Not hundreds of millions. Billions, tens of billions.
Because you lose business continuity (all those programmers have to stop doing what they were doing to rewrite the apps, then pick up again later on to waht they were doing, and hopefully haven't forgotten it all), as well as lost opportunities (all that new functionality they could have written instead of unIEfiying their webapps) and all the money the business units lose because they lost the use of the tools that were not developed.
Also, you have to assume that the programmers _can_ rewrite enterprise quality apps in non-browser specific code. That's a stretch as well.
Pulling a number out of my hat, I would say that less than 50,000 programmers in the US can write xhtml+ccs2 compliant code (not that they do--a lot less do, but at least they can.)
As far as companies being burned: suckers. They believed the FUD, bought it hook, line, and sinker, and now, they are royally funked. Oh well. I'll take that paycheck thank you very much.
yes, and for the very paranoid, the hardware encryption is the first line of defense. Then, the application layer is also encrypted. And for the very very paranoid, the data is obfurscated enough that the Username and Password are not sent on the same packets, and the passwords are salted and hashed (I'm hungry).
You can do even more... But this suffices as an example that hardware level encryption is not the last and final security feature that makes the world a better place. It's one of many.
That's because you were a windows user before. Now imagine someone who has never had a computer. (6 billion people minus 600 million computers still leaves 5.4 billion people (and that's not taking into account the fact that many americans/europeans use one at work and one at home))
Is that person going to be OK with linspire?
What if there were 600 million linspire users out there? you know, in the same vein as "there are 40 million AOL users out there".
you're right. Most people do not have any idea that you even can upgrade a computer. To them, it's like a microwave oven. They use it until it breaks, then they buy another one.
I would like to emphasize that the poster most likely meant the distro rather than the company behind it.
Suse == Novell.
I would stick with Debian.
Back to the story:
Linspire is a great choice. What Dell is testing is not whether its computers work, but whether Linspire on its computers work. If I were Dell (which I am not) I would test Linspire and entertain the thought of aquiring it. That way, I could put a useable OS in the machine without paying an OS tax.
Did research too. www.novinit.com redirects to www.jackito-pda.com
check out
http://www.novinit.com/produit_uk.html
Just to keep you guys reminded that france telecommunication and computing are relatively independent of what's going on in the US, so it's highly possible.
There is also the possibility that microsoft is having a hard time dealing with fixing all the vulnerabilities.
I wonder to what extent they find that fixing one vulnerability just break, and I mean mangles horribly, some functionality in Excel or Word that everybody has to have (like VBA or sum'thin).
It's like the domines are falling at microsoft, and that they are starting to realize that a rewrite from the ground up does not look to bad (at least you can start with a sound concept).
Of course, I doubt they could pull that off, so the next couple years are going to be really interesting.
Most of the time, however, the knowledge come first hand.
The thing to understand is that the articles generally will point you to external links and other related articles, and that becomes the sources for cross-reference.
In reality, most sources out there are biased and were not cross-examied to the extent the wikipedia can be, so ultimately, wikipedia will becaome more authoritative.
What I'd like to see is Windows Layer on top of linux, ala mac OSX.
Wouldn't it be great for microsoft to ship a "Runs on linux" version of windows? This way, stability, etc. Windows crashes, Linux takes over and restarts it after some fancy memory shenanigans.
Of course, that simply means we'd end up with KDE redmond themed.
Office? Who cares? The next real killer application is a web-based replacement for word, excel, and powerpoint. (Google, are you listening?)
Ultimately, though, MS will find itself trying to make money with XBOX and home media centers. As far as home pcs, office, and other software, they've hit the wall, and the wall is hitting back.
> Why would social and financial systems be safe even if they took "default user behaviour" into account? And safe for whom?
They are based on that. If everybody shared and played nice, we would not need courts and interest rates.
> Maybe it's fair that the schoolyard hulk that has trained and learned how to fight well always beats other people up. Fair in some darwinian sense... certainly it's not ideal for me!
Granted, but it's a dog eat dog world out there and until you get that firmly planted in your system, communism will still seem like a good idea theoretically.
