increase their efforts to target the corporate desktop, because Microsoft doesn't appear to have anything of substance for several years! I'll bet Steve Jobs is laughing too; he's certainly picked the right time to go through the traumas of switching architecture.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Monad was not going to be shipped with Vista since the announcement of Vista. Read something about it on PCMagazine.com.
Also, this story also states the same thing.
Also, it's not the shell that is insecure....it's the fact that most Windows users are still, to this day, forced to run as administrator to run some random programs that you shouldn't need Admin rights for either. Also, these same users do not know better and also whine when they have to type in a password. You can't change behavior that has been bred in by many years of use of a insecure OS that was insecure by design.
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Maybe they should rename the next release Windows Something or Windows Maybe. How about Windows Almost?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
What percentage of the currently active and spreading Windows worms and viruses use the current Windows Shell to propogate and as the initial point of entry into the system? Isn't it premature to pull a 'feature' due to a proof-of-concept on a pre-release...
If only Microsoft used this policy with all their other 'features', Windows might actually be fast and useable...
Or at least the worst in several years. The blurb says basically the exact opposite of what the link says. May I suggest one of the /. editors add a little "update: the above is wrong in every way" to the end?
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Windows Long^H^H^H Vista
- Monad CLI
- WinFS
+ Monitor HDMI DRM
+ Hardware DRM
? WPF (Ported to XP/2003)
? WCF (Ported to XP/2003)
? WinFX (Ported to XP/2003)
(*Question marks are ment as a "Why would someone upgrade when they can get this for the current OS?)
So... we see Microsoft's true intention with Vista. DRM.
Windows has detected an undetectable error.
Maybe it just got deleted by the virus....
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I remember a few years ago that Microsoft had anounced that Win 2003/XP was the last time the server and desktop products were going to be two distinct products and now we learn that this is not the case where there is going to be a Vista Desktop and a Longhorn Server.
So this morning everyone enjoyed bashing M$ for their yet again voulnerable software. Even thought 'the virus' was just a script which, as in every shell, could do some damage.
Now M$ reacts in the most secure way and takes more time to make sure it's really idiot proof, and investigate how to make it actually safe the /.-crowd is bashing some more as M$ would be incompetent and slacking.
I don't like M$ either, but it's a bit disturbing that an otherwise rather intelligent crowd just goes into uncontrollable bashing mode on the mere mention of Microsoft, like a poodle on a bitch in heat. Basically, the bashers right now are opposing those bashing this morning.
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
walked around the park.
One was WinFS and fell into a hole.
9 little windows Vista features walked around the park. The new shell slipped and fell into the pool and drowned.
8 little windows vista features walked around the park. DRM bully came and whacked them all dead.
No new Windows Vista features were left alive, so Microsoft put some new colors in and everybody bought it.
"Freiheit ist immer auch die Freiheit des Andersdenkenden" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1871 - 1919
Or, is this their way of telegraphing that we should consider IE no longer exploitable, because they haven't pulled it?
Probably somebody was making fun of them for putting in a command line just to catch up with the Unixy crowd.
... I have to use Windows XP because of my job. I'd love to go *nix, but out business plan (being a MS software developer) wouldn't exactly fly. So I HAVE to use it (violen playing here). The ONLY good thing about Longhorn I've seen so far was the Monad shell (tested it out a little last year when the beta was first released). I also have to use Visual Studio. These two things are the only programs that MS seems to do right (ok, I don't really think that, but I figured I should put SOME anti-MS stuff in here, it *is /. after all).
Why... why MS, why!?!? Is it impossible to FIX the software (begin wise-a$$ jokes here).
Grease & Counterbalance
Once again, another angry, MS-hating, troll-liking Slashdot poster makes up his/her own story - that MONAD will not be included in Vista because of virus threat mentioned on Slashdot. Nothing could be further from the truth. On RTFA, nowhere does it mention the so-called "reason" for not including it in Vista - the simple fact of the matter is - it's not ready yet! Say what you have to say, the poster just wants a kick out of baseless, worthless and utterly mindless comments.
That's what I've been thinking - and other than Avalon their touted graphics engine, I can't think of a damned thing. Nothing. Does anyone know, what's actually in it?
So what will we be getting now?
Many of the jaw dropping features of Windows Vista have been removed. Many of the features now left Microsoft has stated they will back into Windows XP. So is long horn simply going to be Windows XP Service Pack3 ?
