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Hurricanes Affecting Spammers?

Ant writes "According to BusinessWeek Online's article, Lots of folks think the hurricane hits in Florida, the Sunshine (and Spam!) State have taken slowed the volume of spam." I've not noticed any decrease.

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  1. I dont get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They know who many of these guys are, and where they live/work. Why are they still in business sending spam? If the Gummint doesn't want to do anything about them maybe some kind locals will break their legs for us in exchange for Hurricane donations...

  2. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're spamming from inside the hurricane proof Dome Home?

    1. Re:Maybe by markennis · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's nature's way of making sure that the Nov. 2 elections won't be screwed up by that state. If everybody is evacuated, there won't be anybody left to vote.

    2. Re:Maybe by strictfoo · · Score: 1

      although it's a joke, it's kind of an interesting point.

      Late last week there were still some people who hadn't had their power restored from the previous hurricane. With all the damage that has been caused (with more possibly on the way - here comes Hurricane Jeanne) there will still be many buildings that need to be repaired well into November. Who knows what the state of repair will be for the election infrastructure at that point?

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    3. Re:Maybe by strictfoo · · Score: 1

      I meant to through this link in there as well:

      Jeanne Wind Speed Forecast - by the time it gets near florida it will most likely have 100mph+ winds.

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    4. Re:Maybe by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothin' like "takin' the wind out of their sails" or sales...

      I hear there are people on the east coast saying the same thing, that the damage to Fla is to rectify the theft of votes.

      But, if Ivan the Terrible hit/s Louisiana and turned it to LOOuisiana, would that mean this is to wipe out voodoo or something?

      Might be interesting if Louisiana and Florida were adjacents states. Imagine combining Voodoo and Spam...

      VooDam

      When that shit hits your inbox...

      'VOODAMN!"

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    5. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like this is some new thing happening to Florida. There have always been hurricanes and Ivan barely even touched Florida. Also, since most polling places (at least in NY) are in schools that also are used as evacuation centers I don't see why there should be any issue.

    6. Re:Maybe by strictfoo · · Score: 1

      I know it's not some new thing, but they're getting hit pretty hard this year. And you're statement about Ivan missing Florida is incorrect. Ivan hit the panhandle of Florida pretty hard. 300,000 are without power there.

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    7. Re:Maybe by flycrg · · Score: 1, Funny

      We must all realize something though. In actuality there is no Florida, just Southern Georgia, Northern Cuba and the New York Colony. Unfortunately, I'm on the border between Southern Georgia and the New York Colony

    8. Re:Maybe by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Old people are set in their ways. They don't want to evacuate therefore the elections will still be screwed up.

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    9. Re:Maybe by Trailwalker · · Score: 2, Funny
      300,000 are without power there
      The way votes are counted in Florida, its more than 300,000.
    10. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're statement

      "your".

    11. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think Florida will have the same problems this time around since they rolled out the Fisher-Price Voting Machines.

    12. Re:Maybe by strictfoo · · Score: 1

      damn't your right! :P

      (yes, that was intentional)

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  3. Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by garcia · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the blurb:
    I've not noticed any decrease.

    From the article:
    But daily results posted by MessageLabs, Earthlink (ELNK), and Symantec (SYMC) showed little correlation.

    And neither has anyone else. It was only a single institution that claimed their weekly spam traffic was down 100 million messages. The article mentions that two top 10 spammers remained in the top 10 even during the storms. They even (hopefully) jokingly claim it was a heroic effort.

    1. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by Nos. · · Score: 1

      The article mentions that two top 10 spammers remained in the top 10 even during the storms
      The worst part being, they're probably very proud of this fact. BTW... nice subject... I always loved that line.

    2. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by morcego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, of course I have not RTFA.

      On the other hand, I have noticed a slight decrease on the number of spams both me and my clients receive during the last 5 days. Something like 3-10% decrease.

      On the other hand, this have happened before, even with no hurricanes looming over Florida.

      This kind of assumption if very dangerous. Just because for some reason we have some decline on the number of spams, it doesn't mean any single facts from the news is responsible by it. Anything, including a heavy spammer motherboard burning can be responsible by it. This kind of thing is very hard, if not impossible, to prove.

      And we can predict (*crystal ball growing*) that the number of spams will increase again soon.

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    3. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just more racist propaganda from known hatemonger "garcia".

    4. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is true. I run servers with hundreds of domains. As soon as people started to evacuate, I have had multiple emails stream in asking what I've done because thier spam has been cut in half. We have the same filters in place as always.

      I've noticed my own email cut by more than half. The feds need to get into Florida, I suspect this place is a spam hub!

    5. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      ---
      From the article:
      But daily results posted by MessageLabs, Earthlink (ELNK), and Symantec (SYMC) showed little correlation.

      And neither has anyone else. It was only a single institution that claimed their weekly spam traffic was down 100 million messages
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      That single institution was Postini, a more important source than the ones listed above. I work for another major filtering company, and Postini is one of our direct competitors. We do well over 100 million inbound messages per day, and I can also attest that there was a significant drop-off in spam (I'm not at liberty to give you a number, but it was millions of messages per day) over that hurricane weekend and the days immediately following it.

      We and Postini have it right, the others don't. We, like Postini, focus our business on Enterprise clients. From this and our shared take on that major drop in spam, one could reasonably conclude that Florida spammers are more focused on the Enterprise as well, but from the other side.

      Consider the ones who showed little (not "no") correlation: Earthlink is mostly used by home users, not Enterprise users. It's possible (I don't know) that ML and Symantec have a more mixed customer base than we do.

      Also, note that while the article weakly claims that hurricanes weren't the cause, it advances no alternate theory.

      Finally, an anecdotal piece of evidence: over that weekend, I tried to access a couple of mirror sites that were in Florida, and they were down. I'm sure a lot of spammers' servers also were, no matter what may be claimed publicly.

      The article blew it. Really. The Florida spammers had to have been in evacuation shelters and/or without power for several days and couldn't spam effectively. It shows up very clearly in the stats. They are pretty much back to normal now.

    6. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None the less, most of the spam we get comes from out of control USA corporations that pay people to hijack computers or rent space from "friendly" countries at arms length.

      The solution to spam is intolerance, we tolerate it from our companies and ISPs, then gripe about it. Have your ISP block a spam source and many will gripe.

      In the "old" days I could get an ISP tossed offline for 7-20 days to think about spamming. With sufficient appologies they could get back on line.

      Today ISPs assign network blocks to spammers, then to legitimate business. Just block them and tell the sender to us a different ISP. It is a new trend and often works. When your management isn't spineless. Most users love it.

      But for the vocal minority - hope management supports you. If you are a end user, use Earthlink and others who take spam seriously and stay away from uunet, easylink, SBC, ExecPC and others who often are wolves in sheeps clothing.

    7. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 1

      spam traced to location (would-be-flamers: i don't know the accuracy, methods, etc... it was on memepool.com, just posting for relevancy)

      http://postini.com/stats/world-spam-2048.jpg

    8. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      My spam count has been way, way down for the last few days, and I was wondering why. I can't say why Earthlink didn't see similar stats, but I'm definitely seeing a change on my servers, and I've also seen a substantial drop in the amount of spam I get on both my work account and my mac.com account. The only thing I can imagine is that Earthlink's spam is artificially inflated to the point that any drop from one group of spammers is made up for by other spammers... probably as a result of their use of an autoresponder ("If you aren't a spammer, reply to this email") on most of their accounts.... :-)

      Here's a theory. One of the big sources of spam are random infected Windows machines. So far, Floridians have gained notoriety for being frequent victims of 419 scams, for not being able to figure out for themselves whether extended warranties are a good deal, and for not being able to figure out how to punch a ballot correctly. Any bets on whether they have a higher-than-average number of peope who can't secure a Windows machine adequately against viruses? :-)

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    9. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by MS · · Score: 1
      Look aut this annotated spamcop graph.

      The number of spam-reports sent by spamcop is surely related to the amount of spam received at various inboxes, although also affected by other variables (such as changings in the parser algorithm by spamcop).

      :-)
      ms

    10. Re:Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria! by mad_goldfish · · Score: 1

      Sure it's a spam hub, but is it the companies who've set up there or 5 million grannies with zombie PCs?

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  4. Hard evidence? by nuclear305 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Lots of folks think the hurricane hits in Florida, the Sunshine (and Spam!) State have taken slowed the volume of spam."

    Lots of folks think there are black helicopters poisoning the citizens of our country too, but that doesn't make it the slightest bit true.

    According to my Spam Stats (Coral Link) the level of spam going through my server is relatively steady.

    1. Re:Hard evidence? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1
      Lots of folks think there are black helicopters poisoning the citizens of our country too, but that doesn't make it the slightest bit true.

      MIB is that you?

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    2. Re:Hard evidence? by underpar · · Score: 2, Funny

      But.. internet newsgroups said so. That means it must be true. If you can't trust a newsgroup, who can you trust?

    3. Re:Hard evidence? by Tongo · · Score: 1

      Not it's not the black helicopters, it's the secret 747 flights leaving "chem trails" that are poinsoning the citizenry of this country. Jeeze, someones tin foil hat isn't working very well today.

    4. Re:Hard evidence? by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Besides, the guys in th eblack helicopters go around abducting people...

      Look in the Memory Eraser. Click.

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    5. Re:Hard evidence? by nuclear305 · · Score: 1

      It's not really a tinfoil hat failure, I was simply taking into account the fact that the story is usually twisted as it spreads

    6. Re:Hard evidence? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Duh... Do you fathom just how low a 747 would have to go to effectively "crop dust" a city?

      They'd either crash a la 9/11, or their special fragrances would likely only kill birds, and send THEM crashing into buildings.

      (Why just yesterday while eating my Whopper, a bird crashed about 10 feet above me into the window. There was a circular spider web, like a chip but not pronounced. I only saw a bird flying away, but it didn't crash to the ground.)

      Wind patterns, humidity, condensation, temperature, brightness and other factors would make pointless this mode of work. Even a news helo would only be effective for a bit until the police helos and DHLS teams arrived to shoot it down.

      No, amateur rockets, r/c planes, balloons (heheh, any R/C hot air balloons???) won't be too useful either.

      OK, the 747 bit must have been just a bad gag. He/she/it got me...

      But, if it is real, then such a plane should be brought down in the name of the public. Or, it should be harpooned with a tracker so we can see just where the hell it goes. Even easier/better, let's hire another nation's satellites to track the next one, if they can respond. If it's leaving a detectable, non-fuel/non-effluent trail, then maybe shoot it down without warning.

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    7. Re:Hard evidence? by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well if you can identify it as spam, why are you allowing it through your server?

