Very, very unlikely. Far more likely is the key just being present in plain in the memory occupied by the player, Simply do triel-decryption with any 16 byte sequence in there. Easy, really and will not take long. Even if they do obfuscation, the cipher should be easy to find in memory. THen you can read out the key setup.
Heh, yeah, and if you read the Doom9 forum in the story about this, you'd see this is how it was done. They found the addresses of where WinDVD stored the plaintext keys.
But it's volume keys leaking? Sure, they could re-encode the content and release new copies (hmm, to what estimated extra costs??) for a volume key revocation, but what use would that be when the previous version of the disc has already been decrypted and released as torrents?
I hope you mean that the current protection isn't a generally useful solution... right?
Because while new discs can be pressed, which pirate would be stupid enough to buy stuff from a store and trying to decrypt it, when s/he can just download the previously decrypted version from a favorite BitTorrent tracker? You know, how things mostly work today with DVD's? And while compromised players can have their keys revoked, hackers can just use another player. If hackers wish, they can also next time be more secretive about which player they're using to get the volume keys for decryption with, internally to their warez group, to significantly slow down software player bans.
What I wonder most is what will happen to the software HD-DVD player industry now... I can seriously see the movie industry stopping to support all of them now to protect key extraction.
(Has Mythbusters tried nailing jello to a wall yet?)
I don't think so, but maybe they just don't want to look as stupid as some MPAA studio executives are right now.
I wonder how they'll motive their DRM budgets now?
And now also comes step 2 with DRM, the dark side of it... That pirates will have a more easy time to deal with HD-DVD's compared to legit users than ever, much moreso than DVD's which only have region coding.
I thought short movie clips qualified as fair use without need for a copyright holder permission, and that YouTube video contained no more than that...
I wonder if the school board realize this, and if not, it would make the whole thing seem even sillier, because they're both a school that's supposed to be knowledgeable in science, and talking about science.
TPB has had no problems in the past getting donations for their quite impressive tracker power. Of course, this is on a whole different scale, however, that pirates donate is not news. I also don't understand what's so "humorous" about the Pirate Party? It's a serious party that actually got mentioned at national TV on election day, being reasonably close some other specialist parties that have had some media coverage.
Yes, they're saying everything not part of the OS is crap, and I tend to agree...
Crap, cruft, call it whatever you wish... It's stuff installed on the OS when I wish to have a clean copy of my OS from the start.
You can call the OS *itself* crap, sure, but then you shouldn't purchase a laptop with Windows preinstalled. There exist several alternatives for that option these days.
Yes, I think it is... I remember a recent Dell laptop we got... It was so riddled with crap that at the first boot, before we had uninstalled a lot of stuff like antivirus tool *trials* and whatnot, we had confirmations and requests to do stuff basically whatever step we tried to take in Windows. Why can't these just set up their Windows installs with whatever drivers they need (drivers, not applications) and leave the user with a stack of CD's to install. They could even call the apps on those as "value added products" to try make the user feel like they get more for their money, if that would make the exec's happier.:-p
Why not just give up wasting your time and start studying solutions in development instead? It feels way more constructive. The temperature levels are apparently on the rise, and CO2 levels are extremely high, far moreso than even 600,000 years ago by studying Atlantic ice cores.
One can only speculate as to what Microsoft was thinking when they made the Game Explorer, because the only useful context where parental controls work is when a consumer installs a game from a CD where presumably, in the case of young children, the parents checked the ESRB rating before buying it. The need for a highly specialized search folder for games is strange, since most consumers only own a few games. The greatest need for managing a long list of games and parental controls is for online content search and discovery, which the Game Explorer doesn't support.
The game explorer is intended to provide ESRB rating support, along with presenting additional metadata in a clean and visible way... Part of this metadata would be things like system requirements. All these things are non-standard for a typical folder so MS made a special "center" for it instead. I don't really see a problem with this, and would rather not have this 3rd party developer change its behavior, like he complains he can't. That would be altering standard OS behavior, and as bad as those antivirus companies wishing to change the Vista Security Center. Just develop your app, use their provided API and get along with it. I sure don't want an ad-laden new and "improved" security center with a load of cruft to promote their products in, because I'm sure that's what they want.:-p
The intrusive dialogs are also oddly pointless, because Vista's frequent warning dialogs do nothing to differentiate legitimate commercial software from known hazardous products, so consumers will still mistakenly install malware.