So much for the revolution being promised. Longhorn looks like its shapping up to be what Windows 98 was to Windows 95, only taking double the amount of time.
On the other hand, Microsoft's not stupid. They don't waste years, so I wounder how much under the hood has changed and exactly how much will be back ported to Windows XP.
I mean, I love all the new feature changes from Windows XP.
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would be a beautiful day wouldn't it?
lameness filter thwarted.
A server operating system for servers? Surely you jest.
An editor who fufills the job of an editor? Surely you jest.
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My submission was titled "Vista has no Monads", but I guess that must have been too racy.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
Considering that NT is, theoretically the successor to VMS, it sure is lame.
Where's our versioning file system? Where's our ironclad clustering? (Someone who's a real VMS geek can probably offer more examples)
Micrsoft hires Dave Cutler, who wrote VMS, and a bunch of the DEC engineers, has them write a brand spankin' new OS to Rule Them All, and they try to sell some retarded crapheap that doesn't have some of the best features of the '80's.
Of course, the perfectly sensible reason they're selling a crapheap is that performance mattered more than a secure microkernel architecture (which NT, at one point, supposedly was), and backwards compatability with win32 is the only thing keeping people running to back to MS like a crackhead to his dealer.
Give me my good 'ol 70's Unix. The '80's died, and the 90's just won't.
Is it a way to announce that we're allowed to say :
WINDOWS IS DYING!!!11ahundredandeleven!
(or may be I can wait the Vista release when Netcraft will confirm it...)
Haha, wish I had mod points right now!
Why has Slashdot been annoying me so much the last week or so? I used to really enjoy it, but the hordes of witless MS bashers bring the collective value of the forum WAY down. Or, are poor artices being greenlit? I can't put my finger on it. The forum is feeling shoddy and slummy. Guess I'll go hang with the intellectuals at FARK.
I not so sure a consumer version really needs a command line utility anyway. But what surprises me is that this is much of an issue. In the right (or wrong or nube) hands, bash is dangerous too. Big deal. Monad should have been left in, although it really needs a name that doesn't sound like an alien sex organ.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
...is build a great OS given the vast number of micro-markets that exist purely as a result of it's shortcomings. The bulk of system adminstrators would far rather Windows remain in constant need of nursing, for instance, just to keep their jobs. Put simplistically, the harder Windows is to administer, the better.
Focussing on the internal qualities of the product itself obscures a wider business sensibility intrinsic to market monopoly through downstream dependence from symptomatic service industries.
Windows is not dissimilar to heroin, a carefully engineered sickness that presents itself as the only cure.
But CNet joins the party too.
I'm embarrassed for the industry. I mean, come on. The facts:
- Monad has scripting functionality. OMG, scripts can do bad things! What do you expect, AI that detects if a script has malicious intent?
- Monad has been out of Vista for a long time. Long before the stupid "virus" FUD started.
It's a superb marketing ploy by Microsoft:
1: Say what do you see when you look through your Windows?
2: A Vista?
1: Exactly. But what if your Windows lacked all the substance?
2: Wow, I could see right through them?
1: Right, and what would you get if your graphical engine could draw see through windows?
2: WOW! A translucent windows theme!!! *ASSPLODE!!*
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
At the rate they're stripping stuff out of Longhorn by the time they actually ship it I'll be able to run it on my PII-266.
Sorry Michael Dell, I get to put off buying that new machine. Again.
A lot of times, slashdot posters are incorrect. And editors often don't even read the links they push to the front page, to be read by millions of people.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
If you read the article, or had been following this at all, you would know that Monad wasn't being included in Vista anyway. More importantly, both Windows Vista and Longhorn are STILL IN BETA!
So, people are complaining that Microsoft are removing a product from vista (not true - they removed it some time ago so that they could get it right) because of virus threats (not true - read the article - they're just malicious scripts, which have been around for years on Unix/Linux and will always be there on any OS with an advanced shell) and finally they're being criticised for having a beta product that isn't complete yet (ridiculous!)
Having a misleading article much like this Slashdot one is precisely what is wrong with todays technology world - people take facts and glue them together in their own (misleadingly incorrect) way. Get over old prejudices and grow up!
Wheee.... watch me get modded down
In what the world has proclaimed to be one of the most tautological summaries ever, Slashdot today confirmed that server operating systems are intended to run on servers with codenames that contain the word "server".