    8. Re:Hard evidence? by SlashDread · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Lots of folks think there are black helicopters poisoning the citizens of our country too, but that doesn't make it the slightest bit true."

      True. Right now they are tied up poisoning the citizens of OTHER countries.

      "/Dread"

  5. The solution to spam! by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they think hurricanes in Florida did a decent job of taking out some spammers, they should wait 'til the next 6.0M+ earthquake hits Silicon Valley...

    1. Re:The solution to spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, wishing bad things to happen to people who you percieve to have differing views from you from someone who appears to believe in the Bible and its messege judging from your sig. Maybe you should get around to actually reading the Bible sometime especially the part about wishing ill upon others, you might not like where you end up if you continue to wish ill on others.

    2. Re:The solution to spam! by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      BUt yet hoping for one to hit Silicon Valley is okay? Makes sense, protect the homos but hate the spammers.

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  6. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well the solution to spam seems to be to wipe out Florida.

    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Solution to anything(Political/Economical/etc..) is to wipe out Florida.

    2. Re:Solution by da3dAlus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, my wife's theory is that God is telling Florida that they need to learn how to count. Doesn't matter for who, just learn.

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    3. Re:Solution by marika · · Score: 0

      spam + karma = hurricanes?

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    4. Re:Solution by value_added · · Score: 1

      "Solution to anything(Political/Economical/etc..) is to wipe out Florida."

      "Economical" ???

      My thought was, "That's right up there with "analyzation," "resignate," and "foreign-handed policy."

      But maybe you were being subliminable and I just didn't get the ironical parts.

    5. Re:Solution by rts008 · · Score: 1, Funny

      But then there would be no more Spring Break Girls Gone Wild videos...Floridas only redeeming product!

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    6. Re:Solution by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > "Economical" ???

      I hope you aren't suggesting that Economical isn't a real word.

  7. decrease? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, silly, spam is situated in California... The porn sites people sign up for are situated in Florida... Porn spam is down, overall spam is not.

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    1. Re:decrease? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      No, silly, spam is situated in California... The porn sites people sign up for are situated in Florida... Porn spam is down, overall spam is not.

      Well, hurricane Javier is somewhat near Cali right now. Maybe it'll take a fortunate turn northward? :-)

    2. Re:decrease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why I haven't gotten my daily porn updates yet today. The whole balance of my day has been thrown off. Stupid hurricane...

    3. Re:decrease? by ChuyMatt · · Score: 1

      Sorry for pointing this out, but that is BAJA california. A long way away from california proper. Mexico is having problems with Javier.

    4. Re:decrease? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      And Jeanne has just been upgraded from tropical storm to hurricane, now hitting the Dominican Republic.

    5. Re:decrease? by thegnu · · Score: 1

      Sorry for pointing this out

      That's good. You should be. Quit clouding the issue with facts.

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    6. Re:decrease? by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Was my quip about a "fortunate turn northward" not clear enough?!

    7. Re:decrease? by flycrg · · Score: 0

      decrease? hell all the messages I get are about how to increase, 3-5 inches!

    8. Re:decrease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that was a joke but before anyone takes it seriously, let it be known that it is extremely unlikely for any hurricane to strike California. The cold water currents down the coast make quick work of any tropical cyclones that would dare make the turn north. Too bad.

    9. Re:decrease? by bizard · · Score: 1
      No, silly, spam is situated in California... The porn sites people sign up for are situated in Florida

      So you are getting your porn from the retirement community and your prescription medication spam from Hollywood?

    10. Re:decrease? by vantango · · Score: 1

      Maybe Lower Trestles will get some decent swell if it stays off the coast a little longer.

  8. Funny, i just checked my yahoo account by nb+caffeine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and for the first time in months, no spam! Havent cleared it in days. Theres usually 100+ pieces in there, and now none! Not that this is evidence or anything, but interesting nonetheless...

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    1. Re:Funny, i just checked my yahoo account by savagedome · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just checked mine too. Same result. I am not spam-worthy anymore. Damn.

      Well, you might call it spam or whatever but atleast somebody was sending me email.

    2. Re:Funny, i just checked my yahoo account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got fewer negerian requests for help with transaction :/

    3. Re:Funny, i just checked my yahoo account by legirons · · Score: 1

      "just checked my yahoo account and no spam! There's usually 100+ pieces in there"

      Inbox: 2635 messages

      No change there then...

  9. From an insider's perspective... by maxchaote · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Working in the internet marketing industry (not spam) I can tell you that Boca Raton in particular has a reputation for being host to some extra-shady operations.

    1. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah .. I hope Boca Raton gets leveled... or better yet .. I hope that the greedy spammers there get sucked out of there homes and thrown into the ocean. Although .. lately I haven't been receiving any spam from Boca Raton... so maybe that operation got shut down...

    2. Re:From an insider's perspective... by fermion · · Score: 1
      It is said that criminals, or those intent on a life of crime, move down to florida and put thier ill gotten gain into a big house. This doesn't really work for drug crime, but for white collar crime it is a biggie. Florida has laws that makes Texas look Liberal.

      Just look at Rush Limbaugh, Ken Lay, the officer that got kicked out the military for suspected preferential treatment of certain contractors..

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    3. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Generic+Guy · · Score: 1
      Working in the internet marketing industry (not spam) I can tell you that Boca Raton in particular has a reputation for being host to some extra-shady operations.

      There are some shady travel firms which operate out of there, as well. I believe it is more than coincidence that all these firms operate in a place named for the "mouth of the rat".
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    4. Re:From an insider's perspective... by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Boca Raton was an early center of telemarketing boiler rooms, that seems to be what attracted the spammers. I suspect that at least some of them are the same people. At the very least, they share the same (lack of) moral character.

    5. Re:From an insider's perspective... by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Like the National Enquirer. I saw the building for it when I was little and visiting my Dad during the summer.

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    6. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im SEO out of Orlando and its slowed me down :).

    7. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the
      > Bible"--George Washington, 9/17/1796

      An American religious zealot who kept slaves? We can all learn from such a man, I feel.

    8. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raton means mouse. Rata is rat.

    9. Re:From an insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's a good time to be out of Orlando, what with all the hurricanes blowing through there.

      Why do people say "out of" when they mean "in"?

    10. Re:From an insider's perspective... by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      No one is perfect but at least those who read the Bible try to be perfect (but realize they will never reach it but they still try to better themselves) and have a way of comparing themselves to how they *should* live, as opposed to those who have no religion at all and make up their own rules to live by.

      By the way, just because he had slaves doesn't negate everything good about him. If that were the case then the fact he was religious (and therefore a good thing, despite what you think) could negate any of the bad things he did although I'm sure you would prefer the bad negating the good instead of the other way around. Any anti-religious person will prefer to look at the bad in religious people rather than the good and call them on it, like being religious implies you are supposed to be perfect or something. Don't be consumed by double standards.

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  10. From TFA - by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Are several major natural disasters all it takes to quell a couple weeks worth of spam? Experts at anti-spam advocacy groups doubt it. "[Spammers] tend to exist all over the place. Florida represents such a small quantity of the total worldwide, I can't imagine it would have a major impact." says Michael Osterman of Osterman Research Group, which looks at spam trends.

    'Nuff said.....

    -thewldisntenuff

  11. analogy by kc0re · · Score: 1

    So by that analogy, we are saying that most spammers live in Florida? eh... Jeanne's on the way, we'll keep kicking florida's ass with tropical weather, and eventually Mickey and all of the spammers will be washed out to sea.

  12. No difference for me either by filtur · · Score: 4, Funny
    Someone is picking up the slack somewhere I'm sure.

    At least I'm still get personal emails from high ranking democrats, why just today John Kerry himself sent me one.

    1. Re:No difference for me either by HikeFanatic · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen any decrease, in fact it went up significantly. I'm not all that surprised, either.

    2. Re:No difference for me either by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Wait till tomorrow and he'll send you one reversing his position from the one he sent you yesterday.

    3. Re:No difference for me either by joranbelar · · Score: 1
      Giggle! Cause he's a flip-flopper, right!!!

      Glad to see Conventional Wisdom is still alive and kicking.

    4. Re:No difference for me either by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      I saw something somewhere that the "team" he has put together uses media agencies to put together ads (which costs money). If he is on both sides of the issue he needs two ads and that costs twice. Plus there is a "placement fee" the media agency gets from the networks for placing the ads, those guys are cleaning up whether he wins or not. Or in typical Slashdot-ese: 1)Find Candidate with lots of money who can't make up his mind on issues 2) Sell him ads on both sides of every issue 3)Profit!!

    5. Re:No difference for me either by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      It must be me. I've seen a torrent of spam in the last week, easily two to three times as much as I normally get.

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    6. Re:No difference for me either by TrentL · · Score: 1

      Kerry is not a flip-flopper. He was never called a flip-flopper before this election. Anyone who calls him a flip-flopper is just demonstrating the power of negative advertising.

    7. Re:No difference for me either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever you call it, Kerry's TV advertisements are conveying a significantly different message from what they were conveying three months ago.

      What a choice: wishy-washy near-billionaire or blundering multi-millionaire. Somehow I don't think either of them makes a good president!

    8. Re:No difference for me either by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      At least I'm still get personal emails from high ranking democrats, why just today John Kerry himself sent me one.

      Careful, I got one of those, but upon further inspection, it turned out to be a scam - just like all those e-mails you get from PayPal and US Bank. I reported it to Kerry's abuse team; they thanked me and said they'd investigate.

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  13. So what... by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Just as Microsoft learned when they had a DDoS against their DNSs and subsequently went to Akamai, the spammers will learn from this. After all, email is their livelyhood.

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  14. strike while the iron is hot by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it's true, then let's not waste another moment -- blast a trench and cut the whole state off from the country while we have the chance! It'll solve a bunch of other problems in November too....

    1. Re:strike while the iron is hot by aborchers · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just be sure when you blast the trench it leaves Talahassee on your side. Florida is really two states: The North is part of the southern US, and the South is a carribean nation. We call it Floribea.

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    2. Re:strike while the iron is hot by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

      That would also take care of the Nigeria-mail, unresponsive ISPs, undecisive electorates and ....

      upcoming Chad Fiasco (it still amaze me that some counties are still going with punch cards this Nov.).

    3. Re:strike while the iron is hot by Suidae · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, we'll dig an enormous trench down the midde and call it 'The Gap Chasm'. Maybe we can get a small dragon to patrol it and eat anyone who forgets about him and attempts to cross.

    4. Re:strike while the iron is hot by Oloryn · · Score: 1
      If it's true, then let's not waste another moment -- blast a trench and cut the whole state off from the country while we have the chance!

