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Composite Of Earth At Night

crmartin writes "Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day is an incredible composite image of Earth from space at night. Actually a composite from many pictures from the Defense Meteorological Satellites Program (DMSP), it's like a skeletal view of the Earth in tiny lights. If you really like it, there are hi-res images up to a 40 megabyte TIFF."

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  1. Michael! by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How could you allow a link to a 40MB file into a /. article? Oh the humanity...

    1. Re:Michael! by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My take. Nasa has more bandwidth than God. If any domain can take the hit... Nasa's can.

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    2. Re:Michael! by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      However, they are now left with the difficult decision to either pay their monthly bandwidth bill or fix Hubble, but not both.

    3. Re:Michael! by ScarletEmerald · · Score: 1

      Looks like it's down now (the 40mb one at least).

    4. Re:Michael! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      been checking that for sometime now, guess its slashdotted ? ;) nasa never hoped they'd get slashdotted one day. huh?

    5. Re:Michael! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i know its a joke, and it is funny.

      but seriously what is with this myth of bandwidth costs.

      if someone is paying that much for 10 terabytes of transfer, they are getting screwed.

    6. Re:Michael! by _anomaly_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's gotta be a typo... the page of hi-res images lists a 4mb tiff image that is described as "full-res".
      If there were a 40mb tiff would that be a "10x full-res" image?

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    7. Re:Michael! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Nasa has more bandwidth than God.

      Nasa has more bandwidth than Google? I seriously doubt it.

    8. Re:Michael! by crmartin · · Score: 1

      No, it's the other link that leads to a page with a 40 MB image.

      Or, at least, led to a page ....

    9. Re:Michael! by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      No, because doubling resolution would quadruple file sizes. Tripling resolution would cause the file size to be nine times larger.

      So, a file size that's ten times larger would actually be a "3.1623x full-res" image.

    10. Re:Michael! by _anomaly_ · · Score: 1

      Well, you're correct, but I wasn't referring to 10 times the actual image resolution.
      What I meant was 10 times the "full-res" image... not specifying 10 times _what_ exactly, implying (not very successfully) the file size.

      On another note, I was looking in the folder where the 4mb file is located (here) and noticed that file last modified date is Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:02:36 GMT... just thought it was interesting that it seems to be 4 years old.

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    11. Re:Michael! by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      Guilt Free P2P mirror here. The 40 meg one is not coming through so I put up the medium sized one, still good res...

    12. Re:Michael! by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 5, Interesting
      These images (or, at least, a version of them) was put up in Feb of 2002. They had a daytime image, and a nighttime image. I took a couple of hours with GIMP for me to create a a composite of the two..

      CAUTION: the following link is a 2MB JPEG that expands to an 8Kx4K image .. that would be about 100megabytes as an uncompressed TIFF (it's here). With only 380MB of RAM on my box, this chokes Mozilla, but loads OK if I save it and open it with gqview..

      I have a second image of North America only that's a bit more manageable in size (1024x768),

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    13. Re:Michael! by fejikso · · Score: 1

      IIRC, when the Shoemaker-Levy comet crashed on Jupiter in 1994, NASA's webserver couldn't cope with the traffic.

      But then again... it was 1994.

    14. Re:Michael! by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 1
      Yes, 1994 was a good year for the Internet. It's when AOL finally realized that if they don't plan for the number of connections that they are selling that they won't stay in business long.

      It's one year after "the web" and "THE Net" became words in our popular culture. It's the beginning of the age of the Geek!

      Bwa-haha-ha-ha. Non-techies, bow before my vast salary! Bwa-haha-ha-ha. But 2001 destroyed all we have worked for, and now (once again) many of us are living pay-check to pay-check.

      Wow, usually I stay much more on topic than this. ... But I'm not bitter.

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    15. Re:Michael! by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Didn't choke Mozilla here (512MB, Moz 1.6, Fluxbox WM, Duron1200), didn't even cause a noticeable slowdown with the system fairly heavily loaded.

      I have noticed however that if Mozilla is open long enough (we're talking weeks) that large images can choke it. I rebooted a few days ago (kernel change) and restarted Mozilla of course; I suspect that makes a difference. Moz does have some memory leaks IIRC. Curious...

      Nice images and smooth compositing BTW, thanks!

      Cheers,
      SB

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    16. Re:Michael! by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      I've only got 256MB of ram, so it's a bit more of an issue for me.

      As for the compositing , it wasn't that bad... .The images had pretty good registration (Thank's NASA!). The hardest parts were choosing a color scale and doing trials (I think I only had 256MB on my system at the time, and it's not a speed demon any more). Think doing GIMP operations on a 120MB image with 256MB of ram. It wasn't horribly slow, but it took long enough to be annoying.. Even so, I think it was worth it.

      The one what was more of a bitch was the blackout comparison image. Those two images weren't quit so close It took a good bit more work to get the registration accurate, delete the extraneous bits, etc.

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  2. hum by borgdows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    interestingly, we clearly see northkorea (black) surrounded by light (southkorea and china)

    1. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe that will mean something to the communist horde on /.

      naah... wishful thinking. Bush's fault, right?

    2. Re:hum by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Yah, that is a really interesting picture. I would not mind having that as a poster or something. Brings up a lot of thoughts on our world.

    3. Re:hum by jjohnson · · Score: 1

      Kim Jong Il was rummaging in the fridge when the picture was taken.

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    4. Re:hum by mishmash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can get books, and posters of these things... like this book which includes reconnaissance Satellite Images: of North Korea. more here or here. (If you click on see all home and garden items on .com you can see the poster range...) mmm amazon is bizzare sometimes.

    5. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a really good reason for this.

      After the fall of the Soviet Union, most of the buddy-buddy relationships with other communist countries were scratched and it turned into "every man for themselves".

      North Korea used to have a constant supply of oil and coal and other energy needs from Russia, but this was abruptly terminated when Russia started saying "Er, you gotta pay full price now". The North Koreans had no cash to pay with, and thus began the rapid spiralling decline of all their energy production, transport, manufacturing and most importantly, food production. Food production in particular was a double-edged sword, needing not only oil to harvest and transport food, but also petroleum products and energy to produce fertiliser for use in North Korea's poor soil. With most of the country starving, and most machinery lying idle and rusting, things have been getting exponentially worse. They now have peasants tilling fields by hand, emaciated, underfed, with no chance of anything changing, unless they join the army, where they are emaciated, underfed and using rifles.

      With little or nothing to trade with, North Korea has resorted to high-profit, (relatively) low-staffing-requirements industries like missiles, nuclear power and weapons, and (possibly) any other sorts of chemical or bio weapons to fund their dismal little empire.

      Thus we now have them in a position where they have nothing to lose, and a little bitter and twisted.

      To the US's credit, there were attempts to try and help Pyongyang out of this dead-end situation, by offering assistance in building reactors that were more efficient and would not produce weapons-grade materials. Unfortunatley, the Clinton administration never came good with their promises, and then the Bush administration came into power and... well, you know the rest. With the likes of John "Deputy Dawg" Bolton doing negotiations with them it's a small miracle South Korea or Japan aren't small burning heaps by now. That's if NK actually do have any nukes. Who knows... the entire government is crazy and senile, so it's hard to guess what they are doing or thinking.

    6. Re:hum by SirStanley · · Score: 2, Funny

      The lack of light isn't much of a problem, our missles have GPS.

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    7. Re:hum by johnjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, can you find India? Western China could be mistaken for ocean.
      It's interesting seeng how bright the Pakistan/India border is, and in comparison the Afghanistan/Pakistan border is undeveloped.
      Anyone who knows more--Why is the north-west region of India darker than the rest? Farmland?

    8. Re:hum by NickFitz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who knows... the entire government is crazy and senile, so it's hard to guess what they are doing or thinking.

      That's no way to talk about President Bush... oh, hang on...

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    9. Re:hum by nhavar · · Score: 1

      Most likely it's the mountains and hills that sit near the borders.

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    10. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you look at the bread basket of the USA and Canada, they are pretty bright.

    11. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha

      "It's the US's fault NK is in its current situation"

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

      Why not just go ahead and leap a bit further, and make it "President Bush is to blame for the entirety of the decline of North Korea"...

      "Personal responsibility" does NOT mean that one person (or party) is responsible for EVERYTHING.

    12. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And also the USA using way more than it's fair share of energy.

    13. Re:hum by zerblat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Western China could be mistaken for ocean.
      That's because noone lives there. It's interesting to compare the night-sky map with a map showing population density.
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    14. Re:hum by Pasc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps a little China-style capitalism would help things out. But that would only happen if their leaders cared more for the well-being of the citizens than the maintanance of the status quo. The influx of information that would come with capitalism would surely lead to some internal resistance to the communist way of life (which seems inseperable from poverty).

    15. Re:hum by mobiGeek · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's no way to talk about President Bush
      ...the longer you keep calling him "President", the longer he'll keep believing it. ;-)



      Reminds me of something that happened to my father a few years back. He was a high school principal and was giving a tour of the school to some board trustees on a Monday morning. They came around the back of the school where someone had sparypainted "Mr. Smith is gay" on the wall over the weekend.

      Without missing a beat, my father turned to the delegation and said "See that? They do indeed have respect for me...why else would they paint Mr. Smith??"

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    16. Re:hum by johnjay · · Score: 1

      Troll? The parent comment wasn't intended to offend anyone.
      For what it's worth: I found it interesting to compare the photo to this political map of the world. Thanks to Futurepower(R) for a much better map of India and a more knowledgable explanation of the dark patch.

    17. Re:hum by darth_zeth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You make it sound like North Korea was just dealt a bum hand, and its really not the fault of anyone in North Korea that they are in the shit heap they are in.

      which I find amusing, seeing as RIGHT across the DMZ is the flourishing country of South Korea.

      Whether or not you meant to imply this, I think its worth emphasizing that it is the actions of the North Korea government that has damned the nation. Perhaps the influence of China and the Soviets wasn't quite NK's fault, the past dozen year or so resulted in the marked improvement of many post-Soviet satellite states. The North Koreans government ill management of agricultural resources, ill management of foreign relations, and their massive expenditure of money on their idle million man army, consuming one third of their GDP in supporting their army and developing weapons.

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    18. Re:hum by ayden · · Score: 1

      To the US's credit, there were attempts to try and help Pyongyang out of this dead-end situation, by offering assistance in building reactors that were more efficient and would not produce weapons-grade materials. Unfortunatley, the Clinton administration never came good with their promises, and then the Bush administration came into power and... well, you know the rest.

      The point of this plan was to prevent nuclear proliferation. Whether or not the light water reactors actually ever got built was irrelevant to this point.

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    19. Re:hum by RWerp · · Score: 1

      After the fall of the Soviet Union, most of the buddy-buddy relationships with other communist countries were scratched and it turned into "every man for themselves".

      Russia still charges cheaper (or is tolerant on payment delays) gas to Byelaruss and probably Ukraine, too. That's because they see both countries as belonging to their sphere of influence, contrary to the North Korea.

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    20. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting that India and China are just as lit up as Europe and Eastern United States. Wasn't this light intensity used as a measure of development in earlier times. Of course with light pollution prevention measures becoming popular it might not be such a good measure but it still seems India and China have caught up with the Industrialized world

    21. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You make it sound like North Korea was just dealt a bum hand, and its really not the fault of anyone in North Korea that they are in the shit heap they are in.


      Gee, I don't think I did really... I said that they were crazy and senile. I don't think they did a very good job of dealing with their situation at all.

      Sorry if I forgot to say this.

      I do feel sorry for the average joe in NK, though. I think they've got a really hopeless government that doesn't really have too many good options, nor any bright ideas.

      And I don't think it's the USA's fault that NK is in that position. It's Russia's and North Korea's if anyones. All I said was the USA tried to stop another desperate ountry from getting the bomb by offering a carrot, then took the carrot away. Hell, that's gotta annoy them, whether it's justified or not.
    22. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, no, I don't think it's JUST that NK got a bum hand... they could've planned MUCH better. The country is a disaster area and it could've been averted. For an interesting analysis of how North Korea and Cuba both responded to almost identical situations (oil being cut off), and how each went to the complete other end of the spectrum, check out: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/111703_k orea_cuba_1.html

      And, I do think I really was implying that the USA was really trying to help a desperate nation avoid having to resort to selling WMDs, missiles and the like by making genuine offers of assistance. Don't worry, we're not all out here with the knives out for you yankees... I have a lot of respect for some of the genuine people in your country. The USA has been a symbol of truth and justice for longer than I've been around, that's for sure.

      But hell, you gotta admit, NK was one of the poorest of all the commie countries, and they were all regarded as pariahs during the cold war... you think everything was frikkin' roses for them, and it's all their own fault? That's not the whole story, I think. Sure their leaders were dickheads, but so are a lot of politicians everywhere.

      Man, the North Koreans went to communism because the alternatives at the time were worse in their eyes. Maybe it was was wrong, but fuck it, they're people. All most of 'em wanna do is bring up their kids and have food on the table.

      I guess, all I'm really saying is this: if you chase a starving mongrel dog into a corner you can either give it a meal and try and tame it, or you can have it try to take your jugular out.

      And, I guess I'm also saying: John Bolton is a complete fucking dipshit, and no help whatsoever.

    23. Re:hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey. Moron. Guess who gave him the nukes? Thats right, Clinton did. Heavy water reactors negotiated with Carter and Madeline Half-Bright under Clinton's direction.

    24. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah... you got that right.

      Democrats, republicans... no matter who runs your country, it always seems to be a bunch of complete and utter retards.

      While we're on the subject of Carter: Why the hell did he gave the Taliban $500 million in 1979? (see "THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives," Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997.

      What a monumentally stupid thing to do! And you guys wonder why Al Qaeda became such a problem?

    25. Re:hum by front · · Score: 1

      "With little or nothing to trade with, North Korea has resorted to high-profit, (relatively) low-staffing-requirements industries like missiles, nuclear power and weapons, and (possibly) any other sorts of chemical or bio weapons to fund their dismal little empire."

      Bad choice of words.

      North Korea is no empire... dismal or not. There are no North Korean army bases in any other country in the world. There are no North Korean soldiers garrisoned in other countries to keep them under the North Korean thumb...

      cheers

      front

    26. Re:hum by kundor · · Score: 2, Funny
      Maybe that will mean something to the communist horde on /.

      That socialism results in less energy-waste and light-pollution?

    27. Re:hum by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      What a monumentally stupid thing to do! And you guys wonder why Al Qaeda became such a problem?

      Carter's support of the Taleban was irrelevant to Al Qaeda. (Notice that they are two DIFFERENT groups).

      Al Qaeda became a problem because of George Bush's ill-considered Gulf War on Iraq. If he'd either left Iraq alone, or fully invaded them and deposed Hussein, then Al Qaeda wouldn't have been a problem to the USA.

      Instead, he attacked Iraq, then pulled back and left 10,000 US soldiers sitting there in Saudi Arabia, and that's what caused the problem.

    28. Re:hum by fbform · · Score: 1

      It's interesting seeng how bright the Pakistan/India border is, and in comparison the Afghanistan/Pakistan border is undeveloped. Anyone who knows more--Why is the north-west region of India darker than the rest? Farmland?

      Northwest India (the state of Rajasthan) is mostly desert and therefore dark. Also, that bright line you see just beyond the desert is NOT the India-Pakistan border. It is the Indus river, which lies entirely in Pakistan and on whose banks lie several large towns and cities. While it it true that the entire India-Pakistan border is fully illuminated and mostly electrified (good fences make good neighbors), I doubt you can see it from space. You *can* see it from an aircraft though as it flies over the border. Looks pretty cool too.

