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Reducer2001 writes "USA Today has an article up that has a couple more details about the upcoming Star Wars DVD release. The cantina shootout between Han Solo and the green-snouted bounty hunter Greedo is virtually identical, but now it seems their guns fire almost simultaneously." Reader Jutebox150 writes "Time magazine has an early preview of the Star Wars DVDs and gives some justification for Lucas issuing the updated versions of the trilogy and talking about his many mental and physical battles to finish filming. The article also describes a 2.5 hour documentary by Kevin Burns that traces the origins of the saga. 'The first cut of Star Wars,' Burns' narrator says, 'was an unmitigated disaster.'" Reader spoco2 writes "The Star Wars Original Trilogy is due for worldwide release on the 21st on DVD, but the first reviews are appearing already in Australia (obviously of the PAL version). Yes, they are the SEs with even more differences (Now Gredo and Han shoot at the SAME time!). I'm afraid I'll be waiting for the day when George reconsiders and releases the untouched originals."
Oh shit. Time for a thread triage. Everyone complaining about how Star Wars is terrible and your childhood is ruined, reply here. People discussing Lucas and his never-ending quest to rape the franchise for more money, over on the left. If your contribution to the discussion is "HAN SOLO SHOT FIRST!", over on the right. GNAA... well, you know what to do.
"I'm afraid I'll be waiting for the day when George reconsiders and releases the untouched originals."
Riiight, you do that... can you also let me know when Duke Nukem Forever comes out?
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he's embarrased by the original trilogy. he should just get it over with and release the damn thing.
I haven't seen anything that makes me want to buy his updated releases. I think I'll buy the original movies on DVD at a science fiction convention.
anata sekai o kakumei surush ga nai deshou? Anata no susumu michi wa yoi shite arimasu.
I care.
Begun, this flame war has...
Isn't this a dupe?
nothign to see here.. move along
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can you imagine the trilogy transcoded on a beowulf clus...
OMG!
:)
That would be awesome if they figured out a way to put the widescreen version on normal DVD's and the "Full Frame" verison on black DVD's.
*starts looking at new TV's*
-Randy
I'm afraid I'm going to wait a couple of years until George ends up releasing all six with even more changes. I hope they took the wussy scream that Luke lets out as he falls from Vader at Cloud City though.
Is it available on blu ray, because DVD will be dead in ten years, and I don't want lose my 29 DVD starwars collection.
haha, no you dont.
(Now Gredo and Han shoot at the SAME time!) What are Star Wars nerds gonna bitch about now?!
They're very nicely done with good video quality. But expect for your ISP to receive an MPAA robolawyer DMCA takedown notice if you're using a US IP address. Now where did I put that open SOCKS proxy list... (Ask me how I know...)
The Holiday Special is said to have been altered too. In the new edition, Jefferson Starship shoots first.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
How tantric.. err..
So now we have Star Wars, Episode IV, designed by a committee edition. I may yet end up with the box set (we have a house full of furniture and need smaller things to put on our wedding "wannas" list.. yeah.. I hate the concept too, but practicality is winning on this one).
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as all guns are now replaced with walkie talkies.
*yawn*
well at least he seems to have made a partial concession on such a controversial edit. Show's he has at least one tiny spec of respect.
I bought VHS cassettes of the original trilogy, and I remember a compaign to the effect of, this is the only time you will be able to get "The Original Star Wars" trilogy. (Altough I would have bought it anyway.)
Then a while later we had big creen Special Editions, but of course this didn't contradict the previous offer, becuase it wasn't the "Original Star Wars Trilogy" even if it was only slightly different.
Call me a purist, but I think the akward "Kiss Goodbye" between Jar Jar Binks and Chewbacca in the cantina is unappreciated at best.
Also, I heard thanks to product placement, the death star now has the AT&T Logo slightly superimposed.
Lucas, tired of people still complaining that Han shoots first, and not at the same time as Greedo, will tweak the scene so that, even though the shots look simultaneous, it will be possible to demonstrate that Han's shot fired milliseconds before Greedo's.
However, I predict this will fail to silence the critics that still complain about Han stepping over Jabba's tail.
Can some explain to me what all the commotion is about regarding the cantina shootout scene?
1. Han cries "Nice one kid, that was one in a million" BEFORE luke fires
2. The wookie DOESNT win and C3P0 gets an unexpected "backdoor suprise"
3. Han is now Luke's father (See change 1)
4. The final scene in ROTJ has yoda wearing a ninja headband
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I wasn't sure how seriously to take it, but it seems to be corroborated by the article. (talking about having a better CG Jabba in ANH)
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*rolls up a newspaper and goes to Skywalker Ranch, finds George Lucas, and smacks him over the head four times*
NO! BAD GEORGE! GREEDO DOESN'T GET TO SHOOT *AT ALL*! BAD DIRECTOR! NO COOKIE!
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I loved the original trilogy, and really have no major gripes abou the new ones, but how many re-releases are there? Seems like every other month slashdot has an article about a new release, what gives?
One thing that was done on the Terminator 2 DVD was provide the original, plus the extended version with the deleted scenes. Both can be played all the way through as a movie even though the extended version is merely the original with deleted scenes spliced in, thanks to the wonders of random access media. My question is why Lucas hasn't taken advantage of that to allow certain scenes to be added/remove/changed to look like the original or enhanced version?
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
> The first cut of Star Wars,' Burns' narrator says, 'was an unmitigated disaster.'"
Surely he means "the first episode"?
Most annoying part about the Greedo change: the original version was a justifiable shooting in any state in the Union! Somebody's holding a gun on you and threatens your life - that's clear-cut case of self-defense, and you're entirely within your rights to shoot the bastard.
The article also describes a 2.5 hour documentary by Kevin Burns that traces the origins of the saga.
Which might make it worth it. I know I'll buy it anyway.
This, however:
'The first cut of Star Wars,' Burns' narrator says, 'was an unmitigated disaster.'
Would be very, very cool to see.
Sola Deo Gloria!
There's an in-depth review at Digital Bits, including some screen shots of the major changes.
For all of you who, like me, didn't get the Greedo reference, (probably less than 1% of /.) here's a link which explains the whole Greedo and Han thingamy bob.
Who is Greedo and what did he and Han shoot and WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ALL ABOUT?!
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Star Wars has gone from a good movie with good morals to a cow which can be milked. But since I am a firm believer that if I buy the Star Wars DVD that George Lucas will get rich and A> Make enough money to STOP making StarWars sequels and retire to Vanuatu ( or some other offshore banking island ) and vanish from human existence. B> Understand what he made was so cool that he will again try to make a better set of movies. Anyway will wait for 2nd had sales on Amazon or some other online place. Also another thing interstingly I bet Joss Whedon's Serenity will definately Kick StarWars, guns with bullets vs. laser guns. People don't die instantly they go through painful Hindi movie like ... slipping into a deeper sleep kind of thing... Definately Cooler,
But the lack of Light Sabre's will definately kill the emotional momments.
