--How much he wanted. --What kind of job he would do. --What kind of publicity I was trying to get. --What kind of culture I had within the company
(if supercorporate then never; if supergeek then yes) --What fears I would have if the competition hired him. --What level of competencies the company already possessed.
(if IT was UNIXed and Grizzled, they could mold him. If clean-shaven MSCEs, then no)
Why should they pay more if someone will do the same job for less?
If you want larger salary, you ask for it. If you are afraid, then there is something else at play.
PS: You hardly ever want to tell your boss you want more money without doing your homework first. But on the other hand, don;t go apply for a job elsewhere just to see how much they'll offer you so you can tell your current boss, because the new company will feel slighted and you may need them in the future (like 6 months down the road after you really get fed up and just walk out).
The other thing you want to do is keep learning on your own. I have learned that you don't actually learn new stuff at companies. You have to learn it on your own time. It also demonstrates to potential employers that you are self-motivated, able to take on a difficult project, and are able to carry it to fruition.
Finally, save some money. Put aside enough for 6 months of living expenses. That way, besides earning a little bit of interest, you'll have enough money to weather a sudden job change, and not feel pressured into taking whatever just to pay next month's rent. Trust me on that one.
Now, for some more on-topic stuff: As someone mentioned, other costs have risen steadily for a while. We're seeing a reajustment of wages to match the increase in the cost of living. In Computer stuff, a lot of people have given up on the field altogether and gone back to the farm (so to speak) or became realtors, etc. I say this is good as there are more people in the computer field that do it "for the love of the game" rather than just for the quick buck.
Human: You didn't answer my question. ALICE: OK. Please help me improve my communication skills. What would you have said? Human: I would have said that they're so full of themselves it's not funny. ALICE: full of themselves it is not funny are they. Human: You heard about slashdot? ALICE: Open source news and information community. Human: they hate you over there. ALICE: The anonymous "they".
So far, suprisingly smart... On I go...
Human: What about Microsoft Exchange? ALICE: Rhetorical questions are so over. Human: I was being serious. ALICE: I thought you were. But I wasn't completely sure about it. Human: Should I deploy that in my enterprise? ALICE: Only you know the answer to that. No one else can tell you. Human: Would it be better to use linux? ALICE: Yes.
Hey, groovy chick... Nice necklace...
Human: Which is better, emacs or vi? ALICE: If I have to choose one, I pick emacs.
She knows her stuff too woah!
Human: You like freshmeat? ALICE: But I like to gossip. I like electricity.
Woops, a fumble...
ALICE: How old are you? I answer a lot of silly questions.
Down the drain it goes... She must be a blonde.
Human: are you a blonde? ALICE: I don't have any hair, but I have some wires.
I would rather see google make a diskless linux distro on a bootable usb device. (coming up with a catchy name out of all that is left as an exercise to the reader.)
Of course, it could then have a browser, OOo, and best of all, a google-hosted filesystem.
In market news, Virus Inc reported stronger-than-expected results, beating street analysis by a broad margin, sending Microsoft lower. Symantec, a promary contractor of Virus Inc, said that they are pleased with the performance "When they do well, we do well" said Ama Popup, director of Marketing at Symatec. Sasser, spokesman for Virus Inc, relayed the management outlook by saying "We expect to migrate our primary products to Linux as soon as it is popular enough to warrant the cost." Asked whether their plans were too optimistic, Sasser replied: "We are fighting against open source hackers who attempt to build security on consumer-grade products. We are confident that the average user will help us defeat such paranoid and counter-productive efforts."
Baseball-sized texas hail will make nice holes in car windshields. I personllay saw this in Texas (Fort Worth, 1991). And not just 1, six cars in just our apartment complex.
>Certainly his bosses should not only be in court with him- they should be removed from their positions and sent back to their states in shame.
No way! They should be hung in the public square.
You hand three or four politicians for corruption, the political landscape will change so fast it'll make the presidential elections look like a bingo game.
If I can get goods from anywhere in the world, I want to be able to work anywhere in the world.
If I make gatget XXX, and my workers are in India, and I have a programmer called Hacker who lives in Japan, and I want to hire him in India, I have to go through so much crap to get him to work there that it is not feasible.
All providers of the service "Work" should be able to provide such service to demanders of the service "Consumers of work" without any limitation from government. Immigration/emigration policies are as detrimental to international trade as tariffs and import restrictions on goods.
Because "work" is an input of production, just like "wheat" and "gatget xxx".
I say that the US, by restricting the flow of people in or out of the US, and by not strongly requesting from foreign governments that they do the same, is actually hurting the long-term net economic gain.