:-)
I feel I have just bitten on a rather large hook. Even the editors are trolls these days
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
It's obvious from Stephen Toulouse's blog and from anyone who has followed the development of Monad that the poster has totally misrepresented what is going on. MSFT is not anyone's friend, but Slashdot needs to monitor this stuff more carefully. Where were the flamers when Sun tried to trademark the word "enterprise" a few years back? A great silence.
So if I make a demonstration virus with a .BAT file, can I get Microsoft to leave the MS-DOS shell out too?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Why not just use cygwin?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
We've known for over a month that Monad wasn't going to make it in Longhorn, aka Vista.
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http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,18
The real reason is that MS hasn't been able to get it to work well enough to put in there.
The fact that it's insecure is well... since when has Microsoft products ever been secure?? Like releasing insecure program has ever been a problem for them? in the past? I think not!
It's too bad in a way. If they had gotten to work, if it could be secure, well, I rather liked the ideas behind it. It certainly would have more useful than WinFS or a fancy-dancy new interface.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1826153,00.a
Steven
I saw a demo of Monad in March up in Redmond, given by their chief in-house Linux guy, an ex-IBM guy and founder of eToys.com (R.I.P.), Bill Hilf. It would be ironic if this shell was so insecure, having come from guys that are so experienced with *nix-like security.
.NET programming framework. It'd be nice if they can get the security bugs/features worked out and deliver it to the 95% of us that actually use Windows for day-to-day productivity.
As for functionality, the shell looked really cool. It had a lot of *nix-like features on steroids, and integrated nicely with the
As far as i can see they've removed almost anything that could be called a new feature. All that will be left is new drm capabilities that benefit M$ and the RIAA. They should give the thing away for free.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
Hmm.. I guess I got all excited about Longhorn a couple of yrs ago over nothing.
Its a bit disappointing that they will not be including a lot of the proposed features. But maybe they are trying a new approach. Its better to not release a product at all, rather than release a half assed product that will need updates every month.
The strength of the MS OS is in its Desktop users, not its Server users. They shouldn't forget that. Having advanced features on something as useful as a shell interface available only for its server release is pretty much saying that these users are dumb. The new OS might please the avg Joe with its fancy interface, but I think I'll stick with XP.
Sorry Bill, but you lost my new $$'s
Not only did the poster say that Monad was removed from Vista because of the "virus" threat (which, as you pointed out, Monad was not going to ship with Vista anyway), the other link that says "it will be included on a major server operating system for servers" (which doesn't make sense in the first place) actually says Monad will ship with Exchange 12. Exchange is not an operating system (duh).
I was disappointed when it was first announced that Monad wouldn't ship in Vista, but I'm still holding out hope that it'll be a freely-available download when it does ship With Exchange. Also, Monad is currently not targetted directly to Vista. It runs on XP, 2k3, and 2000, and might even run on 98 (can't verify that one). The important thing is that you shouldn't need to buy a new OS to get a good shell.
The author is pretty clear that the reported virii had ZERO effect on the choice to include monad or not.
Yet somehow the submitter was able to conclude "...because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista.". Will wonders ever cease to exist!
Install cygwin instead! www.cygwin.com or, better yet.. USE a UNIX flavor!
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microsoft would remove the rest of the operating system they might have a secure product to sell :P
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Of all the features of Vista this was the only one I didn't like, a powerful script system easy to program and with access to all the system, 'ideal for sysadmins'. It's like putting a big sign that says 'hack meeee!!! hack me hard!!!'. Let's face it, Microsoft it's not good at all when it comes to security. If all that hard work in Monad could have been spent in making a CSS compliant IE... what a shame. Promise a revolution, then deliver XP service pack 3.
P.D: I only ask one thing to Microsoft, please make Monad easy to disable if in the future it's included in a service pack. And don't use it for critical things like updates or whatever...
Btw, for the next windows use the codename 'Empty Shell' to be closer to the truth.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein.
The article was factually incorrect, even though it linked to correct articles, cited in the parent post. This 'story' seems no more than a waste of everyone's time, yet the submitter that pointed this out is (presently) modded down to -1.
Read up: MS isn't 100% bad. They have some good stuff and good policies sometimes. Don't complain about them point blank to improve your ego, you'll be the kid that called wolf too many times.