      Remember the attack on Florida at the beginnning of the last Enterprise season? The one that blasted a trench through the state of Florida? Evidently your post went through a time warp and started the whole thing.

    5. Re:strike while the iron is hot by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      What we're going to do soon is build a river... A river of freedom. A river of hope. A river which runs from coast to coast that cuts us off from the 47 states of wastrels and bad influcences to the north. We are going to cut Florida off from the mainland of our oppressors and float out to sea. Then, the nation of Florida will be free to start over. There're be no long-ass lines at the Log Flume or Pirate Ship ride when I take over! You and the kids will be able to ride the rides all day! We will have a rollercoaster for each and every Florida family!

    6. Re:strike while the iron is hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call it Floribea.

      I don't think so...

    7. Re:strike while the iron is hot by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      I've realized in my 25 years here that the larger cities are what everyone sees in the movies and tv, and come to believe FL is like.

      What they don't see is the trailer parks full of old people, the unwashed masses in the middle of the state (heh). Rednecks everywhere.. with their stupid-ass oversized trucks.

      Miami's pretty cool, though :D

  15. No Change? by Malevolyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've actually noticed an increase. They're getting spam through SpamAssassin, now.

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    Your ad here.
    1. Re:No Change? by Chris+Burkhardt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that'll happen sometimes. Tweak your rules. The SpamAssassin Rule Emporium might help.

      --
      "And there be unix which have made themselves unix for the kingdom of heaven's sake." - Matt. 19:12
  16. What do you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diebold has to make some money off of all those voting machines they are installing in Florida during the off season!!

  17. But... by webword · · Score: 1

    ...the hurricane has increased the number of articles and reports about hurricanes. There is a direct relationship. I haven't run any analyses on it yet, but my hunch is that we can find a statistically significant result.

    But seriously, why write this puff piece? Take a look at this quote form the article: "The bottom line: Nature's wrath on spammers makes for an eye-grabbing fable. But more likely, neither rain, nor snow, nor slashing winds will keep unsolicited e-mail from its appointed rounds." Sheesh!

  18. ISP Admin by slashpot · · Score: 1

    I admin several email servers for an ISP - there has been no decrease in spam.

  19. It's an ill wind that blows nobody some good... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    The old sayings still hold true in the digital age.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  20. Correlation does not equal causation by Myrrh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because you happened to receive less spam this month than you did last month, and at the same time, hurricanes happen to be slamming Florida, does not necessarily mean hurricanes are slowing spammers down. Nor does it mean that all--or even most--spammers are located in Florida.

    Sometimes luck is just luck. There is such a thing as coincidence, in spite of what the religious nuts may try to tell you.

    1. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by benna · · Score: 1

      I'm getting so sick of bad logic leading to stupid conclusions about things. The two I most despise:

      Pot is the gateway drug because most people that use harder drugs have smoked pot too. By this very same logic we could say that really, oxygen is the gateway drug, since EVERYONE that uses harder drugs breaths oxygen. Maybe its some third thing causing both. But that doesn't work as well in propoganda.

      The other thing I hate is all these people saying SSRIs cause people to commit suicide. How stupid can you be. The people one the SSRIs are depressed, thats the point! They are anti-depresents. Of course there is a higher suicide rate for depressed people on anti-depresents than off. The most depressed people are put on the durgs, the ones that are bad enough that they seek out help.

      Now I guess I will have to add this one to my list.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    2. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by Myrrh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm particularly attuned since I'm taking a probability class this semester.

      There is a really excellent Web article titled Coincidences: Remarkable or Random? that I came across.

      The thing that really caught my eye was where it shows mathematically that if you randomly select any twenty-three people from anywhere, there is a 50 percent probability that at least two of those people share the same birthdate. Nifty stuff.

    3. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I guess from your adamnat refusal to accept the results of many studies that you're a pot user then...

    4. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by thegnu · · Score: 1

      The increase in suicide on antidepressants is so noteable that it is the first stated side effect of many of them. Any side effect from any drug is inferred. The question I have is: in a blind drug survey using placebos, why is there a higher suicide rate among the antidepressant takers?

      Antidepressants suppress all emotion. This includes depression, but also fear, love, happiness, anger. I don't know about you, but if I never felt fear, anger, love, hate, I would blow my friggin skull off. A very common sentiment among people who kill themselves is that they don't feel anymore.

      Nothing causes suicide except that person's intent. Having said that, antidepressants make it that much easier.

      --
      Please stop stalking me, bro.
    5. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by benna · · Score: 1

      You can't do a good study on that with placebos though. It would be unethical. You would need to use people that would otherwise be given Anti-depresents and you can't just give those people placebo.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    6. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read last-month's Scientific American on SSRIs; there's mounting peer-reviewed evidence that inappropriately prescribed SSRIs are a factor in the increased aggressiveness/suicidal tendencies of people they are prescribed to.

    7. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by benna · · Score: 1

      I know its true that most users of harder drugs have used pot...thats not disputed. Its also true that most people that use pot don't go on to harder drugs. This is the failure of the logic.

      And yes, I am a pot user.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    8. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by benna · · Score: 1

      Well then it isn't the SSRIs themselves is it? Its the doctors making a bad dicision about who to perscribe it to. Anybody on an SSRI should obviously be checked up on every so often just as you would do for any phycological drug.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    9. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know why just because someone has religious faith it makes them nuts. I say anyone who doesn't have religious faith are assholes and bigots but that's just me. They seem to prove me right everytime they make a comment about religious people being nuts. Having a faith does not make someone an extremist contrary to the voices in your head telling you otherwise.

      --
      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
    10. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by Myrrh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (cracking knuckles and leaning back)

      Well, let's have a careful analysis of what I wrote, shall we?

      I believe the phrase in question is "religious nuts."

      What I meant to say, specifically, was that there are certain people who are rather religious and would have people believe that there is no such thing as coincidence -- everything that happens, happens according to a plan. See, for example, the "intelligent design" school of thought.

      I personally disagree with it, and I think a lot of those people are nuts.

      Now, I did not mean to say I think they are all nuts. Neither did I mean to say that all people who subscribe to some sort of religious philosophy are nuts.

      But, of course, your opinion (that anyone who does not have faith is an "asshole" and a "bigot") is perfectly valid. I happen to disagree with it, but it's cool with me if you want to say it.

      However, I know at least half a dozen people who subscribe to no religious philosophy whatsoever, and who are neither an asshole nor a bigot. Who have you been hanging out with?

    11. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the clarification. Although you are entitled to your opinion they are entitled to theirs. Some things do happen for a reason. A simple example of this is when a child dies a terrible death from a certain disease and the parents setup a foundation or something similar to help children in the future. Sure the parents lost their child and are terribly upset about it but they made the best of it and are able to help others because of it. That can't be considered a coincidence becase the 2 events didn't happen at the same time but were the result of a cause and effect situation. Most people would consider the first child dying for a reason so that others may be helped as a result.

      I'm sure they think you are nuts in return for you thinking they are. Of all the people I've witnessed on here who make an anti-religious comment, they do so in a bigotted manner. I don't hang out with people who think anyone who isn't an atheist is crazy but I sure do see a lot of it on here and that was the reason for my comment.

      --
      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
    12. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by khallow · · Score: 1

      Read Karl Popper. You can't mathematically prove causation, but you can mathematically calculate the degree of correlation.

    13. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by Myrrh · · Score: 1

      Certainly. I like the example you provide. That is definitely an example of cause-and-effect.

      I do believe that some things happen for a reason -- just not necessarily the reason of a higher power, or what have you. I do, however, believe that a lot of things also happen for no reason. Why does someone die from cancer? Why is there so much suffering in the world? Etc. Equally good arguments can be made for either an elaborate system of cause and effect, or that something happens for no reason at all (i.e., is random).

      I tend to prefer the simpler explanation. Simpler models tend to be accurate more often than complex ones. The challenge is finding one that describes what happens.

      Anyway, I'm digressing. I just wanted to show you, hopefully, that although I don't claim to be a person of faith, neither do I consider myself a bigot and/or an asshole (though I can be an asshole at times, I admit -- but I don't consider myself particularly bigoted, except perhaps against slackers).

      Just out of curiosity, what is your field / area of study / area of interest? Are you in the computers field or something else?

    14. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      Antidepressants suppress all emotion. No, they don't. I suggest you read up a bit on SSRI's. They basically just speed up the brain by increasing the amount of seratonin (sp?). The logic is that slow processing causes depression. Of course, no one knows exactly how anti-depressants work - that would require an understanding of what human conciousness actually is.

      --
      printf("Goodbye cruel world!\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b");
    15. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Why does someone die from cancer? Why is there so much suffering in the world? Etc. Equally good arguments can be made for either an elaborate system of cause and effect, or that something happens for no reason at all (i.e., is random).

      People die from cancer just because cancer is another affliction that this world brings to the life that lives in it. There is so much suffering because for one, it's not a perfect world like Heaven where people don't get old, they don't get sick, and only people who are good reside. No one is affected by satan's convincing tone. The second reason is what I just said. People are easily persuaded to do the wrong thing or to hurt someone.

      I'm in the computer field. I have a systems engineering degree and working on a CS degree. I'm one of the few in my area of interest out of the people that I know that actually believe in God. Just about everyone I run into in life and on here have no faith at all for some reason.

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      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
    16. Re:Correlation does not equal causation by thegnu · · Score: 1

      You can't do a good study on that with placebos though. It would be unethical.
      Just because it's unethical doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. And many many people are not suicidal, yet still depressed.

      And I imagine there's a waiver, and an understanding that you might be a placebo-receiver.

      --
      Please stop stalking me, bro.
  21. PLEASE HELP MY MILLIONAIRE DOG... GOD LOVES YOU! by jar240 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apparently, Nigeria wasn't hit by any tornadoes since I'm still receiving several Nigerian letter scams emails daily. Sometimes I wish I'd get some sort of other spam, but no -- it's always Nigerian letter scams.

    --
    "You can drive out Nature with a pitchfork, but It always comes roaring back again." - Tom Waits
  22. Holy retribution by dacarr · · Score: 1

    There's much joking about God getting back at Florida for the elections four years ago. But you know what? Now I'm thinking it's more spammers.

    --
    This sig no verb.
  23. Odd... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During Hurricane Frances, I was playing City of Heroes with a Super Group. One of our members lives down in Miami, and he was able to play through just about all of it.

    He was worried that he'd get disconnected at some point, but we played for like 6 hrs straight on a Task Force that day, and I saw him online a couple of times throughout the hurricane days.

    I guess he was lucky. I was surprised he was able to be online all of that time down there. We knew he was based in Miami since before the hurricanes, so it wasn't like he was trying to get attention.