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    29. Re:hum by qw(name) · · Score: 1

      What's interesting is how this image suddenly became new news. Sorry guys, this image has been around for quote a while now. In fact, Google uses this pic to illustrate regional hits on their servers (based on IPs) by varying the brightness of the illuminated city areas. Those of you who attended the USENIX Technical Conference in Boston a few months back know what I mean.

    30. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 1
      Carter's support of the Taleban was irrelevant to Al Qaeda. (Notice that they are two DIFFERENT groups).


      I agree on your second point, but NO WAY is it anywhere near the truth that Carter only wanted to support the Taleban. The whole project involved funding Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets, in Afghanistan primarily, but also in all the surrounding "stans", Chechnya, etc. The idea was to "get a few jumped-up Muslims" in each of the satellite Soviet states to start wanting independence.
    31. Re:hum by fishing · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I guess the correct word would be "regime"... as in "Regime change".

    32. Re:hum by jschottm · · Score: 1

      Don't you remember what happened to the dog in To Kill a Mockingbird?

      I'm not advocating that the people of North Korea should be killed, but that the government must be overthrown one way or the other. (Preferably not through direct US intervention.) The government is a completely corrupt dictatorship/cult of personality that ruthlessly crushes its people, while spending a large portion of what little money it has on the lavish lifestyle of its elite. That's not the type of government that can be reformed over time. It simply needs to be replaced.

      Rewarding agressive threats with aid that helps prop up the government for another 10 years, keeping the people subjugated, and encourages other dictators to think that all they have to do to get aid from wealthy countries is to become a threat. Note that this doesn't apply if you happen to have oil or something else that the United States wants.

    33. Re:hum by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      "Thus we now have them in a position where they have nothing to lose, and a little bitter and twisted.

      To the US's credit, there were attempts to try and help Pyongyang out of this dead-end situation, by offering assistance in building reactors that were more efficient and would not produce weapons-grade materials. Unfortunatley, the Clinton administration never came good with their promises, and then the Bush administration came into power and... well, you know the rest. With the likes of John "Deputy Dawg" Bolton doing negotiations with them it's a small miracle South Korea or Japan aren't small burning heaps by now. That's if NK actually do have any nukes. Who knows... the entire government is crazy and senile, so it's hard to guess what they are doing or thinking."

      Oh come on! Now NK's problems are suddently the result of international relations and not their own insane societal/state model, where the individual is worth zilch and only the state and the "star of chosun" matters ?!

      And by the way, is that "assistance" you're talking about by any chance Jimmy Carter's usual hug-o-rama in 1994 where he singlehandedly allowed the NK despots to produce Nukes under the guise of transitioning to A-power ?

    34. Re:hum by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      "Man, the North Koreans went to communism because the alternatives at the time were worse in their eyes. Maybe it was was wrong, but fuck it, they're people. All most of 'em wanna do is bring up their kids and have food on the table."

      Heavens, don't you know what a military coup is?

      Read up on history:

      http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kimilsun.htm

      The North Koreans didn't choose communism, it was forced upon them by Stalin and his cronies.

  3. What's so incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a new idea, pictures like these have been around for like fifteen years or so. It's fairly simple to generate as soon as you have satellite image data available. I believe I had something like this as my desktop background at around '96.

  4. You just seeing this? by Backdraft32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have had this as my desktop for over a year now... I suppose its nice to show it to more people, but its hardly newsworthy...

    1. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto.

    2. Re:You just seeing this? by rizole · · Score: 1

      Check out googles image search - I think I remember seeing this over two years ago now: http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=earthlights&hl =en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

    3. Re:You just seeing this? by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      So maybe you'd know where I can find an equivalent daytime photo? I think it would be neat to make an OpenGL screensaver with both images. :)

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    4. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry, but who cares, it's a beautiful picture.

      My personal favorite

    5. Re:You just seeing this? by sploxx · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have a similar picture hanging on the wall, attributed to a series of photographs taken from the MIR space station.

      I think the difference here is that it has a much higher resolution!

    6. Re:You just seeing this? by grumbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      The JPL has one, and its zoomable to: http://wmt.jpl.nasa.gov/

    7. Re:You just seeing this? by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      He is talking about _this_ picture in particular, not one similar to it.

      I first saw this picture at least 2 years ago, though I'm thinking even longer.
      It was my wallpaper for well over a year and hasn't been now for at least a year.

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    8. Re:You just seeing this? by mishmash · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's this desktop app for OSX that uses two such images nicely

      I'm sure I used to have a free clock app for Mac OS 7.5 that did something similar...

    9. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you are objecting, I am quite sure that there are people here that will be happy to point you to several others pictures.

    10. Re:You just seeing this? by Politburo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What insight does this comment provide? "I'm cooler than you?" Not all of us have the time to go to every web site, every day.

    11. Re:You just seeing this? by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      Same here - it was a very nice wallpaper. It was nice looking and fairly dark - made desktop icons easy to see.

      Replaced it at work with a big Cyclone logo.

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    12. Re:You just seeing this? by kroekle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's one from a few years ago. It's darker so you can see the lights better.

    13. Re:You just seeing this? by charliekowalchuk · · Score: 1

      But this photo that you linked to, this isn't an actual photo, right? This looks like its must of been work shopped. It looks like something I could see on Third Rock from the Sun.

    14. Re:You just seeing this? by strider44 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you notice after clicking on the picture in the "picture of the day" site, the picture is dated August 11th 2002. Actually the first time I saw this picture was in a cosmology lecture around may last year. I still love it.

    15. Re:You just seeing this? by Hast · · Score: 1

      I have an equivalent image of daytime. Unfortunately it's on a computer that's dead right now so I can't access it at this time.

      I did however find it at the Astrology picture of the day site so I bet it's there somewhere. I got a nighttime picture before too and I think the daytime was linked from that (or vice versa). Anyways there are daytime photos on that site as well.

      IIRC the daytime was in lower resolution though.

    16. Re:You just seeing this? by Backdraft32 · · Score: 0

      What!?! You haven't visited every site on the Net!?! And you call your self a slashdotter... J/K. I wasn't trying to downplay how cool the picture is, just saying I didnt feel it too be particularly newsworthy...

    17. Re:You just seeing this? by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1
      the Astrology picture of the day site

      I hope you meant the Astronomy Picture of the Day. Big difference!

      /typical pedantic Aries.

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    18. Re:You just seeing this? by karnal · · Score: 1

      Pot, meet kettle.

      *FIGHT!*

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    19. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      xplanet

      and for windows users

      winxplanetbg

      using it now, not open GL, but constantly updating the background...downloadable cloud maps too

    20. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a real picture. It was taken on the 3rd of September, 1988, by Voyager 2, when it was passing through the gasseous atmosphere of Europa.

    21. Re:You just seeing this? by einTier · · Score: 1
      If you're fond of this, you should give keyhole a try. A two week trial is free, and the satellite photography is remarkably detailed and usually pretty up to date. You'll be able to see as much or as little of the world as you'd like, and in resolutions ranging down to 2 inches (check out the shuttle in front of the VAB at Canavaral, you can count the stars on the flag decal on the wing). You can also turn on terrain and tilt the map to see a relief map with the sat info superimposed.

      It's really a remarkable program. I know I spent every day of my two week trial and then every day of another two week trial on another computer just "visiting".

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    22. Re:You just seeing this? by PixelThis · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might want to start here http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/, at the least you'd get both the day & night images.
      XPlanet does a wallpaper for X-windows or MS windows that runs in the background and shows day/night illumination plus near real-time cloud cover. Ambitious folks could probably mod it to do the equivalent as a screen saver.

    23. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    24. Re:You just seeing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that picture, the other one. The big one.

    25. Re:You just seeing this? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      Sure, this seems to be the third or fourth year of my annual view of the earth at night, and I wouldn't even consider using it for my desktop background since there are so many pictures of beautiful women I can use - but I think it's good to talk about.

      It's easy to see the fringes or boundaries of the technical world. One may induce that mankind uses the greedy algorithm of resource consumption. Most people want to be economically as well off as possible and will exploit resources available at hand. When and if space travel becomes viable for the general public, we'll see indicators for our population distribution through the sky.

      Speculation aside about the possible inefficiency of so many lights burning at night when people should be sleeping, it's amazing how much
      (a) fear there is in the night. In this age we still can't go outside at night without danger.
      (b) darkness there is at night. Without the sun most objects lose their identifying shapes and colors. So much for being able to work around the clock. The first time I saw a nighttime baseball game on TV it looked like they were playing in daylight though.

      What will we do if the sun becomes too hot/cold even for only a brief time? We are so oriented to activities on the surface of the planet. Can we either go underground or leave the earth?

      Africa and South America are so dark. I don't want to see rain forests disappearing though, but capitalists want their money to grow and billions of people living in these lands prove that life can thrive there - so where will the money go?

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    26. Re:You just seeing this? by raphae · · Score: 1

      Wow, I love sites that take 20 seconds to load and end up being completely blank in my browser. So, to circumvent it I did a google search for image site:keyhole.com and guess what, the other pages I've loaded also show up completely blank. Good site design!

  5. Alien landing sight... by weave · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, if you were an alien, where would you land? Somehow anywhere in the United States seems to be not a very bright idea. Stupid Roswell aliens...

    1. Re:Alien landing sight... by igrutje · · Score: 1, Funny

      seems to be not a very bright idea

      hihi

    2. Re:Alien landing sight... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Funny

      In addition to that if you were an alien why on earth would you choose to fly around in the airspace of one of the most paranoid countries on Earth who also has probably the most sophisticated equipment to spot you and then spend your time on the ground cattle rustling and wandering around the farms and bedrooms of dumb hick rednecks ?

    3. Re:Alien landing sight... by sczimme · · Score: 2, Funny


      OK, if you were an alien, where would you land? Somehow anywhere in the United States seems to be not a very bright idea. Stupid Roswell aliens...

      Given the picture it seems like it would be a bright idea.

      Unless the aliens' eyes couldn't adjust after being in the darkness of space. Maybe the Roswell aliens were blinded by Las Vegas?

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    4. Re:Alien landing sight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      if you were an alien why on earth would you choose to fly around in the airspace of one of the most paranoid countries on Earth who also has probably the most sophisticated equipment to spot you and then spend your time on the ground cattle rustling and wandering around the farms and bedrooms of dumb hick rednecks ?

      I bet you think that makes the alien stories look like silly fiction. Well I got news for you buddy, it don't. They exist, and that's exactly what they do. The sheer implausibility of it proves that it must be true - after all, if we could understand their motives, they wouldn't be very alien now would they?

    5. Re:Alien landing sight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were an alien, I'd kick your ass for not knowing the difference between SIGHT (HINT: EYES) and SITE (HINT: CONSTRUCTION SITE, AREA).

    6. Re:Alien landing sight... by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
      Maybe the Roswell aliens were blinded by Las Vegas?

      What we think of as "Las Vegas" didn't exist in 1947.

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    7. Re:Alien landing sight... by AbbyNormal · · Score: 0

      Yep, hate to be an Aussie right about now!

      "Crikey! What we got ere is an Anal'Probe".

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    8. Re:Alien landing sight... by julesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK, if you were an alien, where would you land? Somehow anywhere in the United States seems to be not a very bright idea. Stupid Roswell aliens...

      An interesting question. Depends on the goals of the mission, I suspect.

      A couple of profiles thrown off the top of my head:

      - Make contact with global leaders

      Assuming the aliens make judgments in the same way we do, I would go for either Eastern USA, Western Europe or Japan. If an assumption is made of global government, Eastern USA looks better developed so I would aim for there. If the working assumption is continental governments, there seems to be a greater degree of centralisation in Western Europe, so I'd head for either Madrid or Paris, figuring that one of those two is likely to be the European administration centre. Probably Paris, due to its more central location.

      - Study the behaviour of the technology possessing inhabitants of this world

      I'd head for an area on the edge of a bright patch, but far enough away that I'm likely to be able to go unnoticed. West China, East Russia, and North Africa all look quite appealing, with little to distinguish between them. I'd probably visit all three, on the basis that there might be regional variation in behaviour.

    9. Re:Alien landing sight... by DrCash · · Score: 1
      - Study the behaviour of the technology possessing inhabitants of this world

      I'd head for an area on the edge of a bright patch, but far enough away that I'm likely to be able to go unnoticed. West China, East Russia, and North Africa all look quite appealing, with little to distinguish between them. I'd probably visit all three, on the basis that there might be regional variation in behaviour.

      Of course, East Russia (siberia?) is primarily tundra, which would make your alien outpost ridiculously easy to spot from overhead (particularly from modern spy satellites and such). North Africa being a desert would be about the same. Although I suppose they could bury themselves underground, but we could still spot them when they came up - which they'd do eventually, especially if they were observing us.

      The best places for them to hide would be in the South American rain forest, or possibly in the Himalayan mountains of western China.

    10. Re:Alien landing sight... by sczimme · · Score: 1


      Yes, I know that. It was a joke, son. :-)

      However, even the small[er] town that was Vegas in 1947 would still be a relatively bright point of light in the middle of a huge patch of darkness, so the point (trivial as it is) stands.

      From The History of Las Vegas: The success of the El Rancho Vegas triggered a small building boom in the late 1940s including construction of several hotel- casinos fronting on a two-lane highway leading into Las Vegas from Los Angeles. The stretch of road evolved into today's Las Vegas Strip. Early hotels included the Last Frontier, Thunderbird and Club Bingo.

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    11. Re:Alien landing sight... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      You know, they could always land in the daytime.

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    12. Re:Alien landing sight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, I know. I caught that after I hit submit, but didn't want to waste space posting a correction. Thanks for correcting me anyway! :)

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    13. Re:Alien landing sight... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "OK, if you were an alien, where would you land?"

      Next to the Nile if you wanted a long strip of landing lights, or an american city if you were coming vertically. Or the ocean, if you want somewhere flat and relatively stable to land. Or nevada, for the same reason the black triangles land there.

      "In addition to that if you were an alien why on earth would you choose to fly around in the airspace of one of the most paranoid countries on Earth who also has probably the most sophisticated equipment to spot you"

      Because it's been sounding alarms in their SETI project for years? Maybe they can do a cool solar-sail trick with radar-sensitive photocells and search radars?

    14. Re:Alien landing sight... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      If the working assumption is continental governments,

      You seem to be assuming that the aliens would recognize the same continental boundaries we do - specifically, that between Europe and Asia.

      From space, with no knowledge of what you are seeing beyond lights, North America is clearly a developed continent. Europe is heavily developed, but the continent (what we call Eurasia) is clearly divided into several "civilizations" (China, Europe, India).

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    15. Re:Alien landing sight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      East Russia of course has Tunguska, a rumored alien-site...

  6. Heeeyyyy! by grunt107 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why is half of Texas so dim?

    1. Re:Heeeyyyy! by macthulhu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey! It's not "dim"... It's either "Handicapable", or "Differently Abled"... or were you talking about the picture?

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    2. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting


      > Why is half of Texas so dim?

      Presumably you're setting up for a joke about which half is missing its idiot...

      But seriously, I noticed the same think. The whole USA seems to be divided by a line that runs straight north from the most southerly point of Texas. Is that for real, or just an artifact of the image-making process?

      Other interesting stuff:

      • Check out the lattice checking European Russia to the far east.
      • Check out the lighting along the lower (northerly) Nile.
      • On the small map, look how clearly the coastlines of Scandanavia are delineated. On the larger map, look at the coastlines of Italy, southern France, and Spain.
      • On the larger map, notice the rectangular lattice on the USAian plains and around Rio and Buenos Aires. (Possibly an artifact, but it doesn't show up in most other places with similar amounts of light.)
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    3. Re:Heeeyyyy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You can't go cow-tipping with the lights on dummy.