The big reasons behind them is part to not allow malware piggyback on legit software and part to inform a user that machine local (and not just user local) changes to the system is about to be made, for example by copying something out of your user folder. Try copying things inside your home directory and you'll see you won't be bothered, same if a software is writing its settings to your user folder. A problem I see today is that far too few Windows applications and games are user-aware.
So they're making a definity imnprovement of the product availability to their customers, making a definite cost reduction, with only a theoretical risk of noticeably increased piracy? Yeah, that sounds logical here too, and I wonder what took them so long. Pirates aren't those crying out at DRM, they use BitTorrent or other P2P nets. That's the biggest design hole of DRM, IMHO. Maybe the point was to not have a single pirate be able to rip (one is enough) that protection or gain it from other sources where it's not protected (or before it is), but all I can say about that idea is "dream on".
4. The name. "What the hell is a 'blue...ray'?" When you say HD-DVD they at the very least have a good idea that it's some type of movie disc.
Maybe the Blu-ray alliance should think about calling it BD-ROM more often than e.g. "Blu-ray disc", and when that word is needed, instead refer to it as "BD", as in "BD player". At least that sounds like it could help for some.
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Very, very unlikely. Far more likely is the key just being present in plain in the memory occupied by the player, Simply do triel-decryption with any 16 byte sequence in there. Easy, really and will not take long. Even if they do obfuscation, the cipher should be easy to find in memory. THen you can read out the key setup.
Heh, yeah, and if you read the Doom9 forum in the story about this, you'd see this is how it was done. They found the addresses of where WinDVD stored the plaintext keys.
Revoke the key. It will happen each time.
But it's volume keys leaking? Sure, they could re-encode the content and release new copies (hmm, to what estimated extra costs??) for a volume key revocation, but what use would that be when the previous version of the disc has already been decrypted and released as torrents?
As such, this is not a generally useful solution.
I hope you mean that the current protection isn't a generally useful solution... right?
Because while new discs can be pressed, which pirate would be stupid enough to buy stuff from a store and trying to decrypt it, when s/he can just download the previously decrypted version from a favorite BitTorrent tracker? You know, how things mostly work today with DVD's? And while compromised players can have their keys revoked, hackers can just use another player. If hackers wish, they can also next time be more secretive about which player they're using to get the volume keys for decryption with, internally to their warez group, to significantly slow down software player bans.
What I wonder most is what will happen to the software HD-DVD player industry now...
I can seriously see the movie industry stopping to support all of them now to protect key extraction.
(Has Mythbusters tried nailing jello to a wall yet?)
I don't think so, but maybe they just don't want to look as stupid as some MPAA studio executives are right now.
I wonder how they'll motive their DRM budgets now?
And now also comes step 2 with DRM, the dark side of it...
That pirates will have a more easy time to deal with HD-DVD's compared to legit users than ever, much moreso than DVD's which only have region coding.
That's my favorite part with DRM protections.
I thought short movie clips qualified as fair use without need for a copyright holder permission, and that YouTube video contained no more than that...
Heh, somehow tagging this article with "nelson" seems appropriate... :-p
And the reason behind my sig is that it also steals the user's fair use rights.
How long do New Line keep their rights to the Hobbit movie?
I heard something about it not being many years at all after not starting production.
And many other movie execs would probably be eager to orgasm levels to make a Hobbit movie with Peter Jackson.
I wonder if the school board realize this, and if not, it would make the whole thing seem even sillier, because they're both a school that's supposed to be knowledgeable in science, and talking about science.
TPB has had no problems in the past getting donations for their quite impressive tracker power. Of course, this is on a whole different scale, however, that pirates donate is not news. I also don't understand what's so "humorous" about the Pirate Party? It's a serious party that actually got mentioned at national TV on election day, being reasonably close some other specialist parties that have had some media coverage.