Seriously I am looking forward to Serenity. I gave up hope on StarWars.
I don't care if Lucas thinks this is the way the movies were intended; as a customer, I'm not buying it from him unless he gives me what I want. Yeah, I know millions of people will buy the DVDs anyway, but that doesn't change my position.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
For being the first, even in spite of the RIAA and MPAA's foolishness, to establish a clear, rational reason for the average person to want to engage in data piracy.
In Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, in an attempt to show the kinder, gentler, Annakin side of Darth Vader. Vader is quoted as saying to Luke "Please, please, please dont make me destroy you, this is your last warning, can I just give you a flesh wound? please..."
I'm still holding out for the version where Han and Greedo hug eachother.
[Lucas] talking about his many mental and physical battles...
He definitely has gone mental.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarstri logy.html
You have to be a dork to give a shit.
Waste of time. Go find something called a female to consume your time, unlike these losers.
"If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it." --- Arthur Kasspe
The article also describes a 2.5 hour documentary by Kevin Burns that traces the origins of the saga.
Did anyone else mis-read that as Ken Burns and think Only 2.5 hours? That must be one of his short films!
Dear Mr. Lucas,
Please stop screwing around with these nearly 30-year old movies. All you're doing is pissing off what few fans you have left, and making yourself look like an indecisive jerk having a mid-life crisis. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Me
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I still have my original 35mm film projection films, so some of US can keep the dream alive, too. If only I'd gotten the REAL stuff, the 70mm film.
At least Greedo and Han shooting at the same time is slightly more preferable to Greedo shooting first.
Although, you have to wonder how a killer like Greedo could miss at three feet away. Having Greedo shoot at all totally ruins the scene.
Its his (wads of) money, his idea, his movies, his studios and his story.
So fuck off.
If the guy wants to turn it into the porn version of pokemon its his problem.
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I think that like Star Trek that Star Wars may need to be retired for a decade or two. Let a demand build and use that time to write a quality script or two. I love the idea of the series but perhaps it could be executed better.
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In an interesting correlation, that same 1% makes up the subset of slashdotters who can get themselves some pussy.
Lucas could've done a Spielberg and replace all the guns with cell phones!!!
You people aren't being hateful enough...
In the original movie, Han Solo and Greedo are in the Cantina sitting at a table together. Greedo informs Han there is a bounty on his head, and threatens his life. Han in a casual sort of way shoots Greedo before he can get a shot off. In the re-release, Lucas changed this so that mean, evil Greedo shots first, but misses, and the more honorable Solo takes him down after that.
The reason this upsets so many people is that this scene established Han Solo as an anti-hero in the movie. He was a rogue and a pragmatist. The core appeal of this character was that he was not so damn foolish as to take his chances and let someone get the first hit in, if he knew a fight was coming. Han was street smart. He would strike first to survive.
Although many on slashdot are loathe to admitt it, this was part of the charm and good writing in the first movie that created its appeal. You had classic heroes,like skywalker. Who were good, but naive and ultimately had super powers to help them do the right thing. You also had heroes like Han who would do the right thing, but get dirty doing it. Characters like Leia were somewhere in between. She was "good" but willing to lie and sacrafice others for her cause. Reality tends to reflect this, which is why the movie spoke to so many so strongly. The changing of the Greedo scene cheapened the movie and its core complexities. Hence, the hatred on these fair forums.
my two cents,
-Iowa
"He who laughs last, didn't get the joke."-Cap
It'll be a 4-disc set, with the 4th disc having a 2 1/2 hour making of the trilogy special, as well as other stuff. The making of looks interesting, because it'll have clips of the original casting calls and try-outs.
LucasFilms also will be released the old cartoons and Ewoks specials on DVD this month.
-jls
Techno-pagan
You can find the originals at http://suprnova.org/ (see the Movies section) and get them with Bittorrent. It's also available at gazillion other places. Illegal in some countries, legal in others, but personally I think it's only right (in moral sense) that since I have the original THX release from -97 in VHS I can download this.
I would buy the DVD if it were available, but too bad for Lucasfilm. I'll never touch these new versions that have gone through socialist revisionism (the term that JMS, creator of B5 likes to use).
The release you can get is the "Definitive collection". Made from CAV-Laserdiscs and mastered with *good* comb filter, it also includes commentary track, menus, and there's also the supplemental disc with bonus materials. Anamorphic (altough the LD's are not), and the soundtracks are the original sorround mix, probably taken directly from LD-players digital out.
You can get the original LD's from eBay altough they are getting rare these days...and players even more so.
And on a related note, you can also find the Star Wars holiday special..George didn't get rid of it after all. I'm wondering if we could make a deal to George: Release the original versions on DVD and HD-DVD or Bluray(whenever it comes) and all the Geeks will in exchange destroy Holiday Special from the Internet...
There is a scene in Lawrence of Arabia where you see a camel riding slowly towards O'Toole taking time to do it. This was the entrance of Omar Sherif. Afterwards David Lean said he got it wrong, and that that particular buildup ended too quickly, however, he did NOT change it for the reasons given.
Although George Lucas's modifications to the original Star Wars Trilogy may be making it more cinematically pleasing, and maybe even more to how he would have liked it to originally turn out, what he is doing could be interpreted as defacing. The original Star Wars Trilogy are works of art in themselves.
Everyone would have thought it ridiculous if Picasso took some of his earlier work back, and touched it up to make it more realistic, or in fashion. I think the same way about the Star Wars Films.
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It's called branching. Didn't T2:Ultimate Edition have a lot of problems with many DVD players even software players until updates came out? I know WinDVD did when T2:UE first came out.
Not sure if this still happens now.
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Seriously people stop supporting this nonsense. Even if you don't plan on buying all these hacks, this constant deluge of information about changes, edits and new editions of this crap is still supporting this garbage by keeping up the visible mindshare capital of this franchise.
I don't believe any of these pictures are classics or sacred treasures but these films are not like Director's Cuts where the original vision was changed to get the movie to market, no matter what Georgie says. He is 'Robin Williamsing' these things because of his change in character after become a parent. That is, some famous actors, directors, etc... at some point feel everything they've done should some how be compatible with things their kids could watch.
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Give me the original 6 or hopefully 9 movies AND the same movies re-done to Lucas's liking.
If there's enough room - think Blue-Ray or other HD formats - put BOTH versions of a movie on the same disc and make it easy to switch between the two on a per-scene basis, or even watch both versions side-by-side.
