They do indeed. Though what they build is things that their clients want.
In the case of ATM's, their clients not only want, but rather insist most absolutely, that they be secure and fully auditable.
In the case of these voting machines, their client would like a machine that gives them a voting advantage.
Damned, it's near genius really in an evil way. The exploits in point don't even need to be used at all to be used as a tool in manipulating the outcome of the next election. Should they win, well they can stand firmly behind the technology. Should they loose, well look at this exploit that must have been used. These are insecure and invalid! Seed of doubt.
Do you really think that people aren't too stupid to vote correctly electronically?
I doubt very much we could ever 'get it right' as you say. Realistically, it's about getting it as right as is reasonably possible, and at this point there just isn't an electronic voting system out there that doesn't introduce _more_ problems than are experienced with paper voting.
At least with paper voting, (as was mentioned above I believe as well) you have the paper trail you can always go back to, and these 'stupid' votes can be accounted for. Try finding the 'stupid' electronic votes.
Is it poisonous? I always thought it was the fact that tin cans had to be sealed with something else, which at one time was lead, which most certainly was bad.
He is talking about _this_ picture in particular, not one similar to it.
I first saw this picture at least 2 years ago, though I'm thinking even longer. It was my wallpaper for well over a year and hasn't been now for at least a year.
Heh, actually yesterday I was coming home from a funeral in Alabama on I75, heading to Port Huron.
Nice drive, no problems...until Toledo.
All of a sudden, with absolutely no notice, traffic stopped.
An hour and a half, and 2 miles later, we were through and no more problems.
They had funnelled 3+ (on ramps and such) lanes of traffic down to 1.
Didn't see a SINGLE worker throughout the whole ordeal.
Why?
So some small patches of cement could dry. They did ALL lanes except for 1 at once.
If they'd at least posted a warning ONE MEASLY MILE BEFORE, I could have gone around.
Just as I was exiting the construction zone, there was a sign proclaiming that all lanes except one would be closed from Friday at 9pm until monday at 6am. Gee, thanks guys!
Don't know about PA, but my vote's on Michigan for worst roads.
I wouldn't even try to define the point of it all, but I have a large view on what the point is NOT.
I'm pretty sure that in the grand scheme of things, working ones tail off for a corporation is certainly quite pointless.
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Don't make the mistake of assuming you have no choice, and that you have made no choices. You have made your bed, and appear to have no problem in lying in it. That's great, but you have made a choice to live your life this way, the company you work for did not force this on you.
Who is forcing you to work for that employer? Nobody except yourself. Don't like it? Change. Can't find a better employer? Be your own. There is ALWAYS choice.
Concidering you appear to be sacrificing your own personal life for work, what good is cold hard cash? If you choose to work constantly, why bother with paying for accommodations, transportation, nice clothing, toys, television etc etc. I.E.: What does that cash get you?
And what does accolades and respect of your colleagues and a better resume get you other than more of the same?
And how does this make it clear what the more productive choice is? Not that you've convinced me as I already had this view, but your argument reaffirms my convictions that the exact opposite is true.
Think of it another way, when you're gone will your corporation remember you and your contributions? I know my family will.
I was generalizing, and there are certainly construction companies out there where this is not acceptable.
Look for a smaller, non-unionized private construction firm whose core business isn't latched to a single city contract or similar. They exist and can be quite good jobs.
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Careful, I never suggested I'm living in the fast lane.
I cherish my time above all else. I work to live and nothing more. I do not and never will live to work.
I work an 8 hour day 5 days a week on average. I will not work overtime unless it is compensated with flex-time. My work days fly by and the _rest_ of my life gives me the impression of a longer life.
It's up to us as individuals to make these choices and decisions though, and to stick to them. Our employers are not people, they are corporations and they will use us as much as we let them.
Choose not to let them, you'll be a happier human being for it I assure you.
Are Americans actually more successful? No wait, I retract that...I really don't think I want to open _that_ can of worms today;)
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Great point. (Not always the case as you have implied, but certainly true much of the time)
Anyone ever had a job on a roadwork crew? What happened when you showed up on your first day and tried to actually work a full day without standing around with your thumb up your ass?
