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White Lies Help Stressed Computer Users

An anonymous reader writes "Simple tricks allow one to appear to be hard at work in the office while actually forwarding calls, e-mails and instant messages to your mobile phone. One can backdate e-mails through rolling back a computer's built-in clock or use background phone noises to concoct convincing excuses not to go to work."

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  1. WHA?! by b0bx13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    People are lazy?!

    1. Re:WHA?! by guzugi · · Score: 1

      maybe so. but they like to work, right?

    2. Re:WHA?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no, people are lazy, they just like to collect a paycheck. Sometimes I think people work harder at not working then actually doing the work.

    3. Re:WHA?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ys.

    4. Re:WHA?! by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      I am probably the best employee at where I work at the current moment. And I find myself getting done with all my projects + my daily work way ahead of time by busting my ass the first few hours while I'm their. I actually ask my boss for work that needs to be done or take it upon myself to do work that wasnt required of me. I see people everyday that spend most of their time actually trying to look like their working. I have done that quite a few times when I wasnt feeling so well or just plain tired. Its actually harder to make it look like your doing work than it is to actually do it. Everyday that you put off doing your actual work is a day later that you will have to work 2x as hard.

    5. Re:WHA?! by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you're on the road to a rough burnout in a couple of years.

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    6. Re:WHA?! by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      I made the mistake of being a systems administrator for a fledgling webhosting startup. Bad move for me. Got paid next to nothing, worked 90 hour weeks. Even had to do my job + sales + support. One man systems administrator for over 120 dedicated servers with around 700 clients. Sucked when your the only support and everything including the company is riding on your back. Needless to say after I finally quit the company, 4 weeks later the company died and make quite a big fuss over at www.webhostingtalk.com

      I never touched a tangible paycheck while working their.

      I will work hard at a job, but never again will I burn myself out like I did with that job.

  2. How to use this to make workers look bad by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stuff like this could become the first direction all fingers point when a company goes down.

    So much for it being because a company's product got beaten out by a competitor, or because its leadership embezzled it into the ground, or creative accounting.

    Everyone now will be looking for the back office Richard Pryor type (I forgot the name of the movie) as a scapegoat.

    American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you) while statistics show them to be among the most productive (overall, if not per hour). If we're such collective goof offs then why are we so productive?

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    1. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by dakkon1024 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      America is hated, like bill gates it hated. The further you climb, the bigger the magnifying glass gets.

    2. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Travoltus · · Score: 1

      We're more than Bill Gates. We're more than Bush.

      As an American I apologize for both of them.

      Oh, and Linus is from Finland but he came to America. *grin* We're DEFINITELY proud of him! And Richard Stallman, too :)

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    3. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in my country we call this tall poppy syndrome.

    4. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you) while statistics show them to be among the most productive (overall, if not per hour). If we're such collective goof offs then why are we so productive?

      If America is so productive, why does it have such an enormous balance of trade deficit?

    5. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by kryten_nl · · Score: 4, Informative
      Everyone now will be looking for the back office Richard Pryor type (I forgot the name of the movie) as a scapegoat.
      Superman 3 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086393/

      American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you) while statistics show them to be among the most productive (overall, if not per hour). If we're such collective goof offs then why are we so productive?

      Because:
      1. You don't have as much vacation days as Europeans
      2. Minimum wages are so low and without a wellfare state, some people have to work two jobs just to get by.
      3. You have this collective 'Best <insert noun> of the world' attitude
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    6. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Travoltus · · Score: 1

      Offshoring.

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    7. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you)

      Would you mind telling us which conservatives have said that, and provide links to back it up?

    8. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by stigpalm · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about productive but you Yanks appear to work a shitlaod of hours

    9. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an American, I apologize for Richard Stallman. I don't apologize for Gates or Bush, I just disavow any connection.

    10. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by timeOday · · Score: 1
      The sky isn't falling.

      Employers throw a hissy fit if anybody charges a few unworked minutes, but they have no qualms requiring hours (or days) of manditory unpaid overtime. This alone will always dwarf whatever you can accomplish with little email and pager tricks.

      I woudn't set Outlook to fire off messages at 1am to make myself look better, because I don't have the gall to do it. On the other hand, I feel bad for office workers who feel they *must* be sending emails at 1am to be competitive.

    11. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by bheer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Speak for yourself. As an American I'm proud of both of them.

      Bush -- because spreading democracy in the middle east is better than the current chatter in Europe about mass deportations of muslims back to their kleptomullahcracies. It is harder but it still is the right thing to do.

      Gates -- because he was one of the key figures in making personal computers more than just a business toy. If it weren't for his business model, we'd be paying DEC and IBM through the nose for Vaxen and PCs would be single-vendor (IBM/Apple) curiosities.

    12. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you)

      Conservatives also think that Saddam was a serious threat.

    13. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Gates -- because he was one of the key figures in making personal computers more than just a business toy. If it weren't for his business model, we'd be paying DEC and IBM through the nose for Vaxen and PCs would be single-vendor (IBM/Apple) curiosities."

      Give me a break, someone else would have filled the niche. Microsoft beat out CP/M remember? And x86 unixes were available back then too. (Xenix, minix, coherent).

    14. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'conservatives' just like raping babies and love poluted [sic] air

      They don't just like it, they love it! Making a buck at it at the same time is just a fringe benefit!

    15. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by dword · · Score: 1

      2. Minimum wages are so low and without a wellfare state, some people have to work two jobs just to get by.

      Yeah, right! How low are minimum wages? Compare your damn minimum wage with my $100 minimum wage, while most products are actually the same price as in the US.

    16. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sucks to be them. That's really something to look back on and be proud of when you lie on your death bed.

    17. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If America is so productive, why does it have such an enormous balance of trade deficit?

      Outsourcing, you ungrateful clod.

    18. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by GrassMunk · · Score: 1

      Ohh goody. SO you mean there was a chance i'd still be using the command prompt to do everything from online banking to IM to word documents and spreadsheets. WOW what a wonderful wonderland that could have been.

    19. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Minimum wages are so low and without a wellfare state, some people have to work two jobs just to get by.

      BZZZZT WRONG!!!. In fact, the best way to INCREASE unemployment is to raise minimum wage.


      The comment you're replying to was not about unemployment. Put your Libertarianism back in your pants.

    20. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Craig_P92669 · · Score: 0

      You're proud of Bush for murdering children. How lovely. Prick.

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    21. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by kryten_nl · · Score: 1

      Allthough my comment didn't mention unemployement, I'll bite:

      Then just do what the new-cons do best, lower taxes. For companies and/or the lowest earning people.
      By the way, in this global economy a low minimum wage in the US, is a futile attempt at competing with China and India.
      Do you really want to be in a price war with 1 billion starving peasants?

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    22. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by erlenic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Name one child he has murdered. Just one. Oh wait, that right, you can't, because you are a retarded liberal.

    23. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by erlenic · · Score: 1

      You can learn more about the trade deficit from Walter Williams, an economics professor at GMU. Namely, you can learn that it doesn't exist.

    24. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by oscartheduck · · Score: 0

      Huh. How weird; Santa Fe enacted a "living wage" piece of legislation last year, increasing the city's minimum wage to $8.50 right now, $9.50 next year and $10.50 the year after and, as far as I'm aware, it has only had positive effects on the economy.

      And the whole "companies have to raise prices to be able to make the extra money they're paying out" thing doesn't take into account that pretty much your largest single expense every month is either your rental payment or your mortgage payment, which is fixed rather than fluctuating.

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    25. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by erlenic · · Score: 3, Informative

      I also have a problem with the minimum wage. Specifically, having one is a bad idea. Read Minimum Wage, Maximum Folly. It might open your eyes.

    26. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anthony+Coward · · Score: 1
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    27. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >I bet you think that 'conservatives' like raping babies and love poluted air.. as long as it makes them a buck, too.

      I don't need proof for the other stuff, but I know that Conservatives LOVE children!

      Enjoy raping your six-lung, Aliens(TM) skin, nine times raped 5 year old hatchling for $239, you stupid fatshit molesting asshole.

    28. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by kryten_nl · · Score: 1

      In the article you referenced, Williams seems to indicate that the increase in unemployement of black teens (16-17), since 1948, is only because of the increase in minimum wage. I simple can't believe that. Granted, I haven't read enough about the subject to offer well founded other reasons, but I can think of some plausible ones, and I'm sure you could as well.

      William also states: It turns out that adults benefit from the discriminatory effects of minimum wages.... If adults have better paying jobs, they might be able to keep their 16 and 17 year old children in school, where, I believe, they should be.

      Even if you don't agree with what I'm saying here, you at least have to give me credit for trying to take Williams seriously after reading this:
      For the most part, teenagers dominate the low-skilled worker category. They lack the maturity, skills and experience of adults. Black teenagers not only share those characteristics, but they are additionally burdened by grossly fraudulent education, making them even lower skilled.(Emphasis mine)

      And don't think I'm discussing that before you show me some numbers to back it up!

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    29. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by MutantHamster · · Score: 1
      American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you) while statistics show them to be among the most productive (overall, if not per hour). If we're such collective goof offs then why are we so productive?

      A lot of things talked about in the article were taking place in Europe and Japan. There's nothing American about it.

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    30. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by SupaKoopa · · Score: 1

      eventually someone else would have made the printing press. eventually someone else would have invented the lightbulb. eventually someone else would have discovered relativity. but we recognize the ones that did it best first ;-)

    31. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      If you correct the unemployment numbers to reflect the unusually large proportion of our population in prison or jail we have about the same rate as the rest of the developed world (including those so-called "nanny" states).

      Unfortunately when people run out of money over here they tend to end up in jail, go figure.

    32. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      That is the most retarded comment I have read in a long time.

    33. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by doppe1 · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately when people run out of money over here they tend to end up in jail, go figure.

      Yeah like this story.....

      US man shot his postman so that he would get sent to prison for life and escape his crippling medical debts, investigators say.

    34. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by metlin · · Score: 1


      Thank you, I could not have put it better.

    35. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was, fool.

    36. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IAAE (I Am An Economist), and I just read the article to which you linked--it was the stupidest thing I have read in a long time.

      Walter Williams is a fool, and all others of his ilk are fools--and time will expose them as such.

      For the time being, enjoy the consolation your delusions afford you--soon you won't be able to afford your delusions.

    37. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Thanks Xerox Parc!

    38. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by mbius · · Score: 1

      "Teen unemployment rate?" That's his evidence? More teenagers are unemployed today than in the aftermath of World War II?

      If I were trying to get anyone to take me seriously, I'd probably make the ensuing sales pitch a little more convincing. Perhaps argue from my economics degree more than persuasion and analogy.

      Especially if the title of my piece included the phrase "A Minority View." But then, I'd never date my article with "RELEASE: Today, and thereafter."

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    39. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by a11 · · Score: 1

      you may not be a liberal, but you're clearly the one who is retarded. liberals don't like bush.

    40. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by dtungsten · · Score: 1

      Minimum wages are so low and without a wellfare state, some people have to work two jobs just to get by.

      Or even one job. :)

    41. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That link provides no real insight into anything. I suggest the book "Greenspan's Fraud: How Two Decades of His Policies Have Undermined the Global Economy" by Ravi Batra for some insight into modern day economic policy for both the layman as well as the professional. Also, he introduces what I think is a great idea (though not necessarily new) for cutting the trade deficit with China in half, but that is beside the point.

      The reason for minimum wage is to keep employers from taking advantage of employees with lesser education and/or skills.

      With the decrease of public and private sector unions (thus bargaining power), without a minimum wage employees would be at the complete mercy of employers. With no minimum wage, people would be even worse off than they are now with respect to the cost of living. It would be extremely difficult for those who make the least to be able to buy anything but the basic necessities. Heck, they might not even be able to buy those. And we're talking about REAL necessities like food, clothing and shelter, let alone transportation and quality of life goods such as, oh...furniture, tv's, stereos, computers, etc.

      If/when the minimum wage matches or exceeds the cost of living, people wind up buying more (not many people wind up actually saving their money, whether they can or not). This increases the demand side, which then helps supply side businesses. Without a minimum wage increase since 1997 and with the decrease of public and private unions, buying power has gone down on the whole.

      With a $5.15 minimum wage (which is based on the 1996 dollar) in 2005 the $5.15 minimum wage is effectively $4.15 in terms of the 1996 dollar. Now, one could argue that the effective cost of goods has gone down since then and in the case of technology, they'd be right. However, to go along with a decrease in the effective cost of technology, we have seen large increases in the cost of commodities (like food, for instance), real estate etc. So that point is moot.

      Contrary to (popular?) belief, a rise in the minimum wage will not adversely affect the vast majority businesses ability to hire new workers. A rise in the minimum wage (which meeets or exceeds the cost of living) would actually help businesses. People will be able buy more, businesses will have to supply more to meet that demand and will ultimately make more $ (even if you include the additonal overhead). Even though that is an oversimplification, you get the idea.

    42. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by rvega · · Score: 1

      The article you cite is absurd. The author claims that, because we pay for imported goods with capital equal to the value of those goods, there is no trade defecit. But before the article ends, the author is castigating "our profligate Congress" for selling debt to foreign entities. He has, at least, identified the source of the problem: We are paying for imports with borrowed money. So, while it may be possible to argue that there is no trade deficit per se, the argument relies on a simplistic and dishonst redefinition of "trade balance".

      In reality, it works like this: The US government sells $1 billion in treasury bonds to the Chinese government. Now the US government has $1 billion in cash, which it spends on public projects, federal salaries, goods and services the government itself consumes to support its operations, and (famously) tax cuts. All this government spending puts cash in the pockets of American consumers, which they are encouraged to spend. These days, a good portion of this money, spent on goods, goes back to China in exchange for more imported goods (this is where the author's supposed trade balance comes into play: We're exchanging capital of equal value for the goods, right?) The problem is, the money we're spending was borrowed from the Chinese in the first place ... and we STILL owe them interest and principal on those treasury bonds!

      The author writes that "[t]he fact that foreigners are willing to exchange massive amounts of goods in exchange for slips of paper in the forms of currency, stocks and bonds should be a source of pride." That might be true if, again, the money was earned, not borrowed. It may be a source of pride that your good reputation allows you to borrow. But should you still be proud when you are in way over your head and borrowing more?

      The author writes, "America, with its wealth, rule of law and the sanctity of contracts, inspires foreigners to hold large amounts of their wealth in U.S. obligations." That's true -- for now. But for it to continue to be true, the United States has to repay all of the money it has borrowed according to terms under which it borrowed it. Where are we going to get that money?

      One possibility is that we'll default on our debt, which will mean seizure of American assets all over the world and a pratical ban on our access to international financial markets. Or we might choose to go the way some of our neighbors to the south: Devalue our currency by stimulating inflation (aka, print money.) This will allow us pay off our debts more easily, but will wipe out most Americans' savings, as well as the value of loans held by banks. Either of these will impoverish the entire nation.

      Hopefully, we'll earn it by producing goods and services that the world wants to buy. But there are enormous hurdles. There is barely a hint in the national dialogue of preparations for the kinds of changes and even sacrifices that will have to be made.

      One upside to having a lot of national debt held by foreign entities is that the whole world has a stake in our success. The bank you borrow from to buy your house makes more money if you keep a job and pay your mortgage than they do if you declare bankruptcy and they have to liquidate your assets. Perhaps no one in the world has a real interest in an American failure. On the other hand, we need the world more than the world needs us and, it bears repeating, foreigners aren't stupid.

    43. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      Minimum wage isn't SUPPOSED to be a living wage. Unless you are a teenager or mentally retarded, working at Burger King shouldn't look like a sweet employment opportunity. Those jobs pay so cheap because it's not hard work at all.

      I think you're on to something. Maybe the reason America is so productive is because by comparison with Europe, people can't slide through life working a low-skill job with padded wages and siphoning services off the welfare state.

    44. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by rvega · · Score: 1

      Good Christ, I spent 30 minutes refuting the other ludicrous article you linked to by this guy, and now there's this?

      For starters: Were [the minimum wage] an anti-poverty weapon, we might save loads of foreign aid expenditures simply by advising legislators in the world's poorest countries, such as Haiti, Bangladesh and Ethiopia, to legislate higher minimum wages. This is just a silly sentence. To compare the society and economic structure of Haiti or Bangladesh with those of the United States, and to base a straw-man argument on such a comparison is just insulting to the reader. The fact is that US corporations generally earn huge profits, some of which could reasonable be paid to their workers as higher wages. This is what an argument for a decent minimum wage is about. The same cannot be said for impoverished countries like those the author mentions, so his comparision (and would-be point) is absurd.

      And then: Currently, the teen unemployment rate is 16 percent for whites and 32 percent for blacks. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black teens (16-17) was lower (9.4 percent) than white teens (10.2 percent)... How might we explain that? Well, since he doesn't bother to link to the study he's using, it's hard to say. One possibility is that the set of numbers he's using don't exclude full-time students from the labor pool. In that case, the fact that a smaller percentage of black teenagers were "unemployed" in 1948 than now could be accounted for by the fact that more of them are full-time students now -- while in 1948 they had already been pressed into the labor force. Presenting statistics with so little context is dishonest and misleading.

      And, of course: Plus, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 2.2 percent of working adults earn the minimum wage. Now, really, if you're going to present a statistic that is absurd beyond belief, you'd better cite your source. Or maybe he means precisely what he says: 2.2 percent of Americans earn the minimum wage: The other 97.8 percent earn either above or below it. Unless someone can point me to a source for this data, I'm going to have to consider this either a typo or an outright lie.

      Furthermore, I have to agree with other posters that his focus on teenagers is pointless. It would be better to focus on the effect the minimum wage has had on working-class families, on adults who are supporting children, and on society as a whole -- not just on burger-flipping teens. I'm afraid that if he presented the big picture, it wouldn't help him make his point.

      For all that, I do agree with him on one thing: One effect of minimum wages is that of discriminating against the employment of low-skilled workers. And this is why US manufacturing and service jobs are moving overseas -- and why the US has a huge trade deficit, for that matter. The problem is that we demand a minimum wage for US citizens, but allow the import of products produced by workers who have no such gurantees. This makes US workers too expensive to compete. We allow the free movement of goods and capital, but not people (not that many Americans would move to Bangladesh to work in low-paid garment sewing!) But this economic aberration will have to be solved eventually, and we're going to have to pay for what we've gotten out of it. When we can borrow no more money abroad and our products are too expensive for export, you'll see wages start dropping. Or, more likely, you'll see the minimum wage "essentially repealed" (as Williams says) by inflation.

    45. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Most people I know who had jobs in high school had a much more mature sense of responsibility. Whether that's because they were working or they were working because they were responsible in the first place is, of course, open to interpretation. Regardless, I don't think having a job is high school is a "Bad Thing."

    46. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The noise device started in Japan and then went to Europe AND the US. Why are you picking on the US worker?

    47. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by FreakWent · · Score: 1

      It's clear to me. The USA will default on it's loans. Athens did, so it's an old trick.

      As the crunch comes, the decision between losing a credit rating and a drop in foreign investment, or having to pay it all back will become easier to make.

      Further, people of your (our? -- dob 1974) generation need to recognise our own history. After the Civil War, Napoleon, the Great War, the Great Depression, and WWII, it should be clear that being part of the wealthy west is not a certain barrier to poverty, misery and detah, just a temporary one. Frankly, the idea that there will be fast food and fast cars available for your grandchildren is silly, naieve and childish.

    48. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by FreakWent · · Score: 1

      more teens want/have to work than after ww2 -- it's the participation rate that's up.

    49. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      It's clear to me. The USA will default on it's loans. Athens did, so it's an old trick.

      Who doesnt default on their loans in the global market? You know how much we have lent Russia and many other countries around this world. Have they ever paid us back. No they havent, most of them either default on the loan or just pay back interest. We have even offered some countries the idea of just paying back the principal and not interest. Talk to the clods of U2 about the money that was sent to Africa. Even though the country is still bad off, IMHO they should still pack bay what is owed. America is probably one of the most charitable nations on this planet. But come on, we cant support an entire continent.

    50. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      The reason teen unemployment rate is so high IMO is because teenagers these days are scared of hard work. I myself am 20 years old but matured pretty fast when I had to move out at the age of 14 and start in construction to support myself. Friends and whoever around me would always be bitching about their fulltime job at McDonalds and wherever it may be that pertains to fast food. Working in construction is damn good money, almost any construction job pays good. For two reasons, its hard work, and its hard to find people that want to work. Any 18 year old around can go and find a job as a laborer or a carpenter ( carpenter with a little training ) because being 18 he should be physically healthy and have a lot of energy. Thing is teenagers are lazy when it comes to doing actual HARD manual labor. Hell when I first started in construction as a laborer just toting plywood / concrete mix / drywall I was making 9 dollars an hour and it was guranteed overtime + 40 hours a week. Most kids around me that were bitching about their job at Burger King were making minimum wage and lucky to get 20 hours a week. America's youth needs to MAN THE FUCK UP AND TAKE ACTION IF YOU WANT MONEY SO BAD.

    51. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      If/when the minimum wage matches or exceeds the cost of living, people wind up buying more (not many people wind up actually saving their money, whether they can or not). This increases the demand side, which then helps supply side businesses. Without a minimum wage increase since 1997 and with the decrease of public and private unions, buying power has gone down on the whole.

      The problem is that the money has to come from somewhere. Companies can decrease profits and still hire the same amount of workers, but the real problem is that when you put more money in the hands of more people, inflation is just around the corner. When you increase minimum wage, people might initially have more buying power, but soon prices will raise to the highest level the markets will bear, then you'll have to increase minimum wage again, then prices will go up, ad infinitum.

      Contrary to (popular?) belief, a rise in the minimum wage will not adversely affect the vast majority businesses ability to hire new workers.

      Define the "vast majority" of businesses. According to http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/sbfaq.html, 50% of all employees work for small businesses, and small businesses represent greater than 99% of employers. Many small businesses survive on slim margins to begin with. Raising minimum wage for these businesses will directly affect their ability to retain current employees and hire new ones, at least until they can raise prices accordingly, which just gets you back in the same hole.

      Another problem with a national minimum wage is that the cost of living varies widely around the country. $5.15/hr might be plenty for many rural communities, but you couldn't make enough to survive at that rate in someplace like NYC even if you worked 16 hour days. Many states have their own minimum wages which are higher than the federal minimum; in some cases much higher.

