It sucks that it' shutting down (I use it for GB-PVR)- but they did do it for free for years. Let's not demonize them, no matter the reason, and start looking for alternatives.
I posted a bunch of messages to usenet, emailed them to myself and even posted a sample here that contained hate speech, random government acronyms (NSA to ATF to USDA), JFK, MLK, a mention of Aaron Burr, and random digits (binary lines, hex lines and a few decimal lines).
Oh, and words like assassinate, explosion, what have you. More or less the message looked like jibberish, but had a somewhat bogus PGP signature (I really signed it, just with an alias e-mail and name).
Nothing ever happened, but then again I've not tried to fly... so I don't know for sure.
I can't seem to find it on USENET, or even here, but I know people here copied it and used it.
So, by that vain I can forget about the RIAA and MPAA? I didn't have a job when I downloaded those torrents, and had no way of generating the income needed to enjoy the works I downloaded. Hey, I'm not a recording industry who can raise millions in a week!
The lesson from this school system is: It's okay to steal if you don't have a job.
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When the entrant to this contract commits one of the above acts they expressly enter into a contract for the entrant's soul. Once acquired by the issuer (ImaLamer, a subsidiary of ILP Inc Corporate Technologies and Weapons Manufacturing Research; herein known as ImaLamer/ILP) it can not be returned.
This is quite true; there's a lot of adolescent drivel out there with my real name on it which I posted circa '93-95 (and some even later) that I didn't realise would be archived. Usenet then *was* seen to be ephemeral.
Even worse is when you were the only in the neighborhood with a real ISP. All my friends had AOL or Prodigy so they came to me to ask the USENET about drugs and other things... under my name.
I fear my next interviewer will know how to Google.
This is going to be my second comment that sounds in defense of Microsoft, but here goes:
You can only be sued if you copy it.
Sudo exists and you can't be sued for that. If you go two steps into the patent you can't be sued for that - so you fork the patent. This patent is for a collection of processes, not just one. Develop a competing system and you not only avoid being sued, but you may make use of the patent law.
Are they right (software patents)? No; but why not beat them at their own game?
49% of you are bitching because you say UAC sucks, and 49% of you are bitching because you say it's a patent trap (it wouldn't be hard to create a Venn of the overlap). Why copy a sucky patent? (Don't patents exist because they don't want you to copy their sweet idea? Which is it?)
Except that you become conditioned to WHEN the prompts arise. (Which don't happen when opening the Control Panel btw)
A lot of programs you install in Vista don't give you the prompt, others do. Some things you do in Vista give you the prompt, others don't. Those installs that are silently passed are signed or don't request to do anything dramatic to the system, and average user doesn't care why or how, he just knows it's trusted. He or she usually got that software from the site of the publisher or physical media (likely too, a publisher who is huge) and he or she knows it's safe. The prompts arise when you get into Control Panel and other aspects of the Windows system where changes could bring failure, but not when copying your personal files around. I notice I get it on my laptop when another program calls a program that isn't signed (Firefox calls an old version of Winrar, because I don't want to buy the new one, and each time it asks me if I'd like to open the file. Not only do I LIKE this, but respect it. Sygate personal firewall conditioned me to this when Firefox was opened by another program - not only does it save the time of loading some advert page, on a DVD maybe, but it kept a few pieces of malware from phoning home. Users can understand this behavior.)
The number one item that can protect the average user is if a prompt arises out of no where. If you are browsing the web and suddenly you are asked for permission to modify your system - when you've done nothing to drive the event - you aren't going to allow it. Sure, when you download and install software you may fly through that prompt, but to the new user, the normal user, you will learn right away that installing software is dangerous. In my corporate IT environment installing any software is forbidden, running software not supplied by IT is forbidden - for a reason. After clicking through a few cancel or allows you may just discriminate a little more when it comes to your actions. Is it security? Not really, but do home users really need that much? Isn't it right to tell them that making or saving a change in the Control Panel can have adverse effects? (and likewise with the other actions?)
It's hard to attack UAC completely because Linux and others have Sudo, Redhat allowed you to escalate to root privileges by simply typing the password and to most new Linux users escalating to root has become a normal exercise. There is all this talk about OS security, but it's all in the hands of the users. To deny someone the ability to take control of their own machine is barbaric - I think we all agree with that statement. We can't lock users out of taking control of those center ring privileges, unless you're the head of IT and those machines are under you "watch". You say it shifts blame, but that is where it belongs, on the user. The help is there in Vista, it spells out the concept of UAC in easy to understand terms. There is no reason a normal user can't take advantage of it. I know many people who still accept cookies on a per request basis (on today's web!) - some people actually want this feature. It doesn't work for the great majority of us, but don't kid yourself and say we aren't completely familiar with idea.