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talking about his many mental and physical battles to finish filming
Uh...physical battles? I suppose it would be hard to slither off the dais in order to play the role of the new Jabba...
"I'm afraid I'll be waiting for the day when George reconsiders and releases the untouched originals."
Give me a break!!! You KNOW compromises galore exists in the movie making process, and yes the 'Cut" from that ie, movie release gets it's day, but to be fortunate enough to be able to go back and 'touch up' the story and the scenes has it's place too!
Star Wars clearly is worthy of refinement, indeed requires refinement because it is used extensively in many mediums, the CCG (Collectable Card Game, and yes ppl still play them), the online game Galaxies (Ontinarri, Eclipse =) and ongoing books and comics...
May the Force be with you, always.
Lucas on colorizing the three stooges.
"Star Wars" creator George Lucas, who testified with Steven Spielberg before Congress in the 1980s against colorization and other forms of alteration, said the process yanks such slapstick performers as the Stooges out of the black-and-white universe they belong in.
"Would color distract from their comedy and make it not as funny anymore?" Lucas said. "Maybe just the fact that they're in black and white makes it funny, because their humor is dated. But by putting it in black and white, it puts it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was.
"But you try to make it in full living color and try to compare it to a Jim Carrey movie, then it's hard for young people to understand. Because you're then thinking you're comparing apples to apples, when you're not. You're comparing apples to oranges. I'm saying it's not fair to the artist."
Part of Star Wars' charm was that while the special effects were advanced for the time, they were NOT excessive to any degree beyond being how they directly supported the plot. The extra things running around Mos Eisley, windows in Bespin... it just started being more distractive than immersive. The only two I absolutely agreed with were putting in the Jabba scene (yeah, it wasn't done well, but it did actually help establish Han a little more) and fixing the Hoth shots so you couldn't see AT-ATs through the actual instrument panel. (I'd never noticed before on small TV's, but almost a must for a high-quality DVD on large TVs.)
Don't get me started on Guido shooting first, that completely changed Han's daring go-for-it attitude as a lawless smuggler out only for himself. Having them shoot at the same time I can accept logically. Han decides to shoot, Guido sees it in his eyes and shoots as well. Of course, Guido missing makes little sense at 3 feet, but if he had hit him it would have been a pretty short movie. What really bugs me about this change was that it was never "I wanted to do this, but I couldn't", it was "I've changed my mind about how much of a lawless guy Han was at the beginning, thus weakening his story arc as he progressed to a caring person."
Huh, guess I got myself going. Anyway, I guess I'll go hit the local antique and pawn shops to see if anyone's ignorant mothers have turned in the laserdiscs of the originals...
R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
this comment might have been already been made Lucas will never release the version of Star Wars that came out in the 70's, that version does not exist to him. I would suggest those who want the un-funked version to either look into the Laser Disk version or VHS.
Forget Snopes & monkeys. This is where the real action is.
Even Jesus hates listening to Creed.
I'm old enough to have seen them all in their original theatrical releases. I think this was a great series of movies, and even enjoy the 'prequels' so far. I enjoy these films. I put Phantom Menace in the DVD player last month to torture test my reassembled home theater system, and we all couldn't resist - just had to plunk down on the couch and watch the whole thing. I own a select library of DVDs - but I have everything Star Wars (and everything Coen Bros - when you're good, you're good.).
I think his only terrible mistake so far is Hayden Christensen - he's so amateur he must be rubbing off on Natalie Portman (given her otherwise amazing performances in Professional, Anywhere, etc.) because she's way under her game for too long in these films.
Having said that, it's an artist's right to modify his work. Some famously - Michaleangelo later chiseled his name across the Pieta (pissed because viewers atrributed it to other artists), Van Gogh reworked the moon in Starry Night (it was nearly full, he made it a crescent) and Sargent must have ticked off Isabella Gardner - either she just finished eating or he reworked her smile... Alan Bean re-highlights aspects of his paintings when they are shot for prints...
This is not a big deal - and remember, Lucas was trying to pull off one of the biggest leapfrogs in cinema history, given that he didn't have the technology to do it all at the time. I don't begrudge him making these changes. Can he fix everything? Not in time to get this thing out the door realistically, and plain old goofs can stand. They are hardly noticed if you're watching the film as a film. Which is what this is all about - rousing stories of amazing things we don't see every day. This is escapism, not documentary, and what really counts is the action and drama.
I don't mind sounds in space, and I'm a scientist. If I heard them on NASA TV I'd take notice.
Things that can be done to knit the series together are fine.
Dramatic enhancements - great.
Better effects - bring them on.
It'd be nice if the originals were around too, and sooner or later I'd bet they do release them, but you have to pick the low hanging fruit first, and today's audiences (and technology) demand great quality of great films.
Imagine a DVD of the remaining print of Lawrence of Arabia before they jumped thru hoops to make it work with current technology and look on the cinema as it did at its release.
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Given the angle of the blast, we can deduce that Han did not, in fact, shoot guedo. There must have been a second gunner!
On the grassy knoll, of course.
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Did he at least put this line back in? what reason could he possibly have had for taking that out?
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
'The first cut of Star Wars,' Burns' narrator says, 'was an unmitigated disaster.'
:(
When I first read that, I thought he was talking about TPM... sadly, we get no admission that TPM was dreck
I'm going to pee my pants! My life is now complete!!! I worship you George Lucas.
I am so disappointed in you geeks - with a picture like Leia and her stunt double sunbathing in *the* outfit (at the Time magazine link), you guys are worried about who shot who first. Shouldn't we all be talking about whether or not that footage is included in the special edition?
*I hang my head in shame.*
I for one welcome our new [insert main topic] overlords.
Han shouts first!
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blarg.
While we're on the topic of Star Wars, anyone willing to venture a guess as to when the Episode 3 trailer will be coming out? (i.e., approx, how early did the episode 1, 2 trailers come out -- I'm sure there's a geek out there who would know that)
Why is everyone trying to act like it's not a big deal that R2-D2 and C-3P0 are being replaced with Crow and Tom Servo?
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Amazon have the DVD [US] | DVD UK both with delivery on the day of release.
Amazon often dispatch items a day or so before the release date, meaning you could get the edge over the masses by following this route!!
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For those who don't RTFA, I have the reason to do it. Check out the Time article. On the first page is a picture of Carrie Fischer and her stunt double dressed in the Jabba whore outfit suntanning. May the Schwartz(tm) be with you.
