Admittedly I used to think that until the guy next to me started. Very bright guy and does excellent work. As he put it, it was easy to graduate but if you put the time in it was easy to really get something out of it. In part, it depends on the person that goes there.
"As far as linux is concerned this requires Theo to stop his knee jerk reactions to PAM and integrate ssh and PAM properly."
Integrating PAM and SSH is the job of the SSH portable developers not the OpenBSD developers. PAM does not exist on OpenBSD and will not. Complain to the developers who work on the SSH portable branch instead.
You are obviously just trolling and have no idea how the BSD system actually works. It's just as simple as in SysV to restart a daemon. For example:
/etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart
That's not traditional BSD style though. Only OpenBSD still uses that as far as I'm aware. Most OSes which use "BSD style init" use a BSD/SysV hybrid. In FreeBSD and NetBSD it's called rcNG.
"Well, or GPL people could take the fine contribution of the BSD people, and port it to GPL. Therefore both communities can benefit. If Sun had released it under GPL, the BSD people would have been prevented from doing this."
Sun's Dtrace is CDDL licensed, not BSD. Also, we wouldn't have been prevented from anything if Sun had released it under the GPL. We just would have imported GPL software over CDDL software.
Anyone recomending you install a snapshot on a production machine is an idiot.
There is binpatch out there but it requires you to have a build machine and roll the patches yourself. I'm not aware of anyone one rolling updates and making them available publicly. Be a nice contribution for someone with a little time to do it.
Are the *BSD people are nicer? Or at least more tactful?
Trying to make useful generalizations about "*BSD people" is pointless. It's too diverse a group. I used to make fun of Gentoo due to the fanboys on/. until I actually met a few of their devs at Linux World Expo. Again, another large diverse group.
In addition, every project has there share of friendly people and total assholes. There are people from my project I like talking to and others I don't. There are people from other projects I like talking to and others from the same project I don't.
No. Thats why there is more than one BSD. Issues come up, and booom crash goes the fork. Pity.
And that's why there re eleventy-billion Linux distros.;)
And it never occured to him to systematically unplug each device to see if it was the one causing the problem and then spend $99 on a new router? Something seems mighty fishy to me.
No, you seem to have not RTFA... These aren't his D-Link devices.
Never happen. OpenBSD spun off of NetBSD due to personality conflicts. DragonFly spun off of FreeBSD due to design conflicts. (Can't remember the exact people but it was an argument over some of the things in FreeBSD 5.)
Here are a few other problems with mergeing: - FreeBSD has its own SMP implamentation and conflicts over it's design was one of the reasons that DragonFly was born. OpenBSD's was ported from NetBSD's I believe.
- Can't speak to threading in Net and Open but Free and DragonFly are again very different libraries with different design goals.
- Free and Open (not sure about Net and DragonFly) are run VERY differently. Both communities tend to like their own model best. Merging would be a huge culture clash... Resulting in seperate projects again.
"OpenBSD needs to open up it's OS distribution so that people can download and bit torrent OpenBSD ISO disks. OpenBSD needs to be a little easier to install. By taking these steps more people will find out about the project and use it and it will be easier for them to install.
If you can install Gentoo you can install OpenBSD. (Both happen to be my favorite two installers.) The OBSD FAQ provides a step by step walkthrough. The reason for not providing an ISO *is* to drive CD sales for people who can't live without a CD or can't figure out an FTP install. I've used OpenBSD since 3.4 and 3.8 was the first CD I bought. Not because I needed it but because I wanted to support them.
FreeBSD survives mostly through donated money (to the FreeBSD Foundation) and donated equipment. Much of it from companies. Considering how prevalent OpenSSH is, there are a lot of large companies with a vested interest in what OpenBSD puts out and should be doing more to support the project.
(This is not a Free vs. Open flame, I work on Free.)
Ummmm, basic reading comprehension skills. It's no different than saying "American invention" meaning created by an American since the land mass known as America can't invent stuff.
"This just in, inventions are created by people and not adstract ideas... Ric Romero on the scene."
/ Cross-breeding Fark and/. to create the ultimate chimera // slashies rule.
Gzipped PDF? They do know about the Gzip compression option in the PDF standard, right?
Ummmmm, I'm guessing Greg realized it would take him 2 seconds to type `gzip file.pdf` rather than integrating it into the doc sources and rebuilding...
Depends on your branch of Christianity. Some sects interpret it figuratively while others do so literally. Half the fun of being Roman Catholic is being able to point at Southern Baptists and saying, "Well, we're not as crazy as them.";)
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Looking back at growing up, the people I know who had good parental supervision have thus far done the best in life.
Admittedly I used to think that until the guy next to me started. Very bright guy and does excellent work. As he put it, it was easy to graduate but if you put the time in it was easy to really get something out of it. In part, it depends on the person that goes there.
"BSD came to the scene about three years later than Linux. That was enough of a head start."
Huh?
O RLY?!?!
"Currently, Theo da Raadt (of OpenBSD) has proposed writing a faster (in compile-time not run-time), more secure/strict compiler."
This idea recently came up on one of the OpenBSD lists and was shot down by some of the OBSD developers.