Microsoft being a monopoly hams everyone. But I am not concerend about that. It's not going to last.
What I mean is if you have a bunch of combat helicopter and fighter jet pilots in the room and a guy walks in and announces that he can do everything he would ever need a plane to do because he just finished his half hour solo flight for his flight certification, he would get heckled, a few good natured hattaboys, and some smirks. Now if he announced that all other pilots are fools because they worry about high performance and reliability, he would get the beating of his life.
In aviation, if you make grave mistakes, you die.
In computer software, if you make grave mistakes (like running win XP unpatched with a cable modem hooked directly to the net and no firewall, and use IE with "low" security settings because you don't know any better, and a hacker steals your ATM card number and your identity and goes on a shipping/shoplifting spree, yeah, you're stupid. You'll even feel stupid when you get your bank statement.
Same thing: You leave your car, unlocked, windows rolled down, running, in front of a friends's house in a not great neighborhood, and go inside for 45 minutes, you're stupid. If the car was not stolen, you're a lucky fool.
In a perfect world, neither of these things would happen (of course, depending on your persuasion, casual sex would either not exist or be a daily form of exercise). We do not live in a perfect world, and people who fail to protect themselves and their belongings adequately get what they deserve.
See if th insurance company will pay for damages if you were not wearing your seatbelt while driving. Trust me, they won't. You were being stupid.
So yeah stupid.
Now, I do use windows, but I understand its limitations and use workarounds. (one of them is not to have my CC numbers on it).
That's why, every day, I encourage people to think for themselves, to read, to read between the lines.
It doesn't work for most, but once in a while it does.
By the way, social and financial systems take the default user behavior into account, so they're safe. The environment, on the other hand, (and that includes the penicillin-defying smart virii) is another matter.
As far as I am concerned, people who do not take their own lives seriously enough to read and educate themselves get the miserable lives they deserve.
Think it's callous? Watch discovery channel and note that the lioness goes for the antelope that limps.
A while back I was at a restaurant. I was also working in the restaurant industry, so I know good customer service skills. The manager at that Burger King on Sherman Way in Reseda treated his customers like dirt. Now, I though: "that's unfair" and I wanted to go tell him. Yet I thought to myself: "why should I help this man run his restaurant better? He'll just compete against me better. Fuggedaboutit."
(I'll get to MS in a second)
As I was driving away, I was thinking about the customers that go to that place. You know, the ones that don't know any better.
Now, you know, Microsoft understands that 90% of the world's people are generally stupid and uneducated. They cater to them. They give them crappy software that makes lUsers feel smart (in retrospect, it's hard, you know, to make something that makes a stupid person feel smart), they take their money, treat them like dirt (no phone support, no email support, we'll sue your ass if you steal from us), and the customers just love it...
I have no sympathy for those users.
I wish microsoft good luck in their endehavor to cater to the stupid 95%.
If that's what we open source people want to cater to, I say watch out. It's harder than it seems to make a stupid person go "this was easy". There's gonna be a lot of good high quality complex and powerful software that's gonna become mundaine and everyday for the everyman, thus absolutely unuseable by the people who have to get the work done.
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They should have nicknamed it XPsp2
On the off chance...
Not hundreds of millions. Billions, tens of billions.
Because you lose business continuity (all those programmers have to stop doing what they were doing to rewrite the apps, then pick up again later on to waht they were doing, and hopefully haven't forgotten it all), as well as lost opportunities (all that new functionality they could have written instead of unIEfiying their webapps) and all the money the business units lose because they lost the use of the tools that were not developed.
Also, you have to assume that the programmers _can_ rewrite enterprise quality apps in non-browser specific code. That's a stretch as well.
Pulling a number out of my hat, I would say that less than 50,000 programmers in the US can write xhtml+ccs2 compliant code (not that they do--a lot less do, but at least they can.)
As far as companies being burned: suckers. They believed the FUD, bought it hook, line, and sinker, and now, they are royally funked. Oh well. I'll take that paycheck thank you very much.
There are no windows in the basement.
>Is this an American phenomenon or something?
Definitely.