    4. Re: Heeeyyyy! by daniil · · Score: 4, Informative
      These lights represent larger settlements, as smaller ones (like villages) don't simply generate enough light to be seen on this picture. Larger settlements are always situated by major transportation routes -- like railways, highways or waterways (see the coastlines practically anywhere in the world).

      Now, taking this into consideration, the photo will yield more information. You can, for instance, quite clearly trace the route of the Trans-Siberian Railway (the narrow strip of lights running through most of Russia). In the US, the Western part was settled (by the Europeans, that is) much later than the Eastern part; as a consequence, the transportation infrastructure is less developed and it really shows (there are probably also differences in the landscape -- a city is more likely to be built in the plains that in the Great Rocky Mountains).

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    5. Re: Heeeyyyy! by topher1kenobe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some guesses:

      1. This is a composite, which means that the picture were taken at different times. Maybe is just wasn't as dark when they took the western picture.

      2. There just aren't as many people in the western half of the US as there are in the eastern half.

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    6. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And it seems that you can still see the ancient silk trade route through Middle Asia leading from Middle East to China

      Raf

    7. Re:Heeeyyyy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, out here in Texas we know that the western half of the state is a fairly wild mountainous desert, so we don't go over there so much.

      I hear tell that out in California people like to farm in deserts, but over on this side of the mountains we prefer to do the farmin' where the water is, and leave the deserts for desertin'.

    8. Re: Heeeyyyy! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      The western half of the US is really nice. Here in colorado, once you get outside of Denver (the big light north-west of dallas), you will see very little night lights and can actually see a great deal of stars at nights. Or you can simply go up to western Wyoming/western Colorado and actually breath real air and see some of the bluest skies that you will see in the continental USA.

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    9. Re: Heeeyyyy! by po_boy · · Score: 4, Funny
      But seriously, I noticed the same think. The whole USA seems to be divided by a line that runs straight north from the most southerly point of Texas. Is that for real, or just an artifact of the image-making process?

      Please stop telling people about the parts of the US west of the Mississippi River. The reason we're here is because they're not.

      Thanks.
    10. Re:Heeeyyyy! by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Texas is a large state, with the greatest landmass after Alaska. Most of the 20 million+ people who live in Texas reside along the I35 corridor (Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio) and the coast (Houston, Galveston, Corpus Christi, and the Rio Grande Valley). West of Fort Worth is a barren wasteland until you get to El Paso, which is on the westmost tip of Texas.

      To give you an idea of the size of Texas, the distance between the eastmost city (Texarkana) and westmost city (El Paso) is nearly equal to the distance between El Paso and Los Angeles, CA.

    11. Re:Heeeyyyy! by tiberius · · Score: 1
      I'm from Michigan and drove out to California via Austin, TX last winter with a few friends from school. It is real interesting to see how that state is literally split in half. The eastern half is heavily populated and you can tell that by the image. However, the western half has got to be the least populated region of the lower 48.

      There is a good 350 mile stretch of I-10 that runs west from San Antonio where you average an exit every 30 miles or so. I think the largest city between San Antonio and El Paso had 1000 people.

      The nice thing about all of this, though, is that we did part of this drive at night. With no light pollution to fuss with, we saw the darkest sky we'd ever seen in our lives.

    12. Re: Heeeyyyy! by brakzilla · · Score: 1

      You'll find land west of the 98th meridian to be arid and there fore less inhabitable because it doesnt receive moisture coming up from the Gulf of Mexico, that is what this imaginary civilizaiton line best shows

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    13. Re: Heeeyyyy! by hal9000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the US, the Western part was settled (by the Europeans, that is) much later than the Eastern part; as a consequence, the transportation infrastructure is less developed and it really shows...

      I dunno, I wouldn't say transportation is less developed in the US west, just developed later and rooted in different technology, mainly automobiles. Western cities tend to be more spread out because of that, and the west as a whole is less densly populated than the east, not because it hasn't had the time to develop as much as the east, but because during the time of European settlement, the west was best suited for farming to supply the existing cities of east. Truckloads have been written about this, but my point is simply that western transportation has developed differently, not less.

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    14. Re: Heeeyyyy! by daniil · · Score: 1

      Gah. Of course you're right, etc. And you know, i did actually even think of most of what you said, but it sort of went missing somewhere in the course of typing all that stuff i said. I guess i got kinda carried away with all these railroads (oh, look! Shiny things in the middle of Siberia!) and completely forgot to talk about what happened later.

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    15. Re:Heeeyyyy! by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, Alaska is more than twice the size of texas.

      Picture. We stretch from South Carolina to California, and from Canada to Texas.

    16. Re: Heeeyyyy! by johneee · · Score: 1

      "These lights represent larger settlements, as smaller ones (like villages) don't simply generate enough light to be seen on this picture."

      Dunno about that... In Canada, you can clearly see Churchill Manitoba (population 1200) Inuvuk and Yellowknife NWT (populations 3300 and 17000 respectively), Iqaluit and Resolute Bay Nunavit, (pops 5000 and 200 respectively).

      My assumption is that the photos that made up this one were like any other one with varieties in the exposure time showing different levels of light depending on what was around. Spots like Resolute Bay show up when there's nothing else around them for thousands of kilometers and is the only spot of light in that particular photo. If the same light source was closer to a population centre like the great lakes, it would never actually be there because the exposure is set for the brighter spots in the same photo.

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    17. Re:Heeeyyyy! by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 1
      The size of Alaska is truly staggering, even when you ignore the islands peppering off its peninsula and its southeastern appendage. I've always felt like its enormity wasn't properly shown on an atlas. That's partly due to the "curvature" of the atlas, if you know what I mean.

      Of course, do note that my first sentence mentions that Texas is second to Alaska in landmass. Alaska's exponential size difference compared to Texas is inconsequential to the discussion, as Alaska's population is relatively miniscule. Nothing against your big beautiful state, of course. :)

    18. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Willis+Wasabi · · Score: 1

      The population density of the US is basically a wide strip from Boston to Washington, Chicago, and a thin strip on the western coast. The rest is not-so-populous. The rest east of the Mississipi is fairly populous, west is almost uninhabited in comparison to the larger population centers. There are a few largish cities out west that aren't on the coast, but not that many.

      And, hey, that's funny, that's what the night map looks like. ;)

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    19. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Most of the European settlements and much of the Eastern U.S.A. was built around water transportation, while most of the Western USA was built around railroad transportation systems, and later internal combustion transport systems (like the Interstate Highway system... that has been absorbed into the growth of the western USA...it is still almost an artificial construct in the eastern USA except in suburbia). You can see some of the rail routes in the lights, especially in areas through the Rocky Mountains, where the grid pattern of the mid-west breaks down. This is true even for areas where the rail lines are no longer in service, but the old rail lines were necessary for the creation of some of these towns.

      What happened to passenger rail transportation in the western USA is also a subject of piles of commentaries that I won't get into, but it pretty much is for hobby rail lines with tourists and the few people who are paranoid about traveling by air...and even then you have to pay a healthy premium to travel by rail. Amtrack got hammered after 9/11, but business has since gone back to half-empty trains that are heavily subsidized and still overpriced and only run during months of a blue moon. It wasn't always that way. The train station where I live was turned into a restaurant, and that only because there was a historical easment to keep it from getting demolished. It hasn't been used for passenger travel since WWII. This is very typical throughout most of the western USA, and even much of the USA in general. Even the major train terminals are pretty much gutted and only kept for historical reasons, usually by a government entity of some sort.

    20. Re:Heeeyyyy! by davidsyes · · Score: 0, Troll

      Cuz dub-ya was allocating electricity to felons' reincarnation. Apparently, Tx is still reeling from the shock of being Execution Capitol USA under dimwit's reign of terror... (not that SOME of the executed deserved reincarnation, but plenty were WRONGLY, zealously, gleefuly, with wist executed.

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    21. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      On the larger map, notice the rectangular lattice on the USAian plains and around Rio and Buenos Aires. (Possibly an artifact, but it doesn't show up in most other places with similar amounts of light.)

      If you ever flew over that area you'd know it isn't an artifact. The whole area should be renamed to "Checkerboard, USA".

      Picture a modern city grid system, but laid out across hundreds of miles. That is what you get when you have a whole half-nation which was settled in fairly modern times. The population density was so low at the time of the invention of train/automobile that they just ran the rails/roads in grid fashion. You can't do that in populated regions since you have to bargain with every little municipality that is in the way.

      It is certainly something to see from the air...

    22. Re: Heeeyyyy! by SEE · · Score: 1

      Yes, the light line is real.

      The 100th Meridian is roughly where that light line is, and the 100th Meridian has long been recognized as more-or-less marks several transitions. First, the rainfall drops to less than 20 inches a year; that makes it low-density ranching land instead of higher-density farming land. Second, the altitude climbs over 2000 feet. Third, the percentage of Federally-owned land climbs from near-zero east of the line to a third or more west of it.

    23. Re: Heeeyyyy! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      Picture a modern city grid system, but laid out across hundreds of miles. That is what you get when you have a whole half-nation which was settled in fairly modern times.

      Actually, it is more about no convenient features to mark borders of any kind - no big rivers, no mountains, no nothing. Can you say "flat"? How about "Nebraska"? They mean the same thing. ;-)

      Seriously, it is not so much modern times as lack of anything other than nearly featureless prairie that causes this to happen.

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    24. Re: Heeeyyyy! by Mike+deVice · · Score: 1
      On the larger map, notice the rectangular lattice on the USAian plains and around Rio and Buenos Aires. (Possibly an artifact, but it doesn't show up in most other places with similar amounts of light.)

      I seem to remember from middle school history lessons that the US government sent surveyors out to map and portion up much of the country to the west. I think that they did this in blocks of a mile square or so.

      When cities and roads came into being in these areas, they tended to follow these "blocks". I could even see this to an extent growing up in rural southern Wisconsin. The most often used roads and county highways tend to form a block pattern made up of large squares of land.

      Anyway, this might be a partial explaination for some of that lattice look to some of the lights. Europe was populated way before any surveyors came along to lay down lines, and Rio/Buenos Aires were probably settled in a haphazard fashion by the empire builders/colonists/missionaries before anyone decided to go in-land and start mapping the place.

    25. Re: Heeeyyyy! by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      But seriously, I noticed the same think. The whole USA seems to be divided by a line that runs straight north from the most southerly point of Texas. Is that for real, or just an artifact of the image-making process?
      It's very real. Roughly west of that line the climate becomes drier and the terrain rougher. There simple isn't a lot of people there as a consequence of that.
      On the larger map, notice the rectangular lattice on the USAian plains and around Rio and Buenos Aires. (Possibly an artifact, but it doesn't show up in most other places with similar amounts of light.)
      The central plains of America were surveyed *then* settled. As a result it's a very rectilinear area. (County lines show the same lattice effect.)
    26. Re: Heeeyyyy! by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      the west was best suited for farming

      Minor correction: The west was best suited to ranching, the midwest was best suited to farming. The difference might seem subtle to some people, but it sure doesn't to those involved.

      SB

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    27. Re: Heeeyyyy! by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Even the major train terminals are pretty much gutted and only kept for historical reasons, usually by a government entity of some sort.

      That's been happening in the midwest, too, just not as fast, but it's a steadily accelerating process.

      Kudos to Iowa for restoring a lot of those stations rather than razing them under for more development. They're very nearly the only midwest state that has taken an active interest in it, and the massive interest they have taken is commendable IMHO.

      Most of the old rail lines in our 'hometown' are gone now. It's rare you hear a train whistle there anymore, it's drowned out by the tractor-trailers on I90 :(

      SB

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  7. again? by ack154 · · Score: 1, Troll
    Each day a different image or photograph of our fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a professional astronomer.
    Hmm... looks very similar to something else I've seen...

    Actually, I made a wallpaper out of this once... of just North America anyways.
    1. Re:again? by donnyspi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It would be neat to use some kind of tool to compare the two pics and see how much brighter/dimmer we are in 2004 than 2000.

    2. Re:again? by daniil · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's much difference between these two pictures. These lights generally represent larger cities or urban areas, but these don't usually appear (or disappear) that fast.

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    3. Re:again? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      there is _no_ difference, just different compression /color correction artifacts.

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    4. Re:again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why on earth of just North America?

    5. Re:again? by ack154 · · Score: 1

      Because I wanted to trim it to my destkop resolution at full quality and NA was all that would fit... and well, I live there... is that ok?

    6. Re:again? by billy+reuben · · Score: 1

      you mean to get a picture like this?

  8. That's not very new stuff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    if you have been a fan of Xearth and the better versions, it is sorta..errr.. 3 years late as far as a scoop.

    Oh by the way, did you try www.google.com yet?
    It's a pretty new site that just opened.

  9. Wallpaper. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day is an incredible composite image of Eareth from space at night.

    Actually it was Saturdays...

    At any rate, if you click the link, click the resulting image to get a bigger one, and then resize it, it makes pretty nice wallpaper. Unfortunately the aspect ratio isn't fit for a desktop, so you'll have to trim it or let the aspect ratio change to get the whole thing.

    Still makes pretty nice wallpaper, though.

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    1. Re:Wallpaper. by mikael · · Score: 1, Funny

      At any rate, if you click the link, click the resulting image to get a bigger one, and then resize it, it makes pretty nice wallpaper. Unfortunately the aspect ratio isn't fit for a desktop, so you'll have to trim it or let the aspect ratio change to get the whole thing.

      Alternatively, you could always upgrade your graphics card, buy a VGA/DVI converter connector and a couple of 20" LCD displays. That should sort out the aspect ratio problem.

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    2. Re:Wallpaper. by KyleCordes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have this image as wallpaper, spanned across two 19" LCDs.

      Yes, it does fix the aspect ratio problem (almost, I intentionally leave off Antarctica to show the rest larger), and it makes fastastic "wallpaper".

    3. Re:Wallpaper. by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Yeah I cropped a bit, kept the original aspect ratio, and matched my desktop background color to the water in the picture (~25/27/70 rgb) so that it blended in. A monday morning well spent.

    4. Re:Wallpaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the aspect ratio isn't fit for a desktop, so you'll have to trim it or let the aspect ratio change to get the whole thing.


      Yeah, the guy responsible for creating the whole Earth thing should have chosen something with a more convenient 4:3 planar projection so it can fit your desktop.
  10. Electricity Bill by Space_Soldier · · Score: 3, Funny

    It tells you who is paying their electricity bill and who is not. Africa is awfully dark.

    1. Re:Electricity Bill by Space_Soldier · · Score: 0

      It was a joke, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Electricity Bill by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

      Well Africa is the dark continent. I was surprised by how bright Cuba is.

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    3. Re:Electricity Bill by and+by · · Score: 1

      That's not Cuba, it's a space station.

      But seriously, I think you're looking not at Cuba, but at Puerto Rico.

      Cuba's that big one right south of Florida that's slightly lit throughout, with a concentration at the top-left. To the left is Hispaniola, home of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. The really bright bit is Puerto Rico.

  11. What a waste! by keoghp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All that light headed skywards when it was intended for the ground. Apart from the waste of valuable resources good old Mr Alien can see us!

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    1. Re:What a waste! by spectrokid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am Belgian (VERY bright on the map). In Belgium, all motorways are lit by lampposts all of the time (don't ask why). It does mean it has become completely impossible to see more then 2-3 stars at night. Light-pollution has become an issue and the astronomers are organising a "dark" night once a year, asking municipalities and private people to turn off the flood-lights. There are now standards on how much light a lamppost is allowed to shine upwards.