      There will always be a dichotomy between rich and poor until all things are without value, which will never happen. There will always be a subset of the population who, through luck, skill, or less respectable means, manages to aquire more assets than he or she needs at the expense of the general populous. Communism claimed to stave off this imbalance by giving everyone equal pay, benefits, housing, etc., but that hasn't worked out too well for most countries. Meanwhile, Capitalism accepts that there will be a dichotomy, but (theoretically) tries to manage the playing field so that the people with the best ideas will be the most successful. We throw in a little socialism to support basic needs such as shelter, food stamps, welfare, etc., but there's no way to wipe out poverty; only to redefine it. 500 years ago, poverty may have been the same as homelessness, whereas today it means sleeping in a crappy apartment, eating government cheese, and using rabbit ear antennae.

      The best way to redefine poverty to an acceptable quality of life is through socialist programs, not by placing artificial restraints on a free market economy. Many Scandenavian countries have a high standard of living because they realize that, for example, the benefit of having guaranteed healthcare, and thus a healthy and productive workforce, outweighs the cost. Sweden doesn't even have a minimum wage, and has only 2-3% unemployment.

      My point is that minimum wage is only a band-aid on an infection. It might cover up the problem, but underneath the infection will fester, and in the long run the problem will only become worse.

    52. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Stankatz · · Score: 1

      4. They don't spend most of their time thinking of ways to explain why the Americans are more productive than them.

    53. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      I worked in a video store through college, and I never once complained about my wages because I was working there because it wasn't hard. We had a constant stream of older, disgruntled employees who would come in, slack off and complain about their shitty hours and wages.

      One day, this lady I worked with was bitching about not getting paid enough and I turned to her and asked her "if you want money, why the hell are you working here?"

      A friend of mine's mom worked in a factory to support her children after her divorce. It paid decent but was horrible work. She came home every night at midnight or later, and sometimes she'd just sit sit down at the kitchen table and cry. But she did it to support her family. I have no sympathy for people who try to live off minimum wage. If you want money, you have to work for it.

    54. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by rvega · · Score: 1

      Actually, I hate to say it, but America is one of the least charitable nations on this planet, unless you count loans (with or without interest) as "charity", which I don't. To be clear, I mean least chartiable per capita, and of the wealthy nations. While it's true that the US gives the most in foreign aid as a total figure, we give much less per person than the citizens of most of the other rich nations, even though we are near the top of the list in per person income. (Since we also pay relatively little in taxes, it makes you wonder what we're doing with all our money, and whether we're really spending it wisely -- but that's a different subject.)

      I'm not sure if this link is viewable by non-subscribers but, in short, it shows that the US gives about 0.16% of GDP as foreign aid. France gives about 2.5 times as much, per capita, as the US (about 0.41%) and some European countries, like the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark are giving over 0.7% of their GDP -- almost 3.8 times as much as the US.

      These are government figures that do not reflect private giving. Although I admit it is only anecdotal evidence, after having lived for six years in the Netherlands, I would bet good money of my own that private giving exceeds American figures by similar margins (if you don't count the money Americans give to their churches or similar close-to-home charities). People there are exposed to many more opportunities to give to charity there, and seem to do so.

      Then again, the article in The Economist mentions the variety of opinion on what works and what doesn't in foreign aid, and it's clear that some poorly-directed aid goes to dictators and terrorists. Nevertheless, those who think America is a great giver (and especially those of the Christian persuasion) should consider the story of the widow's mite.

    55. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Bush -- because spreading democracy in the middle east is better than the current chatter in Europe about mass deportations of muslims back to their kleptomullahcracies. It is harder but it still is the right thing to do.

      Bush doesn't deport them, he just puts them in a concentration camp in Cuba without just cause and with no determined release date. Is being put in prison so much better than being sent home? As for immigration laws, America's current policy is to block access to intelligent, educated people regardless of country of origin, while giving blanket citizenship to illegal aliens from Mexico because it's easier than shipping them home again.

      As for "spreading democracy," all he's accomplished so far is bombing a country back into the Stone Age and leaving them with a non-functioning puppet government and near anarchy, which is only being held at bay by America's continued military rule.

      Just because somebody shares the same nationality as we do doesn't mean we have to instantly be proud of them. Every country is responsible for its share of assholes. They crop up in the most amazing places.

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    56. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by slughead · · Score: 1

      Minimum wages are so low and without a wellfare state, some people have to work two jobs just to get by.

      I'd take that over a 9-13% unemployment rate as found in France, Germany, Canada, Italy... need I go on?

      I'd also like to point out that on average, Americans pay more in taxes than Canadians (in gross).

    57. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of places have their minimum wage tied to the living wage. The whole point of a minimum wage, to many of the people who support it, was so that they could be paid enough to live off of. Of course now people want to be paid enough to have a 4 bedroom house, a swimming pool, a pony, and an SUV, and merely living has become pase(with that accent thing).

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    58. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      Please. Let me have a toke of whatever you're smoking.

      Besides that red herring...

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    59. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, in my opinion. CP/M was superior to MS-DOS 1.0. I'm not alone in that belief. Guess who was first?

      In fact, I also believe GEM was superior to Windows 1.0. Guess who was first?

      We don't recognose those who did it best first. We recognise those who market better or have major players in the market behind them. We recognise those who have a catchy name or a cool jingle. We recognise those who have nice colours or those who win by default. It's mostly luck.

      If you think we recognise those who did it best first, you've got a major thing to learn about capitalism in reality.

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    60. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You lose any right to discuss anything when you decide to label yourself conservative, or your opponent liberal.

      Not because either 'viewpoint' is invalid, but because it shows that you're nothing but a useless lemming who doesn't hasn't put the required effort into understanding this world to be arguing about it.

      Thank you, and good day.

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    61. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Today, I'm going to explain how a trade defecit works, by expanding upon an example from an article by WALTER E. WILLIAMS. When I'm done, I hope that you'll better understand what a trade defecit is, and why it is not a preferable situation.

      In a global view, let's say you have your grocer, who in this arguement supplies everything to you for some reason, and you have your employer, who buys your time from you.

      Now, let's say you get paid 100 dollars per week. This is the equivilant to an export. You are exporting your time to your employer for money. At this point, you have a trade surplus of 100 dollars per week. Not bad! You now have 100 dollars per week more at your disposal than you did last week.

      Let's say that you spend 100 dollars on groceries each week. This is anagolous to imports, because you are importing groceries to your cupboard. I don't know why you would, maybe you have a thyroid dysfunction, or you are addicted to caviar and faberge eggs or something. Anyway, now you have no trade surplus, and no trade defacit. The rates are in parity. This situation isn't good, nor is it bad. You have an equal amount of capital at your disposal as you did before.

      Now, let's say you decide to double your caviar intake and suddenly start importing 200 dollars worth of food from the grocery store every month. You are now suffering a trade defecit of 100 dollars per month. This is considered by many to be a bad thing. The capital at your disposal now decreases 100 dollars every month.

      Simple, isn't it? When we apply the above to nations, it's not quite so clear-cut, but it's close. While in our above example we only have two resources which create or demand capital, a nation has many resources which create and demand capital. A car plant, for example, will create cars and therefore create capital, regardless of whether the customer is domestic or foreign. A bakery will continue to create bread, and some measure of that bread will create capital and wealth within the nation of it's own origin, regardless. Thankfully, this means that even in the event of a trade defecit, it doesn't mean that the country is neccessarily getting poorer the moment it has a trade defecit.