Monad has been rumored to be out of Vista for quite a while:
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If you read the text of the story from the MS guy, he never implies that it was removed b/c of security breaches. Oh wait, forgot about the
its seems crazy to me to remove the security hole from one, yet include it on the server where the maximum disruption is likely to be caused.
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Let me get this straight:
They took out:
File versioning
WinFS (my guess is they used GPL code from ReiserFS or XFS and afraid they'll get caught violating the GPL)
Monad (aka bash + DOS + VBScript, but mainly bash)
MSIE 7
What's left? A nice new pretty skin? A sidebar, which has already been cloned by a GPL project for a couple of years now? One or two new drivers? A Firefox and Opera clone?
Thanks. I'll stick with SuSE Linux which has been moving forward by leaps and bounds, plus I don't have to deal with Microsoft's idiotic EULA (think you can void my right to resell the license if I decide not to run Windows any more? Fuck you. Force me to activate but don't let me de-activate for reinstall or transfer of license? Fuck you, Billy-boy!).
Microsoft can keep Windows Vista, er, I mean Windows XP SE.
No software hole is exploited; the viruses are no more dangerous than any arbitrary piece of code running on your system.
Since when do viruses need to exploit software holes or gain elevated privileges? Remeber the old COM and EXE infectors? All that was required - all that is required - for them to be 'viruses' is to replicate. Some do so in a destructive fashion; the better ones leave the host file completely functional. They only thing they exploit is the design of the executable file format. Viruses aren't even required to be 'harmful', beyond the harm of unauthorized code executing and replicating on your systems.
...the so-called "viruses" are nothing more than malicious scripts.
COM and EXE infectors are nothing more than malicious executable files.
They're the same as any other executable file.
Exactly!
How about this one: .sig virus. Copy me to your .sig file to help me spread!
I am a
It's been common knowledge for some time now that Monad would NOT be included in Vista, but either in a later version or in Exchange Server or some other Microsoft server product.
All this article says is that some bozo at Microsoft has said the same thing vis-a-vis the virus concepts being reported in some hacker zines (see related
This article should be treated as nothing more than an "update" of the Monad virus article - and not much of an update at that given it's old news.
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Why the hell has the parent been modded down to -1? That's absurd. Should be at least 3.
-- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
That's right. If you can't fix it, NIX IT!
Hey now, don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good MS bashing on Slashdot.
If they keep removing things from the OS, they'll be sending out blank CDs in a box... and thats only if the box cant be copied.
I wish you and your rational-thinking ilk would get the hell off slashdot. You're ruining all our M$ bashing and hot-buttoned emotionalism!
I think I speak for the majority of slashdot when I say we are here to be told what to think, not to think for ourselves.
Since the entirety of the linked articles have been egregiously misrepresented by the summary text, I would like to add a few more claims.
Monad has already cured cancer, you need only purchase Windows Vista to innoculate yourself.
Monad is an anagram for NadMo, which is Bill Gates' name for his Johnson.
Monad is also an anagram for "O, Damn!" which is funnier in Old English than Japanese.
The terrifying virus that terrified Microsoft into pulling Monad was written by a Linux sleeper cell with a creamy terrorist nucleus. This terrorist cell is headed by none other than Osama Bin Linus. This terrorist attack has also led to the current teenage urban dance craze known as "Pulling the Monad."
Monad would rate this post as +5 "More accurate than the summary."
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If they are going to remove every element of Vista that contains massive, gaping, security holes, then I guess we can look forward to a $200 minsweeper boot disk.
...as opposed to, say, a major server operating system for toasters.
It was found that a user thru a careful combination could induce the keyboard to cause the operating system to react in unpredictable ways.
:).
Latest reports are that all keyboard devices will be prevented from attaching to the new Microsoft operating system for users.
Server systems which have no need for such a device will still be able to use it, possibly in ways so that easier crafting of shell macro's as long as there not called virus.bat
Servers make way better zombies than home PCs.
Thank you very much, willy.
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Ok, so they pulled gonad some time back. Point made. Other than enhanced DRM, what was the reason to upgrade again?
And I thought they were being sued for the name Vista? Why not make up another cheesy name, spend the time doing so and then include the Monad Shell.
Go to the w3.org and put Slashdot.org through the validator.
It isn't even named "My Computer" anymore! So the version number will read as different on the properties for... "Computer".