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    2. Re:What a waste! by laurensv · · Score: 1

      I am Belgian (VERY bright on the map). In Belgium, all motorways are lit by lampposts all of the time (don't ask why).
      I'm Belgian as well and the majority of the lampposts are shut off around midnight, loads still burn, but I think that's a side-effect of rely for 80% on nuclear energy (always on).

    3. Re:What a waste! by cobbaut · · Score: 1

      There is no link whatsoever between energy production in Belgium and roadlights being on or off (as explained in Jongens & Wetenschap).
      The reason that lights are soemtimes on during the day, is to be able te repair the broken ones.

      Yes I'm Belgian too ;-)

      cheers,
      pol :)

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    4. Re:What a waste! by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

      It's especially wasteful when you consider how much of it actually reaches someone's eye.

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    5. Re:What a waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

    6. Re:What a waste! by DataCannibal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've driven through Belgium on motorways a few times at night (it only takes a hour or so) and, in a similat way to the fact the Queen thinks that the world smells of new paint, I think that Belgium is yellow.

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    7. Re:What a waste! by Alsee · · Score: 1

      The reason that lights are soemtimes on during the day, is to be able te repair the broken ones.

      They should just do those repairs at night! :)

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    8. Re:What a waste! by optimus2861 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I visited the UK a couple of years ago, what struck me was the unnatural glow that's ever-present around the horizon at night from the incredible amount of light being poured into the night sky; it looks as if it's perpetually an hour after sunset. Very few stars ever come out. Most of that light was probably from London, even though I was over an hour's drive north of the city. Being raised in rural Canada, I could always just go out into the front yard, look up, and get an awesome view of the night sky, including the Milky Way on a clear, moonless night. I feel some pity for kids being raised in those environments where they'll never be able to see it.

    9. Re:What a waste! by Psiren · · Score: 1

      Depends where in the UK you are of course, as with any other place. I have the same light pollution problems here in Cambridge, but if I go back to my parents place in Norfolk there's very little light and I can see much more.

    10. Re:What a waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try going west instead of north. When I was in the little town of Wroxton, which is about an hour roughly west of Heathrow, I was stunned by how much I could see. The whole Milky Way, shooting stars by the dozens, including one very impressive fireball! Even in rural Iowa I have never seen anything like it.

    11. Re:What a waste! by frog51 · · Score: 1

      Come on up to Scotland next time. Last winter I saw the Aurora Borealis from my back garden at 55 degrees north. And in Orkney (59 north) the milky way is awesome all the time, although in Summer it doesn't really get dark as the sun swings round the northern horizon. No light pollution here (Livingston) although I am in the M8 belt.

    12. Re:What a waste! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      This is why NASA is such good value for money. Thanks to a few billion dollars worth of satellites and other space craft, this light can finally reach our eyes.

      I'll get my coat.

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    13. Re:What a waste! by stud9920 · · Score: 1

      In Belgium, they have those archaic "labour laws" telling work should not be done at night if it can done at day. That explanation about broken lights seems bogus though. A fun consequence of highway lampposts in Belgium is that airliners cannot make emergency landings in Belgium (did that actually ever happen anywhere ?)

    14. Re:What a waste! by Zerbey · · Score: 1

      Same thing happening everywhere, I'm afraid. There's so much light pollution in my area now with all the new houses going up (I'm in Central Florida) that it's impossible to see more than a few bright stars at night.

      When Hurricane Charley hit, we had about 3 days where the entire area was totally blacked out. The sky looked just amazing!

    15. Re:What a waste! by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      I live in L.A. After the 1994 Northridge quake, I remember looking up and being stunned by how many stars I could see (at 0445 PST).

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    16. Re:What a waste! by jim3e8 · · Score: 1

      You can see stars in your city? Lucky.

    17. Re:What a waste! by daeley · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live in L.A. After the 1994 Northridge quake, I remember looking up and being stunned by how many stars I could see (at 0445 PST).

      Yeah, I remember that too -- after the quake they all just came streaming out of Beverly Hills and wandered around West Hollywood in a daze. ;)

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    18. Re:What a waste! by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      OK... you win! I need a new keyboard after that!

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    19. Re:What a waste! by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

      OTOH I can read my magazine while walking along the street at midnight :-)

    20. Re:What a waste! by Mspangler · · Score: 1

      It is odd. We have come full circle, and once again are afraid of the dark.

  12. Had it on my desktop,... by laurensv · · Score: 1

    Had it on my desktop, but noow I would rather have a realtime picture where I can see the light /darkness barier moving.

    1. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Informative

      you want xearth (or wearth). It makes a desktop wallpaper image that is updated every x seconds. And you can have the light/dark barrier displayed, and it moves, and the earth even wobbles up and down depending on the season.

      Unfortunately you can't see the lights coming on and off... unless you download the source and get coding :)

    2. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      Probably suggested already, but Celestia will provide glorious renderings of the Earth, complete with some ridiculously high-resolution texture maps.

      There are 'night maps' based on the Earthlights image - they're probably a bit bright when seen in Celestia, especially when compared with the day side of the Earth, but they look utterly lovely. :-)

      Once you've built your perfect Earth, you can work on kitting out the rest of your ideal Solar System with the other stuff people have posted on the Celestia Motherlode...

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    3. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by dragonp12 · · Score: 1

      The light/darkness boundary is called the terminator.

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    4. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by Brobock · · Score: 1

      They kinda make one for the Mac. It's called earthdesk and it shows night and day of the earth. At night it shows light from population.

      http://www.timepalette.com/

    5. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.timepalette.com/earthdesk.html

    6. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by kzinti · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An APOD picture I like better was posted June 23 - of the Venus transit of the Sun. The higher resolution version, at 1500 by 1500, makes the best desktop pic, although it will need a little work in the GIMP or PhotoShop to make it fit your desktop's aspect ratio.

    7. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

    8. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by pixelphsr · · Score: 1

      Then you want to look at this: http://www.eveningshow.com/the_fourth_day.htm

    9. Re:Had it on my desktop,... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Actually, you want xplanet. It's more powerful and flexible.

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  13. I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I can see my house

    1. Re:I think by keoghp · · Score: 1

      Well turn your light off and save energy.

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  14. River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by MavEtJu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The most beautiful part of it is still the bright line going through Egypt where the Nile river is.

    The lines going through eastern Russia (most likely not Russia anymore, but I'm not up to date with the current *stans there), are they based on roads or railroads?

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    1. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by laurensv · · Score: 5, Informative

      The lines going through eastern Russia (most likely not Russia anymore, but I'm not up to date with the current *stans there), are they based on roads or railroads?
      Yes, the line matches for a big part with the trans siberian railway. You can also notices how Moskou is the centre of a star, Paris has a bit of the same effect in France (both very centralised governments).

    2. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by markov_chain · · Score: 3, Informative

      As far as Russia goes, that's probably the Trans-Siberia Railway. Amazing how development follows transportation routes, right? Reminds me of playing Railroad Tycoon or SimCity :)

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    3. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Noco · · Score: 1

      Trans-Siberian Railroad maybe?

    4. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also notices how Moskou is the centre of a star
      Do you mean Moscow?

    5. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by MavEtJu · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Moskou" is the dutch (and maybe others) spelling of Moscow.

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    6. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by say · · Score: 1
      While we Norwegians have made our own version: Moskva.

      Anyway, that resembles the russian pronounciation a lot more.

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    7. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by laurensv · · Score: 1

      Do you mean Moscow? I'm sorry if I confused you, you were thinking of ... what exactely? Yes, I was thinking of MOCKBA ; )

    8. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      That doesn't surprise me. I find Russians have similar accents to Norwegians (when they have them) in English.

      --Joey

    9. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Cobalt+Jacket · · Score: 1

      This is the same as the transliteration of the Russian word into Latin from Cyrillic.

    10. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Magnus+Reftel · · Score: 1

      Amazing how transportation routes follow development, right?

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    11. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two noticeable lines. The southern line is Trans-Siberian railway, built in tzarist times. The northern line is Baikal-Amur railway, http://bam.railways.ru/eng/, which was built in seventies and eighties. Check out this bridge http://bam.railways.ru/rr/_bam_b_devil_2.jpg

    12. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're being facetious, but in the United States, at least, most urban developments since Chicago and Los Angeles have followed the railroads, and later, major interstates. Some say it was the railroad, in fact, that "made" Chicago as opposed to St. Louis (as Chicago was naturally disadvantaged in a lot of ways, including a truly miserable harbor and horrible winters).

      Of course, in the bigger picture, urban development has always followed convenient transportation--i.e. waterways and natural harbors.

    13. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      That would explain Dallas... damned commies.

    14. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the grandparent had it right. Development follows. This is why big cities only grew up on coastlines and major rivers until relatively recently in human history. It was only the railroad and the superhighway that made places like Atlanta possible.

    15. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by bhima · · Score: 1
      I have always wondered why it seems like a tradition to mispronounce other countries capital cities.

      I wonder who is worse the English speakers or the German speakers?

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    16. Re:River Nile and east-russian (rail)road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > up to date with the current *stans there

      I believe the proper term is "Trashcanistan" :)

  15. 2002? by Xetrov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone else notice the 2002 date on the image?

    1. Re:2002? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or older still...

      $wget -S --spider http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA02991.tif ...

      3 Last-Modified: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:02:36 GMT

    2. Re:2002? by Tmack · · Score: 4, Informative
      I wouldnt doubt it, the one Ive had as a desktop background for a while now is dated Nov27, 2000. The type of image is nothing new, but it could be using newer images than the one I have.... Another interesting image is the one of a sunset over europe.

      Tm

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    3. Re:2002? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anyone else notice the 2002 date on the image?

      I didn't have to look up the date. I've been using this image as my desktop for over two years. It servers as a sobering reminder of how much I have living here in the U.S. versus so many other people in the world. It also serves as a contant reminder to remember those that have less than me, and to do my part to improve their lot.

    4. Re:2002? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Yup, I know. The truth is, not only is this image fairly old, but it has appeared on multiple occasions (APOD cycles through old shots when there's nothing new and interesting to present). Why on earth it's made it's way to Slashdot *now* is anyone's guess...

    5. Re:2002? by LakeSolon · · Score: 1

      http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord?11 612

      I have my desktop background doing a crossfade between the night and day (linked above) versions of the image... it's pretty neat.

      ~Lake

    6. Re:2002? by Lem79 · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the text on the large image read something more like "Astronomy Picture of the Night"? .. :)

  16. new? by Speare · · Score: 3, Informative
    These have been going around for a long time, and people have worked with different resolutions and different intensity gains. The most common images composite the lights onto images showing a gamut of ocean-depths because the shades of blue are informative, if not realistic. Any newer, higher-resolution version is only mildly interesting.

    By the way, the XPlanet project (xplanet.sf.net) can use images like this for the night-side rendering of a near-realtime Earth on your desktop.

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    1. Re:new? by balster+neb · · Score: 1

      By the way, the XPlanet project (xplanet.sf.net) can use images like this for the night-side rendering of a near-realtime Earth on your desktop.

      Another great program for rendering images of the earth, the solar sytem, and parts of our galaxy is Celestia. It's GPL'd, and runs under most of your favorite platforms. Very addictive.

    2. Re:new? by robogun · · Score: 1

      I saw a satellite shot like this done about 10 years ago. One of the things that stood out about it was the presence of massive amounts of light in the Sea of Japan from squid fishermen. I can't find the shot online (it's from a book) but this pic shows the area. I wonder if NASA removed those lights from their composite image, or if it's a fish season thing.

  17. This map pretty much gives it away... by darkfus · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now they'll know where to attack first! Sheesh.

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  18. Scroll by Crazieeman · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you scroll to the bottom, it even says it was a previous APOD... from 2002.

  19. cool by chegosaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see my case mod from here!

    1. Re:cool by Epistax · · Score: 1

      My house is on fire!

    2. Re:cool by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

      I knew I shouldn't have left my case mod there.

  20. Picture of the.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    August 11 2002. That's what it says, when you click the image for the larger image (bottom left corner).

    1. Re:Picture of the.. by davandhol · · Score: 1

      APOD shows the same picture every once in a while, so that's why you see one of the original dates for this photo. This is a classic picture, in any case.

  21. Also of interest by Bob+The+Lizard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out
    http://www.dfd.dlr.de
    The German Remote Sensing Data Center. DFD

    These guys process sat data etc. Some cool pics here.

    English link at top.
    Go to sat data on left, then gallery.

    G/

  22. reflection by alanak · · Score: 1

    The coolest part, in my opinion, is how the ice/snow of the artic and antartic make this very soft sheen with the strong reflective properties.

  23. Repeat, But Lighter by Flamesplash · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like they decided to repeat this imagine on APOD, it was last up Nov 2000. They decided to lighten the image a little, I guess the last one was too dark.

    I was able to buy a poster size version from my campus poster sale last year, I'm a big fan.

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    1. Re:Repeat, But Lighter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They decided to lighten the image a little, I guess the last one was too dark.

      FYI, the full size images are exactly the same (both are darker than the small images).

  24. Scotland is pretty cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can see a lot of light around the "M8 corridor", about half-way up running east-west, and then light where there are large ports up the east coast and along the south side of the Moray Firth. The black bit in the middle is all mountains and moorland. It looks very, very isolated like that...

    1. Re:Scotland is pretty cool by Julia+Cameron · · Score: 1
      • You can see a lot of light around the "M8 corridor", about half-way up running east-west, and then light where there are large ports up the east coast and along the south side of the Moray Firth. The black bit in the middle is all mountains and moorland. It looks very, very isolated like that...

      It is very, very isolated. Nobody lives there anymore. :) Reminds me of the old toast: "Here's tae us. Wha's like us. Damn few, and they're a' deid!"

      I looked at the photo, and, tracing the same pattern of lights, thought, as you did, that Scotland looks pretty cool.

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    2. Re:Scotland is pretty cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      You would think that Fort William would show up about as bright as some of the small towns along the Moray coast, though.

  25. The river Nile by Skiron · · Score: 1

    Anybody got any idea why the river Nile is lit up like it is?

    1. Re:The river Nile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Anybody got any idea why the river Nile is lit up like it is?

      Because people build settlements along it. There arne't very many other good places to settle in a desert.

    2. Re:The river Nile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody got any idea why the river Nile is lit up like it is?

      Photoluminescent Nile Crocodiles

    3. Re:The river Nile by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it's the only source of water for hundreds of miles and people like living there?

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    4. Re:The river Nile by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      I guess it is something to do with all the lights next to it.

    5. Re:The river Nile by petra13 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Probably because larger numbers of people live around the Nile than in other parts of North Africa... this would almost certainly be something to do with the easy access to, you know, water.

      According to the Encyclopedia Britannica (I would link, but I got access through my schools private subscription): "Ninety-nine percent of the Egyptian population lives on only 3.5 percent of the land. Most of them are in the Nile River valley and the large, fertile delta of the river."

    6. Re:The river Nile by Skiron · · Score: 1

      Could explain it, but then why not the Niger and the Congo lit up like Xmas trees too?

      African rivers

    7. Re:The river Nile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are something like 70 million people in Egypt, and 99.9% of them live on the Nile?

    8. Re:The river Nile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get photoluminescent [b]Nile[/b] Crocodiles on the Niger or Congo, sheesh!

    9. Re:The river Nile by petra13 · · Score: 1

      because a) fewer people and b) no (or at least less) industrial development

    10. Re:The river Nile by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
      Anybody got any idea why the river Nile is lit up like it is?