I quit after 2 weeks of being shown that it is not actually acceptable to 'work' all day long. How people can show up to a job day in and day out and fuck the dog all day every day is beyond me. In my experience this leads to the LONGEST days imaginable. Working is a heck of a lot easier when you actually work. (You know those days where you don't even get a chance to think hardly, and they're typically over before you realize the day was even begun!)
Those 3 statements just don't add up to an insightful comment without a) data backing up each of those points and b) something to correlate those 3 statements together.
I'm not sure I understand why my comment pissed you off so much. Seems to have hit pretty close to home in some way. Ahh well, don't have a heart attack mmm kay?
Ahh, yes, of course. The almighty buck. With your attitude we're fucked.
Thankfully there are people like myself with different attitudes. If I had cash to throw at this problem, it'd be there already. I don't care if there is no FINANCIAL return on investment, the gain from succeeding in this area cannot be measured against the almighty buck.
I really have trouble believing that any sort of fusion project, especially one funded by the states, has a measly budget of 2 million a year.
Who would agree to work on that project? That'd be an impossible and insulting proposition. Doesn't even remotely add up.
Pretty sure those numbers can't be accurate, or if they are, it seems as if the funding would have been set that way to ensure the project would never even get started in the first place.
Good call, very interesting. It is a peripheral device, but yes the point is that it is controlled by events occuring on a computing device like email arriving etc.
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They do indeed. Though what they build is things that their clients want.
In the case of ATM's, their clients not only want, but rather insist most absolutely, that they be secure and fully auditable.
In the case of these voting machines, their client would like a machine that gives them a voting advantage.
Damned, it's near genius really in an evil way. The exploits in point don't even need to be used at all to be used as a tool in manipulating the outcome of the next election. Should they win, well they can stand firmly behind the technology. Should they loose, well look at this exploit that must have been used. These are insecure and invalid! Seed of doubt.
Do you really think that people aren't too stupid to vote correctly electronically?
I doubt very much we could ever 'get it right' as you say. Realistically, it's about getting it as right as is reasonably possible, and at this point there just isn't an electronic voting system out there that doesn't introduce _more_ problems than are experienced with paper voting.
At least with paper voting, (as was mentioned above I believe as well) you have the paper trail you can always go back to, and these 'stupid' votes can be accounted for. Try finding the 'stupid' electronic votes.
Maybe it is _you_ sir that is beside the point.
Just a note:
Dual p4 and dual G5 do NOT equal any sort of dual-core. Totally offtopic and unrelated, and totally unnoticed by anyone. Interesting.
Is it poisonous? I always thought it was the fact that tin cans had to be sealed with something else, which at one time was lead, which most certainly was bad.
He is talking about _this_ picture in particular, not one similar to it.
I first saw this picture at least 2 years ago, though I'm thinking even longer.
It was my wallpaper for well over a year and hasn't been now for at least a year.
Heh, actually yesterday I was coming home from a funeral in Alabama on I75, heading to Port Huron.
Nice drive, no problems...until Toledo.
All of a sudden, with absolutely no notice, traffic stopped.
An hour and a half, and 2 miles later, we were through and no more problems.
They had funnelled 3+ (on ramps and such) lanes of traffic down to 1.
Didn't see a SINGLE worker throughout the whole ordeal.
Why?
So some small patches of cement could dry.
They did ALL lanes except for 1 at once.
If they'd at least posted a warning ONE MEASLY MILE BEFORE, I could have gone around.
Just as I was exiting the construction zone, there was a sign proclaiming that all lanes except one would be closed from Friday at 9pm until monday at 6am. Gee, thanks guys!
Don't know about PA, but my vote's on Michigan for worst roads.
Hmm, I never seem to win video games either, go figure ;)
Apparently so.
I wouldn't even try to define the point of it all, but I have a large view on what the point is NOT.
I'm pretty sure that in the grand scheme of things, working ones tail off for a corporation is certainly quite pointless.