And people claim Microsoft doesn't offer incentives to upgrade. Pfft.
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MS finally does what everyone complains that they don't do, not ship softare until they have covered all security aspects, andwhat do we get? Slashdotters making fun and pointing fingers. I am not an MS fan, but I am also not two faced.
If someone writes a virus causing harm to the infamous BSOD (Blue Screen of Death), will microsoft pull it out?
Looks like Microsoft is giving into the terrorists!
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But now Windows seems less and less likely to have Monad.
What was MS thinking? Windows and monads just don't mix.
And "Cairo" will be out by 1996.
We've heard this story before.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
If you want access to WGF, you're pretty much forced to get longhorn, because it won't be released for Windows XP. For non-gamers that probably isn't a problem though.
Where's that MS apologist who was telling me that no, really, Longhorn is going to be more than a few new wizards and a bubblier-shinier UI? Damn, if only I could remember his handle. He assured me that hey, Monad was still in.
Heh. It's fun to be right once in a while.
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Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Hi,
/. submit story item and hopefully we will see an update to the story soon.
;>
Thanks for all those who pointed out I never said what the submission is commenting on. I have submitted a correction to the
And as for all the other Windows Vista comments in the thread: Thanks for the feedback, we'll take it under advisement.
S.
http://www.stepto.com
Microsoft PHB: So, who really cares about this feature? Power users? Bleh, they're all hackers anyhow. Not worth fixing, easier to just pull the feature. NEXT QUESTION!
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
No wait...
apt-get remove monad
Yep, that felt better
First WinFS, now Monad. Anyone willing to bet on what goes out next before Vista is released?
Dont waste you time reading stupid sigs like this.
If people keep finding vulnerabilities in "Vista" before it's released, then maybe we can get Microsoft to take Explorer out of the release :-P
Ok we've been seen the reverse-feature creep so MS can release this late next year. At this point there sounds like there is little difference between XP and Vista besides cosmetics. Funny thing is you know the damm DRM will make the cut. Bastards...
Slashdot has always been anti-microsoft, and in most cases zealously so, but this is just taking it too far. Many valid points are made here, but if the community wants to keep its self-respect, it makes no sense to allow blatantly inflammatory and untrue stories to come across the front page like this. I am a beta tester for Monad. it is nothing special - wmic + cmd + more scripting abilities. msh is not ready for prime time. I can't honestly believe that we're now bashing microsoft in the damned if they do damned if they don't way. They don't release it because it's not ready - the bastards can't write a program! They do release it and it's not up to snuff. Damn them! They released more faulty software!
I understand the nature of slashdot. I used to be one of the linux zealots prowling the area. I read the front page and, very rarely, the articles. Not quite sure what made me do it this time. But letting disinformation such as this leak to the front page scares me, when useful stories from people are ignored all the time.
Maybe if we can find exploits in Avalon and the other core pieces of the OS, we can keep them from shipping the whole damned thing! :)
I had no idea. Microsoft's currently got a handheld os for handhelds, and a desktop OS for handhelds and desktops and servers, but they haven't released a server OS that I know of... or are they counting Interix?
Who is dumb enough to keep getting the wool pulled over their eyes? I dare anyone to prove how XP is any more improved over 2000. Now we here Vista is going to be nothing more than XP with the service packs applied and a little ram company friendly eye candy.
Granted -- the MEMORY companies must love the fact that people are so blind. The additional RAM requirements between Windows versions is the biggest thing I have noticed. And to be honest with you, a few months ago I sat down at a Windows 98 machine to get some printouts and surf the interweb a bit and do some SSH stuff on the HPUX box's at work). Sad part is that I did not have any discomforts out of the ordinary from my usual 2000 or XP "forays" at work. As a matter of fact everything seemed to run faster a smoother than I had seen from a windows machine in a few years.....(And the machine only had 128 MB ram)
I have gotten pretty agnostic about operating systems in the last few years in my transition from uber-geek to professional interweb surfer, but it does not take a rocket scientist to see that the OS inovation timeline is about as speedy as the space program.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
This is going into my quote file.
is it just me or have you guys missed the true release date of "longhorn"? it will get released along with twinads, i.e. version "2" of "vista".
think of the big broad picture, why waste your time with only MONad!