I've had people tell me that they bought a new computer after their old computer stopped working. Came to find out that the monitor had died.
yes, and for the very paranoid, the hardware encryption is the first line of defense. Then, the application layer is also encrypted. And for the very very paranoid, the data is obfurscated enough that the Username and Password are not sent on the same packets, and the passwords are salted and hashed (I'm hungry).
You can do even more... But this suffices as an example that hardware level encryption is not the last and final security feature that makes the world a better place. It's one of many.
That's because you were a windows user before.
Now imagine someone who has never had a computer. (6 billion people minus 600 million computers still leaves 5.4 billion people (and that's not taking into account the fact that many americans/europeans use one at work and one at home))
Is that person going to be OK with linspire?
What if there were 600 million linspire users out there? you know, in the same vein as "there are 40 million AOL users out there".
you're right. Most people do not have any idea that you even can upgrade a computer. To them, it's like a microwave oven. They use it until it breaks, then they buy another one.
You can buy the machines without os (or rather, the DrDOS OS) from their website.
r e. aspx/desktops_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd)
/., instructions on how to buy Dells.
Dell.com | Small business | Destop | N-series Desktop
(http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compa
I have bought some, and they work great.
PS: I never though I would be posting, on
> Redhat (known and trusted)
I would like to emphasize that the poster most likely meant the distro rather than the company behind it.
Suse == Novell.
I would stick with Debian.
Back to the story:
Linspire is a great choice. What Dell is testing is not whether its computers work, but whether Linspire on its computers work.
If I were Dell (which I am not) I would test Linspire and entertain the thought of aquiring it. That way, I could put a useable OS in the machine without paying an OS tax.
Multiple Sclerosis?
Oh, you mean Microsoft? I see.
How about MSFT, that way you reinforce the financial aspect (MSFT is their stock symbol), and you look like you know what you're talking about.
Quoting price in Francs? It's not 1999 anymore. Welcome to the Euro.
Did research too.
www.novinit.com redirects to www.jackito-pda.com
check out
http://www.novinit.com/produit_uk.html
Just to keep you guys reminded that france telecommunication and computing are relatively independent of what's going on in the US, so it's highly possible.
There is also the possibility that microsoft is having a hard time dealing with fixing all the vulnerabilities.
I wonder to what extent they find that fixing one vulnerability just break, and I mean mangles horribly, some functionality in Excel or Word that everybody has to have (like VBA or sum'thin).
It's like the domines are falling at microsoft, and that they are starting to realize that a rewrite from the ground up does not look to bad (at least you can start with a sound concept).
Of course, I doubt they could pull that off, so the next couple years are going to be really interesting.
Define server
:)
(i have maintenance and synchronizations scripts running on my box
Some are.
Most of the time, however, the knowledge come first hand.
The thing to understand is that the articles generally will point you to external links and other related articles, and that becomes the sources for cross-reference.
In reality, most sources out there are biased and were not cross-examied to the extent the wikipedia can be, so ultimately, wikipedia will becaome more authoritative.
Besides, you do know how to use google don't you?
You start you computer in the morning? mine stays up all week, and often past the weekend.
Thus my moz browser stays up all week too...
Unlimited rows and colums?
No local files?
Web-addressable cell locations?
Multi-user support?
What I'd like to see is Windows Layer on top of linux, ala mac OSX.
Wouldn't it be great for microsoft to ship a "Runs on linux" version of windows? This way, stability, etc. Windows crashes, Linux takes over and restarts it after some fancy memory shenanigans.
Of course, that simply means we'd end up with KDE redmond themed.
Office? Who cares? The next real killer application is a web-based replacement for word, excel, and powerpoint. (Google, are you listening?)
Ultimately, though, MS will find itself trying to make money with XBOX and home media centers. As far as home pcs, office, and other software, they've hit the wall, and the wall is hitting back.
Question on the phone:
"heyyyyy, whatch doin?" translation: "I wanna fuck, you free now?"
Answer A:
"nuthin" translation: "yea, get your ass over here."
Answer B:
"I call you later okay?" translation, I wanna fuck you, but I'm fucking someone else right now...