    Personally, I'm glad to be living on the upper-East coast. Our weather is mild, we have no earthquakes, mudslides, or raging fires to worry about (though my state is in the top 5 for largest forest coverage).

    It would take A LOT for me to want to move down to Florida (though Spring Breaks are tempting).

    1. Re:Odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and me both, brother. I wouldn't move out of New England on a bet. And yes I travel A LOT so I get to see what other areas are like...

    2. Re:Odd... by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, some people really get addicted to this stuff, don't they?

      "Stupid hurricane....always taking me away from my Everquest time!"

      --

      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
    3. Re:Odd... by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

      the day i bought command & conquer, we were hit by a 200mph hurricane on guam. it didn't keep us from playing online.. all the phone lines are buried, the power went out, but we had generators.

      plus, the building codes there are terribly strict, seeing as they know to expect high winds... unlike florida, who for some reason still are allowed to build wooden homes, and then complain the next year when it gets torn apart.

      "you just don't expect that kinda thing, you think that the last hurricane would have been the last one forever... oh well, the citizens of the u.s. will pay me to rebuild it."

      i'm glad i'm not livin on guam anymore though... and i agree with you, it'd be difficult justifying a move to florida :p

      --
      for a minute there, i lost myself...
    4. Re:Odd... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      Wooden homes are fine, there's even some debate that as wood can stretch and bend under stress, it's actually better material for building homes in hurricane zones.

      What matters is how you build the homes. Most of the damage done by Frances here to homes involved roofs that collapsed or more minor issues involving the roof covering being blown off. The former was because pre-Andrew building codes didn't include tie downs for roofing beams and other simple additions that will keep homes together when wind is blowing in via a single open entrance.

      Of course, there's not much you can do about trees falling on your homes either.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    5. Re:Odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been thinking about investing in some Florida real estate...I'm going to Atlanta next week to look at it ;-)

    6. Re:Odd... by nuggetboy · · Score: 1

      This is because the eye "hit" about > 100 miles north of Miami (Vero Beach I think?). Hurricane force winds went out about 90 miles. Your friend had wind and rain, but it doesn't surprise me he was online the entire time.

    7. Re:Odd... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm glad to be living on the upper-East coast

      you still have the remote possibility of being hit by a tsunami from the Canary Islands... :P

    8. Re:Odd... by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

      true, engineering properly would help... to a point.

      as you pointed out, there's more than just wind stress you have to watch out for; in the storm i mentioned earlier, we had cars flipped and thrown around, i doubt a well engineered wooden home could withstand that.

      secondly, guam sits right on the edge of the mariannas terrace, so earthquakes were also rather common. it's like, taking the natural disasters of florida and l.a. and combining them to form one super disaster prone, f.e.m.a. sucking area to live in...

      --
      for a minute there, i lost myself...
  24. my email is drastically reduced by cooley · · Score: 5, Funny

    I live in Indiana, but the company I develop for (and where they keep are mail server) is in Pensacola. There is apparently no power (or no server? who knows?) down there today, so I have received ZERO spams.

    --
    Just then the floating disembodied head of Colonel Sanders started yelling Everything You Know Is Wrong!-Weird Al
    1. Re:my email is drastically reduced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the company I develop for (and where they keep are mail server)

      The word is "our". Three letters. Is that really so hard to learn?

  25. Hurricanes Affecting Spammers? by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1
    That seems like a joke compared to other businesses that are greatly affected by evil Ivan. I guess it is a sign that god exists.
    And he has shown us a sign! We must act upon it! The great hour has begun! The dark clouds shall bring us the light! Destroy thine enimies and smite thou spam. Come to free us he shall! He Shall! He Shall!
    --
    ----- You know you have ego issues when you register a domain in your name.
  26. Just like the song says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You are like a hurricane, there's no spam in your eyes."

  27. Re:From an (TRUE!) insider's perspective... by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A spokesperson for Hormel Foods reports that there has been no decrease in spam either ... however, there has been an increased interest in Spam Gifts and also in the Spam Museum.

    --
    Hulk SMASH Celiac Disease
  28. Re:The solution to spam! --- HEY!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Thats where I keep all my stuff!!!!

  29. wcitech by wcitech · · Score: 0

    I suppose it would be too much to ask for all floridians EXCEPT spammers to evacuate the state, and THEN have the worst hurricane in recorded history drop them all in the atlantic. :(

  30. A divine warning to spammers by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Funny

    God promised you that he would never flood your ass out to sea and drown you. He never promised that he wouldn't send a category 4 hurricane after those who steal others' bandwidth. Be warned cyber sinners the end is fucking nigh!!!

    1. Re:A divine warning to spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      God promised you that he would never flood your ass out to sea and drown you.

      Yeah, indeed, in Genesis 9-11 he did...

      He never promised that he wouldn't send a category 4 hurricane after those who steal others' bandwidth.

      He never promised either that he wouldn't send holy warriors with box-cutters onto 4 planes ... That too can be considered to be a punition for having voted so stupidly... (Hey, if Cheney can say it...)

  31. To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by trudyscousin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hurricanes are living proof that God hates spammers and wants us to be happy.

    --
    Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
    1. Re:To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original quote, for those who are interested:

      "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy."

    2. Re:To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by Ianing · · Score: 1

      Insightful? Come on????

    3. Re:To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you say. Someone might call you nuts just because you said the word "God". If you already are nuts then nevermind. Move along.

      --
      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
    4. Re:To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, some spammer found God's e-mail address, and he didn't became so happy...

    5. Re:To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hurricanes are living proof that God hates spammers and wants us to be happy.


      I'd like to hear you say that after you've lost everything to one storm only to be faced with another and possibly even another one after that. I live in Daytona Beach so I was hit by both storms. I was lucky enough to not have much damage, but I know plenty of people who have virtually nothing left. To say that "God" would do this in retribution to spammers is simply ludacris. Plenty of innocent non-spamming people lost their homes/lives to these storms.

  32. Just Kill Them by Emperor+Tiberius · · Score: 1

    The solution to spammers is simple, kill them. After enough of them go, the rest will soon be stirring in fear. Make spamming a capital offense. Then give all their earthly possessions to the good sysadmins of the world.

    1. Re:Just Kill Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. That must the reason nobody kills people when there is death penalty...

    2. Re:Just Kill Them by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yes it would be nice... ...way to get rid of anyone you didn't like.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  33. And here I thought.... by Ionizer7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That my penis was finally big enough... They do stop sending you penis enlargement emails once it is big enough right??

    1. Re:And here I thought.... by bandy · · Score: 1

      But what about your mortgage? And while your penis may be big enough, what about some Levitra or Viagra to go with it? Won't want to be caught ... limp ...

      By the way, I have the sum of $45,000,000 (FOURTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS) in petro-money stuck in Nigeria....

      --
      "You might as well get your son a ticket to hell as give him a five string banjo." -unknown minister
    2. Re:And here I thought.... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess that's why I've never recieved any of those e-mails.

      --
      There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
    3. Re:And here I thought.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Florida is America's penis.
      2. Florida is huge.
      3. Florida's where all the spam comes from.

      Coincidence?

      I think not.

  34. Re:PLEASE HELP MY MILLIONAIRE DOG... GOD LOVES YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I wish I'd get some sort of other spam

    Yet another problem easily solved by a single usenet post from your email account.... And this one does not even need a reply from anyone.

  35. Insurance companies by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If insurance companies have noticed that the cost of their spam filtering in their IT department is affected by Florida, then they should divert the costs of the filtering to premium rises in Florida alone, rather than dumping it across the board. Maybe then something would be done about it, when Florida insurance holders would notice raised premiums when they deal with their insurance to cover hurricane damage. And maybe it would actually affect their voting.

    I would see this as no different from any of the other excuses that insurance companies use to raise premiums, like what kind of car you drive or the crime rate of where you live. Any company that has expenditures to cover spam filtering in their IT departments should charge florida a little extra.

    1. Re:Insurance companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot. People in FL do not receive more spam that other areas.

    2. Re:Insurance companies by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      then they should divert the costs of the filtering to premium rises in Florida alone, rather than dumping it across the board.
      Well, this would add an unrelated expense to insurance holder's premiums. Which would leave a gap for a competitor to offer a lower rate. The insurance company that raises rates to cover spam filtering would then find it has no Floridian customers but still has a spam problem.

      Just because there are a lot of spammers in Florida doesn't mean that an insurer is incurring additional expenses by trading there. The Internet is global. A spammer can cause just as much damage to an insurance company operating out of Fiji as it can operating out of Florida.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  36. Our end is near... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...dear god, think of the possibilities. A robot with the ability to play a trumpet constantly...endlessly. The annoyance will be legendary. avv

  37. "If he committed no crime in his home country" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Extrudited"? Is that where they squeeze you through a small hole and then send you back home? pw

  38. In English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of folks think the hurricane hits in Florida, the Sunshine (and Spam!) State have taken slowed the volume of spam.

    I'll admit I have a headache and my thinking is kind of fuzzy right now...but what the heck is that trying to say?

  39. If Bush really wants to get re-elected... by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1

    He should launch Operation Unsubscribe

  40. You may be opposed to bundled media players... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but what have you got against embedded punctuation? How the hell is anyone supposed to read your post?

    Sean mxq

  41. Celeron comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoops, I mean the Centrino chip. ra

  42. Internet Pollution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that most (if not all) spaming and advertising done on the Internet is simply polluting the lines of communication. Like any pollution, it reduces the stuff you want, by increasing the ratio of stuff you don't want, thereby making the whole environment unusable.

    Is it possible that this view can be used in any legal way to go after Internet polluters?

    roc

  43. I wonder which will be more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...overburned? - the CDs or the coffee? xg

  44. Wisdom takes time to build by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wisdom takes time to build.

    How old was Strom Thurmond when he died?

    jd

  45. Very cool, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ford and GM don't have to innovate because the prices of Japanese cars are artifically high in the U.S. due to taxes on imports designed to "level the playing field."

    We don't need to have all these tariffs on products imported from countries that have the same standard of living that we do. The Japanese work hard, yes, but they are paid first world salaries so if the prices of their automobiles is low, it is because they are damn good at building cars and if they want to work a little harder than us to do it, more power to them.

    On the other hand cars imported from Mexico (like the VW I drive) are produced at the expense of some Mexican making 70 cents an hour. We can't have free trade in this scenerio or we'll all be living in cardboard lean-tos just like our counterparts south of the border. ah

  46. Redundancy by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking this means there will henceforth be a lucrative niche market in providing redundant mail servers to spam marketers.

    M

  47. Yes and no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the silos on the 'net have been older Atlas silos. Very, very few of the Titan I silos ever got into public hands AND have no apparent water seepage into any parts of the building (Typically, the actual missle bays would fill up with water because of location- they'd sump pump it out, but with them being abandoned...).

