Yeah, but he said he didn't care about the ppl at work (or what they thought about thim)-- which seems to indicate he doesn't care much about ppl in general.
but you're right -- it's best to be clear when responding to someone.
Is your life's end-goal really money? Or do you want money so you can spend more time with your family? Or what?
If it is in any way people-oriented, why can't that include people at work?
Obviously we need money to pay the bills and to live, but what's money if it isn't to free you so you can enjoy the truly pleasureable things in life? Just seems like an odd priority.
I'm a little confused... my post didn't say when they were releasing their next version. (I checked my post -- just said i thought it'd be in the next version.)
Unless GNOME isn't going to be released with Ubuntu. I know the last releases matched, and I thought both were on 6-month schedules...
Hmm.. I disagree. First a disclaimer: I am working on a very poor memory -- beagle might not be included at all.
But I have been using beagle on my ubuntu machine using breezy backports. Ubuntu maintains its packages well -- I have not had beagle break at all over the past couple of months of using it. Setting it up to start when I start gnome has been the only kind of work I've had to do.
I'll admit, though, that the search is still fairly slow and not great at finding what I need. I am using version 0.11 though.
So I think that stability won't be the issue. The package in ubuntu will be well maintained. I just hope it speeds up a bit. And I wouldn't mind some search tips to help me find my data more easily -- especially an easy-to-find help button explaining precisely what beagle can and can't search.
My first reaction is "then they better start releasing major kernel versions more frequently. I'm not trying to wait two years for each significant update. But then I started thinking. I have a couple of comments.
1) Is the driver system in linux mature enough that it is ABI-stable? Do you need to continue to have that many features added if drivers can be added easily by distros?
2) What features are still being added to the kernel that aren't drivers? Are they that exciting that you can't wait.
3) Will it really be good for distros to be doing development on the stable branch for stuff that won't get into the offical kernel until the next stable version? All the software is being developed on a platform that it won't ever officially be on.
_that's_ a good point. China's legal infrastructure isn't nearly as established as the U.S.'s is.
Which is why (maybe not in this thread, I don't remember) I said that it wasn't about the Chinese people -- it was about the state of development of their economy. The U.S. had just as many "cheats" when were at the same level of development.
I wasn't an English teacher though -- I was a student, and a system's admin, and even a model. But not an English teacher.
I tried VERY hard to embed myself into the culture though. Had a great time -- fell in love with the place. I even earned the honorary title, "zhongguotong."
but they provided education like no one else would have. you have to give them credit for that. would you rather have the chinese continue under the subjugation of foreign governments like they did for hundreds of years?
If chinese culture "holds education dear and promotes getting as much of it as possible", then why is the Communist Party a "godsend" for the education of the Chinese people?
because education wasn't free or available to the public until the chinese eliminated the classes that exist in china previously.
a people can admire something without being able to ever have a chance at it.
sure -- but i was just trying to illustrate the point. but allowing slavery is in there (some would say worse than death), murduring millions of indians, etc all taint our country's roots.
does china need to improve? absolutely. all i'm saying is that there are constructive ways of change, and self-destructive ways.
Well -- you could have had the other option. You could have had the nationalists win. did they unbind women's feet? no. did they insist on a classless soceity? no. would they have provided any hope for a modern state? no.
again -- democracy doesn't work until the democratic norms have been established. I'm not saying the chinese government will necessarily do that -- but i object to anyone preaching the gospel of democracy without first finding a way to establish those norms.
as for tiananmen and the cultural revolution -- both were unfortunate. But you take the bad with the good. Would you rather our founding fathers been rejected because samuel adams tarred and feathered british loyalists and paraded them around? i wouldn't -- i would rather samuel adams hadn't done that, but i know we wouldn't be where we were if we had said, "f*ck that -- i don't want no stinking founding fathers that would tar and feather ppl who disagreed with them."
The Chinese have nothing of the sort - they just want to get ahead, and they will cheerfully screw you over, even when you're sure to discover it.
That's quite a generalization to make.
I spent 7 years in China -- I was never "screwed." I've been screwed by American businesses, though -- but I don't assume all Americans are corrupt and manipulative.
China is like ebay -- it is a developing economy where little is established, including oversight.
that happens in any economy. china might be slightly worse because there was (and is, though less now) a lot of corruption in the government and in the government-sponsored industries.
But were things any different when America had an undeveloped economy 100 years ago? Even today there are plenty of illegitimate companies. I have worked for the U.S. commercial service and plenty of U.S. companies have exported products to the country I was based that were defective or took the payment then ran. It's an embarassment -- and I'm stuck trying to convince the foreign importer that he should still try to buy U.S. exports...
