that was my point in "not as focused a userbase." so we're agreeing. But if there is a good userbase.
I bet some software development, server admin, or even office productivity software has enough of a base for some companies to look at this as a push to get them into the GNU/Linux business.
It seems a lot of people think that overtaking Mac is not a newsworthy feat. It is a huge deal.
They're not replacing Photoshop with Gimp, Quark with nothing, etc. But, if they have developed Photoshop for Mac, including MacOSX, then they now have a reason to develop it for GNU/Linux. This would be a reason for a lot of businesses to get into gear and start porting.
I am aware of all the reasons they might not -- different distros, harder to support, not as focused a userbase, etc. but at least the list no longer includes "it's not even as popular as Mac!"
I am still young -- but I'm not the 14 year-old that joined/. that would have done this.
This guy has to have some serious dough in the bank if he's willing to spend money like this. If he does, good for him. If I had 7k, however, I'd be putting it into a good stable mutual fund.
I won't do the math right now, as it is 0530 and I am not awake willingly, but if you put 7k into some good investment at a young age -- and I'm guessing this guy is still pretty young -- and continue to feed it over the years you can have a good chunk of money (with modest additions, somewhere in the 100s of thousands) when you retire (assuming 65, though retirement might be later when he's 65.)
If you start early it is actually pretty easy to life comfortably. I, personally, have greater ambitions than simply living comfortably -- I am still young enough to feel I have a world to change -- but I am hoping to have a decent standard of living while doing it. At least a decent standard of living for my family as I go out and do my 'stuff.'
Just my.02 on the "you sound like a father" argument. Then again, I think I've broken the record for number of times a nineteen year-old has been told he sounds like someones father.
My girlfriend goes there. I don't know if it is professor specific, or school wide. I know my school (University of Maryland's main campus, UM College Park,) doesn't have it. Or if it does it is professor specific because I've not heard about it.
I'm with you all the way -- I'll just go into more detail.
I am a liberal, but I believe in basic economic theory. (I say that because some people think that being liberal means that you do not believe that the economy works as others think it does.)
Another poster, when replying to your comment, said the they do not think that we should get rid of flush toilets and starve ourselves in order to compete. This is true -- that would be quite an extreme. We do need to start making some hard decision, though.
First -- we need to find what we can compete with. Computer Science isn't one of those things, unless we are talking about highly localized or highly advanced jobs. We still have the best school system in the country, for instance. A lot of our advantages stem from this.
I think that we should, we being the government, subsidize CS worker's reeducation into better fields, just as we should subsidize steel workers. Or, more practically, subsidize and promote the fields we still have an advantage in. It's just silly to see so many new CS graduates.
Secondly, we need to change how we live. While the other poster said we should help India raise it's cost of living -- that is a very long term project. Every educated population would have to reach our standard of living. That's not going to happen any time soon. It will likely neverh happen.
So while we shouldn't give up our ability to feed ourselves, we do need to start promoting more utilitarian living. Fewer cars of better quality so they last longer. In other words -- we need to find a way to make living on 20,000 a year reasonable. The government has to play a big part in this, because it is a hard sell and an open market will not embrace it.
This is where the economic rules stop working quite as well. We think of an economy as having to continually grow. Or at least that it is good if it is always growing. This is good for the people with the high education levels who can find those jobs America can do better, but it is awful for those who don't and can't.
As the world's economy becomes freer, and it is an inevitability (see below), more and more "mass produced" jobs will move overseas. This includes manufactering, programming, a lot of industry, to name a few.
But now it is 4am and I have a final exam tomorrow morning at 8. Feel free to email me about any of this -- I am only just starting to develop my own economic theories and would love to have some good criticism. It feels good to get some of it down on paper. I will make sure to read over this again tomorrow and see if I made any errors. Night!
(Even if we don't allow our own markets to work with the world's more freely, the rest of the world will continue to develop better free trade and will need fewer and fewer of our products. As we have learned from history, isolationism doesn't work. So that's not an option.)
I have them working -- and i also find it annoying that i can't make my/dev/sda ALWAYS be my camera and/dev/sdb always be my external drive. (you'd think there would be a way... i could grep the scsi bus... but i don't know how to make scsi0 be sda or anything else)
I did indeed forget that. Thank you for throwing that in. I might have been distracted. I originally wrote my message to say just what you said. Oh well.:)
The old mozilla that you know is going to be discontinued soon enough. Firebird and Thunderbird will be replacing it.