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I don't know how anybody can see the "original" version. Lucas was editing and re-releasing them from the very start, shifting scenes, cutting scenes, changing dialogue. When I first went to see the film, it had been out about two days. There is a scene on the Death Star where a bunch of Storm Troopers are chasing Han and Luke, and they yell "Close the Blast Doors, Close the Blast Doors!" And as the pair escape through the closing doors, they yell "Open the Blast Doors!" which I found very funny, and still would, if it existed. When I went back to see it a couple of weeks later, that line was gone, and has never come back. I guess having a sense of humor was not something Mr. Lucas wished to be known for. There were probably other, less conspicuous changes that didn't really catch my attention because I'd only seen the film once.
Mr. Lucas is a fiddler, a perfectionist, and he can't leave anything alone, even if his changes are widely viewed by his fans as being for the worse. Some creative types are like that. Picasso, for example, never considered one of his most famous paintings "La Damselles d'Avignon" as finished, and kept mucking around with it, making small changes, for over forty years, which must have driven fans of the painting absolutely spare.
the part where Han swaps that small bag of sand for the gold idol. Everybody knows that he would have needed a MUCH bigger bag of sand to match the weight of that thing. Sheesh, pay attention people.
2. Han shoots first
3. They shoot simultaneously
4. They don't shoot each other, they have a nice chat instead
5. Who cares?
Way to go, Reducer2001, by slipping that referral ID into the link for the box set. On a Star Wars thread, too boot; it's sure to generate a lot of cash.
I used to be a musician, and one of the frequent ideological debates I would engage in with other musicians was based around the concept of static or dynamic art. Many of them felt that once a song was done, it was done! No more revisions, this is the song in its final form. Why? If I happen to think of a better way for the rythymn to groove behind a riff, who cares if it was one year after the song was originally written. Ultimately we all fall into one of two camps: those who believe art is static, and those who believe it is (or can be) dynamic. I think the reason most people are so upset with Lucas' revisionism is because they feel that he is messing with the mythology of their childhoods. But I have news for those people: the release of Episodes I & II has already done that. Sadly, STAR WARS now belong in a category with Highlander and the Matrix: the first movies (first 3 in the case of star wars) exist on their own (as the masterpieces that they are), with the subsequent sequels existing in an alternate reality.
Better?
I'm quite pissed that Han and Greedo shoot simultaneously. Seriously, what kinda bullshit is that? I want Lucas to release it as it was originally intended in 1997, with Greedo shooting first.
Stop raping my 20's Lucas!! *shakes fist*
I'm afraid I'll be waiting for the day when George reconsiders and releases the untouched originals."
Well, if you really want them you can get them from overseas. Didn't say they are official releases but hey, George is only losing out if you are preventing a sale of an identical item, and an identical item doesn't exist on DVD.
Bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine, greedo shoots first.
Dear lord, get over it....you should be HAPPY, hes meeting you in the middle.
Ugh.
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
George Lucas is the guy who claims there should be a law that says if you buy a sculpture from the sculptor and put it on your lawn and paint it blue, the sculptor should have the right to repossess it or sue you or something.
He's a nut.
Besides, somebody tell me how Qeedo could be pointing his piece directly at Han from three feet AND fire at the same time and NOT hit Han.
That's one piss-poor piece of blaster proficiency for a bounty hunter. Boba Fett would turn over in his grave (or the stomach of that thing that ate him.)
I saw the "enhanced" version where they added Jabba to the original - these idiots took the EXACT SAME DIALOGUE uttered by Han elsewhere and shoehorned it into the scene.
It couldn't have stood out more if you'd painted Jabba blue.
But if somebody did that, Lucas would have sued him.
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They shoot at the SAME TIME!!! Holy $h1t!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Give me the THX remasted version.
Better sound, better picture quality, original movies...that is all I want.
-Mark
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From theforce.net (http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002 /16704309/?596)
---LIST OF DVD CHANGES---
A NEW HOPE
Confirmed :
- The opening crawl has been re-done to match the colour/quality of the PT opening crawl.
- Lightsaber effects have been fixed. The colours now appear more vibrant and the blades better defined.
- The lettering on various Death Star panels will be written in Aurebesh rather than English.
- An improved version of Jabba inserted into his scenes.
- Greedo still shoots first...however, Han's reaction is 'much more realistic'.
- R2's panels will be consistantly blue in all of the space shots, instead of just a few of them.
- The Dianoga now appears more lifelike and not so obviously Stop-Motion.
- The matte-painted hall in the detention block has been fixed rather than just having a bright white light at one end.
Rumoured :
- Stormtrooper voices redubbed by Temura Morrison (Jango Fett).
- The Emperor may possibly make an appearence to address the Senate in a new scene.
- The Imperial March may be inserted into the score in certain parts to maintain continuity with the other films.
- The 'Binary Sunset' shot outside the Homestead could have clouds to match Luke's later POV shot.
- Rumours of work on Obi-Wan's death scene with CGI.
- Door closings/openings could be smoothed out without the frame jumps.
- Rumour that the aliens and other creatures blink now to make them look non-mask like.
- Vader and Obi-Wan's fight scene may be upgraded with CGI work.
- Battle of Yavin shots cleaned up and recomped.
Denied rumours:
- Bail Organa will not be in ANH, for when Alderaan blows up.
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Confirmed :
- The opening crawl has been re-done to match the colour/quality of the PT opening crawl.
- Lightsaber effects have been fixed. The colours now appear more vibrant and the blades better defined.
- Ian McDiarmid is now in place for Emperor Palpatine's scene, rather than the monkey-eyed old woman. There are also a couple of new lines in this scene.
Rumoured :
- The Tauntauns could be re-done with CGI. .
- Rumour that the missing Wampa Attack sequence may be back into the beginning of the film
- 'Grander escape sequence' between Lando, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2 in Cloud City.
- Possible additional deleted scene(s) with Yoda on Dagobah.
- Boba Fett's voice redubbed by Temura Morrison (Jango Fett).
RETURN OF THE JEDI
Confirmed :
- The opening crawl has been re-done to match the colour/quality of the PT opening crawl.
- Lightsaber effects have been fixed. The colours now appear more vibrant and the blades better defined.
- Hayden Christensen appears at the end of the film in place of Sebastian Shaw as 'Ghost Anakin'.
- The Rancor's matte-lines have been removed.
- Naboo now appears in the end celebration sequence.
- In Vader's death scene, Shaw's eyes have been recoloured (to match Hayden's) and his eyebrows removed (as they would never have survived).
Rumoured :
- Palpatine's Force Lightning may have been re-done.
- Rumour that the Jedi Temple now appears in the background of Coruscant during the end celebration sequence.
- Work done on background matte-paintings.
- Rumour that the Ewoks have had CGI work done to animate their facial features.
- Rumour that Watto appears during the Tatooine celebration sequence at the end.
Denied rumours:
- Padme does not appear at the end alongside the ghosts of Anakin, Ben, and Yoda.