It's just exploiting cheap labour and nothing short of a revolution will make things change for them.
As a sinologist and former resident of China, I disagree whole-heartedly.
You have to remember -- when considering education for the Chinese people, the Communist Party has been a godsend. Under the communist government literacy has increased over a thousand percent.
Chinese culture, as the father of all East Asian cultures, holds education dear and promotes getting as much of it as possible. Their college system is still sub-par when compared to the rest of the world, and when compared to S. Korea or Japan, but it is rapidly improving. Their top schools compete with the world's top schools. Their local schools have been providing valuable training in business management, among other skills, that have allowed the Chinese economy to boom as it has been booming.
And that won't stop. In 50 years they will no longer be the cheap-labor capital of the world, because they will have raised the education bar to a level much higher than it is.
Only then will "revolution" make any sense. Anything before then will just put in a government that is MUCH worse than the current government.
If you want to understand a country's progression towards democracy, you should read books on international development -- especially "second track" or "citizens" diplomacy. The leaders in that field have studied successful migrations to democracy and have learned that democracy fails when "democratic norms" are not in place. Those include education and an entrepreneurial-type business culture (and a stable economy that isn't dependent on the government), among other things.
Until those democratic norms have been established, any democracy would collapse.
Look at Taiwan -- they were a military dictatorship until 1988, and the people who fled to Taiwan had, on average, very high education levels. Even then it took 40 years to bring democracy.
Look at Russia -- Putin is getting more and more powerful, and the people support him. Why? Because they would rather have a burgeoning economy and stability than have democracy.
Shouldn't it give us some useful information (since this is for the elderly) like "allowed man who had been stuck in bed for 6 months due to the weakness of his muscles work in the kitchen and make himself breakfast?"
What does it matter how much it can help a healthy person?
How has YOUR LIFE been effected by the Patriot Act?? I don't want to hear your wild insane "Bush can knock down my door without a warrant" theories, I want to know how YOU have been negatively effected by the patriot act.
That's like saying you can't complain about a law allowing rape until your wife or daughter (or yourself) are raped.
That's like saying that most of what all oppressive dictatorships do is okay. After all, for mr. farmer in rural sudan or china (where i grew up) they're doing the same thing they'd be doing under any government, especially when it comes to "rights-limiting" laws.
And, tell me, why should anyone be treated any differently by the government because they wear a turbin to work?
So I won't even answer the question -- because if that becomes the standard then only the oppressed can complain while the rest of us must either live in ignorance or live in silence.
This might shock you, but where I live this have already started to happen. The public libraries are spreading their filthy swedish propaganda; almost all the books are in swedish now. And there's nothing the government can do to stop it. That is, without the Patriot Act. So support the Patriot Act and free us from the swedish menace!
You think that's bad? In my town (pop. 832) our entire collection is worthless. I just moved here, but I keep hearing, "Other than the kiddie's books, the whole collection is in Greek."
I haven't actually been in the library yet, but I walk by it everyday. One day I heard someone complaining on their way out, "Who is this shake-a-spear, some African tribal king? Why the hell do I want tribal books in my library? Do I speak African? Do I run around showing the world my bum? It's ungodly!"
Another person said, "Poll-eye-ticks? That's disgusting. Why would I want to read about eye ticks?"
Though, come to think of it, I don't even know if anyone in this town could differentiate Greek from any other language if they tried...
I'm surprised they haven't deployed water cannons over there - those would seem to be infinitely less lethal than machine-guns or even this microwave laser they're proposing. However, given the heatwaves and lack of electricity for cooling, there's a danger people would riot just to cool down.
Good post, but I had to laugh at this. There is no way they could come up with enough spare water to stop any real riots for any worthwhile length of time. I doubt, seriously, that the fire departments are even close to running with "standard" levels of reserve water.
because DEB ppl think that dpkg/apt-get is better and RPM is the status quo.
about both of them would have to put in a lot of work into implementing autopackage as a default and both of them have a userbase that is very used to what they already have.
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Yeah, but he said he didn't care about the ppl at work (or what they thought about thim)-- which seems to indicate he doesn't care much about ppl in general.
but you're right -- it's best to be clear when responding to someone.
You don't think that is an unfulfilling attitude?
Is your life's end-goal really money? Or do you want money so you can spend more time with your family? Or what?
If it is in any way people-oriented, why can't that include people at work?
Obviously we need money to pay the bills and to live, but what's money if it isn't to free you so you can enjoy the truly pleasureable things in life? Just seems like an odd priority.
It isn't exactly a dupe -- but hasn't this been covered already, sometime in the decades we've been writing code?