... it helps to go to a reliable source. I've found Microsoft Watch to be a good check on both flamers and fanboyz -- a good example in this case would be the article about this whole topic. Hype-free, it's like the anti-CNET.
rimshot :-)
What you were expecting him to pay attention, READ articles, incite flamewars, AND be Accurate?
You people and your expectations.
Can't you see, your words are taking what little joy this man gets out of life, and stomping on it?
Oh.
You can. I see.
Well, that's it then.
OSGGFG - Open Source Gamers Guide to Free Games
The news.com article with the link, "virus target not in vista"? No implications there. We now return you to your daily dose of truth M$ style.
Hi everyone, Stephen Toulouse here. ... Its hard to predict what type of malicious software criminals might develop to attack future versions of operating systems. But rest assured were on the case! The MSRC will be here to investigate and provide the guidance to help protect customers no matter what attacks may impact customers.
The rest of his blog goes on to brag about how Microsoft Users are perfectly safe. Just to prove the point, that buggy new shell won't be there.
In the last 12 minutes, 1/2 of the "unpatched" Windozed boxes were owned by crackers. Perfectly safe indeed.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
In related news, Microsoft decides to remove all IE vulnerabilities from the Home Edition of Windows Vista, but decides that "business just wouldn't be the same if we removed them from the Server Edition".
With all of the add-ons and enhancements Longhorn was supposed to bring to the table being yanked (the new file system, MONAD, metadata, etc) what is the point of this OS besides graphical enhancements and bug/security fixes?
From what I can tell its not going to offer much in terms of the new features. Most of the *remaining* cutting edge stuff has already been ported into XP (i.e. the security console in SP2).
"On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
Doesn't dropping Monad (Star Trek quote: "I...am...Monad!") mean that they're be sticking with DOS? The most famously targeted shell of all time? The CLI that makes veterans of other CLIs cringe in disgust? It seems like *anything* to replace DOS would be a win, even if it exploded on install, at least it would DO something.
i'd never heard the name of this shell before. what a terrible shame. one could actually make a lovely shell out of monads. in fact that sort of what they are...but instead they apparently just used the name, because it was...what, cool? i've always just hated them from a distance, but this is actually offensive.
Vista has been neutered. Oh wait, you said Monad
That's an odd way of describing a new server OS from Microsoft. ;)
Will they be removing Internet Explorer?
Will they be removing Outlook Express?
Will they be removing "regular users with full access"?
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
Originally I was excited about the news of what Monad might let me do... script actions which can only be half done with batch files.
This seemed like a good idea to me, something with equal power to bash, but in windows. How wrong:
1) it's not a shell, its a runtime
2) its now announced that it's not going to be included
So, is this Redmond just trying to do away with the command prompt all together and have everything run from the browser?
I'm quite pissed off about this, now the release dates are getting futher away. Why don't I just have all the config saved on a Samba share and run the batch through linux... like it should be.
Why UNIX?
So really, why the hell should I buy Windows Vista? It seems every time I read something about it, they are removing a part of it! What will be the difference from Windows XP??
Windows Vista - the world's long awaited favourite operating system *cough* - has finally set it's release date for January 2006 and guess what. It's the worlds smallest operating system - utilizing only 0 bytes, Windows Vista installs nothing at all effectively making it the worlds most secure operating system to date. Seriously, if they keep retracting stuff it's gonna be even more shit than it is already :). But maybe I'm biased. I hope it makes the go buuuust.
it won't be on machines everyone will use but only on machines that safeguard your personal data, handles nuclear materials, and manages powergrids. Of course, what sort of moronic logic that is, I don't know. Hey. I've got no opinion here. I'm only posting the obvious fault in logic.
Sounds like it's fancy graphics and a improved search function.
They add something powerful to their OS but the implementation is poor and creates security problems.
The problem is that they design things to be easy and painless to use. Thing is security and restrictions annoy users, so these get left out.
the same tactic could be used to get IE out of Vista (TM)
With a snazzy logo on it.
WINDOWS VIIISTAAAA!!!!
NT 5.1.1
Remember folks, slashdot doesn't have a -1 "disagree" moderation!
who have ditched XP in favor of Gentoo... linux that is. Many have gone with Macs. I've used Server 2003. The moment you enable all the features you'd need anyways, you're right back to square 1. Most common users (lat. Redneckius Fatassus Couchpotatius) will not enjoy having to add sites, and will likely add the bad sites and phishing pharms to their allowed list anyways. And you're back to square 1.
" What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler