Gnome is many years older but doesn't seem to have approached the capabilities of the KDE.
This is completely false. Gnome was started *as a reaction* to KDE's use of the then non-Free QT toolkit, so it'd be kind of hard for it to be older.;)
No offense to the poster, but moderators, please don't mod this up any further - it's a waste of an interview question, IMHO. Nautilus IS being *actively* maintained, and if one checks out the GNOME 2 snapshots or betas, Nautilus is MUCH faster now. The need for a "lighter" file manager is becoming less of an issue all the time. And if you really must have something lighter-weight, I hear lots of good things about Rox Filer... but let's not waste 1/10th of our questions on Nautilus 1.0.x speed issues, please.
From the article: "But if you consistently go over the limit, you're going to have to pay"
and also this:
"If they doubled the price, it might be a problem, but I doubt they'd do anything that drastic."
Before everyone screams bloody murder, there are a few points to consider here.
First, I'm guessing you're going to have to do some SERIOUS downloading to meet quota. It's the 24-7 Kazaa junkies that will suffer from this. And as my posting history will show, I have exactly zero sympathy for these people. But the graphic artists, etc, should be ok, as long as they actually *compress* their fscking 800MB.tiff files before sending them across the wire.
Gamers will *never* hit this cap I'm betting, as online gaming isn't really very bandwidth intensive - it's more latency dependant (in which case DSL 0wNs anyhow)
The other point is this: they aren't going to charge you some insane amount. Like the second quote says, it'd be shocking if they even charge double the monthly rate, which given what you're getting, isn't very much.
It's just eternal damnation, separation from God for all eternity in a place where the fire isn't quenched and the worm does not die, right? It's not like I'd have anything better to do, forever. And ever. And ever.
If God and all "his" true followers really are into threats and fear tactics like these, I think I'd PREFER going to Hell, thanks.;)
What Kazaa's doing is shady and an invasion of privacy, but isn't it funny how so many of the same people who are crying out "OOOOH, MY PRIVACYYYY!!! I'M GONNA SUEE YOUUUUUU!!" are the same smug fucks who are taking shitloads of music from artists without paying for it, and then have the gall to call it "fair use." Fair use IS a right, but distributing copies of an album to 1,000 of your "closest friends" is *not* part of that right, jerkoffs.
If you installed Kazaa, you got what you deserved.
</rant>
(Do your worst, Napster-martyr moderator bitches! I've got karma to burn! bwahahahha!)
Yeah, I'm intrigued too, Taco, but it's still Disney. Ever hear the one about Michael Eisner in the Senate hearing saying he couldn't think of a single reason for Michael Dell to sell PCs without hardware copy prevention except to sell to infringers?
I can't believe as an EDITOR (the founder, no less) of/. that you'd still consider giving money to these sleezy bastards.
I don't care how "great" this game might be. It's Disney, therefore I'm not buying it.
I'm not sure whether you're joking or not, but those university types who tend to invent most basic technologies tend to favor openness.
I'm not joking... except Mono IS open. Even if M$ takes.NET in some bizzare direction, Mono will still be a very powerful development environment, and it will be completely OSS, even if it's not compatible with.NET. Compatibility would be neat, but Mono will be powerful on it's own, even if it's not compatible.
I think you gloss over some of MS's flaws with that bullet list and claiming they're "credible" in all of thse areas.
Point by point -
* Compatibility and interoperability - Yeah, they're interoperable... with their own products. Interoperability with MS is a one way street - once you import all your wordperfect docs to Word, there's no going back.
* Stability of vendor - If by "stability" you mean that they're guaranteed to be around, yes, you're absolutely right.
* Amount of ongoing development - This they definitely have, too. No contest there. (I'm all about MS R&D - I'm rather looking forward to Mono;)
* Feature set - yeah, they definitely have this one (for better or for worse...)
* Marketshare and userbase - once again, there can be no contest on this one. I'm hoping Mozilla and OpenOffice help erode this though.:)
* Adherence to standards - Ok, I'm going to flamebait for a second here... (yes, that's also a verb) Perhaps you've never heard of "Embrace and Extend"? MS adheres to standards only when forced to, not because they believe in industry standards. I could go off on this one for a while, but I have to say they *defintiely* don't get the point on this one.