    If it's for real, it's something somewhat special. The last one that went up was some 2-3 years ago in Colorado. lqu

  48. Well it just figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, MS use UNIX servers for Hotmail

    Ummm... no. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you had said "used" (as in past tense), then you'd at least be close. Still wrong, but close. They used one of the BSD's until people called them on it. Hell, for all we know, they still are and just changed the headers that the server hands out to look like a MS box like the other post in this thread shows.

    Anyway, you're wrong on all accounts.
    kys

  49. My guess would be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the typhoons in China rather than the hurricanes in Florida.

  50. Historical Criminals by immortal · · Score: 1

    Most of these spammers are con artist going back to the mid 80s boiler room stock market scams. If someone just did a background check for outstanding warrants, I would bet there is a good chance of finding them. That could give cause to go in an arrest them since we know where they are.

    I sometimes ponder if anyone has thought about taking the Spamhaus top ten list and making it into a hit list.

    It would stand to reason that the 80/20 rule could apply. Kill the top 20% of the spammers and we could eliminate 80% of the spam.

    Oh, excuse we, did I just say that out loud?

    .

    --
    "Your having a bad day when the voices in your head put you on hold"
    1. Re:Historical Criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      "It would stand to reason that the 80/20 rule could apply. Kill the top 20% of the spammers and we could eliminate 80% of the spam."

      You deserve capital punishment more than the spammer for your intent to murder lot of people in cold blood.

      Oh Yeah ! he made you 5mins of your life everyday. He deserves to die.

  51. How long 'til lawsuits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "wonder how long before Starbucks and HP get John Doe lawsuits in the mail"

    Answer: Never.

    Here's a clue about how to avoid lawsuits: don't break the law.

    <bart xb

  52. Extradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that the usual rule was that you could not be extradited for an act that was not classified as a crime in your country of residence. This causes the IRS grief when someone moves to a country where tax evasion is not a crime. lx

  53. What, no more Roman gods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might have chosen the name Sedna because the object is in the Kuiper Belt. If I recall correctly, the naming convention for Kuiper Belt Objects is that of creation deities. Sedna is the most important deity to the Inuit and plays a vital role in one creation tale, what with her parents chopping off her fingers and those fingers turning into various aquatic animals. tr

  54. Definite decrease for me. by MCZapf · · Score: 1

    I've sure noticed a decrease in the spam I've been getting over the past few days: About a fivefold decrease, down from about 20 per day to about four. I wondered why, but it didn't occur to me that it might be the hurricane(s). Since I only get 20 spams per day anyway, it might just be one particular spammer who was knocked out.

  55. Edit *THIS* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I've not noticed any decrease.

    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why our so-called "editors" are Masters of Deception.
    They get paid---that is to say, this is their job---to post stories that others send them, then add their own, grammar-impaired comments.

    Simply priceless.

  56. Time to move :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Buy missile complex for $300K or less.
    2. Get $500K in donations to fix up your own private property (a scam in and of itself).
    3. Sell on eBay for $3.95 million.
    4. Profit.
    sh

  57. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This is not about catching scripting errors. It does not fix your code. It is about catching errors in the enviroment that scripts are running in.

    Shell scripts should be short and easy to write. I have seen plenty of them fail due to some resource or another being temporarily down. At first people are neat and then send an email to notify the admin. When this then results in a ton of emails everytime some dodo knocks out the DNS they turn it off and forget about it.

    Every scripting language has their own special little niche. BASH for simple things, perl for heavy text manipulation, PHP for creating HTML output. This scripting language is pretty much like BASH but takes failure as given. The example shows clearly how it works. Instead of ending up with PERL like scripts to catch all the possible errors you add two lines and you got a wonderfull small script, wich is what shell scripts should be, that is none the less capable of recovering from an error. This script will simply retry when someone knocks out the DNS again.

    This new language will not catch your errors. It will catch other peoples errors. Sure a really good programmer can do this himself. A really good programmer can also create his own libraries. Most find of us in admin jobs find it easier to use somebody elses code rather then constantly reinvent the wheel. sqi

  58. Re:PLEASE HELP MY MILLIONAIRE DOG... GOD LOVES YOU by bandy · · Score: 1

    Actually, I haven't seen much spam in my gmail account and I posted to usenet multiple times during the summer.

    --
    "You might as well get your son a ticket to hell as give him a five string banjo." -unknown minister
  59. The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the best answer the 'If nobody would by this stuff...' argument was:

    Spam works on the level of 1 in 10,000. The general population contains a far higher rate of mental illness, senility, and retardation.

    You'll never cure spam by 'education' of any sort. There are some people who are just too crazy or too stupid to learn. pne

  60. Increase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Date: Thu, 16 SEP 2004 15:44:20 -0800 (PST)
    From: ezeani madu
    To: ezeanimadu@yahoo.com
    Subject: ASSISTANCE NEEDED

    From: Madu Nominees Carbez.
    1120 Louisiana Blvd
    Louisana-America.

    Dear Sir,

    I do not mean to embarras you by this proposal, but to confide to you a very sensitive issue, of a very pathetic situation, and also to seek your utmost assistance for the issue I am about to explain to you.

    My name is Ezeani Madu Carbez, and I am the principle consultant of the above mentioned law firm here in Louisana-America.

    You see!, one of my clients, and ofcourse my most
    valued client by name Jonnez Hommer just called my presence to confide a very sensitive situation to me. My client happeneds to be the chief security officer {CSO} of clearing house 'Diamond Dispatch'.

    My client, Jonnez is presently being kept away from the clearing house by IVAN 15 inches of rain and surges of up to 16 feet, 150mph winds and IVAN.

    A first class information has revealed that there is a shipment of diamonds washed away in a armoured car into the nearby lake before It could be deposited with the clearing house here in in Louisana-America before it was washed awaty.

    According to him, the shipment contains the DIAMOND sum of US$35,000,000 [Thirty Five Million Dollars American] which the clearning house does not know about yet, as the content was declared as family jewelries and security documents.

    My client needs finanical assistence in the recovery of the 35,000,000 [Thirty Five Million Dollars American], please send me details of your bank account for funds to be collected and for the 35,000,000 [Forty Five Million Dollars American] to be deposited through the assistencies to disperse the money from teh sales of the DIAMONDS.

    My client has also resolved to reward you hansomely with 5% of the total amount on the sucessful conclussion of the DIAMOND recovery.
    I shall also be 100% available to provide you with all the necessary assistance and guidelines you may require on the course of this assistence.

    I have just entrusted the details of this shipment and the fate of this helpless diamonds into your conscience for safe keeping. I also hope to have offerred you a great opportunity to make yourself some good money, I believe I have.
    Should the above opertaion appeal to you therefore,I hereby urge you to mail me your response immediately for further details and immediate commencement of this receovery.
    You will also be doing us a lot of good to guide
    this information with immense confidentiality, should this receovery not appeal to you.

    Hoping to hear from you soon on this issue.
    Regards,
    Ezeani Madu Cardez. {ESQ}

  61. Mother Nature, not wrath of God by Chatmag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The one quote from the Business Week regarding the wrath of God smiting Florida came from a post on NANAE, where the poster was blasted with one negative comment after another.

    To take the position that God should somehow clear Florida by sending hurricanes is absurd. Literally millions of people with no connections to spam were affected.

    Four people died in Blountstown, an 8 year old girl in Milton, and several others in Panama City Beach, and so far, no connection between the deceased and spamming.

    If Mr. Helm wanted to write a piece regarding spam and Florida, he should of posted all the comments flaming the moron that had written the original post.

    --
    Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
    1. Re:Mother Nature, not wrath of God by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Actually, they spammed Lucifer:

      http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=040710

      --
      I am John Hurt.
    2. Re:Mother Nature, not wrath of God by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      is it really absurd, if you 'believe in god' the way church(most of christian churches anyways) teaches? have you read the bible? the guy doesn't really give a crap about collateral damage even in mythos.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    3. Re:Mother Nature, not wrath of God by wiredbuddy · · Score: 1

      I was getting ready to comment something similiar but your "collateral damage" thing is SO much better than what I was going to say.

  62. transmeta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i wouldnt exactly say transmeta chips are blazing.. my friend had a 600mhz tm5600 based laptop that had been marketed as 'gigapro' without any sort of actual note of the clock speed and the performance was not really near that of a comparable 600mhz cpu from amd or intel.. he endedup selling it for the price he bought it for and got an A64 emachines with a radeon m9600.. bit better for games;) pk

  63. The solution - seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution to the spam problem is simple yet elegant - gambling.

    Every time you send an email you place a small wager on the line that the recipient wants to read your message. Something like 1 cent. If the recipient doesn't mind your message then they don't redeem your offer and it doesn't cost you a thing. However, if you're sending spam then the recipient cashes it in (or perhaps it is used to cover overhead costs of this system).

    If you send a legitimate email and somebody decides to be a jerk and cash it in then you're only out 1 penny. However, if you just sent 2 million of those unwanted emails you're screwed.

    This is better than the "small price" schemes because it doesn't cost anything. Well, unless you're A) a spammer or B) sending email to dickheads.

    This wouldn't replace SMTP, it would just be a layer on top. If you sent an email and you participated in this system then a third party would sign your messages and you'd be get a special verifiable header that the recipient could then treat as "likely ham".

    Anybody have a better idea? I didn't think so. :) jkw

  64. Vote With Your Feet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    if you don't like what MS does then switch to Mac OS X or GNAA/Linux and put your money where your mouth is!

    If only more people actually did this! If even 10% of the people who complained about M$ actually did something about it, the software world would be a very different place. It's amazing the number of people who feel that they are a special case, that they have a particular special reason for not switching to something else. (Yes, in some cases those reasons are genuine, but I suspect laziness plays a large part in many.)

    I try to act on principle. I've only ever owned two pieces of M$ software, for example: one was the Psion Series 3 version of AutoRoute (which doesn't really count as it was written by a separate company that got bought out shortly before release; M$ dropped it soon after), and the Mac OS X version of IE (pre-installed; I keep it as a last-resort browser and use it every few months). It's not hard, really -- it's a pain when people keep sending me Word documents, but there are various workarounds even if people won't take the hint -- and I don't feel I'm making any great sacrifices. I just don't put following the crowd as my top priority.

    So, to all you people who use M$ software and complain about it: don't complain, STOP USING IT!
    zgj

  65. Very cool, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every country sets its own agenda. The US wants to be the untouchable goliath of military power. If the US wanted to be the world leader in non-military research and development, they could be.