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Although, you have to wonder how a killer like Greedo could miss at three feet away.
Maybe he's had Stormtrooper training.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
Correct me if I am wrong (and I'm sure you will), but isn't Star Wars meant for a 6-year-old rather than a 37-year-old programmer who is bilingual in Klingon?
Some people have a way with words, others not have way.
So now Mel Brooks needs to come out with a Special Edition with souped up graphics that clash with the rest of the film, CGI John Candy, and Rick Moranis replaced by Hayden Christiansen's older less successful brother, Tove Christiansen.
"Under the spreading chestnut tree, I sold you and you sold me."
What about the lightsaber that never hits Obiwan? Vader goes to kill him, Obiwan sayes "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine" (or something like that). Vader swings, Obiwan "dies" before it ever touches him. I guess Lucas did not care to correct that
It is imperative that we use the word "rape" as many times as we can in describing the changes made to a science fiction film from the 70s. Most importantly, try to fit in the phrase "Lucas raped my childhood," but really, any sort of bizarre hyperbolic use of the word "rape" is mandatory.
Let's see.
I could respect a director who makes a controversial film decision (Han shoots first) provided that the film is made well, and it doesn't look like a mistake (see my film because it's controversial trash)
I could respect a director who admits to making a mistake in a film (or believes that his greater vision was compromised at first release) and rereleases the film with corrections (Greedo shoots first) provided that the film is remade well, and it doesn't look like he's just caving into a compromised version of his vision.
But I can't respect this. Either Lucas is stating that his vision was for Han to be a chior boy in bad boy clothing, or that his vision wasn't important enough to stand by, or that he has no vision, he's just doing whatever the polls say.
After watching Kirosawa's "The Hidden Fortress", I am fully convinced that the success of Star Wars was part plagarisim and part mistake. Lucas's disneyland inspired lightening up of the film in it's theatrical re-relase was touted as being closer to his true "vision". Every improvement detracted from the story and lightened the tone of the film. I mean, Luke's family was just killed, and we're supposed to be laughing at visual gags when it's time to go find Han. "Empire Strikes Back" probably was saved due to the extra help he brought aboard. Help which he now eschews in the episode 1-3 films.
Let's face it. We'll never have a good Star Wars until the Master stops driving his Empire into the ground in the name of Profit.
There is a petition on the internet requesting that George Lucas releases the originals untouched. Please sign it.
I'm afraid I'll be waiting for the day when George reconsiders and releases the untouched originals.
I don't really get was this is all about... Sometimes, geeks motivate this by saying that the Special Edition incorrectly makes Han Solo look less like who he is, but come on, the entire TRILOGY shows pretty well who he is. Lucas just changed some tiny bits here and there; how can those changes be so important? So you can re-live your geek childhood by watching the original??
I just don't get it... How can a few scenes totalling in just minutes turn one movie from "woo, I must have!" into "meh, unbuyable"? They might affect the plot somewhat, but when looking at the big picture, they definitely don't.
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so he can sell it to them. It's not because he cares what you think on a personal level. He cares only on a financial level.
And that my friends is how economies work. I sell you a hot dog, and I don't ask if your a furry. yea!
That episode of South Park really nailed the issue of modifing old movies, especially with the fake commerical for the "new and improved South Park" episodes.
One good thing about lucus "fixing" ep4-6 is that he might fix ep1-3 in the future. Fix number one: Anikan poops first (before going on set).
From the article the first cut was never released, it was re-edited in a completely different form. From my recollection the original theatrical release actually won an Oscar for Best Film Editing in 1977.
Please don't turn this release into an E.T. Anniversary Edition where, among other things, the guns are replaced by flashlights. Mr. Lucas, stop the second guessing of yourself and minimize the political correctness. Just give us the film we remember!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Here's a online comicthat pokes a little fun at the "Han/Greedo shoots first" argument.
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
"This is not the cut of Star Wars you are looking for."
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And so began down the path to the Dark side.
2. The shot of Carrie Fisher and her stunt double? Whoa.
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Yes, but is there any new proof as to the second gunman on the sandy knoll?
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Why do we see whiny bitch Ani(Christensen) in the final scene of RoTJ? Wouldn't it make sense to see Ewan as well, for continuity? I would like to say that wouldn't happen, as leaving out Sir Alec would piss off too many fans, but George doesn't seem to care about that with all of his other changes.
Then again, seeing Sebastian Shaw standing(rumor is Ani loses legs in/after the "great" battle) doesn't make a lot of sense either. Then again, I wouldn't want to see a stumpy Anakin. Maybe he has "magic legs" like Lt. Dan?
If I was a typical moviegoer for the original trilogy, then he's banging his head on the wall for nothing, or actually self destructively.
I was just mentioning my reaction to Star Wars (EP:IV ANH) yesterday.
There were these inexplicable commercials on TV about some movie, but I couldn't make heads or tails of them and ignored them along with spots for Palmolive Dishwashing Liquid, Fleismann's Margarine and anything about the upcoming 6 O'clock news. Then a friend calls, with an almost frantic voice, and asks have I seen the new movie something something. No... Go see it! Drop whatever you are doing and go see it!
Well, you don't get a phone call like that every day (though it may give the MPAA some ideas) I ask and it so happens my Dad, brothers and sister are already planning to go see it, because they've been told this is something really different. Gosh, what can this bee?
So I'm sitting in the theater with my bucket of popcorn and soda and watch the titles, ready for another thrilling cinematic experience, or at the worst, ninety minutes of nursing my snacks and then immediatley forgetting about what I've seen. It wouldn't be like that. Above the broad curvature of a planet a little spacecraft is coasting along with something like short bursts of phasers hitting it. Then the star destroyer seemingly passes overhead while the sense-surround in the theater rumbles and popcorn I just put in my mouth falls back out into my lap. Wooowwww....
The rest of the movie passes with chills of excitement and oohs and ahhs, I probably would have won a staring constest as I don't think I blinked once the whole time. I'd be back a few times, others would be back every day or a few showings every day for months.
When I got home, still late afternoon, I stood in the sun on the driveway with my jaw still slack at what I had seen. Looking up, as if expecting to see a star destroyer cruise over my house. It seemed space fantasy had taken a big step forward and it clearly had a significant impact on millions of others as Star Wars was a massive merchandising success (my sister still has piles and boxes of original stuff, clearly it impacted her more than myself.)
Video games would suddenly take on certain similarities to Tie Fighters, X-Wings, R2D2 and Darth Vader was the epitome of cool.
Star Wars rocked the world and gave George Lucas the finances and clout, which have carried him these 27 years, to do a great many things other producer/directors could only dream of.