* Ease of use - Perhaps. MS has made strides in making PCs easier to use, but I believe most of their "ease of use" comes from familiarity, not just being easier. Familiarity *is* good, but it can't replace actual usability. Mac still holds that crown, without a doubt, and GNOME is actually making major strides with this with GNOME 2. Finally, WinXP was a huge step BACKWARDS for ease of use - ever tried one of their new "WinXP-Wizards-on-Steroids"? They're terrifying. MS should have quit while they were ahead with Win2k - their first and only respectable OS, IMHO.
* Security - Once again, Win2k made some big improvements in this area, but it's still nowhere NEAR where it needs to be. Outlook worm, anyone? I've heard their new ".NET Server" product is actually much better, though - it encourages GOOD passwords, etc. So kudos to them for finally getting a clue, and forcing MCSEs to get one, too.
* Stability - Again, Win2k was their first stable OS. NT was a fscking joke, and the 9x series... don't get me started.
Finally, what's up with the IE comments? Why should its userbase and features make me "have second thoughts" when Mozilla is actually *faster* (this isn't just open source FUD - it's true. go try 0.9.9 if ya don't believe me!) and strongly adheres to W3C standards, not to mention having very nice features like tabs and popup blocking.
Besides, the Backstreet Boys have a large catalog and a huge following, and I don't like THEM just because other people do either.;)
Yep, $150 for that copy, and a huge pile of money for support contracts. You really think Merrill Lynch is going to just "go it alone" in their migration? Not a chance. Red Hat is getting megabucks from this transaction, I'd bet. (That, and I'd bet they'll score quite a large number of sales of their "Advanced Server" product from this, too: http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/press _advserver.html)
Looking through the posting history for the "Reality" "Master", I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't layed off from a company whose product was made obsolete by some weekend hacker's OSS project, and he's damn bitter about it.
I know I would feel safer if the air traffic control is on Linux rather than any version of Windows...
God yes. On the other hand, even as a GPL bigot and Linux zealot, I wouldn't want Linux running air traffic control stuff either, not yet anyhow. This is what QNX, et al, were *made* for.
On the other hand, who knows? One of the great things about Linux is that in a few years it may just be good enough for air traffic control, etc.
I just think that many people automatically criticize Java because it's not OpenSource or GPL, without ever really using the technology or learning about the JCP. That is what I attempted to point out with my GPL comment.
Well, then, you did a much better job of explaining it this time around. (and good for you for not taking my playful flamebait.;)
The above post basically sums up what I think about Java... it's a great technology, it's just a real shame that Sun insists on dominating the language. It's their right, but I think it's also their folly. I wonder sometimes where Free Software could be right now if Java was made an independant, more open standard... (for that matter, think of where JAVA could be!)
Why do so many on Slashdot people feel compelled to write FUD about Java just because it's not GPL?
Nice troll. Where the hell did the poster mention the GPL in that post!? He might have been under-informed, etc, but the poster didn't once mention the GPL, or open source at all. Go ahead and refute his actual claims, but spare us the straw men and the "I'm hipper than all you OTHER/.'ers because I'm criticising the GPL and all it's hippy followers!" I hate to tell you this, but it's been done. (/me looks over in Carnage4Life's direction... just kiddin' Dare.;-)
it's not acceptable to reboot the machine every day to maintain performance
Hey, it worked for NT4 admins, why not for embedded developers? *rimshot*
Sorry. But seriously, anyone looking for hardcore low latency in Linux right now for systems that need that buzzword compliant "five 9's" should probably wait on using Linux until it's READY. Make no mistake, with as much interest and developer hours as are going into it, Linux WILL make it into this market, and it will succeed; it's merely a matter of time. (and hell, at this rate, it may not be long...)