While mozilla is still being developed there is not too good of a reason to use FB/TB. You will not save much in terms of memory or gain much in terms of performance. That's okay though.
The purpose of this split is so people who _don't_ want both can have just one. These people will see a significant reduction in memory usage and gain in performance.
I assume that your comment is meant call gift-fasttrack "yet another kazza clone." It is not. What it IS is very worth your consideration.
GIFT (http://gift.sf.net) is now a wonderful program that connects to Fasttrack (kazaa,) the old fasttrack network (openfasttrack), the opennapster network (old napster), and gnutella. When you do a search in one of the gift frontends you do a search in all of those protocols.
The interfaces could use some polishing (i like giFTcurs the best), but I think gift has a tremendous amount of potential.
I know you're posting as a AC and you probably won't get this, but I will reply regardless.
My English is just fine, thank you. I am sorry that I did not proof read my message before I submitted it. The typo likely made my message hold considerably less weight than it would have otherwise. Thank you for pointing this out.
I think that you are wrong in saying that it is sad that people like me get to vote. You remind me of an old friend of mine. He felt that anyone who wasn't well read and well written was a fool. I could have said that he was a fool because he was not as well spoken as I was, or because he wasn't much of a programmer, or because he did not understand calculus, or because he had a weak grasp on the differences between the world's major religions and political philosophies. I could have said many things (for instance that he was a fool because he only spoke one language, or because he had not read much philosophy, or because he could not play the piano), but I did not. I respect most people and assume that they have something unique to offer the world.
I do wish that people would make as educated a decision as they can when voting, but I wouldn't dare restrict anyone from making their decision.
You engrish isn't so great, either, my friend. A comma should have been placed before "my boy." You also spoke of America as an entity that can make decisions. A more proper second sentence would have been, "What is sad is that in America people like you are allowed to vote." There are better sentences than that, but I don't want to add to or subtract from the content of yours.
Thank you for your help, Mr. Coward.
Feel free to laugh at me if I made a mistake in this post. I did not proof-read it.
Sorry --- that was poorly worded. I meant to say that if the filesystem changed on the device it wouldn't make using it harder to use on other OSs -- though it might not be easy to use it in such OSs. The point being that the software that you would need to install in windows to use the device could also install support for the filesystem being used and then it would be just as usable for all major OSs as it was before.
Oh yeah -- and my USB camera worked out of the box in GNU/Linux. (fortunately it worked as a usb-storage device. i know that most don't work that way, unfortunately.)
I didn't mean to be smug. I am sorry if I came off that way. I was simply trying to say that kids can do a lot. I didn't say I knew a lot of C, but I could write a program that could accept input and do something with it. (i.e. type in your name and password -- unencrypted.. or even hidden -- and it will say "hi username! glad to see you" or "sorry, wrong password" if it didn't match up. And no, I did not have the passwords stored in a database. It was a big "if" statement.
As for GNU/Linux, I installed in when I was 12, which would have been 1996, when RedHat 4.0 came out (towards the end of the year, if I remember correctly.) I used Red Hat until version 5.2. When I finally moved on from 5.2 I used many different distributions, most of which I'd only use for a few months, before settling down on Debian slink. I can't remember exactly when that happened. 1999/2000. From then I have slowly moved up the Debian line. Potato, then testing (woody) and then Sid. I've been on sid since then... Don't do updates daily though... there are times when things break too frequently. I have also stopped bothering to compile my own kernels.
Now as to how I got the CDs... I grew up in China. As many people know there is a lot of pirated software in China. This was great for me -- it allowed me to play around with software that few people ever get to use because of the prohibitive costs at a very early age. I had also used photoshop (versions 3 and 4 before I went single boot GNU/Linux in 1999.) This is also where I got Borland C.
As I got more and more into the Free Software philosophy I stopped using Windows and the pirated Windows software I had been using. By that time there were GNU/Linux alternatives for just about everything. I used netscape 4 for GNU/Linux in those days, and then Mozilla at about.6. I used wordperfect for linux for a little while, but got off of that too as the software improved and I weaned myself off of non-free software completely.