It really is pretty awful that he can't be happy with this original artifact and, like some old silver coin with a patina, feels he has to polish it with some course cloth until it's bright, shiny and utterly unattractive to those who appreciate it for what it was.
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GREEDO: Is it not a melancholy today, Captain Solo? I morn the fleeting tentrils of night.
HAN: Well met, Monsuir Greedo. I was just going to eat a fine Brie and drink a bottle of wine with you employer. He wanted to confide his angsts to me.
GREEDO: Give me your purse of Francs, for lo! I have consumption and the cold hands of the reaper chill me even now. Life is but a cheap wench!
HAN: Does a man's life ammount to but a purse of gold? Are we ever fated to wander the maze that is life blindly seeking nothing more but piles of shiny metal? I think not!
GREEDO: Love is capricious and stern. She has taught me to be stoic. I will slay you without remorse, but with a light heart, as in doing so, I will save you all future woe.
(Han throws his drink on Greedo.)
HAN: Alas, the laughing mime has failed! I will go now, for, life is but a river traveling forever to the fate we are all blind to. A pox on your taylor!
(Han exits)
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So there are all sorts of stock replies to this sort of event represented here. I'd like to take this chance to present MY first reaction, which I have not seen represented:
Who Cares? GL with YET ANOTHER set of versions of these movies? How long will people pay attention to this? Because you know he'll keep coming out with new ones. He's already demonstrated that he can't avoid monkeying with it. Lucas is obviously living in the past back when everyone agreed that he was a genius and nobody questioned the quality of Star Wars. Now that he's fucked it all up he won't be able to rest until everyone returns to thinking he's cool.
Just Stop. It's over. It's over and you've cocked it up. It's time for you to go home now.
But here it is anyway, it details most the changes between original star wars, special edition, and the new 2004 dvd.
Updates StarWars scene image comparison
And... ...an interesting trivial tid-bit on the enhancement process to the trilogy.
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wow, i can't believe i just admitted being such a loser.
just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
I am a Star Wars fan, but not hardcore in any sense of the word. I have never seen the 1997 redone versions, mostly because redoing that movie sounded like the most retarded thing I had ever heard of.
I didn't even know about the Cantina shootout thing until this post, but it might be one of the gayest moves a filmmaker has ever made. The thing is, it is NOT a "Star Wars Nerd" thing....it's a film thing. If what I have read here is true, that is a MAJOR change to a subtle but important incident in the movie. If people don't understand why that change makes a difference, then they don't understand the movie or the character of Han Solo. It's not about whether the movie agrees with all the times you've reenacted the scene with action figures in your bedroom, it's about a movie that was good because of the story it told and the characters it developed being hacked by a director who used to know what he was doing but has now fallen off into a pit of mediocrity.
I can't believe the other changes he made either. Fuck continuity...who CARES for chrissakes? Who would complain about the lack of coninuity? No one. Who would complain about fucking up a masterpiece? Apparently quite a few people. Isn't this movie being made for the audience to enjoy? Apparently not because now the artist is rehashing his work, to the displeasure of the fans, on some kind of ego trip that's supposed to make up for the fact that he will NEVER make a movie that good again.
What is it with people? You go out and make one of the better scifi movies ever made and then shit all over it when it's released to DVD to support continuity with movies that NO ONE thinks are as good as the originals. Dumb Dumb Dumb.
Sorry, this turned into something closely approximating nerd-rage, but it's about ART...and if it's one thing I hate to see it's artists who sell out and forget what they used to be about.
That's why I don't understand why there is any controversy at all. Lucas is merely reflecting the reality of a little thing we like to call revisionist history!
Edit it again and again, Star Wars is still bad...
Can Lucas come up with some new ideas instead of beating this dead horse?
Don't get me started on Guido shooting first, that completely changed Han's daring go-for-it attitude as a lawless smuggler out only for himself. Having them shoot at the same time I can accept logically. Han decides to shoot, Guido sees it in his eyes and shoots as well. Of course, Guido missing makes little sense at 3 feet, but if he had hit him it would have been a pretty short movie.
Well, what George could have done was have Greedo fire first, and then have "Captian Binks" waiting in the wing to inherit the ship and continue the journey - so I guess it could have been worse!
Really though I'm in agreement with you, I dislike Greedo shooting at all but I find it a lot better that they would at least shoot at the same time (though like you say having Greedo miss makes little sense).
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You might be surprized to know that the restoration was done with a renderfarm of 600 Apple G5's.
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Looking at the screenshots at Digital Bits, at least Jabba doesn't look like the Golgothan any more.
Ok, ok, in all fairness, the Golgothan looks better than Jabba '97.
I was OK with most of the changes (especially the new Jabba looks about 1000x better).
But I found the changes to Jedi, at the end, very very disturbing!! That just feels wrong, to reinsert anakin there.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
and gives some justification for Lucas issuing the updated versions of the trilogy
Let me guess...
1. To bring the films more in line with his "original" artistic vision.
2. ???
3. Profit!
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... well, they do... overrated kiddie holywood, pretending to be serious and "deep".
I wonder how many years or generations will take to get beyond the original hype and see them for what they are: pretty childish, weak, black-and-white Evil-Good story, with fast aging, soon rendered to be ridiculous visual effects.
If the stars could laugh...
Speaking as a die-hard Star Wars fan from Episode III (1977), there is no way in hell I'm going to buy this travesty! The message needs to be sent loud and clear that NO ONE wants to see these epic masterpieces in altered form! The most obvious problem with these is that they just show how unplanned Lucas was when he conceived of the entire franchise in the 70s. Now he has to go back in and make changes to try and make all the films seem cohesive. What a lamer!!!!
Then there is all that bullshit with Yoda flying around like a greased up pig. For one thing Yoda was OLD!!! So there is no way he could fight that fast because when you're old you move slow! And that little old prune is WICKED old!!!! I mean like 900+ years old!! So there isn't any way that the known laws of physics would allow for a being that old to fly around and fight like that It's just not within the realm of possibility.
Now we also have the whole Backdoor Boys issue in the Phantom Menace. Why they picked one of them to play the teen-aged Anakin is beyond me. For one thing, he can't act (like he couldn't even sing when he had that beard in the Backstreet Boys). The other thing is that they stuck him in the altered version of Return of the Jedi. This completely flies in the face of the known law that has-been vocalists from teeny-bopper bands can't make more than one flop movie. And again, they used CGI to try and get around this. If there is one thing that I personally can't stand, it's when people use CGI to try and change history! Lucas should be hung for that crime.