On my work box, a 400mhz K6-III, with the right GTK theme and a few kernel patches (namely the low-latency, preempt, and (0)1 scheduler patches), Ximian Gnome rocks! Sure, Nautilus is a little pokey, but I'm using Gnome 2 snapshots at home, and even Nautilus is extremely responsive and snappy. (Ok, I know its silly that in order to get top performance, a desktop user would have to *patch his/her kernel* but cut me some slack - KDE would benefit from this too, so it's not just a GNOME "defect";) Besides, most of that stuff is going into 2.5 now, so the next kernel , 2.6/3.0 should be really exciting performance-wise)
I am soooooo anxious for Ximian to "do their thing" on Gnome2.x - with this and KDE 3 coming, it's an exciting year for Linux on the desktop...
I'm just suggesting that the original poster may have been talking about something other than OS installation
An excellent point, and quite relevant. KDE does an alright job of this sort of thing with their RPM install program, and Red Carpet makes installing RPMs in Ximian's software "Channels" extremely easy, but I don't think either one goes far enough. However, given technologies like.RPM and.DEB, I think this is still far less a worry than things like more flashbang stuff and greater app support. Writing a very usable frontend to "rpm -Uvh" or "apt-get foo" is relatively trivial compared to some of the other challenges Linux faces at the moment.
uhm.... the release announcement mentions the inclusion of Star Office 6.0 in the "power pack" edition, but a glance at http://www.sun.com/staroffice seems to indicate that this hasn't even been released yet? I wonder if this means Sun will be doing the final release soon?
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Gnome does have a usability project.
;)
Really? Maybe this site exists only in my imagination?
Gnome is many years older but doesn't seem to have approached the capabilities of the KDE.
;)
This is completely false. Gnome was started *as a reaction* to KDE's use of the then non-Free QT toolkit, so it'd be kind of hard for it to be older.
No offense to the poster, but moderators, please don't mod this up any further - it's a waste of an interview question, IMHO. Nautilus IS being *actively* maintained, and if one checks out the GNOME 2 snapshots or betas, Nautilus is MUCH faster now. The need for a "lighter" file manager is becoming less of an issue all the time. And if you really must have something lighter-weight, I hear lots of good things about Rox Filer... but let's not waste 1/10th of our questions on Nautilus 1.0.x speed issues, please.
From the article:
.tiff files before sending them across the wire.
"But if you consistently go over the limit, you're going to have to pay"
and also this:
"If they doubled the price, it might be a problem, but I doubt they'd do anything that drastic."
Before everyone screams bloody murder, there are a few points to consider here.
First, I'm guessing you're going to have to do some SERIOUS downloading to meet quota. It's the 24-7 Kazaa junkies that will suffer from this. And as my posting history will show, I have exactly zero sympathy for these people. But the graphic artists, etc, should be ok, as long as they actually *compress* their fscking 800MB
Gamers will *never* hit this cap I'm betting, as online gaming isn't really very bandwidth intensive - it's more latency dependant (in which case DSL 0wNs anyhow)
The other point is this: they aren't going to charge you some insane amount. Like the second quote says, it'd be shocking if they even charge double the monthly rate, which given what you're getting, isn't very much.
MOD PARENT UP!
I agree with this completely - if only more people understood this point of view.
Heh... very true. My bad! (I live with a "mass media" [read: mass comm] major, so my vocabulary is all warped. ;)
Instead of following HeUnique's instructions to get rid of Kazaa's spyware, try this:
;P
DON'T INSTALL IT TO BEGIN WITH.
tempest303, continuing his crusade to troll people that think fair use means never paying for media.
Red Hat, Ximian, and the Kompany all appear to be doing well...
It's just eternal damnation, separation from God for all eternity in a place where the fire isn't quenched and the worm does not die, right? It's not like I'd have anything better to do, forever. And ever. And ever.
;)
If God and all "his" true followers really are into threats and fear tactics like these, I think I'd PREFER going to Hell, thanks.
What Kazaa's doing is shady and an invasion of privacy, but isn't it funny how so many of the same people who are crying out "OOOOH, MY PRIVACYYYY!!! I'M GONNA SUEE YOUUUUUU!!" are the same smug fucks who are taking shitloads of music from artists without paying for it, and then have the gall to call it "fair use." Fair use IS a right, but distributing copies of an album to 1,000 of your "closest friends" is *not* part of that right, jerkoffs.