      However, it does mean, when a country is importing more than it exports, that whatever amount more it imports than exports, will be drained from the economy of that nation, just as even though the guy with a job and a grocer in our example above gets a cheque from his parents for 200 dollars every week, the trade defecit of 100 dollars means that the amount of capital he has available to him is still only 100 dollars (100 from the job + 200 from because his mother loves him - 200 from the grocer = 100 dollars).

      In the case of a nation, the trade defecit becomes a drag on the amount of money in circulation in that nation, as dollars are sent to other nations in exchange for products don't come back, except through exports.

      All of this implies that it is in a countries best interest to maintain a trade surplus, to increase the amount of capital in circulation in the nation, and help increase the power and wealth of the nation as a whole.

      And saying that "namely, you can learn that it doesn't exist" shows that not only do you not understand the above, but that you don't understand the paper you just posted.

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    62. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because unemployment in China is just so low!

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    63. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I've decided to contact Walter E. Williams about some massive flaws I've percieved in his arguements. I'll post here if I get a reply about them.

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    64. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      In 1948, however, most people dropped out of grade school to work full time. This would directly affect the unemployment numbers for 16-17 year olds, since they would be working full time. I've now seen two tremendously flawed(in my opinion) articles by this economics professor, and I've contacted him about it. I'll try to let everyone know if I get a response back.

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    65. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to ask what you believe is hard work compared to a job flipping burgers.

      To be frank, I consider a job as a professional sysadmin, or technician to be ridiculously easy compared to a minimum wage job working at a full service gas/diesel/propane station on a major highway. I've done both(and I've done both damned well). I wouldn't be particularly suprised to find that a job flipping burgers at a reasonably busy Burger King or McDonalds is more difficult than being a sysadmin or technician either.

      Frankly, you sound to me, with your assertion that there's ANY work that shouldn't net a person enough money to get a roof over his head and a can of beans in his belly, like a person who has paid for, or had someone else pay for, his education so he can sit on his high horse and kick peasants as they go by. Congratulations, some people don't have the presence of mind of you and I to get an education and get a life. Others aren't so lucky. The fact that you'd deny them a living wage is sick, and only makes me wonder if there are more people in America as clueless as you.

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    66. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Bull. Shit.

      It took me 8 months to find a shit job at a gas/propane/diesel station on the highway in my hometown after I got laid off from my computer tech job. I did my best at that shit job, and I did a great job, because I owed it to anyone smart enough to employ me, a person who doesn't care about hard work, except that I get to do it. It took me 25 days(more like three months if you consider the construction firms I sent my resume to back in March) to find my current job at a gas station here in the provincial capitol. I'm doing a great job, because I owe it to my boss, who was smart enough to hire me, to do a better job than the other idiots he could have hired. He was one of only 3 companies in the entire city who called me in for an interview, out of nearly 50 resumes I sent in through mail, fax, e-mail, or in person.

      Scared of hard work? Not in the least. Check out the pictures in my site below. If you don't believe that took hard manual labour, you're insane(100km of hard riding in the rain is the only sort of way to get results like that). However: I ONLY WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO HIRE ME.

      I spent 8 months finding the next job after I got laid off as a computer tech. 8 months, and 80 resumes, sent to every single shop, construction site, and mill in town. After all that time, a gas station finally hired me. I gave that job everything I had, because they were the people smart enough to finally hire me. I ended up changing the standards there because I worked to do better than those who came before me, not just to collect a paycheque. Now I live in the capitol of my province. I did it again -- I sent out easily 50 resumes through mail, e-mail, and in person. Want to know the number of interviews I got in that 3 month period? 3. Who finally hired me, even though I sent many of those resumes to engineering firms, construction companies, and other places that could have used me for manual labour? A gas station. It took 21 days to get that job, and it was another gas station. I'll work like they've never seen a person work, and I'll once again raise the standards of work by doing my best.

      But don't say that people our age are afraid of hard work -- most of them never even get the chance!

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    67. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You have a future. Do the people who work at video stores or fast food joints or gas stations who don't have a future not deserve to pay their rent?

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    68. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      And I bet that repetition even though there was no reason to repeat what I wrote, demonstrates that. :P

      Yeah. It's way too late for me to be posting.

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    69. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      Good for you, but what pisses me off is that are'nt more people like you or me that are our age. True that some people have a harder time finding jobs doing anything, whether is be manual labor or IT jobs. But one things for sure, kids that just sit around all day living with mom and dad and finally get hit with the real world after HS and have to move out, should really stop bitching about not having money or not getting enough work in when they work at McDonalds.

    70. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      When I say charitable I dont mean in the sense that America is just handing out money to some non profit organization overseas. What I mean is that the US constantly lends money or gives it to other countries that really have no intention of paying us back. In my book that counts as charity when your giving someone money that you know they have no real intentions of paying back. We have dumped countless billions into other countries defense programs / socio-economic programs / infrastructures and the like. As far as you saying on a personal basis of actual Americans giving money to charity instead of what I meant as in the actual goverment, your making assumptions that Americans are greedy bastards and dont give near as much to charity as you think you do. As far as poorly directed aid, that has happened with all the worlds superpowers giving money to other nations. Same shit different country.

    71. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can just see Dubya with his business cronies right now:

      "If America's workers are using the internets to goof off, then the terrorists have already won."

    72. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by bheer · · Score: 1

      As for "spreading democracy," all he's accomplished so far is bombing a country back into the Stone Age and leaving them with a non-functioning puppet government and near anarchy ...and incidentally getting Libya to renounce terror, the Syrians out of Lebanon, and the beginnings of democracy in the Emirates and KSA (where women were recently allowed representation-- women can now vote for women in segregated poll stations).

      And Iraq is far from 'non-functioning puppet government and near anarchy' ... the jihadists (many of them mercenaries) attack in the Sunni triangle because most of them are Sunni. The situation in the Shia and Kurd areas are much better.

      Anyway, as I keep saying to naysayers: give us an alternative that addresses the root causes of terrorism*. 'Police-work' in identifying cells and taking them out is all very well, but you'll never quite eliminate the possibility of attack-- and after a particularly big attack you will see rabid (and dare I say, racist) hatred of the worst kind.

      * And please don't say: 'lose our dependence on oil and get out of the Middle East'. You have just sentenced the region's only thriving democracy to death. The more you pander to madmen the more their ambitions rise.

    73. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the information. As for fighting the war on terror, my suggestion is that there really isn't any good way to fight it at all (as people have pointed out before, "terror" is a word, not a country.)

      My suggestion is to do as the English have done, roll with the punches, and keep going. America is a bright and shining example of what happens when terrorism wins - people live in paranoia and fear, which is only egged on by the media and the government. Government makes a lot of noise about security, but hasn't really accomplished a lot more than banning nail clippers from airlines and an arbitrary color-coded threat level based on ambiguous criteria that has a lot more to do with convincing people that somebody is doing *something* rather than actually attempting to fix a situation that everyone knows is impossible to control.

      We are no better off than we were before - *security* is no better than it was before - but there are a lot more little annoyances everywhere you go in the name of safety that really don't help at all. London, with its thousands of security cameras in every public space, was unable to avert not only one, but six bombs. I seriously doubt confiscating my nail clippers at the airport is really making our skies safer.

      Meanwhile, in the rest of the world (I live abroad), life goes on pretty much as it has before, and people don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. It's a lot less stressful, I can tell you.

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    74. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by bheer · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in the rest of the world (I live abroad), life goes on pretty much as it has before, and people don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. It's a lot less stressful, I can tell you.