Now, I don't know this for a fact, but I have it on good authority that the wrist watch in Episode III has been removed also using CGI. To this I have to ask W H Y ????! Is it really that intrinsic to the plot? Oh sure, I know a bunch of you are going to jump down my throat and say that the very fact that the watch is in there disrupts the suspension of disbelief and therefore ruins the movie. To that I say... It's ONLY a movie, don't take it so seriously!!! Besides, I prefer my reality to be unedited with warts and all. Lucas is screwing with reality and history. Someone needs to tell that guy that he isn't god or something!!! So in conclusion I'm saying that I won't be buying this box set and that you shouldn't either. In fact no one should. Make sure to tell all of your neighbors, friends, co-workers and trysting partners not to buy these discs. After all, when the market speaks, Lucas will surely reconsider and release the original versions of the movies. WORST MOVIE BOX SET RELEASE EVAR!!!!
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Your geek use of unfscked is not only unfunny and is reflective of your fat, sexless loser ass philandering child molester self, but also incorrect. Fuck you and your fucking fsck, Fucker. In this case the use of fsck is WRONG, because the Original Star Wars from Geroge Fuck-face Lucas the child molester (Graffiti, Star Wars and ESB are the only good films of his, the rest sucks and I want to get a pony to bite his penis off), the original is the uncorrupted file-system and therefore FSCK would do NOTHING to fix is, since it was unmounted cleanly. The new versions need the FSCK. FUCK YOU you fat Nuevo hippy geek sexless faggot fucker. Geek means no sex. Fuck you fag.
Richard Marquand and Irvin Kirshner. They directed VI and V, respectively. I honestly think that Lucas is trying to make the entire trilogy patently his and by doing so is forced to "rewrite" history. Granted, yes, the first was directed by him, but I firmly believe that the first installment was the roughest out of the 3.
Richard Marquand must be spinning in his grave.
Be warned: this is not your dweeby uncle's or your inner child's Star Wars.
"Your inner child can suck it!"
Not the trilogy that opened in 1977, 1980 and 1983, but the newer improved special editions of 1997, the ones with some new footage and updated computer effects.
They didn't do their homework; hell, it's not even the editions that opened in 1997!
Says Jim Ward, president of LucasArts: "Those are the versions of the film [George] had always envisioned. It's really an artist's prerogative."
...says Jim Ward, Lucasfilm's official middle finger.
In the documentary Lucas speaks of perfecting "things that I had to give up on because I just didn't have the time or money or the power."
So George always intended to have Greedo shoot first, but just couldn't get it together because of budgetary limitations. Sure, I'll buy that. I guess he also made Ewoks because he could only afford half-size Wookiee suits.
This kind of coherence begets controversy among the caretakers of movie tradition.
Wait, I thought we were just everybody's dweeby uncle a paragraph or two ago.
For them, New is never Improved, and Lucas' decision to release the updated films without the cherished originals is sacrilege.
Please. New can be Improved, if it's done for the sake of improvement, not PC cowardice and revisionism. And why are these Capitalized? Why did Time Hire this Guy?
That's some poorly written material.
Man... can't believe that these are "extra special" editions of the original movies... can't Lucas stop tinkering... I think that I might just rip the whole thing chapter-by-chapter to my computer and then burn a proper version with the original scenes restored (from my best quality VHS tape) and the extra scenes that suck removed. Oh well... Mine's on pre-order so it's not like Lucas will notice my displeasure in his wallet.
The lightsabers will be replaced with pogo sticks!
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
I for one will be happy with the new version of the shootout if george will only go back and fix the mix in "empire strikes back"
for those of you who might not have noticed, in the re-release on VHS, all of Han Solo's sarcastic one off remarks in the asteroid field have been mixed out. these few quick remarks were some of the biggest things that humanized that character.
among all the changes made in the original trilogy, this was the biggest mistake. as far as the others go I was thrilled to see the alteration of the ending of Jedi, which I generally considered the weakest of the three. (not actually for the ewoks mind you, but the overdoing of the "sensitive moments.")
side note, has anyone else ever noticed that the cinematographer from empire also has the rocky horror on his resume?http://imdb.com/name/nm0005893/
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...with faint praise.
Yes, they are the SEs with even more differences (Now Gredo and Han shoot at the SAME time!).
...using walkie-talkies!
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(Now Gredo and Han shoot at the SAME time!)
Also, Lucas digitally changed the scene so that Han misses and Gredo kills Han instead. Later, Gredo assasinates Jabba the Hutt and takes over his crime ring, and falls in love with Princess Leia and tehy get married and have a child who turns out to be Tiger Woods.
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1. Initial release.
2. Videotape (dropped a scene - which I can't freakin' remember NOW)
3. Added some scenes (with some really BADLY done CG at times)
4. YET another Edit...
Hell, Thomas Dolby is about the only artist I can think of who has re-worked the same material only to come up with essentially the same thing.
And the first one STILL is better...
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George Lucas announced that C3PO is a replicant!
artistic integrity of original work. i suggest bit torrent for the pre-se laser disc versions floating around out there. after all the movie i fell in love with is not the middle aged horror we all got in the end.
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I wonder if they left in the scene where a Storm Trooper bumps his head while going through a door...
Who the hell is Gredo?
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After all this time has he fixed the bad dubbing with Darth Vader's ANH hand waving in the one-on-one scene on the Death Star with Tarkin? This seemed to be fixed briefly for the TV release years ago but not since.
It all got sorted out in court
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Overall, the expected changes on the DVDs aren't as dramatic as those for the Special Editions in 1997, says Scott Chitwood, one of the co-founders of TheForce.Net, a Star Wars fan/news site. "I think a few of the changes will only make sense after Episode III," he says.
Hopefully this is true, but not because I'm one of those purist Star Wars fans, but rather I'd love to hear an end to the incessant whining sound coming from some of you.
BTW, I think Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi makes a ton of sense and is an excellent decision on the part of Lucas. It will really wrap up the continuity of the entire series of films in a simple and effective way.
Disagree with me? Probably. Do I care? Probably not.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
I've always been in favor of Han shooting first, but I can live with simultaneous shooting. It always bothered me that Greedo was like a James-Bond-movie-villain: too much talking before killing the guy he was after ended up in his own demise. Simultaneous shots makes Greedo seem more like a serious bounty hunter who just gets beat because Han is better.
Bear in mind, people, that directors (even Lucas) get pressure to alter their films, change things, remove things, cut corners, etc. At least give Lucas's new versions a chance before denouncing them outright. It appears to me that lots of things have been changed just to improve what he originally intended and only a few changes to tweak the films to make them line up with the prequels. I see lots worth being excited about, little worth whining about.
I'm especially thrilled that they took the time to color correct the damn Rancor scene in Jedi. It never looked right that Luke's shading was a noticeable lighter value than the Rancor's. It looked like an actor moving around in front of a movie screen. Judging from the stills on the site above, it looks perfect.