If you installed Kazaa, you got what you deserved.
</rant>
(Do your worst, Napster-martyr moderator bitches! I've got karma to burn! bwahahahha!)
Yeah, I'm intrigued too, Taco, but it's still Disney. Ever hear the one about Michael Eisner in the Senate hearing saying he couldn't think of a single reason for Michael Dell to sell PCs without hardware copy prevention except to sell to infringers?
/. that you'd still consider giving money to these sleezy bastards.
I can't believe as an EDITOR (the founder, no less) of
I don't care how "great" this game might be. It's Disney, therefore I'm not buying it.
I'm not sure whether you're joking or not, but those university types who tend to invent most basic technologies tend to favor openness.
.NET in some bizzare direction, Mono will still be a very powerful development environment, and it will be completely OSS, even if it's not compatible with .NET. Compatibility would be neat, but Mono will be powerful on it's own, even if it's not compatible.
I'm not joking... except Mono IS open. Even if M$ takes
I think you gloss over some of MS's flaws with that bullet list and claiming they're "credible" in all of thse areas.
;)
:)
;)
Point by point -
* Compatibility and interoperability - Yeah, they're interoperable... with their own products. Interoperability with MS is a one way street - once you import all your wordperfect docs to Word, there's no going back.
* Stability of vendor - If by "stability" you mean that they're guaranteed to be around, yes, you're absolutely right.
* Amount of ongoing development - This they definitely have, too. No contest there. (I'm all about MS R&D - I'm rather looking forward to Mono
* Feature set - yeah, they definitely have this one (for better or for worse...)
* Marketshare and userbase - once again, there can be no contest on this one. I'm hoping Mozilla and OpenOffice help erode this though.
* Adherence to standards - Ok, I'm going to flamebait for a second here... (yes, that's also a verb) Perhaps you've never heard of "Embrace and Extend"? MS adheres to standards only when forced to, not because they believe in industry standards. I could go off on this one for a while, but I have to say they *defintiely* don't get the point on this one.
* Ease of use - Perhaps. MS has made strides in making PCs easier to use, but I believe most of their "ease of use" comes from familiarity, not just being easier. Familiarity *is* good, but it can't replace actual usability. Mac still holds that crown, without a doubt, and GNOME is actually making major strides with this with GNOME 2. Finally, WinXP was a huge step BACKWARDS for ease of use - ever tried one of their new "WinXP-Wizards-on-Steroids"? They're terrifying. MS should have quit while they were ahead with Win2k - their first and only respectable OS, IMHO.
* Security - Once again, Win2k made some big improvements in this area, but it's still nowhere NEAR where it needs to be. Outlook worm, anyone? I've heard their new ".NET Server" product is actually much better, though - it encourages GOOD passwords, etc. So kudos to them for finally getting a clue, and forcing MCSEs to get one, too.
* Stability - Again, Win2k was their first stable OS. NT was a fscking joke, and the 9x series... don't get me started.
Finally, what's up with the IE comments? Why should its userbase and features make me "have second thoughts" when Mozilla is actually *faster* (this isn't just open source FUD - it's true. go try 0.9.9 if ya don't believe me!) and strongly adheres to W3C standards, not to mention having very nice features like tabs and popup blocking.
Besides, the Backstreet Boys have a large catalog and a huge following, and I don't like THEM just because other people do either.
gah! How embarassing! :)
Oh, well....
Yep, $150 for that copy, and a huge pile of money for support contracts. You really think Merrill Lynch is going to just "go it alone" in their migration? Not a chance. Red Hat is getting megabucks from this transaction, I'd bet. (That, and I'd bet they'll score quite a large number of sales of their "Advanced Server" product from this, too: http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/press _advserver.html)
Looking through the posting history for the "Reality" "Master", I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't layed off from a company whose product was made obsolete by some weekend hacker's OSS project, and he's damn bitter about it.
I know I would feel safer if the air traffic control is on Linux rather than any version of Windows...