    Very, very true. But, it just wouldn't be The American Way if we didn't have the ability to police the world. However, if you pay close attention to the history of how the US became involved in various wars,[read: WWI, WWII] you'll see we re-acted to outside influences. Had those not come along, the US may never have invested so heavily in a war machine. (Just my $0.02.) ob

  66. I smell trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I can only envision one of two possibilities for how this is going to turn out: (1) The most amazing thing ever, or (2) The biggest flop in the history of the musical theatre.

    The problem is that, for the most part, really epic stories are simply not endemic to the musical theatre art form. How many have there been? And, of those, how many have truly been successful? Even theatre epics, like Show Boat or Les Miserables are still pretty small in scope when compared to something The Lord of the Rings because they focus pretty pointedly on people, whereas LOTR is about big events, big stakes, and even larger plot points.

    Shrinking the story down to where it would it would on the musical stage, and still leave room for the things every play needs (exposition, characterization, and, probably most importantly, songs) would be almost impossible under the best circumstances, and most of the people involved simply aren't of the proven calibre necessary to pull all this off. Sure, A.R. Rahman had some kind of a success with Bombay Dreams, but what in Matthew Warchus's resume suggests he's even remotely qualified to handle something on this scale? He's talented, yes, but not with material of this size. His solution to staging one of Broadway's most traditionally opulent musicals--Follies--on Broadway in 2001 was to strip away everything that made it so oversized and, in its original production, so thrilling. If you do that with The Lord of the Rings, what's left?

    So, while I wish them the best of luck, they're really facing a difficult struggle, and I'm not sure they will be able to pull it off. Under most circumstances, I would suggest that they rework the idea as an opera, or perhaps a series of operas, but of course, Richard Wagner already did that with Der Ring des Nibeluengen, and the less comparison The Lord of the Rings has with that, the better, I think. It will be unavoidable in any case, but critics (and audiences) will have their knives sharpened going into this, and it will have to be even that much better to win them over. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy the challenges facing the creators of this musical. zhd

  67. This is news??? Who the fuck cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might seem petty, but the reality is that there is a huge number of people that use hotmail on a regular basis.. this kind of downage affects a lot of people.

    What is interesting is how:
    - Microsoft responds, their press releases etc.
    - Possible reasons for failure
    - What others can learn from these kind of failures, to prevent them happening.
    - That such a large system that must deal with a massive number of requests has completely gone down instead of the service degrading due to servers failing, etc..

    Lighten up a bit, i'm honestly suprised it would go down for a significant amount of time.
    pd

  68. Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hei, Dillon

    It seems that you are working in some
    inovative features.

    I hope that in the way, you fill some patents
    about your work (even if you don't agree with
    software patents), because we are going to
    need it in the upcoming patent fight against
    Microsoft. of

  69. No wonder everyone's getting outsourced! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MPlayer plays back more video types than Windows Media Player, and also is more fault-tolerant, uses less resources, is easier to use, and is more stable.... and is more illegal, as it uses pirated software that they don't have permission to redistribute to do so. tsd

  70. From Florida with Love by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

    Here in Florida the people are a bit paralyzed in fear right now... Every two or three weeks, there is a new storm headed our way. One of the biggest changes to weather reporting recently is "doppler indicated tornado cell activity", as the meteorologists call it. Basically they find pockets of cyclonic air on their doppler radar, and they issue a full blown tornado warning for it, whether it really is a tornado or not. It gets a little grating on the nerves to have 5-10 tornado warnings per day when a hurricane is nearby. But, when it's not raining, hot, humid or generally miserable, Florida can be nice. :^)

    As for the spammers, I thought they were all in China (we outsourced spam too, right?).

    1. Re:From Florida with Love by Excen · · Score: 0

      But, when it's not raining, hot, humid or generally miserable, Florida can be nice. :^)

      So, in other words, it's nice one day in March and one day in November.

      --
      "No beer until you finish your tequila!" -Leela's Dad
  71. No spam for me by kramer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I must agree. I barely saw any SPAM last week. However, I think that may have to do with my losing power for 128 straight hours.

  72. Kind of sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    that it takes the EU to reign in our rogue corporation, makes me sad the DoJ didn't go further.

    And I'm not sure why anyone would post that this isn't fair, if you can't see MS is once leveraging it's desktop monopoly to control yet another market, you are blind or at least obtuse. Do we really want another Netscape on our hands, it's taken 5 years for the likes of Mozilla, FireFox and Safari to revive browser innovation while IE 6 has remained a stagnant, insecure and non-compliant piece of junk. Killing competition in browsers hurt the web, although it will be years before the useless business analyst get around to acknowledging this. We don't want the same thing to happen in media players/codecs, instant messaging or a raft of other technologies. Time to stop MS now. And vote with your damn wallets, if you don't like what MS does then switch to Mac OS X or GNAA/Linux and put your money where your mouth is! ch

  73. These codes aren't secret... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for Sun Electric (now Snap-On), designing engine and emission diagnostic analyzers.

    The "secret" diagnostic codes are published. The Chilton's repair guides for cars list the error codes for each car and manufacturer. Also, the factory service manuals for those cars have the codes and their meanings listed.

    I love Cadillacs, though, because you can press "OFF" and "WARMER" on the Climate Control panel and it will list the codes on the display there! Then you can do the repairs at home yourself!

    You can also go buy a $500.00 Snap-on ALDL analyzer (Assembly Line Diagnostic Link) and it will list the codes too. The newer vehicles call this OBD-2 (Onboard Diagnostics, V2).

    Finally, there is some software out there (Payware, IIRC) that will list the codes on a PC or laptop, but you need to build an RS-232 to ALDL level converter for it (or buy the software with the appropriate dongle).
    zso

  74. Creepy post. by thegnu · · Score: 1

    I guess that's why I've never recieved any of those e-mails.

    --
    There's blood in the streets it's up to my ankles.
    ... given your sig.
    --
    Please stop stalking me, bro.
  75. Escape velocity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Without their host planets, they would float off, wheareas the moon would continue orbiting the sun quite contently.

    I have been interested in Astronomy since I was about six years old. Just over forty years. I have heard what you suggest before -- but only in the last few years. And I don't understand it any more this time than I did on the earlier occasions.

    Frankly, I strongly suspect it is a false factoid, like that the internet was built to survive a Nuclear War. I strongly suspect it is a bullshit meme that keep being repeated because it sounds cool, but is completely false.

    Pray explain what you mean when you say the other 138 moons would float off ?

    I am trying to do the "thought experiment" of silently, quietly erasing the principals of those moons, mass and all. I am finding this difficult to do. I don't believe there is any way this could occur, in our Universe.

    So, instead I imagined doing something to accelerate a moon, any moon, to the escape velocity of its principal. What happens then? Well, the object accelerated to just beyond a planet's escape velocity will assume an orbit very similar to that of the Planet it just escaped from. Sometime in the last couple of years ago there was a flap about a small object that seemed to have been temporarily captured in the Earth-Moon system. But it turned out to be NASA space debris. It appeared to be the discarded upper stage of an Apollo moon shot. ze

  76. Paging Joss Whedon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    (Gandalf)
    I've got a theory, that it's a Nazgul, A dancing Nazgul. No, something isn't right there.

    (Frodo)
    I've got a theory, that Bilbo is dreamin' And we're all stuck inside his wacky Broadway nightmare.

    (Aragorn)
    I've got a theory we should work this out.

    (The Fellowship except Gandalf)
    It's getting eerie, what's this cheery singing all about?

    (Gimli)
    It could be Elves, some evil Elves. Which is ridiculous 'cause Elves they were persecuted wicked good and loved Middle Earth and fairie power and I'll be over here.

    (Merry)
    I've got a theory, it could be lunchtime...
    [crickets chirping] cpy

  77. A few related sites..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyN ews/asteroid0107.html

    http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/I7.htm

    http://home.att.net/~thehessians/asteroidstrike. ht ml

    http://www.sandia.gov/media/comethit.htm

    http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/tps-seti/crater.ht ml ifz

  78. InterNet did fine in 1989 quake by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The 1989 Loma Prieta quake had a magnitude of 6.9 and affected the entire San Francisco area. The InterNet and computers did not go down, except in the few places that lost power.

    1. Re:InterNet did fine in 1989 quake by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Seriously, how much was the "Internet" used in '89? One could argue that San Francisco probably was one of the most important nodes in the 'net back then, and so disruptions there should have had a huge impact, as opposed to today, when things are more distributed. On the other hand, the whole network is so complex that a major disruption there today may well bring a lot of traffic to a standstill.

    2. Re:InterNet did fine in 1989 quake by peter303 · · Score: 1

      Another counter example is the 2003 great blackout. Most of the US InterNet operated fine during and after this incident. Another result of decentralisation.

  79. You're dealing with the problem too high up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you can set up a distributed system at a reasonable cost where any program can continue to run without carying about an underlying failure, you would be richer than Bill Gates.

    Resources DO become unavailable in most systems. It simply doesn't pay to ensure everything is duplicated, and set up infrastructures that makes it transparent to the end user - there are almost always cheaper ways of meeting your business goals by looking at what level of fault tolerance you actually need.

    For most people hours, sometimes even days, of outages can be tolerable for many of their systems, and minutes mostly not noticeable if the tools can handle it. The cost difference in providing a system where unavailabilities are treated as a normal, acceptable condition within some parameters, and one where failures are made transparent to the user can be astronomical.

    To this date, I have NEVER seen a computer system that would come close to the transparency you are suggesting, simply beause for most "normal" uses it doesn't make economic sense. euh

  80. Transmeta CPUs != longer run time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know it is one of their big selling points but I have yet to have used a Transmeta device that actually had a longer run time than my huge Latitude C series with second battery. Why? Because for some reason manufacturers seem to have a fetish for the 2.5 - 3 hour benchmark. Once they reach it, they concentrate on size instead. Surely I can't be the only one who would be happy with a smallish (12-13") notebook with long battery life. I certainly find that more interesting than devices that are so tiny as to be unusable yet have comparable run time to normal laptops. sgb

  81. My question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is there anything like cakewalk available for linux? rf

  82. Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not being a beer drinker I am not surprised, the bubbles are probably trying to drown themselves rather than taste that foul brew... vrt

  83. If M$ were really smart.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they would start development on their second OS right now. I don't live in Europe, but from what I read and hear on IRC, I get the feeling that M$ is not going to win any appeals, and eventually will be forced to sell their cut down OS. It would save them time and money. Why drag it out in court, when you're probably going to lose anyway? hx

  84. Dual NIC controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It comes standard with a wlan chip, AND a wired nic!

    I'm very impressed by this little bugger!