But hey -- I loved computers. I build my own 486/100 (pentium clone... k6 i think. whatever the name was.) Continued to build my own until I got my laptop. When I was 15 I was working at the U.S. Consulate in Chengdu, China as an assistant systems administrator.
I don't think any of these things are special -- though certainly the opportunities I had were unique. I am only replying because I only stand being called a bullshitter when I am bullshitting.
I have met former President George Bush, the current President Bush, Clinton and his family twice, Gore, and several other politicians who were in the White House (Powell, etc.)
President Bush struck me too. Though he did not come as being literate, considerate, or lucid. No, he was not a FOOL, but he did not impress me. When he spoke about topics of his own interest he was comprehensible, but when the questions strayed away from what he was comfortable with he seemed much less knowledgable.
I am a moderate liberal, so I had known when he entered the room that I would not agree with his policies. His father was a Republican as well, however, and I did get the same feeling from him.
I grew up in China and in other countries around the world, so I don't have the same "ah -- a good ol' American" feeling about him that some seem to have. My upbringing has also given me a better understanding of how the rest of the world sees us, however. Many foreign cultures base their measures of people on how respectful they are. I get not get the feeling that he was a very respectful person.
Maybe his condescention grew while he was in office.
I doubt it. Devices can be just as easily used in other OSs with other filesystems.
And the "buy it blank and format it yourself" theory only works for things like USB drives. It's not as easy to format other devices -- like a PDA or any other device that has to come with some amount of software already installed.
Indeed the web was in popular use when I was 11. That would have been 1995. I also switch myself over to using GNU/Linux that year.
Eleven year-olds can do just about anything. My girlfriend has a nine year old in her calc class. That might be a little much... meaning there might be a physical beneficial abnormality helping him out. A friend of mine has a brother in the third grade who has can talk to be about base 2, 10, and 13, though.
Certainly you have to present the material in the right way, but I would say that an interested eleven year-old can do just about anything.
When I was 11 I was already familiar with many WYSIWYG editors. I had moved on to doing HTML and Javascript coding. I knew some basic C. I had taught it all to myself because I was interested in it.
If I had only been interested in the content then I probably would have been satisfied with a WYSIWYG editor.
So figure out what her interest(s) is/are. If she wanted to know how to do web development, then let her start poking at teach yourself HTML guides online while she plays with some WYSIWYG editor. If she is only interested in publishing, however, then have her start planning what she would like her site to look like, have her start writing the meat of what will be on the site, and then teach her the basics of a WYSIWYG editor.
If she wants to have embedded blogs, then it's time to at least teach her the basics of the web and of HTML, PHP, Perl, or whatever else might be included in the blog software.
Sorry I can't give you a better answer. I can only say, "it depends on her interests."
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Partly because it will be my 10 year anniversary of using GNU/Linux... but practically, too.
I can't really put my finger on just why that year sticks out, but it does. I suspect that it will take a year+ for 2.6 to mature/be accepted to the point where most major distros are shipping it and most howtos are being written for it. I also suspect that both GNOME and KDE will reach another major version by 2006 (haven't checked their road maps... just hoping.) I also hope that device support will continue to grow as it has, configuration tools will mature more, and the "your mama" test will be more easily passed. I doubt all that will happen in the next twelve months.
As for what I think COULD happen? I think a major U.S. gov't agency could start putting GNU/Linux into major use. I think we will see a lot more adoption abroad. Maybe even a first world national government promoting it in some way. I understand GNU/Linux desktop usage will top Mac desktop usage (was a/. article on that before.. that or linuxworld.com)...
Now I'm just rambling. This made very little sense. sorry. It is 2:30 AM EST... I'm going to bed.
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that was my point in "not as focused a userbase." so we're agreeing. But if there is a good userbase.
I bet some software development, server admin, or even office productivity software has enough of a base for some companies to look at this as a push to get them into the GNU/Linux business.
I think IDC is a better source than google for many reasons.
It seems a lot of people think that overtaking Mac is not a newsworthy feat. It is a huge deal.
They're not replacing Photoshop with Gimp, Quark with nothing, etc. But, if they have developed Photoshop for Mac, including MacOSX, then they now have a reason to develop it for GNU/Linux. This would be a reason for a lot of businesses to get into gear and start porting.