"As far as linux is concerned this requires Theo to stop his knee jerk reactions to PAM and integrate ssh and PAM properly."
Integrating PAM and SSH is the job of the SSH portable developers not the OpenBSD developers. PAM does not exist on OpenBSD and will not. Complain to the developers who work on the SSH portable branch instead.
Not that I am complaining, but kids searching in it stumble on the porn quite easily."
Huh? I've been using myspace for a bit searching for old aquaintances from college and where I grew up and I have yet to come across any random porn.
Viking Challenge is awesome! It's my new "nothing else is on so let's see what crazy stuff is on ESPN right now" show.
You are obviously just trolling and have no idea how the BSD system actually works. It's just as simple as in SysV to restart a daemon. For example:
/etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart
That's not traditional BSD style though. Only OpenBSD still uses that as far as I'm aware. Most OSes which use "BSD style init" use a BSD/SysV hybrid. In FreeBSD and NetBSD it's called rcNG.
"Well, or GPL people could take the fine contribution of the BSD people, and port it to GPL. Therefore both communities can benefit. If Sun had released it under GPL, the BSD people would have been prevented from doing this."
Sun's Dtrace is CDDL licensed, not BSD. Also, we wouldn't have been prevented from anything if Sun had released it under the GPL. We just would have imported GPL software over CDDL software.
Well, it's a plugin to Nautilus so it needs to be installed. If it's not installed it can't be in the menu.
Anyone recomending you install a snapshot on a production machine is an idiot.
There is binpatch out there but it requires you to have a build machine and roll the patches yourself. I'm not aware of anyone one rolling updates and making them available publicly. Be a nice contribution for someone with a little time to do it.
Are the *BSD people are nicer? Or at least more tactful?
/. until I actually met a few of their devs at Linux World Expo. Again, another large diverse group.
;)
Trying to make useful generalizations about "*BSD people" is pointless. It's too diverse a group. I used to make fun of Gentoo due to the fanboys on
In addition, every project has there share of friendly people and total assholes. There are people from my project I like talking to and others I don't. There are people from other projects I like talking to and others from the same project I don't.
No. Thats why there is more than one BSD. Issues come up, and booom crash goes the fork. Pity.
And that's why there re eleventy-billion Linux distros.
And it never occured to him to systematically unplug each device to see if it was the one causing the problem and then spend $99 on a new router? Something seems mighty fishy to me.
No, you seem to have not RTFA... These aren't his D-Link devices.
Never happen. OpenBSD spun off of NetBSD due to personality conflicts. DragonFly spun off of FreeBSD due to design conflicts. (Can't remember the exact people but it was an argument over some of the things in FreeBSD 5.)
Here are a few other problems with mergeing:
- FreeBSD has its own SMP implamentation and conflicts over it's design was one of the reasons that DragonFly was born. OpenBSD's was ported from NetBSD's I believe.
- Can't speak to threading in Net and Open but Free and DragonFly are again very different libraries with different design goals.
- Free and Open (not sure about Net and DragonFly) are run VERY differently. Both communities tend to like their own model best. Merging would be a huge culture clash... Resulting in seperate projects again.
"OpenBSD needs to open up it's OS distribution so that people can download and bit torrent OpenBSD ISO disks. OpenBSD needs to be a little easier to install. By taking these steps more people will find out about the project and use it and it will be easier for them to install.
If you can install Gentoo you can install OpenBSD. (Both happen to be my favorite two installers.) The OBSD FAQ provides a step by step walkthrough. The reason for not providing an ISO *is* to drive CD sales for people who can't live without a CD or can't figure out an FTP install. I've used OpenBSD since 3.4 and 3.8 was the first CD I bought. Not because I needed it but because I wanted to support them.
"The CD-ROM is $45.00. I can't afford that."
Donate $20 and do an ftp install.
Did you even RTFA?
"What I want to point out what a lot of people don't seem to realize is that OpenSSH development is paid from the same pool of money as OpenBSD."
Run strings against Windows Services for Unix and look for OpenBSD.
http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html
FreeBSD survives mostly through donated money (to the FreeBSD Foundation) and donated equipment. Much of it from companies. Considering how prevalent OpenSSH is, there are a lot of large companies with a vested interest in what OpenBSD puts out and should be doing more to support the project.
(This is not a Free vs. Open flame, I work on Free.)
Ummmm, basic reading comprehension skills. It's no different than saying "American invention" meaning created by an American since the land mass known as America can't invent stuff.
/. to create the ultimate chimera
// slashies rule.
"This just in, inventions are created by people and not adstract ideas... Ric Romero on the scene."
/ Cross-breeding Fark and
Gzipped PDF? They do know about the Gzip compression option in the PDF standard, right?
Ummmmm, I'm guessing Greg realized it would take him 2 seconds to type `gzip file.pdf` rather than integrating it into the doc sources and rebuilding...
"whereas the Bible comes through intermediaries."
;)
/it's a joke.
// Fark slashies!
Depends on your branch of Christianity. Some sects interpret it figuratively while others do so literally. Half the fun of being Roman Catholic is being able to point at Southern Baptists and saying, "Well, we're not as crazy as them."
Huh? You're not one of those people who goes through life insisting they be reffered to by their /. nick are you?