      Qat?

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    11. Re:The river Nile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple: the Niger and Congo rivers are surrounded by rainforest. Except for its very Southern part, the Nile valley is surrounded by the Sahara desert. A city in the middle of a rainforest is a hell of a lot easier to support than a city in a desert.

    12. Re:The river Nile by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      The terrain is much more rugged, and covered with trees, making it harder to live there.

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  26. north/south korea by havaloc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's telling is North and South Korea. North is almost 100% dark. See this link for a close up.

    1. Re:north/south korea by say · · Score: 2
      This has of course different interpretations:

      1. North Korea is undeveloped, and therefore has no lights to turn on at night
      2. North Korea has a strong government and little energy, therefore making it illegal to have lights on at night
      3. North Korea is paranoid, and keep blending all lights at night to make bombing more difficult
      4. Nort Korea is _really_ paranoid, and sofisticated, and have made a super hi-tech light stopping shield around them

      But seriously, I think the poverty of North Korea forces the government and the people to save energy by turning off lights at night. Maybe more of us should do that?

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    2. Re:north/south korea by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      Number 1 is the right answer with 4 being really cool.

      That's Communism for ya...

      Before I get 8 replies saying, "Oh yeah? Look at China" China is transitioning to a free market economy.

      As a complete aside, I found Australia surprisingly dark! I didn't realize how strong the coastal population concentrations were!

      --Joey

    3. Re:north/south korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't communism, it is the piss poor leadership in that country.

      Russia under communism went from a practically feudal economy in the early 20th century to a superpower within 30 years.

    4. Re:north/south korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not only piss poor leadership. It is also due to the trade blockades and that korea was under a treaty that did not allow them to start their nuclear power plant. (The deal included that USA would give 2 new nuclear powerplants, wich does not produce weapons-grade plutonium. However the US government did not fulfill its obligations).

      Hopefully South Koreas "Sunshine" policy will work wonders.

    5. Re:north/south korea by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      What's telling is North and South Korea. North is almost 100% dark.

      They just went Ohmish, that's all.

    6. Re:north/south korea by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

      You could add:

      5. Most of north korea is useless rugged mountain terrain and nobody would live there or have electric service anyway.

      But that's not really why. If you read the CIA world fact book entry you will see just how fuxxored they are, due to inept and corrupt government. GDP per capita is less than most Californians spend JUST on their electric service. Does that put it in perspective?

      Could you eat and keep a roof over your head for a year on $1000? I'll bet one could collect more than that on a freeway offramp in a week or two. Makes you feel a bit spoiled when all you have to complain about is GWB and his dept of homeland terro... er secutiry, eh?

  27. Also kind of cool... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out the Nile and the coastline of Europe.

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    1. Re:Also kind of cool... by Reducer2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about those lights in Northern Alaska? Has the drilling already begun?

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    2. Re:Also kind of cool... by FatRatBastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its called the North Slope, and there's been drilling/pumping there for years.

    3. Re:Also kind of cool... by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1

      Nah - those'll be the alien bases.

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    4. Re:Also kind of cool... by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      You can see a line of lights following the trans-siberia railroad to vladivostok.

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    5. Re:Also kind of cool... by Kazimira · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's this little place called Prudhoe Bay. Maybe some of you have heard of it. ;-)

      All in all a neat picture. Reminds me of one reason I live up here....I can look outside at night and see stars, the aurora and all the wonderful stuff because I don't have millions of people snuggled up next to me.

    6. Re:Also kind of cool... by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      also if you invert the colors, it looks just like it.slashdot.org

  28. Aren' they the same? by ScarletEmerald · · Score: 1

    Isn't this just a repost of the 2000 pic? The thumbnail is brighter, but the actual image looks about the same.

    1. Re:Aren' they the same? by daniil · · Score: 1

      So, what changes, pray tell me, did you expect to see? The only thing i could have imagined as being different was the view of Iraq -- with all those power stations and things having recently suffered from a war'n'all. But maybe there really hasn't been any change in this rescpect?

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    2. Re:Aren' they the same? by ScarletEmerald · · Score: 1

      Well, probably not too many siginicant differences in the actual lights (aside from what you mentioned), but if the image were a new composition I would have expected to look at least a little different due to different artifacts from it being a new compression, combination of new images, etc.

    3. Re:Aren' they the same? by daniil · · Score: 1

      Good point. Something i should have thought of before hitting the reply button, not after.

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  29. Oh no... by sarvik · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it appears that the Earth is flat!

  30. Why not sell prints? by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Editor's note: This image has become an email-attachment phenomenon! It has also generated many print requests. Unfortunately, we do not sell prints.

    What's stopping NASA from selling prints of images like this? It seems like it would be a good way for the public to show support for our favorite underfunded space program.

    1. Re:Why not sell prints? by cflorio · · Score: 1

      What's stopping the general public with a 40 MB TIFF?

    2. Re:Why not sell prints? by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      What's stopping NASA from selling prints of images like this?

      IS it maybe a public-domain issue? (NASA's images belong to US taxpayers) I don't know; I'd have thought that NASA could sell _framed_prints_ whilst making the original images freely available.

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    3. Re:Why not sell prints? by gilroy · · Score: 1

      Maybe it has to do with being from the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program? Or maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet?

    4. Re:Why not sell prints? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Gee, I dunno, maybe because most of the public doesn't have access to a high quality large format printer?

    5. Re:Why not sell prints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be suprised to learn that I was in an art gallery in the UK- they were selling NASA prints on that plastic hardboard stuff for £1,250.

      I couldn't work out what people were paying for- the images are freely available on the internet, and you could print them yourself for £50 max.

      Any ideas as to why the prices were set this way?

    6. Re:Why not sell prints? by cflorio · · Score: 1
      Gee, I dunno, maybe because most of the public doesn't have access to a high quality large format printer?

      Why not use an on-line printing service?

      http://www.ofoto.com

      http://www.elcocolor.com/

      http://www.digital-photo-matrix.com/products-overs ize-prints.html

    7. Re:Why not sell prints? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Most people don't know they exist (I didn't). Also, while I did not look at pricing information on those sites, it is reasonable to consider the volume discount that a run of 100,000 prints would bring vs. a run of 1 print.

  31. Africa by Nakkel · · Score: 0

    The picture explains why its called the Dark Continent.

    1. Re:Africa by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      gee, that's kind of negative. I looked at it as there are still some places without light polution.

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    2. Re:Africa by black+mariah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then you realize that someone from there would think WE have nothing, because we don't own ANY livestock whatsoever.

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    3. Re:Africa by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      Then you realize that some people in Africa have cell phones and DVD players, and performed the first heart transplant; others have basic electricity; others know about those things but don't have them; and a very small fraction are as simple-minded as you describe.

      Score another point for people who don't understand that other parts of the world are far more varied than North America/Western Europe.

      Probably the vast majority of Africans would appreciate the value of both livestock AND other forms of wealth.

      In Lesotho, where I used to live, it was quite acceptable to pay the 21-cow lobolla (bride price) in cash instead. Installments, even.

    4. Re:Africa by black+mariah · · Score: 1

      I knew some dickhead like you was going to try and turn my statement into some bullshit like this. First of all, I never fucking mentioned Africa. I brought no location into this at all. YOU are the one that did that. My statements are just as applicable to India, China, Mongolia, the US Midwest, Mexico, and basically anywhere else in the world whose entire livelihood depends on basic agriculture.

      Simple minded? Why is that? I find absolutely nothing simple minded about it. I sure as hell couldn't raise a cow worth a fuck. My entire fucking point was that different people have different cultures and not everything that we have is something anyone else wants or needs.

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    5. Re:Africa by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget they're also a bunch of unwashed savages whose continental pastime seems to be having a go at one another with machetes over tribal or religious differences.

      Max

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    6. Re:Africa by black+mariah · · Score: 1

      And you can suck my balls, moron.

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    7. Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I looked at it as there are still some places without light polution

      Oh how quaint. You value your convenience over someone elses poverty. Maybe you can throw some scraps to them while you look at the stars from you're humvee or volkswagen. I see electricity as a benifit to the human condition if it can raise their quality of life. Technology and appliances that require electricity, such as refrigeration, lights, washing machines, hot/cold air and water all help raise ones quality of life.

    8. Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      First of all, I never fucking mentioned Africa.

      Go back and re-read the subject line of your post, moron.

    9. Re:Africa by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      I remember being on an overnight flight from Buenos Aires to Zurich, and being able to make out the terrain underneath by moonlight as we cut across the north-west of Africa. I was amazed that there seemed to be nothing down there at all... until, somewhere over Mauritania, I saw a single light in the middle of all that nothing.

      I wondered who was down there, whether they were awake and, if they were, whether they were looking up at our strobe lights crossing the sky and wondering where we were going. It was quite a moving experience.

      I probably wouldn't have cared if it had been a town. But seeing that one light, in the middle of nowhere, as everyone around me slept (apart, I hope, from the pilots) - that was special.

    10. Re:Africa by black+mariah · · Score: 1

      It's the subject line of the parent, not my subject line. If you'll go back and re-read the original post you'll notice that the poster made reference to 'elsewhere' in the second part of the post. Yes, the first part of his post referred specifically to Africa but the second part did not. Please, learn to read and comprehend the meaning of paragraphs before you post.

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  32. Projection by rokzy · · Score: 2, Informative

    what kind of projection is this?

    It seems to make the world seem very small (exaggerates the UK) but doesn't exaggerate Greenland. The sense of a small world may also be due to focusing only on light areas.

    The Peters projection gives an accurate representation of the sizes of countries.

    1. Re:Projection by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

      Peters Projection: A topo map will rise to its level of incompetence.

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    2. Re:Projection by mrdaveb · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what the projection is, but Greenland also looks very exaggerated to me. Although it is barely visible since there seem to be no lights... which is reasonable since almost nobody lives there!

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    3. Re:Projection by Stiletto · · Score: 1


      This is a rectangular (Equidistant Cylindrical) projection, where latitude and longitude lines are parallel and spaced evenly. It introduces a great deal of distortion near the poles, and doesn't really, and is neither conformal nor suitable for navigation. It does make a pretty picture though!

    4. Re:Projection by Stiletto · · Score: 1


      Oh well, that post was pretty incoherent.. Too early to make complete sentences.... Need coffee.....

    5. Re:Projection by Teancum · · Score: 1

      This does, however, make it a nice "skin" to wrap around a sphere when doing 3D modeling. Any other projection would be a nightmare in trying to work with, except maybe a couple of polar projection maps. Even then, this gives virtually no distortion on the equator, and the poles are essentially irrelevant in this situation, unless you are trying to get the lights of the antarctic research station on the south pole.

    6. Re:Projection by wagnerer · · Score: 1

      What do you mean it doesn't exaggerate Greenland, its much smaller than the CONUS but in this image it takes up just about the same amound of space.

    7. Re:Projection by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      The Peters projection gives an accurate representation of the sizes of countries.
      But at the cost of a completely *in*accurate representation of relative positions and shapes.
  33. Africa by payndz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No wonder it used to be called 'The Dark Continent'!

    It's quite sobering, actually. You look at the US and Japan and Western Europe blazing away, and then realise there are people elsewhere who have literally *nothing*, not even something as 'simple' as electric light.

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  34. Pretty old image by PhrozenF · · Score: 2, Informative

    This image is actually pretty old. It's been used as a wallpaper in a lower res in many Windows and Linux (KDE) themes too. Ain't nothing new, just that today it became the pic of the day.

    NASA must be cursing slashdot right now for posting a link to the hi-res image download page. Surely, it will multiply like a plague in the next few days, not only will us geeks be leetching this photo, but everything else that we find interesting, in high res.

    I prefer the Nasa JPL DFRC (Dryden) Planes pics as opposed to the heavens and the earth at DMSP (what's with Nasa's naming scheme?). All those X-Planes and B-2s and SR-71s in Hi Res.

    Go leech some of the most beautiful war machines ever created. Sonic Booms photographed..

    http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/

  35. NWS does better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the National Weather Service Lab here in Boulder, CO they have a silmilar map in color. A composite, it shows lights from squid fishing fleets off South America and fires in the Amazon basin from burning off brush to graze even more of those damn cows. Some of California's fires might have been on it, can't remember.

    Copies are for sale too. Google for it.

    1. Re:NWS does better by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Read the presentation linked to by another poster,
      this map explicitly filters out things like forest
      fires, it's intent is to represent static light
      soucres i.e; settlement.

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  36. Why is the sea dark by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1, Funny

    In a similar vein; how come all those Sea areas are pretty dark ?

  37. News for Nerds. Stuff that matters by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does this matter? It's neat, but it's something I'd expect in my inbox from my annoying friends, not on slashdot.

    1. Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that matters by borgdows · · Score: 0

      I'd expect in my inbox from my annoying friends, not on slashdot.

      slashdot is a kind of annoying friend isn't it? ;)

    2. Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that matters by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
      How does this matter? It's neat, but it's something I'd expect in my inbox from my annoying friends, not on slashdot.


      I think you're absolutely right. Demand a refund.

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  38. Light Pollution at it's best by scattol · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That image is a newer one that highlights LightPollution. You can find out more about light pollution at the IDA's website.

    Actually this is gives just a rough idea of what light pollution you might experience. If you want to find out more, you can look at the The World Atlas of the Artificial Night Sky Brightness.

    If you are in north america, the Clear Sky Clock gives you an quick way to see what light pollution is like on your clock having extracted sections from the atlas. For instance the Montreal clock clock gives this map for Montreal. Clearly not a great location for astronomy.

    But the worst, is to realise that this loss of light results in actual light pollution since much of this electricity has been generated with fossil fuels which produces the CO, NOX, CO2 and eventually SMOG.

    1. Re:Light Pollution at it's best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      6 Billion Humans Breathing create more CO2 in one year than does burning fossil fuel...

      6 Billion humans * 600cc lung capacity * 12% exhaled CO2/vol * 44g/mol * 10 breaths/min * 1440 mins/day * 365 days/yr plugged into ideal gas law gives about 4E15 grams of CO2 created by Humanity annually

      Taking gasoline as an example

      The reaction of octane (the primary component of gasoline) is:

      2(C8H18) + 25O2 -> 16CO2 + 18H2O

      So, for every 228g of gasoline you burn, you get 704g of CO2.

      At about 779g/l for gasoline, you have to burn about 1.7 TRILLION LITERS of gasoline to get enough CO2 to match Human output for a year

      A Barrel of crude has 159 liters, and the 10 top oil producing countries have proven reserves of 836 billion barrels as of 2003. The refining efficiency from crude to gasoline is about 25% on a good day

      So, there is enough crude in these top reserves to create 33.2 trillion liters of gasoline

      So, even if we COULD match human output by burning gasoline, we could only do so for about 20 years before running out.

      Of course, this "back of the napkin" analysis depends on some assumptions, and doesn't take into account naturally produced CO2, CO2 exhaled by animals, or other sources of CO2. This is not meant to start a flamewar, only to put things in perspective. Fossil fuels are not the enemy you think they are.

    2. Re:Light Pollution at it's best by BinxBolling · · Score: 1
      6 Billion Humans Breathing create more CO2 in one year than does burning fossil fuel...

      The carbon in the CO2 that human respiration 'produces' comes ultimately from plant matter (having possibly taken a detour through animal form). And the plants took that carbon from atmospheric C02, to begin with.

      So human and animal respiration doesn't constitute a net increase in atmospheric CO2 -- really we're just putting back some CO2 that some plant had recently taken out.