    If its got a DVD drive, I'm sold. Its still a little pricey for my taste buds, but I'm definately impressed! kbr

  85. Eureka! by piecewise · · Score: 1

    Finally a solution to SPAM:

    More hurricanes!

    --
    The next comment I write will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
    1. Re:Eureka! by k4rm4_p0l7c3 · · Score: 1

      YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD

      some of us had to relocate cause of those freakin' hellstorms

  86. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheaper version of Windows? I think it will be funny if MS sells the new version for the same price and just tells them the player was a freebie. ci

  87. Abuse of Power Comes as no Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unfortunately, this is nothing new.

    CBS gfd

  88. Even if it's not true... by Combuchan · · Score: 1

    The amount of garbage I've seen in email, snail mail, and cable TV has started to turn a mental red flag on: Beware of anything that comes from a Florida address.

    It's not just spam. I've seen bogus sweepstakes from Clearwater, but most importantly, a vast majority of those "minimum investment required" "business opportunities" (the usual fodder of late-night cable TV ads) all come from south Florida...note all the addresses of the defendants in this comprehensive list.

    The state, to me, seems to produce a disproportionate amount of schemes, spam, and crap. If I were a legitimate businessperson in southern Florida, I'd be really pissed because of all the negative associations.

    Which of course begs the question--what is it about Florida that attracts such low life businesses? Mob connections, ineffective leadership, bad judicial processes?

    --
    "[T]he single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom." -- Barry Goldwater
    1. Re:Even if it's not true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Which of course begs the question--what is it about Florida that attracts such low life businesses? Mob connections, ineffective leadership, bad judicial processes?"

      Old people. And lots of them.

  89. Fark teh spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOM

  90. It's got the concept backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did. Endlessly is good. The network overhead is negligible.

    Check once every 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,whatever,mins *all the time anyway* whether it fails or succeeds and you *absolutely don't* want to have to explicitly tell 1000 machines to start again.

    You simply generalise the update process, get rid of the special cases. In the case of patches, you know you're going to have to distribute them out to clients at some point anyway so have all the clients check once a day, every day. If the distribution server is down for a couple of days it's pretty much irrelevant.

    My error detection code is trivial the network traffic is negligible unless the job's actually being done and I still haven't been given a good case for ftsh. I have a good case for a better randomising algorithm within a shell and a decent distributed cron (which is simple BTW), but not for a specifically fault tolerant shell.

    You've got to stop thinking of these things as individual systems. The network is the machine.

    tx

  91. Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps the bendy straw people should sue. uv

  92. Re:From an (TRUE!) insider's perspective... by TykeClone · · Score: 1
    After Tuesday night, though, there may be.

    God got so ticked at getting so much spam that he decided to smite Austin, MN with a great flood. Then Noah tapped him on the should and said that SPAM != spam.

    Seriously though - the had like a foot of rain up there on Tuesday night. Nothing like a hurricane, but it still causes problems.

    --
    A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
  93. WTF!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What are they talking about!?!?

    I'm a gear head. I know lots of geeks who are gear heads. I, however, have never encountered a problem due to inability to access 'calibration codes'.

    I know that you can hook your laptop up to your OBDI/II based vehicle. What can ya do?
    -monitor telemetry in real time
    -read error codes stored in computer [terse format]
    -reprogram the computer[really the data on which decisions are made, not the heuristics themselves]*

    *You can't change stuff on earlier computers! Must be that we don't have the 'calibration code' to make a PROM into an EEPROM?!

    Seriously though! What you need to 'know' to fix a car is:

    Interface specification

    Table of error/condition codes and triggering parameters.

    Wiring diagrams, mechanical diagrams, parts lists, etc.

    how modern cars work

    From what I understand, the Interfaces are standardized [think ISO,IEEE, not RFC]. The error codes, and at least short descriptions, are available. The diagrams, etc. are available via repair manuals/KB Systems. I know that at least some manufacturers publish/authorize official such products. As for knowledge, can't legislate that:)

    What information is being withheld that makes non-dealer repair impossible?

    And what are 'calibration codes'? gpr
  94. It wasn't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slated to be released until the last quarter this year. 2005 "sounds bad", but it's only a few months. tow

  95. Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hei, Dillon

    It seems that you are working in some
    inovative features.

    I hope that in the way, you fill some patents
    about your work (even if you don't agree with
    software patents), because we are going to
    need it in the upcoming patent fight against
    Microsoft. er

  96. Yukon's promised features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not good for MS. A lot of people have been waiting on Yukon. Yukon is finally going to deliver online restoration, database mirroring with automatic failover, and support for mirrored backup sets.

    Disappointing. SQL Server had really come a long way, too. Maybe 2005 won't be too late. ld

  97. appeals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Microsoft has an appeals process and will likely get an injunction against enforcement while they pursue said appeal, which may take years.

    So for now just speculate and pretend MS will have to abide by the sanctions. By the time the ruling does take place users will be familiar enough (if they are not already) with WMP that it would be hard for anything to take its place. If a user has purchased any addins for WMP it is unlikely for them to prefer another player. Personally I think this is more of a burden for the users because they will have to find the newest WMP to download then its 4-5 patches.

    os
  98. I really miss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I generally love anything new and techie...but, I really miss the days of simpler cars. I miss minimal computer control....large engines with tons of horsepower. Where if something went wrong..it was mostly mechanical...and you could work on many things yourself. I miss when you could drive a stock car off the showroom floor...and it had enough power to smoke the tires for a couple of blocks....and they weren't all 'designed by computers'...the cars looked good and had individual personality. And...even a pretty powerful one was reasonably affordable to the majority of people....

    I often think that if you could get one car executive to take a 'chance'...and try the old idea behind the original GTO's and later other muscle cars...throw a monster engine into a decent body of a car...keep the interior minimalist...with real perfomance, and keep the price reasonable. I gotta think these things would sell like hotcakes...

    Oh well...as long as we're dreaming here...I'd also like a pony... is

  99. Florida only? by LemonFire · · Score: 1

    "According to BusinessWeek Online's article, Lots of folks think the hurricane hits in Florida, the Sunshine (and Spam!) State have taken slowed the volume of spam."

    Was the lower volume in spam reported by people living in Florida? That would ... explain it!

  100. Why stop with Media Player and MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the EU is going in the wrong direction, saying MS has to unbundle Media Player is the stupidest thing I have heard of. If thats the case all OS's should unbundle Media Players, Mac's, GNAA/Linux, whatever. Why play favorites, aren't they trying to make things equal. Maybe they should unbundle notepad and calculator as well, their are 3rd party applications out there. Hell I don't even use the newest media player, I use media player classic. But I have to say its nice to have common apps installed as soon as the OS is installed, so you don't have to go searching and downloading all this stuff. What if you don't have access to the internet what are you going to do then? Their is a reason MS bundles these, to make it easy for users. by removing any applications they just make it really really hard for consumers. Yes they should have an option to uninstall anything you don't want. *sarcasim* --> But I say why stop with MS and Media Player, I say NO OS's should bundle any Apps, No quicktime on Mac's, no Notepad in Windows, no OS's can't have any application pre-installed if their is a 3rd party version out there. *end sarcasim* What the hell is wrong with people, this won't hurt MS at all, only hurts us and fellow consumers. bzk

  101. is it only obvious to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Florida IS spam, so of course it decreased.

  102. Hard drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should at least boot if from a Compact Flash card

    silent, no heat, droppable (kinda)

    I've got no references for GNAA/Linux but FreeBSD has a sectionin the Handbook and bunch of scripts for the binaries you want. Well that's for non-X, my next stage of my project is trying to get my EPIA working in SVGA mode or, if I get a big enough CF card (I think a 256Mb should work and they are about $50 on ebay). I'm trying for an in car system. I already got it playing mp3s from the CD Rom 35 seconds from power.

    of

  103. I'm not sure by loginx · · Score: 1

    I trust these stats better.

    http://www.spamcop.net/spamgraph.shtml?spammonth

  104. What the hell? by pclminion · · Score: 1

    What's going on here? Is this some kind of nexus for comments from alternate universes? I have no idea what the hell half the people here are talking about. It certainly ain't hurricanes!

    1. Re:What the hell? by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1

      Someone is flooding the thread with comments they've scraped out of other stories. For example, this comment (just down the page) originally appeared in a story on March 14th.

      At least it's a bit more creative than GNAA application forms...

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      "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
  105. Owners reputation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look closely on EBay, 19 people have voted him up. 19 people are satisfied with his previous auction, which leads to this conclution: The person selling it may not be faking it, but how the hell did he get it in the first place? rz

  106. I know you need to be paid for your time, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    All down to the cost of labour and the costs of running a business, I'm afraid.

    I don't know what it's like in the US, but here in the UK, the cost of new PCs is making PC "repairs" uneconomic if the repairer wants to charge rates similar to those of plumbers and the like (to put some numbers on that, a typical rate for a plumber is 60GBP per hour, and a new PC costs from 300GBP, with monitor and preloaded copy of whatever the latest flavour of Windows is; how much work do you reckon can do in under 5 hours?)

    Of course, this does discount the stupid and the penny-wise-pound-foolish, whom are probably the best cash cows out there for any business.

    -- vj

  107. Pretty interesting stuff by g0bshiTe · · Score: 0

    considering California is the sunshine state.

    if(( !Mod == Troll ) || ( !Mod == OffTopic ))
    {
    printf( NULL, 'Go To HELL!');
    }
    else
    Karma++

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    1. Re:Pretty interesting stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.50states.com/florida.htm

      Florida also has that nickname.

    2. Re:Pretty interesting stuff by b1scuit · · Score: 1
      California is the golden state. Florida is the sunshine state. You are in the confusion state.

      Keyboard Error. Press F1 to resume.

    3. Re:Pretty interesting stuff by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      i am also in a state of euphoria.

      --
      I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
  108. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Wires that bend! Great job on the breakthrough, guys.

    Seriously though, this sounds fine for integrating electronics into fabrics, but the "artificial nerve" idea conjures images on Christopher Reeve leaping up and tap dancing. This invention doesn't sound like it has any therapeutic uses that a normal wire doesn't. Perhaps users of vagus nerve stimulators or other devices requiring in vivo wiring could be a little more physically vigorous without worrying about things pulling or breaking... but I have my doubts about even that. sp

  109. This isn't that close to copy protections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't directly compare this to the DMCA because when you're talking about music, movies, and software, you're talking about 1's and 0's that can be copied over and over. They're talking about codes to ensure fairness in repairing automobiles so the dealers don't steal all the business. The reason congress is stepping in is because no one is going to put their 2004 Explorer on kazaa and share it. They're not talking about opening up all the software. This isn't about open source at all, it's about knowing what is wrong with the care based on the error code the computer spits out. qh

  110. Everything but the kitchen sink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can it make tea too? zvt

  111. DSPAM sounds great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will it keep all those GNAA posts out of slashdot? ;) tiv

  112. Re:From an (TRUE!) insider's perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, there were school closures "up here" in Minnesota as well.