I now typed in www.microsoft.com/unix and got this
:-S
An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator.
I wonder if I crashed something.
and BUNDLED them without USER APPROVAL
;-)
Did you lose your train of thought halfway through?
Yes, they're saying everything not part of the OS is crap, and I tend to agree...
Crap, cruft, call it whatever you wish... It's stuff installed on the OS when I wish to have a clean copy of my OS from the start.
You can call the OS *itself* crap, sure, but then you shouldn't purchase a laptop with Windows preinstalled.
There exist several alternatives for that option these days.
Is this a serious concern
:-p
Yes, I think it is... I remember a recent Dell laptop we got... It was so riddled with crap that at the first boot, before we had uninstalled a lot of stuff like antivirus tool *trials* and whatnot, we had confirmations and requests to do stuff basically whatever step we tried to take in Windows. Why can't these just set up their Windows installs with whatever drivers they need (drivers, not applications) and leave the user with a stack of CD's to install. They could even call the apps on those as "value added products" to try make the user feel like they get more for their money, if that would make the exec's happier.
Christ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein-coated_disc
Bring me an edit window of at least 30 secs, Slashdot?
You could make a 5 foot, crystal clear shot of balls slapping an ass. *shudder*
:-S
I bet that video would have to be stored on those protein coated discs...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHDV
Hot damn!
studying Atlantic ice cores.
Gah, Antarctic of course... Hey, they at least both start with an A... X-(
You may wish to study something like this too...
e mperature_Record.png
e -plot.svg
It goes back by more than 100 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_T
And since CO2 correlates heavily with temperature due to the greenhouse effect, this one might be interesting too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Co2-temperatur
Why not just give up wasting your time and start studying solutions in development instead? It feels way more constructive. The temperature levels are apparently on the rise, and CO2 levels are extremely high, far moreso than even 600,000 years ago by studying Atlantic ice cores.
The game explorer is intended to provide ESRB rating support, along with presenting additional metadata in a clean and visible way... Part of this metadata would be things like system requirements. All these things are non-standard for a typical folder so MS made a special "center" for it instead. I don't really see a problem with this, and would rather not have this 3rd party developer change its behavior, like he complains he can't. That would be altering standard OS behavior, and as bad as those antivirus companies wishing to change the Vista Security Center. Just develop your app, use their provided API and get along with it. I sure don't want an ad-laden new and "improved" security center with a load of cruft to promote their products in, because I'm sure that's what they want.
The big reasons behind them is part to not allow malware piggyback on legit software and part to inform a user that machine local (and not just user local) changes to the system is about to be made, for example by copying something out of your user folder. Try copying things inside your home directory and you'll see you won't be bothered, same if a software is writing its settings to your user folder. A problem I see today is that far too few Windows applications and games are user-aware.
So they're making a definity imnprovement of the product availability to their customers, making a definite cost reduction, with only a theoretical risk of noticeably increased piracy? Yeah, that sounds logical here too, and I wonder what took them so long. Pirates aren't those crying out at DRM, they use BitTorrent or other P2P nets. That's the biggest design hole of DRM, IMHO. Maybe the point was to not have a single pirate be able to rip (one is enough) that protection or gain it from other sources where it's not protected (or before it is), but all I can say about that idea is "dream on".
I agree, but I can have oversight with that if HVD's enter the market, and cheaply. ;-)
Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.Of.The.Sith.2005.10
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920x816 25.00fps [Video] 135min
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]
Size: 7.92gb
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SPIDERMAN 2 -HD-DVD Rip (Xvid)
HDTV
1280x720 (16:9), 25fps, XviD MPEG-4 Codec, 4009 kbps
AC-3, 6 Channels, 448 kbps, 48KHz
Size: 4420 Mb
Hmm, sure looks like it, but I'll admit I haven't got any of these two for example to check.
Maybe the Blu-ray alliance should think about calling it BD-ROM more often than e.g. "Blu-ray disc", and when that word is needed, instead refer to it as "BD", as in "BD player". At least that sounds like it could help for some.