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Episode IV: A New Hope. Only subtle changes here. The cantina shootout between Han Solo and the green-snouted bounty hunter Greedo is virtually identical, but now it seems their guns fire almost simultaneously. Lucas had changed the original for the 1997 rerelease because it seemed that Han had fired first. Seemed? SEEMED?!? Seemed my ass!!! Han shot first, period.
FUCK YOU LUCAS, FUCK YOU!!! You son of a bitch...why can't you just give us the original unmodified version along with the "director's (in this case moron's) cut" with all the SE crap and nonsense. Most of the SE stuff is fine...but GOD DAMN IT HAN SHOT FIRST!!! QUIT TWEAKING WITH THAT; IT'S PART OF HIS CHARACTER!!! Damn you to hell, Lucas, you bastard...
What I really don't understand is why LucasFilms bothered to spend money on edits and new content. I might be way off-base, but I think the re-released movies would have sold as well (better?) if they had just released the originals.
Surely no one bought the movies for the changes?
All I have to say is
GET A LIFE PEOPLE!
It's just a movie.
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!
Get a life, people. Really. Star Wars in its day was something. Empire was very something. But from there it was all down hill, and Lucas killed the franchise decisively with his prequels. It's dead, and know what, the original Star Wars is pretty lame by today's standards. NO amount of re-editing will change that. If you've got Empire on VHS, you have all you'll ever need. But really you losers, it is time to get on with your lives.
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Go to amazon.com and buy the babylon 5 series instead...thank me later
Here are a ton of screen caps from the DVDs, including the bonus disc.
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Sort of offtopic, but lots of Star Wars fans will probably want to watch Lucas on Charlie Rose tonight on PBS.
http://charlierose.com/index.shtm
Just trying to give a heads up without KWing.
Everyone would have thought it ridiculous if Picasso took some of his earlier work back, and touched it up to make it more realistic, or in fashion. I think the same way about the Star Wars Films.
Leonardo Da Vinci was known for going back to his previous works, studying them for a while, and sometimes making changes. I guess he just wasn't satisfied either.
I still don't see the need for Greedo shooting first, however...
I would prefer that Lucas use modern tech to clean up visuals, and leave it at that. There is some argument to allowing back in deleted scenes which were cut because the studio thought the run time was too long. But that should be about it. Just leave it as it was, warts and all.
Lucas needs to realize that making mistakes is a part of life. And trying to re-write history doesn't mean those mistakes were never made.
Most directors aren't worried about fixing their previous movies. They are usually worried about making their next one better.
So what's going to happen with the Indiana Jones series in a few years?
I have all three at home, and love them, they are indeed widescreen... a little soft in sharpness I suppose, but still fantastic to watch and listen to. They will indeed tide me over until I'm sure George decides he can make lots of money releasing the originals as some 'archive edition' or similar.
According to the Canteen Veterans for Truth, Han really only shot a teenaged Ewok in the back.
A planet full where the guys are still jerking off over Star Wars and the women wear those fat ass Hipster jeans. (Which explains a lot about the guys actually)
Sigh. Where's the (Original) Death Star when you need it?
I think the new ending rocks, I NEVER tolerated the ending with the ewoks chanting that sissy song! ;)
The rest I would leave as it was in the originals, although I wouldnt reject the hans solo-jabba the hut chat either.
I will buy it anyway, but If George ever digitally covers up Carrie for decency's sake...then I'd really consider suing Lucasfilms!
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... it appeared the story was about Luke, but if you see all nine films, then you realize the story is really about you - in whichever role you have chosen for your avatar to play," Lucas says.
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There's also a collection of trailers, toys, commercials, posters and rare production photos. "It is a way of having a piece of the Lucasfilm archive," says the executive producer of the on line collection. "But it's also a way for fans who think they know everything to become inspired, surprised and amazed on a continual basis."
.. is one of the doorways. They enlarged it so that the stormtrooper no longer bangs his head on it....
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After all, there are at least 187 errors in the movie. That means we're going to see yet another Star Wars Trilogy update by GL in near future, if he is still alive by then.
Listen, you smashed body of a wretched animal. I suspect it wasn't meant as a compliment.
Furthermore, your grandstanding assertion that this is "one of the best [you]'ve ever had the honor of receiving" indicates to anyone with the barest grasp of Collaborative Discussion Theory that you've never uttered a word of substance. To anyone. I submit to you that any well-worded assertion predicated upon original and rational thought will raise howls of protest from the Mothers Against Drug Driving (rehash of the failed and immoral "temperance movement" (i.e., the recurring meme that encourages the insulting and unbiblical (cf. Genesis 1:29: "God said, 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;' and it was so.") suppression of the consumption of plants given to us by God for our sustenance and pleasure)), Million Mom March (attempt to subvert the respect for motherhood by associating the delusional wailings of those who cannot mentally separate a tool from its wielder with an unconstitutional effort to destroy our inalienable, individual ("A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing
arms." --Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress, Additional
Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788)) right to defend ourselves
against both foreign invaders and corrupt tyrants and
usurpers (note that Diane Feinstein has a concealed carry permit
but she doesn't want the hoi polloi, the proles, WE THE PEOPLE OF
THESE UNITED STATES to be on an equal footing with her; why's she
afraid of the well-regulated militia if she truly preserves and
protects the Constitution?)),
military-industrial-pharmaceutical-complex worshipping toadies.
Note the blatant censorship by Skull & Bones, Bush & Kerry, Kang & Kodos, yin & yang, there is no hope, your vote is a joke, the republic is dead, of "Chapter 5: The Right to Bear Arms" (compare Chapter 4 and Chapter 6)!
I weep for the future if you think a random blast of vulgarity is a "raving troll". Patriots question the "Patriot" act and Ashcroft says they aid terrorists, Maddox opens his mouth and censorship is attempted. We live in the age of feelies and soma and a lack of Quality (Pirsig) and you are amused by self-referential parody of the hopelessness of the age? You appendage of Cthulhu. Go back to your lair; we are not ready for you yet!
Your inner thoughts as you posted your ill-advised diatribe:
Indeed it was meant as a compliment. I laughed out loud reading it the first time around and still chuckled while reading it to reply. With this one though, and this is just meant to be honest critiziscm, you seem to have overreached a bit. The biblical reference is good, but you have to remember that amongst those "every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed[,]" are herbs and such that are poisonous. Therefore it was not God's intention that we consume all of them. The Constitutional arguments could also use further refienment. Argument by anecdote can be emotionally grasping, but it really fails as a means of logical persuasion. Finally, as for Chulhu, I haven't yet read any Lovecraft, but would be interested in any recommendations you may have.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?