      I've lived in Europe too, so I know what you mean. And yet I see something different: a measure of ostrich-headedness that's hard to justify. When I lived in London, there were plenty of jihadi imams around. No one thought anything of them, despite the fact that they were all screaming about Gulf War II (of course, I see from Google News that some folk are recognizing this today. I should've gone into law enforcement). Paris has much a much more hardline approach to deporting 'undesirables', but it still ignores the unrest brewing in its slums. And in the midst of all this, you merely have to listen into the mosque/Islamist website chatter to hear about how 'we [Muslims] will take Europe in a generation simply by being there' -- easy to imagine given Europe's current demographics.

      But yeah, if not knowing about all this makes you not worry, more power to you. I was born worrier anyway.

      As for fighting the war on terror, my suggestion is that there really isn't any good way to fight it at all (as people have pointed out before, "terror" is a word, not a country.)

      The British (with decades of experience fighting the IRA) and the Indians (fighting Sikh terrorists in the 80s and Muslim ones in 90s) would disagree with you. Terror is a word but fighting terror is very real and has to be done at several levels: military, psych, social.

      In the case of the India/Sikh experience, the Indian Army and police hunted down and killed thousands of terrorists and their families (stick) while at the same time encouraging others to give up the gun in well-publicized 'surrender ceremonies' and making these people heroes in their communities through well-publicized propaganda (carrot). Many of those who surrendered are alive and well today and would be happy to tell you they are glad their state is prosperous again. From what I understand the IRA experience went similarly, though the stick was less severe (law enforcement + international pressure) and the carrot was a systematic peace process.

      The India/Muslim experience is rather more illuminating. Unlike the Sikh experience, the Muslim problem has not quite been solved today. There are interesting parallels with the Islamic situation elsewhere: in Kashmir, as in Iraq, the terrorists come mainly from abroad -- certainly their leaders do -- and spread terror using mercs or disaffected locals.

      (Initially this invited heavy-handed reprisals from the Indian government-- giving the terrorists another banner to recruit under. The government finally wised up and made community relations an important part of its campaign but we now see terrorists bombing the very Muslims they were supposed to liberate as reprisals. Sounds familiar? Should be, it's happening again in Iraq.)

      The common thread to Islamic terrorism is that they do not respect nation-state boundaries, they acknowledge only the Nation of Islam (Dar al Islam, I think it is). The rules of war mean nothing to them: they are not uniformed soldiers, they think nothing of using civilian houses and places of worship as places of violence to further their plans. They do not even care about the lives of the the children of their fellow-Muslims. Of course, none of this brings forth any criticism of them from the world press. Instead, it is the nations who must face their mayhem, fighitng with one hand tied behind their backs, who must take the blame.

      How can these people be stopped?

      A lot of people who believe that Islam is a religion of 'violence'. I disagree, primarily because Christianity before the renaissance was not much better than Islam today -- plenty of wars -- internecine and otherwise -- in religion's name. I believe that the ordinary Muslim if given a chance will repudiate fundamentalist Islam. If given the chance wi

    75. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course. This generation needs a good kick in the ass. I'm just arguing that it's definitely not entirely their fault. They've been shown a world where they can't succeed. Only stubborn pricks like you and I will make it anywhere.

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    76. Re:How to use this to make workers look bad by wackybrit · · Score: 1

      Man, I've seen some shoddy economics in my time, but that guy has no idea what he's talking about.

      If I must pay $6.25 or $7.25 an hour to whomever I hire, does it make sense for me to hire a worker whose skills enable him to produce only $4.00 worth of value per hour? Most employers would view doing so as a losing economic proposition.

      Employers wouldn't pay someone who produces only $4.00 of value per hour anything. You generally expect an employee to, at the most difficult of times, have a value of 25% over their salary, but generally double or more. Someone producing $4 an hour in value is not even worth the paperwork.

      People being hired at minimum wage are certainly of more value to employers than minimum wage. The minimum wage simply reinforces that low value workers should receive more of the pie than they were previously. I won't discuss whether this is a good idea or not, though, but I am traditionally an economic conservative.

  3. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A (semi)-respected publisher puts out a book on how to shirk actual work?

    Like any of you losers works anyways.

    Back in my day, we had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow wearing a sun dress, just to submit our punchcards to the mainframe guy! And you complain about a little typing.

    -- Lost the password to my two-digit uid.

    1. Re:Yeah... by dalutong · · Score: 4, Funny

      you think that's bad?

      my commute was uphill BOTH WAYS!

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    2. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...and you tell it to the kids of today and they *won't* believe you...

    3. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can always say that your private mailserver only sends out emails every day at noon. But, punched out by the flu as you were, you didn't remember that when you sent the email 07:30 that morning.

      There are millions of excuses, but I think one's better off with the truth. "Sorry boss, but I'm really burned out these days, can I please have a couple of days off?" is much better than if your PHB notices that you've been lying to him every monday for several months.

    4. Re:Yeah... by YeEntrancemperium · · Score: 1

      Back in your day, you had clean air.

    5. Re:Yeah... by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      A (semi)-respected publisher puts out a book on how to shirk actual work?

      Unfortunately the book's pages are blank because the author was applying the tactics when he was supposedly writing the book (and the editor the same, otherwise he would have noticed).

    6. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In a sun dress?

      Okay. That's disturbing imagery. I mean, it would be less disturbing if it wasn't Slashdot, but...

    7. Re:Yeah... by chrysrobyn · · Score: 4, Funny
      Back in my day, we had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow wearing a sun dress, just to submit our punchcards to the mainframe guy! And you complain about a little typing.

      Buddy, I was the mainframe guy. I had to get to work the same route, and trust me-- you were NOT as pretty in the sun dress as you thought. You can complain about typing up the punch cards all you want. I'll complain about looking at you in your dress.

    8. Re:Yeah... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      The guy in the sundress was me, damnit!!!

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    9. Re:Yeah... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      A (semi)-respected publisher puts out a book on how to shirk actual work?

      Unfortunately the book's pages are blank because the author was applying the tactics when he was supposedly writing the book (and the editor the same, otherwise he would have noticed).

      Are you talking about the book, or Slashdot? Oh wait, you said semi-respected.

    10. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have traveled a Penrose staircase to get to work. Someone should have told you to go the other direction, so it would be downhill both ways.

    11. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was the sundress you insensitive clod!

    12. Re:Yeah... by clambake · · Score: 1

      my commute was uphill BOTH WAYS!

      Hey, I live in San Francisco... EVERWHERE is uphill!

    13. Re:Yeah... by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1
      my commute was uphill BOTH WAYS!

      Pretty much possible for a flat area with a suitable geology allowing the required deformations by the gravity of Moon (see tidal waves, it works not only with water), and suitable timing of arrivals and departures to work.

    14. Re:Yeah... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      and suitable timing of arrivals and departures to work.


      This would only work a couple of days per month. Indeed high and low tides move around the day, depending on the phase of the moon.

    15. Re:Yeah... by MirrororriM · · Score: 1

      Why, when I was a young programmer we had to write the code in the snow with our pee, and a compiler was just a word for the pilot of the hovering dirigible that read the instructions and passed them to the ALU, which was another fellow with an abacus. They would wrap the results around a rock, and drop it on my house when the program would exit. We had to walk uphill...

      I just don't get sick of these good ol' days stories. Yeah, I posted this to another article before, but the other article was a slashdot dupe, so I'm only following suit :)

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  4. Why?!!! by Agret · · Score: 1

    "One can backdate e-mails through rolling back a computer's built-in clock."