      The same can't be said for CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels. Yes that carbon had been in the atmosphere before some prehistoric plant fixed it way back when. But it's been sequestered from the atmosphere for millions of years, and releasing it now does constitutes a change in the composition of the atmosphere relative to what it's been like for most of human history.

    3. Re:Light Pollution at it's best by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      "CO2 is used in the respiration/chlorophyl/photosynthesis cycle of plants and is not really considered a "pollutant", "

      Not right now, but the ultra left-wing governments everywhere are trying to have CO2 declared a Pollutant so it can be taxed and regulated. Just imagine when it'll actually be illegal to breathe because you're polluting the atmosphere.

      Sometimes, the world is just silly. Plant life on this planet is thriving like it never has before because yes, we're increasing the amount of food in the atmosphere. Yes, we're also burning down rainforest, but for every tree that is cut down in Brazil, there are 10 new ones growing elsewhere.

      For all the alarmism that the left is engaging in, if you think about the time we've been collecting atmospheric data compared to the "time constant of the world" as I like to call it, we really only have the last picosecond of a 100-year long waveform. It's imprudent and quite frankly stupid to think that you can make any definite conclusions about anything from knowing so little about the system. Even if we go back 100k years, we still don't have a good representation of the equilibrium between plant life and CO2. The Earth is a robust system (go look up the definition of 'robust' - it means neither strong nor tasty in this context) and can respond well to transient changes in system parameters to maintain the setpoint.

    4. Re:Light Pollution at it's best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *arm farts*

  39. Stars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It must be how the stars see us at night.

  40. Drive from London to Singapore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After looking at this map, I'm curious to see that there seems to be a freeway that seems to run all the way from Europe through Moscow to China and Japan. And it looks possible you could drive down the East coast of China to Singapore.

    It's also strange to see how the areas of several countries (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, especially North Korea) don't have any lighting even though their neighbours are extremely well lit.

    1. Re:Drive from London to Singapore? by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      there seems to be a freeway that seems to run all the way from Europe through Moscow to China

      Possibly the route of the Orient Express? I'd guess that populated areas grew up alongside the railway.

      And it looks possible you could drive down the East coast of China to Singapore.

      You probably can. I've taken the train from Singapore to Thailand, and I know it's possible to travel - by road, I think, not rail - to China from Thailand.

      It's also strange to see how the areas of several countries (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, especially North Korea) don't have any lighting even though their neighbours are extremely well lit.

      I was curious about Scotland (posting this from Edinburgh...) which is largely dark as well. The central belt (Glasgow - Edinburgh, via Stirling) is well-lit, but the Highlands, particularly on the West Coast are dark. Geography, I'd guess, in Scotland's case - the region is very mountainous.

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    2. Re:Drive from London to Singapore? by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Informative
      Possibly the route of the Orient Express? I'd guess that populated areas grew up alongside the railway.

      The "Orient Express" was a luxury train which ran from Paris to Istanbul. What you've identified is the great Trans-Siberian Railway, leading from western Russia all the way to Vladivostok. It was indeed the corridor for Russian settlement in Siberia.

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    3. Re:Drive from London to Singapore? by Dusabre · · Score: 1

      The Highlands were deliberately depopulated. If you think the Irish had it bad, then have a look at Scottish history. The 'lovely' empty countryside of Scotland is a result of ethnic cleansing.

    4. Re:Drive from London to Singapore? by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was curious about Scotland (posting this from Edinburgh...) which is largely dark as well. The central belt (Glasgow - Edinburgh, via Stirling) is well-lit, but the Highlands, particularly on the West Coast are dark. Geography, I'd guess, in Scotland's case - the region is very mountainous.

      The Highlands (West coast of Scotland) are populated, but at a density of about 8 people per square kilometre. Compare that to Edinburgh (1725 per square kilometre) and Glasgow(3300 per square kilometre). Source: Scotland's population

      It's mainly due to economic growth in the past; Glasgow and Edinburgh both attracted large numbers of rural workers when shipbuilding and manufacturing where at their peak. There were also the Highland clearances where the wealthy landowners sold their land to English landowners who then had the residents deported to either Australia or Canada (around 12 million people around the world claim Scottish ancestry).

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    5. Re:Drive from London to Singapore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The 'Orient Express' was a luxury train which ran from Paris to Istanbul." ...or was it Constantinople?

  41. .torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, who has a .torrent for that 40MB file that has obviously been removed due to the /. effect?

    And just who thought it would be a good idea to link to a file of that size on a /. article, anyway? :)

  42. small pic newer than larger file by AwesomeJT · · Score: 1

    It looks like the small version of the photo was taken recently, but if you view the "larger" version of it, you get the old 2002 image (note, the 2002 image is much darker).

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  43. Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Light pollution is overlooked by most of the populace, but to us amatuer astronomers it is a royal pain in the ass. I now have to travel 3 hours into the rural sticks to get a glimpse of the Milky Way (I'd have to get on a plane and travel to Africa to enjoy it in its full glory). I'd be willing to bet that half the US population has never even seen the galactic clouds of the Milky Way ... which is a shame because it borders on a religous experience.

    Not to sound like Smokey the Bear but please Please do your part in help preventing light pollution and save a little extra in your monthly energy costs in the process. Use motion sensors for your outside security lights and timers for walkway lighting. Blinds and curtains to prevent inside lighting from leaking out into the neighborhood.

    You'd be suprised how many backyard astronomers there are!!

    More info on the problem:
    International Dark Sky Association

    1. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by ragnar · · Score: 1

      I agree. Unfortunately, I don't know what can be done about grown men who are afraid of the dark. In my neighborhood, for example, people leave lamp post lights on overnight. It annoys the hell out of me, because their light makes it into my room at night (in spite of curtains).

      I think we need to get people over this notion that they are safer in the light. I'm not sure how, but I see it as a psychological/attitude problem.

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    2. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by strider44 · · Score: 1

      yep. I live in Australia and even here, with the relative darkness in relation to the rest of the world, light polution can be a huge problem. You have to travel very far away from sydney to stop getting affected by the huge light pollution generated.

    3. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 1

      In Minnesota, me and a friend had to travel to nearly the middle of the state from the twin cities to get a reasonably good view of the Milky Way. Even out there it was pretty amazing to look at. It must be glorious to see it from Africa.

      Anyway, the name of the tow next to the area we stopped was Cosmos.

      No lie. Ironic and appropriate. Heh

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    4. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by belg4mit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pfft. What about us tree huggers? All that light you
      can see in space is energy wasted.

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    5. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by gr8_phk · · Score: 1
      "I'd be willing to bet that half the US population has never even seen the galactic clouds of the Milky Way"

      I'd bet it's more than half the population. An amazing site it is. My brother is an amature astronomer, so he took me out of town a few times to see the good stuff. I had no idea you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye. Spectacular the night sky is - when you can actually see it...

    6. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by tumbaumba · · Score: 1

      It must be glorious to see it from Africa.

      It is true what grand parent said, looking at milky way in full its glory is truly religious experience. I personally saw it only once in Siberia, where I came from. Still, we had to go very far from the city to see it, plus you need the weather conditions just right. I wish anyone could see our galaxy at least once in a lifetime.

    7. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to live very near Cosmos. Even there light is a problem, especially in winter, where the Cities make a nice pink glow on the horizon. If you ever get a chance to go up to the Boundary Waters, jump on it. (Even if the trees do block the view some.)

    8. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In my neighborhood, for example, people leave lamp post lights on overnight. It annoys the hell out of me, because their light makes it into my room at night (in spite of curtains).

      Sounds to me like you need a good air rifle.

    9. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      I thought that we were in the milky way. What do you men by "get a glimpse of the milky way?" Do you mean the other parts of the milky way?

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    10. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1


      I think we need to get people over this notion that they are safer in the light

      Why? Being deprived of a sense *does* make things more dangerous. If you don't believe me, then put on a blindfold and try to run around in an unfamiliar area.

      It's not an attitude problem. It's a learned evolutionary fear based on a good rational reason.

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    11. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      I imagine it probably looks even better from orbit. Those few lucky people who have gotten to go into space have seen something very special.

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    12. Re:Amatuer Astronomers (and Pros) Cringe by ragnar · · Score: 1

      When people are in their homes behind locked doors I think they can deem themselves fairly safe. I'll grant that it is safer to walk around a lit room than a dark one, but I need no such comforts when sleeping. Most people simply have spent most of their lives bathed in light and freak out in the dark.

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  44. Re:Let me guess by ack154 · · Score: 1

    Ya, god (or whoever) forbid that I make a wallpaper out of the part of the world that I live in.

    I will have my revenge in meta-moderating!

  45. McDonald Observatory by grouse · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, there are two reasons. One is that the McDonald Observatory, and the largest telescope in the continental U.S. is out there, and their Light Pollution Program has successfully reduced stray light for hundreds of miles.

    The other reason is that there just ain't that much stuff out in West Texas. ;-)

  46. Oh Crap ... by ReidMaynard · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like .. yes .. I left the back porch light on, again.

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  47. USA looks very bright by mrdaveb · · Score: 1

    Does the USA build its cities in a grid as well as its streets? It kinda looks a bit like that from space :-)

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    1. Re:USA looks very bright by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Sort of, the Louisanna Purchase was gridded out into
      townships. Roads were then typically built along the
      grid, and towns tend to develop at cross-roads.

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    2. Re:USA looks very bright by clintp · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you pick up a map of the US Midwest & Plains, you'll notice that most of the states are dividied into counties, and those counties are mostly rectangular. I suppose this makes dividing resources easier if they're all roughly the same size, and rectangular makes the dividing easy. Where they're not rectangular there's usually a natural feature that makes a "close enough" dividing line that's easier to survey than an imaginary line in the dirt.

      The counties are then (often) divided into townships or precincts -- again, rectangular mostly. Each county has a main city (or a "seat") where records are kept, courts are located, etc... The counties are then connected to each other by state roads. So a Midwest map looks ... gridlike.

      For example, I live in Michigan in Oakland County which is roughly a square. The county seat is Pontiac, which is almost centered in the county. The major Interstate freeways (built in the 50's and 60's) connect large cities directly (Pontiac, Lansing, Flint, Detroit) but the minor ones (state roads, 2 lane highways: M24, M15, M14, M53) are mostly north-south or east-west and quite straight except where they avoid lakes. A more sparesly populated county like Lapeer or Shiawassee is even more regular.

      The US Midwest and Plains states were divvied up into political units by surveyors while they were still sparsely settled. Contrast to the US East where political boundaries had to be drawn around existing settlements and roads followed existing paths -- this results in irregularly shaped counties and roads that meander every which way.

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    3. Re:USA looks very bright by mrdaveb · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. It couldn't be more different to most parts of Europe where cities and roads have been developing and growing organically since time immemorial. This makes rush hour a bit of a nightmare. I expect it's a lot more efficient when everything is layed out as a grid - maybe a bit boring though? :-)

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    4. Re:USA looks very bright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can thank Thomas Jefferson for that. He thought rectangles were the most beautiful shape in geometry, you see. And I'm not kidding.

    5. Re:USA looks very bright by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

      Taken to an extreme, it's not only boring but annoying.

      The area around Salt Lake City, Utah names their streets in a grid-like fashion that ends up sounding more confusing than you'd think.

      Imagine what it would be like to have the address (to make one up on the spot) like "1225 N 1900 E" (that's street address "1225", on the "N(orth)" portion of the street known as "1900 E(ast)".....). You'd think a rationally-gridded layout would be EASIER to interpret than traditional "(number) (name) (suffix)" (where suffix is "Street", "Avenue", etc.), but it doesn't seem to work out that way in practice.

      If you thought Utah was a messed-up place before, there's some more fodder for your opinion...

    6. Re:USA looks very bright by Teancum · · Score: 1

      I happen to like this numbering system. If you give me an address in Salt Lake City (or most of Salt Lake County as well), I can usually find the location within 3 or 4 blocks even if I don't have a map and have never been there before. The problem comes when somebody decides to build a subdivision in a new area and call it something more generic like Elm Street or Oak Street. When that happens, you are totally lost and even the locals at a gas station are clueless trying to help you out. This system is used throughout most of Utah, south eastern Idaho, and some of the "Mormon" areas of Arizona... at least parts that were settled by Mormon pioneers. If you are from Arizona you know what I mean.

      BTW, the second part of the address that you were mentioned, like 1900 East, is the name of the street. It could be called 1900 East Street, but because all streets are called streets (not streets and avenues), for shorthand they call it simply 1900 East. Roads going east and west (hence are north and south of the center of town) are named 400 North or 600 South.

      If you talk with locals it gets even more confusing yet, because when the cities in Utah were originally set up they didn't county by hundreds like is currently designated. Instead they simply called the street 1st to the east from the center of town 1st East. The next one was 2nd East, ect. that way 1900 East Street is sometimes called simply 19th East, or a famous place in Salt Lake County, 49th Street Galleria (since renamed) was on 4900 South. The 100's designation do help so a street that would be halfway between what should be 400 North and 500 North would be 450 North. That gets rid of really crazy street names (I've seen them) like 5-3/4er Street.

      Because of the influence of people from outside of Utah who simply don't get it, some streets are getting names again, like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue or Freedom Blvd. These usually also have an address like 600 South or 400 East, and the post office will deliver to either street name. And you think it is easier to find a place with that kind of address?

      BTW, many mid-western cities also have somewhat similar street coordinates, where they have an addresses that are counted from the center of town, and the streets are labeled 1st Street, 2nd Street, etc. and then have a city quadrant like NW, SW, NE or SE. Streets go north & south and avenues go east & west. Or the opposite, but consistant throughout the city. The problem you come across is that sometimes you will have eight different 11th Avenues, each having a sub-range of addresses and broken up because of rivers, freeways, shopping malls, or other natural & artificial features. Stil, it isn't hard to find a place like 1354 15th Avenue SW.

    7. Re:USA looks very bright by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      He must not have had anything to do with the friggin cow paths that make up the east coast. (Especially Northern Virginia/Washington DC)

      argh...

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    8. Re:USA looks very bright by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1
      And you think it is easier to find a place with that kind of address?

      Yes...but only because I'm used to it. If EVERYONE was using the boring-but-predictable grid system everywhere, it'd be really easy and make perfect sense, but right now it's mainly apparently around Utah and Idaho only, so streets named with multiple numbers and multiple directions just sound "wrong" and confusing.

      Kinda like trying to get the metric system in use in the USA - it would be perfectly comprehensible if everyone started doing it, but since we've been 'stuck' on English measures so long, metric seems confusing to USAians despite being more consistent.

  48. Insult by PHanT0 · · Score: 1

    Run 'emerge -uD'

    This image is actually so old (2002/08/11) I have three friends with this as a poster...

  49. 40mb image by LazyPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Did anyone get a hold of the big file and could mirror it?

  50. Anyone else notice how bright it is ... by claar · · Score: 1

    ... in Japan? ;)

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  51. Something old is now new. by Stumbles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This DMSP image produced by the Block V spacecraft is nothing new and has been around for a very long time. As far back as 1982 we used this image to create a picture we gave our students who reached honor grad status.

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  52. There's an interesting presentation... by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 1

    by the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program called "Low-Light Imaging of the Earth at Night". It can be found at http://dmsp.ngdc.noaa.gov/pres/low_light_120701/in dex.html/.

  53. Fishy.... by Anoraknid+the+Sartor · · Score: 1

    It doesn't look THAT accurate.

    Take a look at Tsushima (an island off the coast of northern Kyushu, Japan, just south of South Korea). It is almost complete lit up. But Tsushima is mainly mountains, and fairly sparsely populated... There is nothing there that would generate the amount of light that the image suggests....