  113. Only once.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh, too lazy to log in so I'll post as an AC.

    Only once have I ever seen my daily volume of spam drop nearly to zero. On September 11th, 2001, I got spam in the morning when I got up for my 8 AM class, and during the rest of the day...nothing. Not a single piece. I was getting at least 20 pieces of spam a day at that point (I'm probably triple that now), and I'm quite certain that my experience wasn't the norm, but it further reinforced the feelings of unease I had all day.

    Even the spammers stopped because they were probably busy watching CNN, too.

  114. SNOWSTORMS!!! by DoubleReed · · Score: 1

    as a california resident, let me just say you are crazy with all those blizzards!
    theres ICE on the ROAD in the middle of the day! it's unnatural!
    FROZEN WATER FALLING FROM THE SKY! THE END OF THE WORLD IS HERE!

    1. Re:SNOWSTORMS!!! by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      LOL. But seriously, in Jersey, it's rare we get big snows. For the last few years, we've gotten 2 or 3 a year, and it's odd for us to see anything near a foot. Further north, it gets worse. But I'll take a foot of snow over coyotes, mudslides, fires, earth quakes, and "the Governator" any day :)

  115. gmail & Spam by diver8 · · Score: 1

    I've been pretty impressed with gmail thus far. Honestly, I haven't done much to research their spam filtering, but it seems effective. I specifically used one of my invitations to create a spam box which I went about submitting to various web sites & posting to usenet about a month / half ago - mainly out of curiosity to see how long it would take to fill with spam. I've yet to get the first bit of spam. In fact, I've had absolutely no spam in any of my gmail accounts.

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    Check my journal for gmail invites!
    1. Re:gmail & Spam by pen · · Score: 1

      I used my Gmail account to sign up for the iPod pyramid, as well as a few other places, and have since been getting a lot of spam. The Gmail spam filter picks up about 90% of it.

      However, it also picks up 2-3 mailing list messages every day. (I'm subscribed to debian-user, BugTraq, and some others.) It has yet to pick up a single personal message, but I don't get many of those in my Gmail box.

      Overall, Gmail has the best spam filter I've seen that just works out of the box.

  116. Businessweek is on crack by mabu · · Score: 1

    Date, RBL rejects:
    Sep 6 19190
    Sep 7 19202
    Sep 8 20092
    Sep 9 23417
    Sep 10 23229
    Sep 11 17529
    Sep 12 19330
    Sep 13 27464
    Sep 14 24520
    Sep 15 20670

    Hey spam decreased on Sept 11 - that's surely evidence that the spammers were taking a moment of pause to honor our nation's "sacrifice".

  117. Correlation is not causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe the reduction in spam is causing hurricanes...

  118. I've notices a decrease in quality.... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Less and less spam is getting through my filters. I'm not getting the really clever messages that slip through as much.

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  119. Spam slow down??? by baddawg65 · · Score: 1

    What slow down on spam? In fact in the ever since Saturday I had the nearly the double the amount of spam at our email server. Amount from each catagory (porn, drugs, software, etc.) seems to be in same percentage.

  120. I think they're being rather overly optimistic... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Quoting a certain Cameron flick, a spammer ...

    "It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with... it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear... and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."

    --
    ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
  121. Why would it change? by AssFace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wrote about this over on my spam blog today.

    While this is a reasonable idea on the surface, the reality is that spammers aren't necessarily spamming from their own computers. So if they aren't spamming from them, it doesn't matter if their power is out due to a hurricane.

    Florida houses the people that are responsible for the most spam, but that is a legal thing (especially Boca Raton which has the most favorable bankruptcy laws for spammers - they get to keep physical assets such as their Porsches) - it doesn't necessarily mean that they send the spam themselves.

    The spam is cheaper to send from elsewhere (cheaper largely in the legal sense of avoiding "local" prosecution) such as servers overseas (Brazil, Korea, and Russia - used to be China until they recently cracked down on it), or from zombied machines.

    I have noticed no drop in spam, and I can't logically think why there would be one (although on the news they said there were millions without power - so perhaps that means there are zombied PCs taken offline that aren't spamming).

    --

    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
  122. I didn't notice a decrease ... by evslin · · Score: 1

    ... then again, I don't get spam, so it's impossible to decrease the amount of what I DO get.

  123. Internet use in 1989, effects of quake by ikluft · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Let's clear up a few things. Yes, the Internet was in use in 1989. We had been calling it "Internet" since 1986. Before that, it was a US government experiment called ARPANet, which was not open to civilians except for government sponsored research. But after 1986-7, the experiment was over, and the public Internet was begun. Years of experimentation was still needed before the public would begin to embrace the technology. At the time, we couldn't imagine the general public would ever understand the concept of a computer network. Though we sometimes talked about projections of Moore's Law growth of the Net, which indicated it had to happen eventually. We wondered if that would be the end of Moore's Law, or if the public could actually use the Internet.

    Back then, if you used the Internet, it was all a text-based interface. You'd log in to other machines by telnet. File transfers were by FTP. IRC was established in 1988 but not well known until the 1990's. (I ported IRC to HP/UX, sent the patches to the author, and didn't touch it again for over a decade because it looked addictive.) HTTP (the protocol of the web) wasn't invented until 1990.

    I was a Computer Science student at California State University, Chico at the time. I think it was a great time to be studying Computer Science and networking.

    By 1989, the Internet was already an international network spanning the US and all its Cold War allies (western Europe, Japan, Australia, etc.), with hundreds of thousands of users. The vast majority of users at the time were at large corporations, educational institutions and government/military sites. Direct access from residences was not yet common, though there were already some at the time. A lot of e-mail at the time was still transported in batch mode via UUCP over 1200-2400 baud phone modems, using the Internet only as a backbone along a multi-hop e-mail forwarding path.

    The Internet has always had some decentralization by design - it was designed by the US military to be decentralized so that there was no center of the network for an enemy to attack. Even after it went into civilian use, that was enough for it to "stay up" through the 1989 quake even though some sites went down.

    In 1989, San Francisco wasn't the center of the Internet or the quake - San Jose/Silicon Valley was. The World Series at Candlestick Park, the Bay Bridge collapse and the I-880 Cypress Freeway collapse that most of you saw on TV were all 80-100 miles from the epicenter, which was in the mountains spanning a 35-mile segment of the San Andreas fault between San Jose, Santa Cruz and Watsonville.

    However, many phone switches in the region crashed when SF's phone switches went off-line. Most of the phone outages were just due to too many people picking up their phones to make phone calls at the same time after the quake, which happens after every quake.

    Even so, many direct-connected Internet sites took as long as a few days to get back online. So as far as disasters go, it was comparable to Florida's hurricanes.

    Anyway, so that's a bit of the history. It was a well-documented quake so there's a lot of history to look up if you want to. Some of our younger readers were too young to be aware of it at the time, or not even born yet. The 15th anniversary of the quake will be next month on October 17. Those of us who were in or near the area still remember where we were at 5:04PM, or shortly thereafter when we first heard about it. I was just far enough away in Chico that I didn't feel it. (My parents lived in San Jose at the time and I had been here for both of the 5.1/5.8 pre-shocks, so I was very interested.) But others in Chico either felt it (in tall buildings), saw chandeliers sway or saw swimming pools start sloshing. Many in the US learned about it quickly because of the World Series (baseball) - it was San Francisco vs Oakland and the game was just about to begin. Live news coverage had just begun and all the satellite uplinks were already reserved and live when the quake hit so the media couldn't have been more prepared to cover a major quake. So you'll find a lot of info about it out there.

    1. Re:Internet use in 1989, effects of quake by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm very well aware of the history, DoD, ARPAnet, all that. My question was more of the evolution of data pathways since then, how a disaster in one area can/can not be gotten around today, and so forth. You touched upon a lot of that in your decentralization argument.

    2. Re:Internet use in 1989, effects of quake by fataugie · · Score: 1

      Actually, your followup should have been:

      When was the first spam message really sent? April 1994 wasn't it? Those god damn lawyers started it.

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      WTF? Over?

  124. CNN's two permanent headlines. by Chatmag · · Score: 1

    "Hurricane (insert name) pounds Florida"

    "New Microsoft patch to fix security flaw"

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    Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
  125. Re:I think they're being rather overly optimistic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean -

    "...even AFTER you are dead."

  126. California: Spammer running for U.S. Senate by dananderson · · Score: 1
    Much spam comes from Florida and my state of California. However, sad to say, California has a spamming politician. Spam King Bill Jones is running for the U.S. Senate from California. And he's not a third-party minor candidate, but the Republican nominee.

    Read all about it at billjonessucks.com

  127. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who f*cking cares?

  128. Why these vermin are attracted to Florida by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen the size of their cockroaches?

  129. Tired of spammers? FILTER 'EM OUT FOR GOOD! I do. by iamcf13 · · Score: 0
    Complete details here.

    From the above link:


    As it has been said in the past, email spam is ultimately a sociological problem. Since the hardcore spammers won't stop their abuse, filter them out for good!
  130. Re:From an (TRUE!) insider's perspective... by Naosuke · · Score: 1

    last I heard teh river had creasted and that the spam museum was safe.

  131. Sorry but... by King_of_Crunk · · Score: 1

    I am sorry but not trying to post anything that maybe regarded as flame bait but I could care the F*** less if i got less spam due to the hurricane. I am sorry I would rather deal with 50 more of those tid bits of joy a day being filtered out and deleted by my filters rather than see the destruction that has been caused the past couple months.

    To rejoice or even bring this up as something great due to the fact you got one less viagra email calling your wang small is sick and repulsive...

  132. Re:From an (TRUE!) insider's perspective... by TykeClone · · Score: 1
    It really did sound like Austin got hit hard. We were on the southern edge of that deal and still got 5.5" of rain. On Wednesday morning, our buildings had more leaks that what we realized were there :)

    I really do hope that everything is ok up in Austin. I was in Ankeny during the "floods of 93" and know how much that kind of thing sucks.

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    A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
  133. From The Trenches by nuintari · · Score: 1

    I'm a network admin for a small ISP in NW Ohio, and as a general rule, we outright block between 45k, and 52k letters a day, just from real time blacklists. The past week has shown us blocking over 60k a day, which almost never happens, but its been consistently high for a week now. So, I have to disagree, spam levels have not dropped off because of Ivan, or any of his less bolshevik friends.

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    --Nuintari

    slashdot : where an opinion can be wrong.