I am aware of all the reasons they might not -- different distros, harder to support, not as focused a userbase, etc. but at least the list no longer includes "it's not even as popular as Mac!"
I got the same reply when I wrote my letter. I replied to the reply and didn't get anything.
I am still young -- but I'm not the 14 year-old that joined /. that would have done this.
.02 on the "you sound like a father" argument. Then again, I think I've broken the record for number of times a nineteen year-old has been told he sounds like someones father.
This guy has to have some serious dough in the bank if he's willing to spend money like this. If he does, good for him. If I had 7k, however, I'd be putting it into a good stable mutual fund.
I won't do the math right now, as it is 0530 and I am not awake willingly, but if you put 7k into some good investment at a young age -- and I'm guessing this guy is still pretty young -- and continue to feed it over the years you can have a good chunk of money (with modest additions, somewhere in the 100s of thousands) when you retire (assuming 65, though retirement might be later when he's 65.)
If you start early it is actually pretty easy to life comfortably. I, personally, have greater ambitions than simply living comfortably -- I am still young enough to feel I have a world to change -- but I am hoping to have a decent standard of living while doing it. At least a decent standard of living for my family as I go out and do my 'stuff.'
Just my
UMBC -- University of Maryland, Baltimore County.
My girlfriend goes there. I don't know if it is professor specific, or school wide. I know my school (University of Maryland's main campus, UM College Park,) doesn't have it. Or if it does it is professor specific because I've not heard about it.
Running Water Without Updates (RWWU)... Sounds like Debian to me....
This is because the gstreamer-oss plugin sucks. If you use alsa or fix the plugin you will have no skips.
I'm with you all the way -- I'll just go into more detail.
I am a liberal, but I believe in basic economic theory. (I say that because some people think that being liberal means that you do not believe that the economy works as others think it does.)
Another poster, when replying to your comment, said the they do not think that we should get rid of flush toilets and starve ourselves in order to compete. This is true -- that would be quite an extreme. We do need to start making some hard decision, though.
First -- we need to find what we can compete with. Computer Science isn't one of those things, unless we are talking about highly localized or highly advanced jobs. We still have the best school system in the country, for instance. A lot of our advantages stem from this.
I think that we should, we being the government, subsidize CS worker's reeducation into better fields, just as we should subsidize steel workers. Or, more practically, subsidize and promote the fields we still have an advantage in. It's just silly to see so many new CS graduates.
Secondly, we need to change how we live. While the other poster said we should help India raise it's cost of living -- that is a very long term project. Every educated population would have to reach our standard of living. That's not going to happen any time soon. It will likely neverh happen.
So while we shouldn't give up our ability to feed ourselves, we do need to start promoting more utilitarian living. Fewer cars of better quality so they last longer. In other words -- we need to find a way to make living on 20,000 a year reasonable. The government has to play a big part in this, because it is a hard sell and an open market will not embrace it.
This is where the economic rules stop working quite as well. We think of an economy as having to continually grow. Or at least that it is good if it is always growing. This is good for the people with the high education levels who can find those jobs America can do better, but it is awful for those who don't and can't.
As the world's economy becomes freer, and it is an inevitability (see below), more and more "mass produced" jobs will move overseas. This includes manufactering, programming, a lot of industry, to name a few.
But now it is 4am and I have a final exam tomorrow morning at 8. Feel free to email me about any of this -- I am only just starting to develop my own economic theories and would love to have some good criticism. It feels good to get some of it down on paper. I will make sure to read over this again tomorrow and see if I made any errors. Night!
(Even if we don't allow our own markets to work with the world's more freely, the rest of the world will continue to develop better free trade and will need fewer and fewer of our products. As we have learned from history, isolationism doesn't work. So that's not an option.)
I have them working -- and i also find it annoying that i can't make my /dev/sda ALWAYS be my camera and /dev/sdb always be my external drive. (you'd think there would be a way... i could grep the scsi bus... but i don't know how to make scsi0 be sda or anything else)
One -- I didn't know usb storage used ide-scsi. Stupid me.
Second -- What is the "good" way for me to get my usb-storage digital camera to work? Or for that matter my USB harddrive?
Woe is me!