    Any idea why this might be?

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    1. Re:Fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could those be fishing fleets, lighting up the ocean to lure fish (squid, shrimp?) to the surface?

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread68549/pg 1

    2. Re:Fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sure Launceston in Northen Tasmania Australia shouldn't be very bright either considering its population is less than 80,000. Yet it outshines many major cities.

      My guess would be skylights, tall buildings with lit roofs, poor street lighting design and reflected light from concrete white squares and pavements.

      Ideally an extremely well designed city should emit no light into space ;-)

  54. Re:Pretty old image: proof by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

    Damn right. The good guys at APOD *often* do reposts of the picture of the day.

    Proof:
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod /apod_search?earth+at+night

    I tried to make them add a way to know on the APOD's website when an image is a repost or not, but got no answer. I guess they may want us to believe every day they have a *new* picture, which is actually not the case.

  55. Dual monitors anyone? by Abit667 · · Score: 0

    This picture is perfect aspect ratio for that, I used to use it as mine for quite some time.

  56. Hall of shame by jridley · · Score: 1

    I've always considered this image to be a hall of shame. The areas lit up the brightest are the ones that are the most wasteful. There's no reason for even a highly developed region to be lit up like that.

    Remember the rule, if you can see the actual light bulb, and you're not standing between the light and what it's supposed to be lighting up, it's a crappy fixture and is just wasting energy. The US alone wastes over a billion dollars a year on energy wasted due to bad lighting fixtures.

    Go to a home improvement store sometime and try to find a decent exterior light fixture. You can't, they're all crap. People wouldn't hang a bare bulb in their house and think it was pretty, but for some reason they think it's fine outside. I think it's because it's shining AWAY from them, they don't have to look at it.

    You can buy decent fixtures, but not at the big box stores, so most people never realize they're buying junk fixtures.

    See the International Dark-Sky Association for more info

    1. Re:Hall of shame by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      The US alone wastes over a billion dollars a year on energy wasted due to bad lighting fixtures.

      Yeah, and so what? It's our energy to waste, as we please.

      Max

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    2. Re:Hall of shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God knows. I've been using the Internet (in some form or other) to correspond with people all over the world for nearly 15 years now.

      It used to be that most people had some kind of a clue, or at least some decorum.

      Well ok. I may have disagreed with them on some point or other, but in the end you had a reasonably intelligent and civilized debate.

      Well, I guess I'm just a sad old-timer, but...

      Your comment...

      "Yeah, and so what? It's our energy to waste, as we please."

      Is so utterly, stupidly, entirely fucking moronic I don't even know how to reply to it.

      So I won't. Except to say "DIE ASSHOLE" in the politest possible way.

    3. Re:Hall of shame by IvoryRing · · Score: 1

      I was curious about your statement... so I followed the ID-SA link you gave, along to the residential fixtures section. Lo and behold, quite a number of the items there are listed as available at Home Depot and Lowes. Not everything, certainly, and HD & Lowes will have plenty of items that fall into your 'all crap' category I'm sure; but from my desk it would seem that there are choices out there, even without going to a specialty shop.

    4. Re:Hall of shame by jridley · · Score: 1

      They SAY they carry them, but I have not yet been into a store that actually has them in stock. Admittedly, I've only been in about a dozen stores in the SE michigan area, it could be a regional thing.

    5. Re:Hall of shame by jridley · · Score: 1

      The majority of the energy waste is in streetlights, which are mostly run by municipalities.

      They're saving the taxpayers $5 on a lighting fixture once, and spending an extra $40 a year to run it.

      So, they're wasting YOUR money, compadre. I'd much rather see a city spend an extra $10K up front when redoing lighting, and have an extra $80K or so to spend on parks, education, or just reducing the deficit, if they run one.

    6. Re:Hall of shame by jridley · · Score: 1

      sorry, hit submit too fast. ...
      Also since the more efficient lights burn less energy, they probably get less hot and last longer, so less maintenance bills down the road.

      And when I say "waste" I mean waste. Light spilled into the sky does not do anyone any good whatsoever. It doesn't light anything. If you like to light up the outside of your house like daylight, that's fine, but it doesn't make sense to buy crappy lights that just dump light into the sky for no reason. Would you buy a floodlight and just point it into the air?

      Certainly, it's your right to waste if you want. But I think you're probably talking about "waste" in the "buying an SUV to go to the store" sense. I'm talking about "waste" in the "setting $100 bills on fire, and not even watching them burn" sense. True, complete, useless waste.

    7. Re:Hall of shame by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      Not all of this light on this map comes from lamps spilling light upward to the sky. If a streetlamp shines down on a concrete street, that concrete will reflect a large amount of light back up. Lights near water will show up better than lights away from water, for much the same reason. Using this map as an indicator that light is being wasted in ares that show up brightly isn't accurate.

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  57. Torrent anyone?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    40 MB!
    It would be interesting to see...

  58. for those who wonder about the Nile by xutopia · · Score: 1

    Egyptian's like to live at night. They usually stay up till 2am and often take a nap/rest in the afternoon because of the heat. Note also that Egypt is booming with tourism. It's a great place to visit and the place to be is close to the Nile so if ever you go to Egypt expect to stay up late smoking chicha! ;)

  59. Crude Estimate of Energy Usage by dunc78 · · Score: 1

    Would be an interesting activity to perform some kind of integration on the light intensity coming from different regions to get a crude estimate of how much energy is used in each region. I know there would be many inaccuracies and that all energy sinks don't emit light, but it would be interesting to see how close you would get to the measured numbers.

    1. Re:Crude Estimate of Energy Usage by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      Also, don't forget that you're looking at the light from the wrong side. Streetlights are supposed to illuminate downward, not upward. So one streetlight might be blocked by a canopy of treetops above, while another isn't, and the people who made them don't care about this difference. Cities in deserts and plains will show up brighter on the map than ones in forested areas, even if they are actually giving off just as much light on the ground.

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  60. Same Think!!! by dunc78 · · Score: 1

    You must be from Baltimore. I think Baltimoreans only say "same think" instead of "same thing", don't think they actually write it though.

    1. Re:Same Think!!! by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      Baltimoreans

      Don't you mean Baltimorons?

      Sorry, I just had to say it... When I left for college, people there asked where I was from, and I said Maryland, and they asked if I lived near Baltimore... No, I don't, and it annoys me when anyone asks it. /mini-rant

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    2. Re:Same Think!!! by Tassach · · Score: 1
      I think Baltimoreans only say "same think" instead of "same thing",
      Ah yes, the Bawlmer accent. Yep, and they warsh their ditches in the zink with wudder, hon.

      Oh, and the correct word isn't "Baltomorean"; it's "Baltimoron". :-)

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    3. Re:Same Think!!! by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      heh... I know how ya feel. I grew up in maryland, moved to VA for the jobs after graduating, and from that point on I told people I was from virginia.

      Alot better than people associating me with baltimore in any aspect. Would rather be known as a ridge-runner than from there....

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  61. Makes me depressed.. by GerbilSocks · · Score: 0
    Not because of all the wasted light, since each dot represents a town or city, half of them filled with women.

    I get depressed because I cant even get laid in my city, and to think there are so many women in so many cities all around the world. :(

  62. earlier versions by Alien54 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have, on my wall, an earlier version, from when I was a kid. Comparing the two is actually sort of scary. On the other hand, it's time to update my earth at night graphics in Celestia

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  63. That's Monster Island, not Tsushima. by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Funny
    Take a look at Tsushima (an island off the coast of northern Kyushu, Japan, just south of South Korea). It is almost complete lit up. But Tsushima is mainly mountains, and fairly sparsely populated... There is nothing there that would generate the amount of light that the image suggests....

    Any idea why this might be?


    That isn't actually Tsushima, it's Monster Island. The UN, in cooperation with the Russian government and the Japanese Self-Defense Forces, keeps a constant surveillance vigil on the indigenous monsters such as Godzilla, Mothra, and Gamera. (After 1954, nobody's taking any chances). This necessitates a lot of bright light, which is what you're seeing in the pictures.

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    1. Re:That's Monster Island, not Tsushima. by tyroneking · · Score: 1

      Thanks! This is the funniest post I've ever read on Slashdot!

  64. Your tax dollars at work... by maddog42 · · Score: 1

    A large selection of imagery with animations and image archives (~48 hours or so) can be had at https://www.nemoc.navy.mil/sat_user.php. Be sure to check out the modis/eos dataset. No password is required for 90% of the site...

  65. Very sparsely populated south and west TX by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    Uhhh, because more than half of Texas is basically wilderness / open range land?

  66. Blackout by Eclypser · · Score: 1

    This was really interesting the first time I saw it during last summer's blackout of the north east. We spent a lot of time trying to figure out which major cities should be lit up but weren't. With everyone's lights on, it' just not as interesting.

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  67. light pollution! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    a few years ago, I read in the news that the mayor of Quebec City wanted to install enough lights, so that it would be possible to see the city from space...

    I thought, what a moron. First things first: give us cheap space travel, then worry about being seen from space.

    more seriously though, I was hoping that last summer's great blackout would've reminded the urbanites what the nightsky is supposed to look like without light pollution, and would have motivated them to call for more efficient street lighting.

  68. Doesn't exaggerate greenland? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

    You need to take a look at a globe, my friend.

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    1. Re:Doesn't exaggerate greenland? by rokzy · · Score: 1

      I meant didn't exaggerate as much as other projections which have Greenland roughly the size of Africa.

  69. Not a cloud in the sky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the image filter out water vapor? It cant be so clear all over the world!

  70. How many North Koreans does it take... by Ritorix · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...to screw in a lightbulb?

    Obviously there arent enough.

    1. Re:How many North Koreans does it take... by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it takes all of them, because there is one small light in North Korea.

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  71. 40-Meg or 4-Meg image? by Skwerl · · Score: 1

    It appears that either the 40-meg image has been removed or that it was actually a 4-meg one. Did anyone happen to snag the 40-meg one if it existed? I would love to have that since I enjoy flying at night so much.

    1. Re:40-Meg or 4-Meg image? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Wait a couple of days NASA to realise the story's dropped off the front page.

  72. The US national land grid by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
    Sort of, the Louisanna Purchase was gridded out into
    townships.


    Actually, the organization of the West into townships began with the Land Ordinance of 1785, and first applied to the Northwest Territory, northwest of the Ohio. The same system was applied to the Louisiana Territory when it was later purchased.

    It's remarkable to look out the window if you are flying across the Ohio River near Pittsburgh - the farms are laid out in chaotic geometrical shapes from Maine all the way to the Ohio - and then at Steubenville, Ohio, along the river, it becomes an even grid towards the western horizon. That's the point of origin for the entire West.

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    1. Re:The US national land grid by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      That actually doesn't change what I said, "the
      Louisanna Purchase was gridded out into townships"
      is still true :-P

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  73. Re: What version is this ? by Mr+Europe · · Score: 1

    I have a jpg-files dated Sep 2001, which look very much same as this. Has anyone found any date information or are we fed with old data ?

  74. Madagascar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that off to the right of Madagascar? Dr. Evil's lair? And some of those little spots in the Indian Ocean?

  75. Precipitation by stereo_Barryo · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing a picture like this ( of the US ) on the wall at NASA Greenbelt in the 1980s. I was struck by it because it looked like maps of precipitation and vegetation ( and bird life ) that I had seen previously. At least in the US night-light follows population which follows water. Note the vertical line at about 100 degrees west longitude where the dividing line is between atmospheric moisture that can flow north from the Gulf of Mexico and those areas to the west that don't get that flow.

  76. *No* Lights in Antarctica? by adavies42 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't we at least be able to see a couple science stations, like McMurdo?

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    1. Re:*No* Lights in Antarctica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you have one or two lights on a building doesn't mean you can see them from space. Besides, I'm sure the scientists turn off any unnecessary illumination to conserve their limited supplies.

    2. Re:*No* Lights in Antarctica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, whole cities are represented by a few white pixels on this thing. Those Antarctic stations aren't nearly big enough to register.

  77. old news by rgoer · · Score: 1

    the Blue Marble images (this "City Lights" image is from the Blue Marble project) have been up and publicly available from nasa.gov for years. Full res TIFFs (21,600 by 21,600 pixels) available by special request.

  78. If you want the 40 Meg Tiff of this image... by gwizah · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nasa site seems to be screwy so...

    The Wayback machine to the rescue!

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040203105423/http://v isibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord?5826

    Which gives you the direct link:

    http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/data/ev58/ev5826_land _lights_16384.tif

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  79. Its a dupe by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    Long time ago on slashdot same story was there. I remember the story talking about North Korea and south korea division on basis of night. Cant find the link though

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  80. infection? by blackomegax · · Score: 0

    does anyone find it odd the light patterns follow that of a petri dish with bacteria on it? smith was right, eh?

  81. It's desert. The eastern U.S. and Europe are lit. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    "Why is the north-west region of India darker than the rest?"

    Most of Rajasthan is desert.

    Another topic: I find it interesting that the entire eastern part of the United States, and all of Europe, are lit.

  82. WTH? This isn't news by GoClick · · Score: 1

    This isn't news this picture has been around for YEARS

  83. Thanks for the update by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

    I've been using a nearly identical, albeit older version of this image for my DT for years. It was time for an update... so thanks.

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  84. only on slashdot by maxpublic · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Check out the cool NASA pic"

    inviting the response, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth:

    "O Evil capitalists of the First World! Indulging in such wasteful light pollution! Bow your heads in shame!"

    Left-wing socialist nutbags, if there's one thing you're good for it's pissing on *anyone's* parade, any time, for any reason. You boys are the reason Prozac was invented.

    Max

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    1. Re:only on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up idiot!

    2. Re:only on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why such indignation? Those topics are real issues that some people care about, very much on topic. If you like positive thinking, why not try to take a positive attitude on these problem issues?

    3. Re:only on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you left-wing socialist nutbags can't go pissing on people with your constant negativity and pessimism, then turn it around and bitch about them getting pissed off - calling THEM the negative ones. Bunch of fucking hipocrites.

  85. Try starsaver..... by hughk · · Score: 1

    The picture is used together with a matching daylight one for a Win screensaver called Starsaver available from www.staralliance.com. They show what parts of the earth are in sunlight (using the day photo) and what part is dark. It being the star alliance (one of the largest airline networks) they then show the progress of the various day's flights across the map. You can fastforward a particular day as well.

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  86. So where have you been for the last 3 years... by fireman · · Score: 0

    Really guys, this is an old one.

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  87. hay guys by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    hay guys ! look @ that dancing baby ! It looks so cool

  88. URL by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

    http://www.caf.dlr.de/caf/satellitendaten/bilderga lerie/

  89. What's above Italy? by Drakonian · · Score: 1
    Amazing picture. After travelling Europe for 2 months it's interesting to pick off the major cities and their light densities. For example, Paris, Florence and Rome are clear.

    I'm wondering, what's the dense spot right above Italy? Or maybe in Italy? Milan? I'd guess it's in Switzerland but I'm not sure. Bern? Zurich? Anyone know?

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    1. Re:What's above Italy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is probably Genoa and Venice

  90. it's about time by tekwiz · · Score: 0

    That pics been around for a few years now, glad the /. crowd finally found it.... oh yeah, I can see my house from here.

  91. I like it! by Cervantes · · Score: 1

    I like it... heck, I love it, it's beautiful!

    That must be why it's been my wallpaper for almost TWO FRIGGIN YEARS!

    Slashdot: News for procrastinating nerds, stuff that mattered a while ago.

    Really people... it was bad enough when we /.'d the site last time the story was posted... did we have to go and break it again?