Don't make the mistake of assuming you have no choice, and that you have made no choices. You have made your bed, and appear to have no problem in lying in it. That's great, but you have made a choice to live your life this way, the company you work for did not force this on you.
Who is forcing you to work for that employer? Nobody except yourself. Don't like it? Change. Can't find a better employer? Be your own. There is ALWAYS choice.
Concidering you appear to be sacrificing your own personal life for work, what good is cold hard cash? If you choose to work constantly, why bother with paying for accommodations, transportation, nice clothing, toys, television etc etc. I.E.: What does that cash get you?
And what does accolades and respect of your colleagues and a better resume get you other than more of the same?
And how does this make it clear what the more productive choice is? Not that you've convinced me as I already had this view, but your argument reaffirms my convictions that the exact opposite is true.
Think of it another way, when you're gone will your corporation remember you and your contributions? I know my family will.
Hmm, where are you from?
I'm pretty used to the exact opposite in southwestern ontario.
Careful, I'm beginning to think you're attracted to me or something.
I was generalizing, and there are certainly construction companies out there where this is not acceptable.
Look for a smaller, non-unionized private construction firm whose core business isn't latched to a single city contract or similar. They exist and can be quite good jobs.
Careful, I never suggested I'm living in the fast lane.
I cherish my time above all else. I work to live and nothing more. I do not and never will live to work.
I work an 8 hour day 5 days a week on average. I will not work overtime unless it is compensated with flex-time. My work days fly by and the _rest_ of my life gives me the impression of a longer life.
It's up to us as individuals to make these choices and decisions though, and to stick to them. Our employers are not people, they are corporations and they will use us as much as we let them.
Choose not to let them, you'll be a happier human being for it I assure you.
Are Americans actually more successful? ;)
No wait, I retract that...I really don't think I want to open _that_ can of worms today
Great point. (Not always the case as you have implied, but certainly true much of the time)
Anyone ever had a job on a roadwork crew?
What happened when you showed up on your first day and tried to actually work a full day without standing around with your thumb up your ass?
I quit after 2 weeks of being shown that it is not actually acceptable to 'work' all day long. How people can show up to a job day in and day out and fuck the dog all day every day is beyond me. In my experience this leads to the LONGEST days imaginable. Working is a heck of a lot easier when you actually work. (You know those days where you don't even get a chance to think hardly, and they're typically over before you realize the day was even begun!)
Those 3 statements just don't add up to an insightful comment without a) data backing up each of those points and b) something to correlate those 3 statements together.
Wow, such anger and hate.
Don't worry, you won't be 12 forever and the hormones will balance out over time.
I'm not sure I understand why my comment pissed you off so much. Seems to have hit pretty close to home in some way. Ahh well, don't have a heart attack mmm kay?
Why do modern airplanes still have 2 wings, sheesh...they had 2 wings over 60 years ago! Whatever are they thinking!
Hmm, that gets me thinking, just why the heck do birds still have 2 wings, what an old design...many million year old technology...what a waste!
(Hint: You're looking in the wrong place for the innovation, and I assure you it's all over these projects)
Yup, lets jam that new fangled star shaped peg into our good old trusty square hole over here...
Why the hell would we stuff this onto the IDE interface? This would be a great opportunity to drop that interface entirely.
Ahh, yes, of course. The almighty buck.
With your attitude we're fucked.
Thankfully there are people like myself with different attitudes. If I had cash to throw at this problem, it'd be there already. I don't care if there is no FINANCIAL return on investment, the gain from succeeding in this area cannot be measured against the almighty buck.
I really have trouble believing that any sort of fusion project, especially one funded by the states, has a measly budget of 2 million a year.
Who would agree to work on that project? That'd be an impossible and insulting proposition. Doesn't even remotely add up.
Pretty sure those numbers can't be accurate, or if they are, it seems as if the funding would have been set that way to ensure the project would never even get started in the first place.
Good call, very interesting.
It is a peripheral device, but yes the point is that it is controlled by events occuring on a computing device like email arriving etc.
Any lawyers have any insight on this?