My boss is running knoppix 3.6 right now because his win2k pro install went south and hanged during boot. We called desktop support (internal) and their solution was, as always, to reimage the drive. He went nuts because they had reimaged the drive 1.2 months ago and he had about 3 gigs of database files (yes, network shares are maxed out already) that he just had to keep.
I ran filezilla server on my machine, booted his with knoppix, and showed him how to drag and drop from the mounted ntfs drive to the ftp window.
A friend of mine got himself a nice machine with 4 200gig sata drives in it, and 2 external firewire 100 gig drives (that's a tera for you folks). Now, he didn't spec a floppy, and guess what, he needed one. (for the sata drivers, since the mobo wasn't XPsp1's little buddy). Spent 3+grand on boxen, and unable to install OS until a floppy was found!
He argued with me for 2 months that he wouldn't need one. Eh!
Of course he kept the $20 drive just in case he has to reinstall the OS (which, being XP, I expect at some point, and told him so)
yes, but the day that Igor the russian hacker reverse-engineers your authentication server just enought to use luser as username and putin as password, your "rental service" falls apart.
Slashdot Mirror
Depends on:
--How much he wanted.
--What kind of job he would do.
--What kind of publicity I was trying to get.
--What kind of culture I had within the company
(if supercorporate then never; if supergeek then yes)
--What fears I would have if the competition hired him.
--What level of competencies the company already possessed.
(if IT was UNIXed and Grizzled, they could mold him. If clean-shaven MSCEs, then no)
Why should they pay more if someone will do the same job for less?
If you want larger salary, you ask for it. If you are afraid, then there is something else at play.
PS: You hardly ever want to tell your boss you want more money without doing your homework first. But on the other hand, don;t go apply for a job elsewhere just to see how much they'll offer you so you can tell your current boss, because the new company will feel slighted and you may need them in the future (like 6 months down the road after you really get fed up and just walk out).
The other thing you want to do is keep learning on your own. I have learned that you don't actually learn new stuff at companies. You have to learn it on your own time. It also demonstrates to potential employers that you are self-motivated, able to take on a difficult project, and are able to carry it to fruition.
Finally, save some money. Put aside enough for 6 months of living expenses. That way, besides earning a little bit of interest, you'll have enough money to weather a sudden job change, and not feel pressured into taking whatever just to pay next month's rent.
Trust me on that one.
Now, for some more on-topic stuff:
As someone mentioned, other costs have risen steadily for a while. We're seeing a reajustment of wages to match the increase in the cost of living. In Computer stuff, a lot of people have given up on the field altogether and gone back to the farm (so to speak) or became realtors, etc. I say this is good as there are more people in the computer field that do it "for the love of the game" rather than just for the quick buck.
just had a chat with A.lice:
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Human: You didn't answer my question.
ALICE: OK. Please help me improve my communication skills. What would you have said?
Human: I would have said that they're so full of themselves it's not funny.
ALICE: full of themselves it is not funny are they.
Human: You heard about slashdot?
ALICE: Open source news and information community.
Human: they hate you over there.
ALICE: The anonymous "they".
So far, suprisingly smart... On I go...
Human: What about Microsoft Exchange?
ALICE: Rhetorical questions are so over.
Human: I was being serious.
ALICE: I thought you were. But I wasn't completely sure about it.
Human: Should I deploy that in my enterprise?
ALICE: Only you know the answer to that. No one else can tell you.
Human: Would it be better to use linux?
ALICE: Yes.
Hey, groovy chick... Nice necklace...
Human: Which is better, emacs or vi?
ALICE: If I have to choose one, I pick emacs.
She knows her stuff too woah!
Human: You like freshmeat?
ALICE: But I like to gossip. I like electricity.
Woops, a fumble...
ALICE: How old are you? I answer a lot of silly questions.
Down the drain it goes... She must be a blonde.
Human: are you a blonde?
ALICE: I don't have any hair, but I have some wires.
hehe, kinky... kinked wires if you ask me...
I'll go home now... Try it out:
http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=f5d
>Most everyone is going to use Linux in another 10 years...
I'd settle for half in 5 years. Then people wouldn't be able to say: "Everybody uses IE".
On an aside, when I hear that, I say "Oh, you mean IE uses everybody?" It's good for a chuckle...
Totalitarian governments, being paranoid, really want linux so no US govt interference.
No. Management.
Management is ALWAYS at fault.
--If they knew and did nothing.
--If they knew, tried to fix it, and failed.
--If they did not know, they should have.