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  92. Hmm. by jcuervo · · Score: 1

    Old image, blah blah blah. What the hell are those lights out in the middle of the ocean? Oil rigs?

    Hey, there's Iraq...

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  93. Check out the 38th Parallel: N/S Korea : Night/Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the 38th Parallel, like night and day between the two Koreas: North Korea is night, South Where? Find Japan. It's that blob to the left, attached to Mainland (Red) China. Where the dark/light parts meet is North/South Korea (along the 38th Parallel)

  94. Second link. by crmartin · · Score: 1

    Um. It appears I was hypocaffeinaemic when I wrote this, or it got edited slightly.

    The two links go to separate places, and at least when I wrote the article, the second link led to a page that included very large files, including one that advertised 40MB. I downloaded it but didn't pay attention, and it's on my system at home, so I can't check.

    I just tried it, and the second link goes to a blacnk page right now, so I suspect it's getting throttled or otherwise /.-ed.

    1. Re:Second link. by LurkingStranger · · Score: 1

      I think that a throughput issue is likely the root issue. I get a white screen as it loads on the larger file. It eventually loads, patience is a virtue remember...

  95. slashdot editors forget the past by peter303 · · Score: 1

    This is pretty common on slashdot to present old material as new. Many techies haven't studied much history- in general, or their own fields. As George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

  96. Bermuda by xylix · · Score: 1
    I love the fact that Bermuda shows up on this map. (I grew up there.) Bermuda is a VERY small island - just 21 square miles with a permanent population of around 60,000 (but over 1/2 million tourists a year).

    Take a look it is due east from North Carolina and due south from Halifax, NS. (Note, Bermuda is NOT in the carribean. It is in the middle of the gulf stream 700 miles off the eastern seaboard of the US.)

    On a different note... I am now living in Osaka Japan. I find it really interesting that in this small, densely populated country places like Tokyo and Osaka (Kyoto, Kobe) are just solid light; but nonetheless there are still areas of complete black.

    Last week I climbed Mt. Fuji. (Between Osaka and Tokyo) I was really struck by how bright the stars were. I hadn't realized how much light pollution I had come to see as normal (I was born in rural Canada.) I saw three shooting stars. I have never seen that kind of thing in the city before. And from the peak at 3776 meters the view up was crystal clear. I wish everyone had a chance to experience that kind of night view.

    1. Re:Bermuda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spent a week in Bermuda in April and loved every minute of it; can't imagine why you would want to leave :)

      Makes me wonder, how small/undeveloped does an island have to be in order to not show up? The Falklands also show up on there, as does Easter Island and (I believe) Pitcairn.

  97. Darkest Skies I've Seen: Middle of North Pacific by privaria · · Score: 1

    The most incredible display of stars I've seen was from a sailboat in the middle of the North Pacific. The combination of utter darkness, clear skies, and abundant time for reflection made for a deeply moving experience that I'll never forget.

    It's probably not a coincidence that I now live about 10 miles from the nearest traffic light, in one of the few dark areas you can see left in the U.S. on that map.

  98. Go East Coast by AviLazar · · Score: 1

    "Don't look at the light"

    "I can't help it..."{BZZZT}

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  99. Geographic Projection by Otto · · Score: 1

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Geographic+Projecti on

    Looks to be a simple Geographic Projection, where the lines of latitude and longitude are made into squares. Simplest projection to do, pretty useless for any kind of real mapping. But it looks nice.

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  100. spokes bear nazi by friendscallmelenny · · Score: 1
    Not to sound like Smokey the Bear but please

    Actually it's just Smokey Bear

  101. Poster available for purchase by brw12 · · Score: 1
    FYI, a nearly identical earth-by-night poster is available for sale for $9+s/h.

    I got one last year for my high school classroom and it's beautiful.

  102. Wheeeee! by webgit · · Score: 1

    I can see my house from here!

  103. Animation by estoll · · Score: 1

    It would be cool to see an animation of this image over time. You would see the lights growing.

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  104. beautiful. by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

    It's now my desktop background image, but also: it shows plenty of nice "empty" space just up the Pacific coast from Vancouver...

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  105. sorry... by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    That's actually /.'s new, blinding color scheme.

  106. Re: Aliens and Roswell by KnarfO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Aliens weren't trying to check out Roswell, they were homing in on signals they detected that were created by the first atomic explosion in White Sands, and just happened to crash (relatively) near by...

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  107. Why so late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn, why didn't someone tell me when they were taking these pictures so I could turn my light on?

  108. The Sky's Afire! by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    We lost power last winter around 1100pm one evening. I went outside to survey the damage and, for a brief moment, I could have sworn I was watching a fire lick at the sky- the normally pitch black sky was 'orange' and flickering, just as if a huge fire was a few doors down.

    Then it hit me- I was watching the death throes of the power grid as all the street sodium vapour lamps attempted to stay on... and as they cut out the sky was left it's natural, black look.

    Oh, and this image is WAY old. I've seen 20x60's for some time around work, I'd say for at least a year.

  109. Hey!... by Tesko · · Score: 0

    I can see my house!

  110. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left my lights on!

  111. Raw Data & Additional Info for City Lights by robsimmon · · Score: 1

    Raw data: http://dmsp.ngdc.noaa.gov/html/download.html

    Related true-color global images:
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom /BlueMarb le/

    Articles about research being done with the global lights dataset:
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/L ights/

    Info about the city lights data: http://dmsp.ngdc.noaa.gov/html/night_light_posters .html

    Maps have long been used to imagine events occurring on the ground from an airborne perspective. Satellites now record a similar view of actual events for scientists to study. The Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) currently operates four satellites carrying the Operational Linescan System (OLS) in low-altitude polar orbits. Three of these satellites record nighttime data. The DMSP-OLS has a unique capability to detect low levels of visible-near infrared (VNIR) radiance at night. With the OLS "VIS" band data it is possible to detect clouds illuminated by moonlight, plus lights from cities, towns, industrial sites, gas flares, and ephemeral events such as fires and lightning-illuminated clouds. The Nighttime Lights of the World data set is compiled from the October 1994 - March 1995 DMSP nighttime data collected when moonlight was low. Using the OLS thermal infrared band, areas containing clouds were removed and the remaining area used in the time series.

  112. for some real fun by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    open it up in photoshop and mess with the levels, color balance, and saturation, and you can bring out the natural colors and still see the lights

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  113. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From looking at this image all I can think is, come on guys, surely we can spare our backwards northern neighbors a little power.

    1. Re:Canada by Lihtan · · Score: 1

      Actually, we end up giving most of it up to you guys.

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  114. mirror SORELY needed by alumshubby · · Score: 1

    40 MB TIFF my @$$.

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  115. How about a web controlled robo-scope in Africa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much would it cost to build an automated telescope with a T3 connection in the middle of Africa?

    Have you seen the websites with the 'interactive' webcams where you can click a point on the image and the cam will center on that point, and you can zoom in and out?

    What if a telescope was built in one of the best locations, but was fully automated? It doesn't have to be a monster, but the bigger the better of course.

    Skygazers from around the world could set up accounts (pay?) with the telescope and "request" shots of certain points. The scope would then point to that coordinate and grab an image for you. Bandwidth allowing all images would be archived for future visitors who are just 'browsing'.

    Software could be written to map out the most economic moves required to hit each of the points. (You want to look at Orion's belt? Okay, we'll be in that area Tuesday night...) If there is no que the scope could systematically scan the sky snapping a pic every so often so that there would be a cache of recent images. (You want Orion's belt? Well, I can't do a close up until Tuesday but [HERE] are all the images I've collected in that area over the past month if you don't want to wait.)

    Or am I inventing the wheel here? :)

  116. BORG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Anyone notice that this picture looks similar to the Earth on the viewscreen of the Enterprise when the borg took it over in Star Trek First Contact? I for one welcome our new conformist masters.

  117. Re:It's desert. The eastern U.S. and Europe are li by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Why would you find that interesting?
    America was colonized from the east to the west. It's only logical that the east would be more lit, while the more sensible are less lit towards the sky.

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  118. These guys need to learn about PNG by almightyjustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Converting the 3,268,616 byte TIFF to a PNG and recompressing it with optipng (both lossless steps) brings the file size down to 1,940,833 bytes. I would expect a similar reduction with the 40MB image (if it exists).

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  119. Re:How about a web controlled robo-scope in Africa by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 1

    Actually it's been done: Rent a Scope ... but besides that there is no substitute for actually being there and experiencing a truly dark sky with the naked eye (no telescope needed). The galactic center is so bright it casts a shadow.

  120. India by MediumFormat · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that noticed how the entire outline of India shows up so clearly? It's amazing how pronounced that is.... Guess all those outsourced IT jobs require lights at night, too...

    1. Re:India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      India is a quiet--but as the imagery suggests--brilliant success story. How one wishes Gandhi could contemplate this remarkable document...

  121. Northwest Indian subcontinent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's interesting to see the dense line of lights in inland Pakistan. That's the northern border of the Thar desert if I remember my geography.

  122. Hmm.. Florida by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Florida appears to be lit up. Wonder what it looked like during the hurricane, or perhaps after the hurricane when so many people had lost their power?

  123. What about the whole earth? by Merlinium · · Score: 1

    Has any one done a picture of what Earth would look like without all the water? Would be interesting to see all the land masses stand out as tall mountains/plateaus, with huge crevasses spanning the width and breadth of the globe. Would like to see a High Detail version like the night scene picture.

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  124. I think I see my dad! (movie reference) by siffring · · Score: 1
    "I think I see my dad."

    Sorry for the abstract movie reference. You may not get it unless you've seen "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

  125. Madagascar by GeneticFreek · · Score: 1

    Comparing your population density map to the nightlights map, it seems Madagascar is quite under-represented by their light. When I first saw the nightlights map I guessed that there must not be many people living there. But your population map shows otherwise.

  126. US obligations by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

    Well... in the US' defense, they have broken ground, though getting the light water reactors built and in place has taken an inordinant amount of time.

    -l

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  127. Re:What a waste! Waffle? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Well, if "Mr. Alien" comes here, you won't be a candidate for "Belgian Waffle", since we humans are so full of chemicals anyway.

    But, if the DO want us for food, you can rest in the comfort of being among "Hoomon Sooflay".

    OTOH, any aliens arriving (by) here probably probably lost their vestigal stomachs and the need for meat. They'd probably drops sign posts saying: "Nothing here; move on..." in hex, octal, etc. Better yet, they could park a few dozen danger beacons around "our" solar system...

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  128. We want *good* lighting, not no lighting by jesterzog · · Score: 1

    Why? Being deprived of a sense *does* make things more dangerous. If you don't believe me, then put on a blindfold and try to run around in an unfamiliar area.

    I've spent significant amounts of time and effort campaigning about light pollution to local governments. For the most part, even amateur astronomers (like me) aren't claiming that no light is a good thing. Even astronomers need light to do things at night. What we'd really like, though, is more intelligent lighting.

    Most street lights and outdoor residence lights are very lazily installed and don't have adequate fixtures. Very few are actually full cut-off lights, meaning that substantial amounts of the light that they're producing is simply going up into the sky where it's wasted anyway. That part of it is a simple waste of energy, and reducing the waste should benefit everyone.

    Besides that though, there's a huge mis-perception that simply flooding an area with more light at night makes it safer. I won't even get into the implications this often has on local wildlife, because there's already enough evidence and rational argument that such lighting frequently, causes accidents, creates security issues or assists criminals.

    Many lights are essentially glare bombs, meaning they're bright but they're more likely to blind someone than to actually light what they're intended to. The brightness eminating from these can give the false impression that there's lots of useful light, when it's actually not lighting much at all and if anything has the potential to blind people (including motorists) and create accidents.

    Furthermore, if the light fails to properly direct like (and keep in mind that most fixtures are already badly installed), there's a likeliness that it's simply increasing the contrast between the lighted areas and the shaded areas. If you happen to be concerned about criminal activity, it's not likely to help by providing more places for criminals to hide, stalk around and drag victims to. Personally when I'm walking home at night, I consider myself safer in the relative dark. At least that way I'm not as visible and standing out to someone who might want to attack me for some reason.

    Plus, shining your lights onto a neighbour's property without their permission ... which many many people do ... is just plain bad manners.

    Even amateur astronomers who campaign against light pollution have plenty of arguments to use that have no relation with astronomy or dark skies whatsoever. We're not claiming that people should have to walk around as if they were wearing blindfolds --- only that lights can be handled much better and more efficiently than they currently are.

    Realistically, better designed and more intelligently installed lighting should benefit everyone. It's more a matter of getting past people's flawed perceptions that turning night into day surely must be a good thing... not to mention the ulterior motives that some government officials have. (Imagine what more efficient energy use could to to the Bush administration's energy policies.)

    1. Re:We want *good* lighting, not no lighting by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1

      This post is reasonable. The original one, that implied there was something superstitious or wrong with people thinking light is safer than darkness, was absurd.

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  129. What is that lit dot in the Atlantic? by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

    Off the eastern seaboard of the U.S. there is a tiny dot in the ocean. I've never heard of an island - let alone one large enough and populated enough to be lit up that visibly. Anyone know?

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    1. Re:What is that lit dot in the Atlantic? by brenQ(*) · · Score: 1

      Bermuda???

    2. Re:What is that lit dot in the Atlantic? by Jubedgy · · Score: 1

      Yes, Bermuda

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  130. Why is Mauritius so bright? by garethc · · Score: 1

    What's going on in Mauritius: a giant reflector dish? A stadium? An intense dance scene?

  131. So sick of repeat/old content...look familiar? by jriskin · · Score: 1

    Its just increasing the useful SN ratio...its out of control.

    Picture of the day November 2000... look familiar?
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap0011 27.html

    I can understand if an editor doesn't remember something. But don't you have some responsibility even MILDY fact check things? A quick google search would have been SO EASY....

  132. Thanks... by 3.2.3 · · Score: 1

    ...for the new wall paper. Fits across two monitors like a glove.

  133. Light for Security by superyooser · · Score: 1
    Blinds and curtains to prevent inside lighting from leaking out into the neighborhood.

    It's not "leaking." A lot of people want their neighborhoods to be lit up in order to shine the light on would-be criminals.

  134. Close-up of the U.S. by superyooser · · Score: 1

    Here's a more detailed picture of the U.S. for those interested.

  135. Mod up! by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    I've thought this too. After the first atomic explosions, perhaps this sends out some unknown FTL (faster then light) energy or quantum disturbance. And being this is an artificial fision explosion, I'm guessing it has it's own signature that sticks out like a sore thumb in the universe.

    If you want to send out a message to aliens, a nuclear explosion is a damn good effective one. Hell, how COULD you miss it?

    Interesting to note, UFO sightings have increased again after the testing in India and Pakistan. Sounds like a correlation to me. Or...it could all be bunk. I'll let you decide. heh

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  136. I'd like to see a true colour image by enosys · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a true colour image. It'd be interesting to see different colours of light corresponding to high pressure sodium, mercury, incandescent and fluorescent lighting. A colour picture would make better wallpaper too. ;)

  137. What about Moscow and Japan? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    It really does appear that "all roads lead to Moscow". The radial spokes of light converge on it. With that in mind, the aliens might head there, thinking it the head of at least SOME kind of empire.

    If you're going on sheer energy utilization, which might be the easiest thing to detect from a distance (maybe you don't want to be noticed), there's little that can compare to Japan. Following the Second Golden Rule (he who has the gold makes the rules) and treating energy as currency, they may well expect that to be the capital of the world.

    Mal-2

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  138. the response ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you hate freedom so much?

    tell Hannity I love him.