    Why aren't the message times marked by the SMTP server itself? Even then, why does the SMTP server accept e-mails from the past?

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    1. Re:Why?!!! by yiangocy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, the messages are stamped by the SMTP server itself. The article really should not be taken seriously. I was surprised that it was published by Reuters to be honest.

      The SMTP server accepts email from any time -- you can be from a totally different timezone remember.

      Also, did anyone else notice this at the end of the article?:

      (Additional reporting by Duncan Martell in San Francisco, Reed Stevenson in Seattle and Kevin Krolicki in Los Angeles)

      It took so many people to write that?

    2. Re:Why?!!! by Living+WTF · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Even then, why does the SMTP server accept e-mails from the past?

      Yes, that's ridiculous! Imagine it would also accept a fake sender address...

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    3. Re:Why?!!! by wfberg · · Score: 4, Informative


      Why aren't the message times marked by the SMTP server itself?


      They are, just look for the Received: header. Some software (Outlook) makes it hard to look at these headers, but they are there.

      Even then, why does the SMTP server accept e-mails from the past?

      Because of the store-and-forward nature of SMTP. In a typical situation, your mail is first delivered to your local SMTP server and then sent to the remote SMTP server. And some sites have complicated setups with multiple servers even within their own organization forwarding the messages a few times. Since delays and downtime can creep in a few places, there's no good reason to deny "old" messages. Although unlikely dates are usually flagges by anti-spam software as being suspicious.

      More generally, SMTP doesn't try to check the authenticity of message headers or content in any way. Which is why you can also "forge" the From-address, etc.

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    4. Re:Why?!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most SMTP servers do put the time into their RECEIVED header. Sometimes however these are hard to interpret and tech-unsavvy users never get to see these headers anyway, so they can't tell an inter-SMTP delay from a tweaked source time. On the other hand, it's like the "my dog ate the homework" excuse. It doesn't work very often before the recipient wises up.

    5. Re:Why?!!! by germanStefan · · Score: 1

      Well sometimes you send e-mails from fake addresses. Its a necessity...think about all the times you get e-mails from a website. Those usually are all faked from's as often they want you to reply to someone other than the web server's user account. I do it all the time. In fact, I have a few forms on my website, all which when e-mail people are from "different" addresses. So when they reply to the generated addresses they reach real people, not the apache user account.

      I've thought about rejecting e-mails from the future or way in the past as well as from non resistant domains, but in the end its better just to deliver it all instead of getting complaints from customers saying they didn't get an e-mail. So just deliver everything and hopefully the anti-spam solution will flag it...but atleast the customer will get it.

    6. Re:Why?!!! by pha95mlb · · Score: 3, Funny

      why does the SMTP server accept e-mails from the past?

      Cause it's so much simpler than accepting e-mails from the future.

    7. Re:Why?!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Those usually are all faked from's as often they want you to reply to someone other than the web server's user account. I do it all the time. In fact, I have a few forms on my website, all which when e-mail people are from "different" addresses. So when they reply to the generated addresses they reach real people, not the apache user account.
      That's why there's a "Reply-To" field.
    8. Re:Why?!!! by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why aren't the message times marked by the SMTP server itself?

      They are; if you can look at all the headers on a mail message you'll see the arrival times as it hops from server to server. But the recipient normally only sees the "Date:" header, which is set by the mail client, and this is easily hacked, as TFA says.

      Some related anecdotes:

      I have a friend whose PC clock is about 20 minutes past, it's disconcerting to receive messages from the future, and weird when my reply is 10 minutes ahead of the question (hard to make sense of the mailbox later too). He ignores my pleas to get a simple NTP client.

      A few months ago I found some of my messages were taking a very long time to get through to certain people. Getting them to bounce back the complete message showed their ISP had rejected my message temporarily (I forget the error number), which prompted my ISP's mail server to wait several hours before retrying. It turned out this was a braindead anti-spam measure, if any mail server sent "too many" messages" in a given period they were throttled. Of course, since my ISP is very large it was easy to trigger this with a spike in normal message traffic, let alone any rogue spammer.

    9. Re:Why?!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the SMTP message can contain one of standard obsolete time zones of RFC822

    10. Re:Why?!!! by germanStefan · · Score: 1
      That's why there's a "Reply-To" field.

      Understood, but spam filters will often complain if the From field doesn't have a name, so its benificial to set the from: field. While one is at it, probably set the reply to field. However, I usually just set the from field, as the reply-to will then automatically be the from field...just my preference

    11. Re:Why?!!! by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      You can set the from: field to your own website, however. This is legitimate, and the right thing to do, since it is originating from your own server.

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    12. Re:Why?!!! by germanStefan · · Score: 1
      Agreed, Thats usually what is done I believe, as contact_form@website or contact@website, etc...However I don't think SMTP server's should block addresses where the sending server and domain are mismatched. I send a lot of e-mails from one domain, through an e-mail server that is not related to it, thus it a SMTP server could block it as seeing it as "fake" but when in reality my university doesn't let me send e-mail's through their domain unless I'm in their IP range or through webmail. So I send e-mails from my university account through another unreleated server...

      This whole discussion came out of someone asking why not block e-mails where the time was in the past/future and then why not block fake addresses. I hope that I've made it clear why I _believe_ that smtp server's shouldn't drop "fake" addresses where the smtp server's and sender domains aren't matched. If not...its your opinion : ). I just hope you wont block my e-mails :p

    13. Re:Why?!!! by joebubba · · Score: 1

      All good information above. I'd like to add that all of the headers that can be forged are all for human consumption anyway. Mail servers don't even look at them.

    14. Re:Why?!!! by jackofallbrandnames · · Score: 1

      (Additional reporting by Duncan Martell in San Francisco, Reed Stevenson in Seattle and Kevin Krolicki in Los Angeles)

      Case in point by example. :P

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    15. Re:Why?!!! by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      You're quite right. What's needed is a way of verifying that the address in the from field is really who sent it, some kind of PGP signature or the like would probably work.

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    16. Re:Why?!!! by vanman2004 · · Score: 1

      Even then, why does the SMTP server accept e-mails from the past?

      When else would the messages be from?

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    17. Re:Why?!!! by Stankatz · · Score: 1

      Wait, you actually expected Reuters (or any news organization) to get a tech-related article right? The email date thing actually works sometimes. Once, my advisor had the date on his computer set to a month in the future, and his emails would sit at the very bottom of my inbox for month is I didn't delete them. Then I discovered how to sord messages based on the arrival time. Some email clients sort messages by and only display the sender date/time by default. Seems like that would be enough to fool the average PHB.

  5. Backdate e-mails by baadger · · Score: 4, Informative

    "One can backdate e-mails through rolling back a computer's built-in clock"

    Unfortunately "Received:" headers add their own date e.g.

    Received: from mta02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.42]) by mx2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id xxxxxxxxxxxx for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:56:09 -0400 (EDT)

    1. Re:Backdate e-mails by Living+WTF · · Score: 1

      Noticing that would require someone who knows about mail headers, which would probably be the guy who backdates his email ...

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    2. Re:Backdate e-mails by tero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ..or the companys mail/sys/netadmin, once The Boss gets irked enough of the "network delaying important work" all the time.
      After that.. well, you can kiss your job goodbye..

    3. Re:Backdate e-mails by BiDi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you think that bosses know how to check e-mail headers? 90% of them only know how to start Outlook if the icon is sitting directly on the desktop.