Or did we really wait 30-40 years to bother to write up something on how to comment?
I'm a little confused... my post didn't say when they were releasing their next version. (I checked my post -- just said i thought it'd be in the next version.)
Unless GNOME isn't going to be released with Ubuntu. I know the last releases matched, and I thought both were on 6-month schedules...
Hmm.. I disagree. First a disclaimer: I am working on a very poor memory -- beagle might not be included at all.
But I have been using beagle on my ubuntu machine using breezy backports. Ubuntu maintains its packages well -- I have not had beagle break at all over the past couple of months of using it. Setting it up to start when I start gnome has been the only kind of work I've had to do.
I'll admit, though, that the search is still fairly slow and not great at finding what I need. I am using version 0.11 though.
So I think that stability won't be the issue. The package in ubuntu will be well maintained. I just hope it speeds up a bit. And I wouldn't mind some search tips to help me find my data more easily -- especially an easy-to-find help button explaining precisely what beagle can and can't search.
I understand that Ubuntu will have it included by default in their next release (which will probably be on the same day as the release of GNOME.)
My first reaction is "then they better start releasing major kernel versions more frequently. I'm not trying to wait two years for each significant update. But then I started thinking. I have a couple of comments.
1) Is the driver system in linux mature enough that it is ABI-stable? Do you need to continue to have that many features added if drivers can be added easily by distros?
2) What features are still being added to the kernel that aren't drivers? Are they that exciting that you can't wait.
3) Will it really be good for distros to be doing development on the stable branch for stuff that won't get into the offical kernel until the next stable version? All the software is being developed on a platform that it won't ever officially be on.
_that's_ a good point. China's legal infrastructure isn't nearly as established as the U.S.'s is.
Which is why (maybe not in this thread, I don't remember) I said that it wasn't about the Chinese people -- it was about the state of development of their economy. The U.S. had just as many "cheats" when were at the same level of development.
I wasn't an English teacher though -- I was a student, and a system's admin, and even a model. But not an English teacher.
I tried VERY hard to embed myself into the culture though. Had a great time -- fell in love with the place. I even earned the honorary title, "zhongguotong."
Where were you located there? What industry?
an increase of over 1000% means 10x.
but i'm american -- white american.
but they provided education like no one else would have. you have to give them credit for that. would you rather have the chinese continue under the subjugation of foreign governments like they did for hundreds of years?
If chinese culture "holds education dear and promotes getting as much of it as possible", then why is the Communist Party a "godsend" for the education of the Chinese people?
because education wasn't free or available to the public until the chinese eliminated the classes that exist in china previously.
a people can admire something without being able to ever have a chance at it.
sure -- but i was just trying to illustrate the point. but allowing slavery is in there (some would say worse than death), murduring millions of indians, etc all taint our country's roots.
does china need to improve? absolutely. all i'm saying is that there are constructive ways of change, and self-destructive ways.
Well -- you could have had the other option. You could have had the nationalists win. did they unbind women's feet? no. did they insist on a classless soceity? no. would they have provided any hope for a modern state? no.
again -- democracy doesn't work until the democratic norms have been established. I'm not saying the chinese government will necessarily do that -- but i object to anyone preaching the gospel of democracy without first finding a way to establish those norms.
as for tiananmen and the cultural revolution -- both were unfortunate. But you take the bad with the good. Would you rather our founding fathers been rejected because samuel adams tarred and feathered british loyalists and paraded them around? i wouldn't -- i would rather samuel adams hadn't done that, but i know we wouldn't be where we were if we had said, "f*ck that -- i don't want no stinking founding fathers that would tar and feather ppl who disagreed with them."
The Chinese have nothing of the sort - they just want to get ahead, and they will cheerfully screw you over, even when you're sure to discover it.
That's quite a generalization to make.
I spent 7 years in China -- I was never "screwed." I've been screwed by American businesses, though -- but I don't assume all Americans are corrupt and manipulative.
China is like ebay -- it is a developing economy where little is established, including oversight.
that happens in any economy. china might be slightly worse because there was (and is, though less now) a lot of corruption in the government and in the government-sponsored industries.
But were things any different when America had an undeveloped economy 100 years ago? Even today there are plenty of illegitimate companies. I have worked for the U.S. commercial service and plenty of U.S. companies have exported products to the country I was based that were defective or took the payment then ran. It's an embarassment -- and I'm stuck trying to convince the foreign importer that he should still try to buy U.S. exports...
It's just exploiting cheap labour and nothing short of a revolution will make things change for them.
As a sinologist and former resident of China, I disagree whole-heartedly.