My advice for the soccer moms and grandparents: Don't turn it off. Prompting is good. This is coming from someone who has had a desktop system with the same factory install of Windows XP running since January, 2004 (I un-boxed it June of 2004). I work with what I have, and that system has not only been a workhorse for my Windows desktop software, but runs a ton of GPL software and is enhanced with Cygwin. All together I run 6 machines at home with Debian, FreeBSD, XP Pro, XP Home, Vista (aforementioned laptop) and Windows 2000 Server. Only two of those require an escalation of privileges, at the machine Everything has a place and UAC has a place with those new users going to their retail store and buying a PC for the first time. Years ago people were complaining didn't Windows have a similar mechanism.
I'd take another look at my contract with the SEO - did they promise more hits?
If I paid them to INCREASE my hits and they (hits) DECREASED I'd sue them for a return of my money. Now if they didn't make any promises then there is no recourse.
That's why I propose that you turn kids into personal secretaries.
There is no need to exclude them from your daily lives when you can include them. They can read you e-mail's, send off reports and respond to instant messages when you drive or while you navigate the office, elevators and more. Take them out of school and take them to work. They will learn your trade and the world while keeping the family bond strong and reinforcing the importance of education. You see, you'll teach them to read much faster when you are driving 60 miles an hour and you need to know the time of your next appointment and what direction you should really be going on the highway.
Maybe employing our own children is the answer to allowing more flex time and true telecommuting.
Google is reinventing the wheel on a platform that isn't nearly as conducive as Windows, X or OSX.
Then why did Microsoft kill Netscape?
The fact is, the browser can do it too. Microsoft made the mistake of thinking that they should kill the other browsers, really they should have killed other web sites! If you don't know what I mean, then you weren't alive in the 1990's...
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I'm adding wrinkles to my new Gnu tattoo.
I'll be orgasming on my iPhone when it's streaming Stallman's speech.
Thank you for being the first to thank them.
It sucks that it' shutting down (I use it for GB-PVR)- but they did do it for free for years. Let's not demonize them, no matter the reason, and start looking for alternatives.
I play WoW to escape the real world, I don't want to talk to people.
Somewhat.
I posted a bunch of messages to usenet, emailed them to myself and even posted a sample here that contained hate speech, random government acronyms (NSA to ATF to USDA), JFK, MLK, a mention of Aaron Burr, and random digits (binary lines, hex lines and a few decimal lines).
Oh, and words like assassinate, explosion, what have you. More or less the message looked like jibberish, but had a somewhat bogus PGP signature (I really signed it, just with an alias e-mail and name).
Nothing ever happened, but then again I've not tried to fly... so I don't know for sure.
I can't seem to find it on USENET, or even here, but I know people here copied it and used it.
So, by that vain I can forget about the RIAA and MPAA? I didn't have a job when I downloaded those torrents, and had no way of generating the income needed to enjoy the works I downloaded. Hey, I'm not a recording industry who can raise millions in a week!
The lesson from this school system is: It's okay to steal if you don't have a job.
Copyright 2007
The issuer of this contract allows users to enter into it by any of the following actions:
When the entrant to this contract commits one of the above acts they expressly enter into a contract for the entrant's soul. Once acquired by the issuer (ImaLamer, a subsidiary of ILP Inc Corporate Technologies and Weapons Manufacturing Research; herein known as ImaLamer/ILP) it can not be returned.
I feel bad since I just added you as a friend ten seconds ago... but in reality you need to turn in your zealot license.
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Enter the show that would you like to watch:
> Global Thermo-Nuclear War
May we also suggest: Genocide In These Modern Times, NASCAR
This is quite true; there's a lot of adolescent drivel out there with my real name on it which I posted circa '93-95 (and some even later) that I didn't realise would be archived. Usenet then *was* seen to be ephemeral.
Even worse is when you were the only in the neighborhood with a real ISP. All my friends had AOL or Prodigy so they came to me to ask the USENET about drugs and other things... under my name.
I fear my next interviewer will know how to Google.
This is going to be my second comment that sounds in defense of Microsoft, but here goes:
You can only be sued if you copy it.
Sudo exists and you can't be sued for that. If you go two steps into the patent you can't be sued for that - so you fork the patent. This patent is for a collection of processes, not just one. Develop a competing system and you not only avoid being sued, but you may make use of the patent law.
Are they right (software patents)? No; but why not beat them at their own game?
49% of you are bitching because you say UAC sucks, and 49% of you are bitching because you say it's a patent trap (it wouldn't be hard to create a Venn of the overlap). Why copy a sucky patent? (Don't patents exist because they don't want you to copy their sweet idea? Which is it?)