Answer C:
"Oh, it's you." Translation: "No"
Answer D:
"Ahahah! You're so funny." translation: I'd love to fuck, just not you...
mmm. i think it would be a different amout of money.
at 2 gig for $146, that's 1 gig for $73
now, multiply by 1024 for tera, and now you have $74,752
now, multiply by 1024 for peta, and you have $76,546,048
Mmmm. Tapes please...
> Why would social and financial systems be safe even if they took "default user behaviour" into account? And safe for whom?
They are based on that. If everybody shared and played nice, we would not need courts and interest rates.
> Maybe it's fair that the schoolyard hulk that has trained and learned how to fight well always beats other people up. Fair in some darwinian sense... certainly it's not ideal for me!
Granted, but it's a dog eat dog world out there and until you get that firmly planted in your system, communism will still seem like a good idea theoretically.
Microsoft being a monopoly hams everyone. But I am not concerend about that. It's not going to last.
What I mean is if you have a bunch of combat helicopter and fighter jet pilots in the room and a guy walks in and announces that he can do everything he would ever need a plane to do because he just finished his half hour solo flight for his flight certification, he would get heckled, a few good natured hattaboys, and some smirks. Now if he announced that all other pilots are fools because they worry about high performance and reliability, he would get the beating of his life.
In aviation, if you make grave mistakes, you die.
In computer software, if you make grave mistakes (like running win XP unpatched with a cable modem hooked directly to the net and no firewall, and use IE with "low" security settings because you don't know any better, and a hacker steals your ATM card number and your identity and goes on a shipping/shoplifting spree, yeah, you're stupid. You'll even feel stupid when you get your bank statement.
Same thing: You leave your car, unlocked, windows rolled down, running, in front of a friends's house in a not great neighborhood, and go inside for 45 minutes, you're stupid. If the car was not stolen, you're a lucky fool.
In a perfect world, neither of these things would happen (of course, depending on your persuasion, casual sex would either not exist or be a daily form of exercise). We do not live in a perfect world, and people who fail to protect themselves and their belongings adequately get what they deserve.
See if th insurance company will pay for damages if you were not wearing your seatbelt while driving. Trust me, they won't. You were being stupid.
So yeah stupid.
Now, I do use windows, but I understand its limitations and use workarounds. (one of them is not to have my CC numbers on it).
I do, I do.
That's why, every day, I encourage people to think for themselves, to read, to read between the lines.
It doesn't work for most, but once in a while it does.
By the way, social and financial systems take the default user behavior into account, so they're safe. The environment, on the other hand, (and that includes the penicillin-defying smart virii) is another matter.
I don't giggle.
That's because they don't fucking read books.
As far as I am concerned, people who do not take their own lives seriously enough to read and educate themselves get the miserable lives they deserve.
Think it's callous? Watch discovery channel and note that the lioness goes for the antelope that limps.
A while back I was at a restaurant. I was also working in the restaurant industry, so I know good customer service skills. The manager at that Burger King on Sherman Way in Reseda treated his customers like dirt. Now, I though: "that's unfair" and I wanted to go tell him. Yet I thought to myself: "why should I help this man run his restaurant better? He'll just compete against me better. Fuggedaboutit."
(I'll get to MS in a second)
As I was driving away, I was thinking about the customers that go to that place. You know, the ones that don't know any better.
Now, you know, Microsoft understands that 90% of the world's people are generally stupid and uneducated. They cater to them. They give them crappy software that makes lUsers feel smart (in retrospect, it's hard, you know, to make something that makes a stupid person feel smart), they take their money, treat them like dirt (no phone support, no email support, we'll sue your ass if you steal from us), and the customers just love it...
I have no sympathy for those users.
I wish microsoft good luck in their endehavor to cater to the stupid 95%.
If that's what we open source people want to cater to, I say watch out. It's harder than it seems to make a stupid person go "this was easy". There's gonna be a lot of good high quality complex and powerful software that's gonna become mundaine and everyday for the everyman, thus absolutely unuseable by the people who have to get the work done.
It is too late...
:)
Am already married