You have to remember -- when considering education for the Chinese people, the Communist Party has been a godsend. Under the communist government literacy has increased over a thousand percent.
Chinese culture, as the father of all East Asian cultures, holds education dear and promotes getting as much of it as possible. Their college system is still sub-par when compared to the rest of the world, and when compared to S. Korea or Japan, but it is rapidly improving. Their top schools compete with the world's top schools. Their local schools have been providing valuable training in business management, among other skills, that have allowed the Chinese economy to boom as it has been booming.
And that won't stop. In 50 years they will no longer be the cheap-labor capital of the world, because they will have raised the education bar to a level much higher than it is.
Only then will "revolution" make any sense. Anything before then will just put in a government that is MUCH worse than the current government.
If you want to understand a country's progression towards democracy, you should read books on international development -- especially "second track" or "citizens" diplomacy. The leaders in that field have studied successful migrations to democracy and have learned that democracy fails when "democratic norms" are not in place. Those include education and an entrepreneurial-type business culture (and a stable economy that isn't dependent on the government), among other things.
Until those democratic norms have been established, any democracy would collapse.
Look at Taiwan -- they were a military dictatorship until 1988, and the people who fled to Taiwan had, on average, very high education levels. Even then it took 40 years to bring democracy.
Look at Russia -- Putin is getting more and more powerful, and the people support him. Why? Because they would rather have a burgeoning economy and stability than have democracy.
Shouldn't it give us some useful information (since this is for the elderly) like "allowed man who had been stuck in bed for 6 months due to the weakness of his muscles work in the kitchen and make himself breakfast?"
What does it matter how much it can help a healthy person?
Hah. Didn't even realize. I just typed what the GP had typed. I meant turban, of course.
A turbine would indeed be interesting...
How has YOUR LIFE been effected by the Patriot Act?? I don't want to hear your wild insane "Bush can knock down my door without a warrant" theories, I want to know how YOU have been negatively effected by the patriot act.
That's like saying you can't complain about a law allowing rape until your wife or daughter (or yourself) are raped.
That's like saying that most of what all oppressive dictatorships do is okay. After all, for mr. farmer in rural sudan or china (where i grew up) they're doing the same thing they'd be doing under any government, especially when it comes to "rights-limiting" laws.
And, tell me, why should anyone be treated any differently by the government because they wear a turbin to work?
So I won't even answer the question -- because if that becomes the standard then only the oppressed can complain while the rest of us must either live in ignorance or live in silence.
The sadest part is that this isn't an AC troll...
This might shock you, but where I live this have already started to happen. The public libraries are spreading their filthy swedish propaganda; almost all the books are in swedish now. And there's nothing the government can do to stop it. That is, without the Patriot Act. So support the Patriot Act and free us from the swedish menace!
You think that's bad? In my town (pop. 832) our entire collection is worthless. I just moved here, but I keep hearing, "Other than the kiddie's books, the whole collection is in Greek."
I haven't actually been in the library yet, but I walk by it everyday. One day I heard someone complaining on their way out, "Who is this shake-a-spear, some African tribal king? Why the hell do I want tribal books in my library? Do I speak African? Do I run around showing the world my bum? It's ungodly!"
Another person said, "Poll-eye-ticks? That's disgusting. Why would I want to read about eye ticks?"
Though, come to think of it, I don't even know if anyone in this town could differentiate Greek from any other language if they tried...
The Dell dude doesn't count?
I'm surprised they haven't deployed water cannons over there - those would seem to be infinitely less lethal than machine-guns or even this microwave laser they're proposing. However, given the heatwaves and lack of electricity for cooling, there's a danger people would riot just to cool down.
Good post, but I had to laugh at this. There is no way they could come up with enough spare water to stop any real riots for any worthwhile length of time. I doubt, seriously, that the fire departments are even close to running with "standard" levels of reserve water.
Dogs? Cats? Cows? Sheep? We've been doing it to pets for millenia, and it has not been harmful (at least not always).
Not harmful?
Look at german shepards -- most are crippled in old age thanks to excessive breeding.
you think that's bad?
my commute was uphill BOTH WAYS!
hah. i feel sorry for anyone who runs that while they're in the middle of something important or that is unsaved.
i ran it after closing everything down. sure enough, my system was stopped within minutes. I couldn't kill it.
and what's ulimit? i don't have that installed. and apt-cache search ulimit didn't give me anything.
bash$ :(){ :|:&};:
what does that bash line do?
because DEB ppl think that dpkg/apt-get is better and RPM is the status quo.
about both of them would have to put in a lot of work into implementing autopackage as a default and both of them have a userbase that is very used to what they already have.