Except that you become conditioned to WHEN the prompts arise. (Which don't happen when opening the Control Panel btw)
A lot of programs you install in Vista don't give you the prompt, others do. Some things you do in Vista give you the prompt, others don't. Those installs that are silently passed are signed or don't request to do anything dramatic to the system, and average user doesn't care why or how, he just knows it's trusted. He or she usually got that software from the site of the publisher or physical media (likely too, a publisher who is huge) and he or she knows it's safe. The prompts arise when you get into Control Panel and other aspects of the Windows system where changes could bring failure, but not when copying your personal files around. I notice I get it on my laptop when another program calls a program that isn't signed (Firefox calls an old version of Winrar, because I don't want to buy the new one, and each time it asks me if I'd like to open the file. Not only do I LIKE this, but respect it. Sygate personal firewall conditioned me to this when Firefox was opened by another program - not only does it save the time of loading some advert page, on a DVD maybe, but it kept a few pieces of malware from phoning home. Users can understand this behavior.)
The number one item that can protect the average user is if a prompt arises out of no where. If you are browsing the web and suddenly you are asked for permission to modify your system - when you've done nothing to drive the event - you aren't going to allow it. Sure, when you download and install software you may fly through that prompt, but to the new user, the normal user, you will learn right away that installing software is dangerous. In my corporate IT environment installing any software is forbidden, running software not supplied by IT is forbidden - for a reason. After clicking through a few cancel or allows you may just discriminate a little more when it comes to your actions. Is it security? Not really, but do home users really need that much? Isn't it right to tell them that making or saving a change in the Control Panel can have adverse effects? (and likewise with the other actions?)
It's hard to attack UAC completely because Linux and others have Sudo, Redhat allowed you to escalate to root privileges by simply typing the password and to most new Linux users escalating to root has become a normal exercise. There is all this talk about OS security, but it's all in the hands of the users. To deny someone the ability to take control of their own machine is barbaric - I think we all agree with that statement. We can't lock users out of taking control of those center ring privileges, unless you're the head of IT and those machines are under you "watch". You say it shifts blame, but that is where it belongs, on the user. The help is there in Vista, it spells out the concept of UAC in easy to understand terms. There is no reason a normal user can't take advantage of it. I know many people who still accept cookies on a per request basis (on today's web!) - some people actually want this feature. It doesn't work for the great majority of us, but don't kid yourself and say we aren't completely familiar with idea.
My advice for the soccer moms and grandparents: Don't turn it off. Prompting is good. This is coming from someone who has had a desktop system with the same factory install of Windows XP running since January, 2004 (I un-boxed it June of 2004). I work with what I have, and that system has not only been a workhorse for my Windows desktop software, but runs a ton of GPL software and is enhanced with Cygwin. All together I run 6 machines at home with Debian, FreeBSD, XP Pro, XP Home, Vista (aforementioned laptop) and Windows 2000 Server. Only two of those require an escalation of privileges, at the machine Everything has a place and UAC has a place with those new users going to their retail store and buying a PC for the first time. Years ago people were complaining didn't Windows have a similar mechanism.
I'd take another look at my contract with the SEO - did they promise more hits?
If I paid them to INCREASE my hits and they (hits) DECREASED I'd sue them for a return of my money. Now if they didn't make any promises then there is no recourse.
I'm Swiss you insensitive clod!
Silly, no real geek uses Vista.
Yes, I'm sure that's the reason.
Think of this more as Internet 1.5
You are trying to erupt, cancel or allow?
Repost of an earlier comment I made about "BlackBerry Orphans":
That's why I propose that you turn kids into personal secretaries.
There is no need to exclude them from your daily lives when you can include them. They can read you e-mail's, send off reports and respond to instant messages when you drive or while you navigate the office, elevators and more. Take them out of school and take them to work. They will learn your trade and the world while keeping the family bond strong and reinforcing the importance of education. You see, you'll teach them to read much faster when you are driving 60 miles an hour and you need to know the time of your next appointment and what direction you should really be going on the highway.
Maybe employing our own children is the answer to allowing more flex time and true telecommuting.
That's not fair, drug dealers really don't hang out around schools like you see on TV.
Software & hardware companies on the other hand....
If this thing is handy...
How big are your hands?
Parents everywhere overreact, that story after the feature.
Google is reinventing the wheel on a platform that isn't nearly as conducive as Windows, X or OSX.
Then why did Microsoft kill Netscape?
The fact is, the browser can do it too. Microsoft made the mistake of thinking that they should kill the other browsers, really they should have killed other web sites! If you don't know what I mean, then you weren't alive in the 1990's...
I think it could be both Micro and Horny or Long and Soft....
nothing about these are exclusive, except you can't be SoftHorn, or rather Soft and Horny.