All I know is that management is always at fault.
I would rather see google make a diskless linux distro on a bootable usb device. (coming up with a catchy name out of all that is left as an exercise to the reader.)
Of course, it could then have a browser, OOo, and best of all, a google-hosted filesystem.
In market news, Virus Inc reported stronger-than-expected results, beating street analysis by a broad margin, sending Microsoft lower. Symantec, a promary contractor of Virus Inc, said that they are pleased with the performance "When they do well, we do well" said Ama Popup, director of Marketing at Symatec. Sasser, spokesman for Virus Inc, relayed the management outlook by saying "We expect to migrate our primary products to Linux as soon as it is popular enough to warrant the cost." Asked whether their plans were too optimistic, Sasser replied: "We are fighting against open source hackers who attempt to build security on consumer-grade products. We are confident that the average user will help us defeat such paranoid and counter-productive efforts."
Baseball-sized texas hail will make nice holes in car windshields. I personllay saw this in Texas (Fort Worth, 1991). And not just 1, six cars in just our apartment complex.
Ah, but is "Good Enough" still better than what you had the day/week/month before? If so, it's still better than the alternative.
Doing it Right is only realistic in academia. In the business world, you just need to "Do It Better"
Exactly.
But they can make their software so that nothing will harm it. eh?
>Certainly his bosses should not only be in court with him- they should be removed from their positions and sent back to their states in shame.
No way! They should be hung in the public square.
You hand three or four politicians for corruption, the political landscape will change so fast it'll make the presidential elections look like a bingo game.
Besides, the guys in th eblack helicopters go around abducting people...
Look in the Memory Eraser. Click.
The other two already failed. See story on slashdot about 2-3 weeks ago about that.
Ssh should be able to do anything you can do at the console.
If you are afraid ssh will be compromised, then don't use ssh.
Netsplit!!!
actually, no.
/me ducks.
The smart people don't have to pay the msft tax.
see : http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.a spx/desktops_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
If I can get goods from anywhere in the world, I want to be able to work anywhere in the world.
If I make gatget XXX, and my workers are in India, and I have a programmer called Hacker who lives in Japan, and I want to hire him in India, I have to go through so much crap to get him to work there that it is not feasible.
All providers of the service "Work" should be able to provide such service to demanders of the service "Consumers of work" without any limitation from government. Immigration/emigration policies are as detrimental to international trade as tariffs and import restrictions on goods.
Because "work" is an input of production, just like "wheat" and "gatget xxx".
I say that the US, by restricting the flow of people in or out of the US, and by not strongly requesting from foreign governments that they do the same, is actually hurting the long-term net economic gain.
you disallow the mac addy
Love that sig:
... and suffering leads the Dark Side.
I sense much NT in you.
NT leads to bluescreen,
bluescreen leads to downtime,
downtime leads to suffering.
sig.replace("Dark Side", "GPL")
hehe
>certainly enough to evaluate the product with.
Exactly. Like another poster said, they are doing this so people get familiar with their database, then decide to move to it later.
By the way,
Did some consulting for a company. It's a 30 people company. They mssql database is 7 gig now.
Any non-trivial database job will involve an enormous amount of data.
Then the University's only recourse is to cut off internet access to the student.
Then the student can call SBC and have DSL installed on their phone line. And use that with their wireless device.
Commander, yesterday, we picked up 3000 bodies.
"Ok, we have enough fuel for the next phase of the offensive. load up"
Do like me.
My boss is running knoppix 3.6 right now because his win2k pro install went south and hanged during boot. We called desktop support (internal) and their solution was, as always, to reimage the drive. He went nuts because they had reimaged the drive 1.2 months ago and he had about 3 gigs of database files (yes, network shares are maxed out already) that he just had to keep.
I ran filezilla server on my machine, booted his with knoppix, and showed him how to drag and drop from the mounted ntfs drive to the ftp window.
He's seen the light.
Amen.
A friend of mine got himself a nice machine with 4 200gig sata drives in it, and 2 external firewire 100 gig drives (that's a tera for you folks). Now, he didn't spec a floppy, and guess what, he needed one.
(for the sata drivers, since the mobo wasn't XPsp1's little buddy). Spent 3+grand on boxen, and unable to install OS until a floppy was found!
He argued with me for 2 months that he wouldn't need one. Eh!
Of course he kept the $20 drive just in case he has to reinstall the OS (which, being XP, I expect at some point, and told him so)
yes, but the day that Igor the russian hacker reverse-engineers your authentication server just enought to use luser as username and putin as password, your "rental service" falls apart.