It means they wanted him to pay again -- sort of like a punishment.
very funny... i only meant technologically.
i am a independent artist and i keep my music shared on as many networks as I can. gift is perfect for me.
I also ask all of my friends to keep my music shared on their systems, if they use p2p.
Thanks -- looking into it.
OpenFT sometimes takes a while to connect. You can't just hop on. i don't know why. it usually connects eventually for me though.
I did indeed forget that. Thank you for throwing that in. I might have been distracted. I originally wrote my message to say just what you said. Oh well. :)
The answer is simple.
The old mozilla that you know is going to be discontinued soon enough. Firebird and Thunderbird will be replacing it.
While mozilla is still being developed there is not too good of a reason to use FB/TB. You will not save much in terms of memory or gain much in terms of performance. That's okay though.
The purpose of this split is so people who _don't_ want both can have just one. These people will see a significant reduction in memory usage and gain in performance.
I assume that your comment is meant call gift-fasttrack "yet another kazza clone." It is not. What it IS is very worth your consideration.
GIFT (http://gift.sf.net) is now a wonderful program that connects to Fasttrack (kazaa,) the old fasttrack network (openfasttrack), the opennapster network (old napster), and gnutella. When you do a search in one of the gift frontends you do a search in all of those protocols.
The interfaces could use some polishing (i like giFTcurs the best), but I think gift has a tremendous amount of potential.
I know you're posting as a AC and you probably won't get this, but I will reply regardless.
My English is just fine, thank you. I am sorry that I did not proof read my message before I submitted it. The typo likely made my message hold considerably less weight than it would have otherwise. Thank you for pointing this out.
I think that you are wrong in saying that it is sad that people like me get to vote. You remind me of an old friend of mine. He felt that anyone who wasn't well read and well written was a fool. I could have said that he was a fool because he was not as well spoken as I was, or because he wasn't much of a programmer, or because he did not understand calculus, or because he had a weak grasp on the differences between the world's major religions and political philosophies. I could have said many things (for instance that he was a fool because he only spoke one language, or because he had not read much philosophy, or because he could not play the piano), but I did not. I respect most people and assume that they have something unique to offer the world.
I do wish that people would make as educated a decision as they can when voting, but I wouldn't dare restrict anyone from making their decision.
You engrish isn't so great, either, my friend. A comma should have been placed before "my boy." You also spoke of America as an entity that can make decisions. A more proper second sentence would have been, "What is sad is that in America people like you are allowed to vote." There are better sentences than that, but I don't want to add to or subtract from the content of yours.
Thank you for your help, Mr. Coward.
Feel free to laugh at me if I made a mistake in this post. I did not proof-read it.
Sorry --- that was poorly worded. I meant to say that if the filesystem changed on the device it wouldn't make using it harder to use on other OSs -- though it might not be easy to use it in such OSs. The point being that the software that you would need to install in windows to use the device could also install support for the filesystem being used and then it would be just as usable for all major OSs as it was before.
Oh yeah -- and my USB camera worked out of the box in GNU/Linux. (fortunately it worked as a usb-storage device. i know that most don't work that way, unfortunately.)
Um... A couple of things.
.6. I used wordperfect for linux for a little while, but got off of that too as the software improved and I weaned myself off of non-free software completely.
I didn't mean to be smug. I am sorry if I came off that way. I was simply trying to say that kids can do a lot. I didn't say I knew a lot of C, but I could write a program that could accept input and do something with it. (i.e. type in your name and password -- unencrypted.. or even hidden -- and it will say "hi username! glad to see you" or "sorry, wrong password" if it didn't match up. And no, I did not have the passwords stored in a database. It was a big "if" statement.
As for GNU/Linux, I installed in when I was 12, which would have been 1996, when RedHat 4.0 came out (towards the end of the year, if I remember correctly.) I used Red Hat until version 5.2. When I finally moved on from 5.2 I used many different distributions, most of which I'd only use for a few months, before settling down on Debian slink. I can't remember exactly when that happened. 1999/2000. From then I have slowly moved up the Debian line. Potato, then testing (woody) and then Sid. I've been on sid since then... Don't do updates daily though... there are times when things break too frequently. I have also stopped bothering to compile my own kernels.