God yes. On the other hand, even as a GPL bigot and Linux zealot, I wouldn't want Linux running air traffic control stuff either, not yet anyhow. This is what QNX, et al, were *made* for.
On the other hand, who knows? One of the great things about Linux is that in a few years it may just be good enough for air traffic control, etc.
the parent post is an AC, so it's at "0" but s/he's got an excellet point. Moderators: please mod up!
I just think that many people automatically criticize Java because it's not OpenSource or GPL, without ever really using the technology or learning about the JCP. That is what I attempted to point out with my GPL comment.
;)
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Well, then, you did a much better job of explaining it this time around. (and good for you for not taking my playful flamebait.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=29895&cid=3
The above post basically sums up what I think about Java... it's a great technology, it's just a real shame that Sun insists on dominating the language. It's their right, but I think it's also their folly. I wonder sometimes where Free Software could be right now if Java was made an independant, more open standard... (for that matter, think of where JAVA could be!)
Why do so many on Slashdot people feel compelled to write FUD about Java just because it's not GPL?
/.'ers because I'm criticising the GPL and all it's hippy followers!" I hate to tell you this, but it's been done. (/me looks over in Carnage4Life's direction... just kiddin' Dare. ;-)
Nice troll. Where the hell did the poster mention the GPL in that post!? He might have been under-informed, etc, but the poster didn't once mention the GPL, or open source at all. Go ahead and refute his actual claims, but spare us the straw men and the "I'm hipper than all you OTHER
What's up with the degrading performance?
;)
It's called a bug - they'll figure it out.
it's not acceptable to reboot the machine every day to maintain performance
Hey, it worked for NT4 admins, why not for embedded developers? *rimshot*
Sorry. But seriously, anyone looking for hardcore low latency in Linux right now for systems that need that buzzword compliant "five 9's" should probably wait on using Linux until it's READY. Make no mistake, with as much interest and developer hours as are going into it, Linux WILL make it into this market, and it will succeed; it's merely a matter of time. (and hell, at this rate, it may not be long...)
I'm going to throw in a "me too" here...
;) Besides, most of that stuff is going into 2.5 now, so the next kernel , 2.6/3.0 should be really exciting performance-wise)
On my work box, a 400mhz K6-III, with the right GTK theme and a few kernel patches (namely the low-latency, preempt, and (0)1 scheduler patches), Ximian Gnome rocks! Sure, Nautilus is a little pokey, but I'm using Gnome 2 snapshots at home, and even Nautilus is extremely responsive and snappy. (Ok, I know its silly that in order to get top performance, a desktop user would have to *patch his/her kernel* but cut me some slack - KDE would benefit from this too, so it's not just a GNOME "defect"
I am soooooo anxious for Ximian to "do their thing" on Gnome2.x - with this and KDE 3 coming, it's an exciting year for Linux on the desktop...
Fluxbox is looking VERY cool - especially since they're working towards full ICCCM support, which means full support for KDE and GNOME.
I'd like to see this review looked at again with a gtk theme like Premier (uber-fast, uber-clean) and Fluxbox as the WM!
Business 101 - try really , really hard to piss off your customers
;p
"customers"? As in, one who buys things from you? I thought the whole idea of Morpheus, et al, was that no one ever paid for anything anymore.
I'm just suggesting that the original poster may have been talking about something other than OS installation
.RPM and .DEB, I think this is still far less a worry than things like more flashbang stuff and greater app support. Writing a very usable frontend to "rpm -Uvh" or "apt-get foo" is relatively trivial compared to some of the other challenges Linux faces at the moment.
An excellent point, and quite relevant. KDE does an alright job of this sort of thing with their RPM install program, and Red Carpet makes installing RPMs in Ximian's software "Channels" extremely easy, but I don't think either one goes far enough. However, given technologies like
uhm.... the release announcement mentions the inclusion of Star Office 6.0 in the "power pack" edition, but a glance at http://www.sun.com/staroffice seems to indicate that this hasn't even been released yet? I wonder if this means Sun will be doing the final release soon?