Now as to how I got the CDs... I grew up in China. As many people know there is a lot of pirated software in China. This was great for me -- it allowed me to play around with software that few people ever get to use because of the prohibitive costs at a very early age. I had also used photoshop (versions 3 and 4 before I went single boot GNU/Linux in 1999.) This is also where I got Borland C.
As I got more and more into the Free Software philosophy I stopped using Windows and the pirated Windows software I had been using. By that time there were GNU/Linux alternatives for just about everything. I used netscape 4 for GNU/Linux in those days, and then Mozilla at about
But hey -- I loved computers. I build my own 486/100 (pentium clone... k6 i think. whatever the name was.) Continued to build my own until I got my laptop. When I was 15 I was working at the U.S. Consulate in Chengdu, China as an assistant systems administrator.
I don't think any of these things are special -- though certainly the opportunities I had were unique. I am only replying because I only stand being called a bullshitter when I am bullshitting.
Weren't you good at something when you were 11?
Interesting. I had the opposite experience.
I have met former President George Bush, the current President Bush, Clinton and his family twice, Gore, and several other politicians who were in the White House (Powell, etc.)
President Bush struck me too. Though he did not come as being literate, considerate, or lucid. No, he was not a FOOL, but he did not impress me. When he spoke about topics of his own interest he was comprehensible, but when the questions strayed away from what he was comfortable with he seemed much less knowledgable.
I am a moderate liberal, so I had known when he entered the room that I would not agree with his policies. His father was a Republican as well, however, and I did get the same feeling from him.
I grew up in China and in other countries around the world, so I don't have the same "ah -- a good ol' American" feeling about him that some seem to have. My upbringing has also given me a better understanding of how the rest of the world sees us, however. Many foreign cultures base their measures of people on how respectful they are. I get not get the feeling that he was a very respectful person.
Maybe his condescention grew while he was in office.
I doubt it. Devices can be just as easily used in other OSs with other filesystems.
And the "buy it blank and format it yourself" theory only works for things like USB drives. It's not as easy to format other devices -- like a PDA or any other device that has to come with some amount of software already installed.
Indeed the web was in popular use when I was 11. That would have been 1995. I also switch myself over to using GNU/Linux that year.
Eleven year-olds can do just about anything. My girlfriend has a nine year old in her calc class. That might be a little much... meaning there might be a physical beneficial abnormality helping him out. A friend of mine has a brother in the third grade who has can talk to be about base 2, 10, and 13, though.
Certainly you have to present the material in the right way, but I would say that an interested eleven year-old can do just about anything.
When I was 11 I was already familiar with many WYSIWYG editors. I had moved on to doing HTML and Javascript coding. I knew some basic C. I had taught it all to myself because I was interested in it.
If I had only been interested in the content then I probably would have been satisfied with a WYSIWYG editor.
So figure out what her interest(s) is/are. If she wanted to know how to do web development, then let her start poking at teach yourself HTML guides online while she plays with some WYSIWYG editor. If she is only interested in publishing, however, then have her start planning what she would like her site to look like, have her start writing the meat of what will be on the site, and then teach her the basics of a WYSIWYG editor.
If she wants to have embedded blogs, then it's time to at least teach her the basics of the web and of HTML, PHP, Perl, or whatever else might be included in the blog software.
Sorry I can't give you a better answer. I can only say, "it depends on her interests."
Partly because it will be my 10 year anniversary of using GNU/Linux... but practically, too.
/. article on that before.. that or linuxworld.com)...
I can't really put my finger on just why that year sticks out, but it does. I suspect that it will take a year+ for 2.6 to mature/be accepted to the point where most major distros are shipping it and most howtos are being written for it. I also suspect that both GNOME and KDE will reach another major version by 2006 (haven't checked their road maps... just hoping.) I also hope that device support will continue to grow as it has, configuration tools will mature more, and the "your mama" test will be more easily passed. I doubt all that will happen in the next twelve months.
As for what I think COULD happen? I think a major U.S. gov't agency could start putting GNU/Linux into major use. I think we will see a lot more adoption abroad. Maybe even a first world national government promoting it in some way. I understand GNU/Linux desktop usage will top Mac desktop usage (was a
Now I'm just rambling. This made very little sense. sorry. It is 2:30 AM EST... I'm going to bed.