    4. Re:Backdate e-mails by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Thunderbird displays the "Date" field for messages.
      It uses the Timestamp from the MUA of the sender. Don't ask me why. I often get spams from Jan, 1969 and they end up way at the bottom of all my emails. When I get the 2008 ones, they end up at the top. And when someone reinstalls Windows XP I can tell, because they always forget to set their timezone incorrectly.

      So I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's not hard to fool some people...

    5. Re:Backdate e-mails by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "One can backdate e-mails through rolling back a computer's built-in clock" For those that didn't RTFA, the next line was: "'It will certainly prove that you sent the e-mail when you said you did,' Saltzman said. 'You can just blame the delay on the network.'"

      The point is that a large time gap between sent and received headers will be invariably be interpreted as `a technological problem, not a dishonesty problem.

    6. Re:Backdate e-mails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when someone reinstalls Windows XP I can tell, because they always forget to set their timezone incorrectly.

      I'm always forgetting to set my time zone incorrectly as well, it's a right pain having correct time stamps.

    7. Re:Backdate e-mails by varmittang · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then the boss asks the employee why the email was late, and they say it was sent in the morning, but got delievered in the afternoon. Then the IT guys get called in to fix a problem that doesn't exist. IT guys read said email and check the headers, and see that it was sent in the afternoon, just on a computer that had its hardware clock back by the user, at which point the user is questioned. They of course deny everything. Reset hardware clock and test to see it stays set. Tell boss its fixed, and that should be the end of it. Nope, the vicous cycle just starts up again next week.

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    8. Re:Backdate e-mails by clambake · · Score: 1

      90% of them only know how to start Outlook if the icon is sitting directly on the desktop.

      Oh, you mean when not obscured by powerpoint?

    9. Re:Backdate e-mails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be lucky to have a boss that smart.

  6. interesting, mr. spock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it seems slashdot it anti-work ethic today. oh, i must be new here!

  7. people have been lazy long before tech by ibanez16 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People have always been finding ways to cheat work. Whether its longer breaks, sleeping in the bathroom, yeah i know people who have done it, or god knows what else. My favorite though is the george costanza's method, building a bed under your desk to take naps in.

    God i've thought about it myself a few times......

    1. Re:people have been lazy long before tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have u seen a real programmer's workplace? some actually have sleeping areas underneath desks and have drapes they can pull across to keep the light out. of course these weren't created to cheat working, but actually because you practically live there. i saw this on G4 when they were showing Gran Turismo 4 programmers.

    2. Re:people have been lazy long before tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sleeping in the bathroom? Sure, if that's what you want to call it...

    3. Re:people have been lazy long before tech by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      Peter Gibbons: You see Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.



      Bob Porter: Don't... don't care?



      Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's another thing, I have eight different bosses right now.



      Bob Porter: Eight?



      Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

    4. Re:people have been lazy long before tech by mulhall · · Score: 1

      Why do you think the wheel was invented?

      Some lazy-ass worker couldn't be bothered to do heavy carrying...

      And don't tell me da Vinci's mother didn't used to tell him to get out in the sunlight more often and try to find a girlfriend.

      Laziness - the mother of all invention.

  8. You're in the wrong job. by onion2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're resorting to lies and trickery to avoid the work you ought to be doing, then you should quit. If your job is so bad, don't carry on with it. Find one you actually like, that you enjoy, that isn't something you want to avoid. You'll be a lot less stressed and you'll find life a whole lot easier.

    1. Re:You're in the wrong job. by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except then there would be the problem with paying rent. For most people nowadays, an enjoyable job is not one that pays, or at least pays well. Unless you start your own business and all that, of course most businesses fail in the first year.

      But yeah, lies and trickery on the job are not cool, either by the workers or by the executive officers...

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    2. Re:You're in the wrong job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "But yeah, lies and trickery on the job are not cool, either by the workers or by the executive officers..."

      The difference is that when I get caught, I get fired. When executive officers get caught, they retire with millions via a severance package.

    3. Re:You're in the wrong job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your right, but remember that massive personal debt problem. You need that crappy job to;
      Pay off that house you can't afford,
      the Cars you dont need;
      your significant others car,
      The Boat, Pool, spa,
      to send your kids to overpriced private "schools".
      etc.

      People are tied to their jobs as they would be screwed if that lost their employment.

    4. Re:You're in the wrong job. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Quit you say? OK I'll quit my job, so give me your e-mail address so I can send the details for you to deposit money into my bank account to pay for all my bills and costs of living.

      Unless someone can think of a communist country I can move to where being unemployed doesn't mean you starve to death or live on the streets.

      What's wrong with lies and trickery? It's not like the management are doing much work either. At my job I'm going to do the MINIMUM not to get sacked. Nothing more. They don't pay me enough to care about my job, they don't treat me well enough to care about my job, so I'm going to do as little as I can get away with.

      The few 'enjoyable' jobs available are taken, and only open to people skilled and experienced in their field, for everyone else it's a choice between a miserable job and the dole queue.

    5. Re:You're in the wrong job. by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps youre just trying to even out your time off with the people who call in sick twice a month. Whether they are sick or not is completely irrelevant, they have the same contract (or lack thereof) and the same pay for the same position as you do so they should get the same amount of time off work.

      PS: another pet peeve is schedules that dont work on monday/friday, eliminating paid holidays (that every other employee in the office gets) for the most part.

    6. Re:You're in the wrong job. by jackofallbrandnames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quit you say? OK I'll quit my job, so give me your e-mail address so I can send the details for you to deposit money into my bank account to pay for all my bills and costs of living.

      Tip #1 -- Never quit your job until you have one to replace it.

      Unless someone can think of a communist country I can move to where being unemployed doesn't mean you starve to death or live on the streets.

      Unfortunately, this economic model causes poverty and starvation due to lack of resources. Why work extra or advance if there's no compensation for it and all people are paid the same? It makes you want to move to a country where you "can" advance.

      What's wrong with lies and trickery? It's not like the management are doing much work either. At my job I'm going to do the MINIMUM not to get sacked. Nothing more. They don't pay me enough to care about my job, they don't treat me well enough to care about my job, so I'm going to do as little as I can get away with.

      This quickly explains why you get passed up for advancement and pay raises. You offer nothing beyond your current value. It sounds like management has to waste time seeing if you will perform the MINIMUM.

      The few 'enjoyable' jobs available are taken, and only open to people skilled and experienced in their field, for everyone else it's a choice between a miserable job and the dole queue.

      You're so busy shirking, how do you expect to become the skilled or experienced to handle such a position?! Spend your spare time more wisely, even if just to advance your career so you can qualify for those 'enjoyable' jobs. Believe me, management will notice if you take this approach and put you beyond those lazy management dolts you complain about. The worst that can happen is you qualify for a better paying job.

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    7. Re:You're in the wrong job. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      This quickly explains why you get passed up for advancement and pay raises.

      There is no advancement or pay rises in my job. You just stay there until you retire. There's no ladder to climb. I've been here a year and they haven't even taught me to drive a fork lift, even though I need it for my job, and it takes like a day.

      You're so busy shirking, how do you expect to become the skilled or experienced to handle such a position?

      What position? I can't work full time and qualify for a better job.

      Believe me, management will notice if you take this approach and put you beyond those lazy management dolts you complain about.

      No they won't. What planet are you living on? You've clearly never seen my company. Perhaps you work in a large progressive company rather than a dead stagnant one. And why would they promote a 20 year old when there are people who've been there 20-30 years who know the place better than me and would deserve the job instead?

      The worst that can happen is you qualify for a better paying job.

      I've got a (slightly) better paying job, and they won't even pay me that, they pay me at my old rate. They don't even pay me a bonus so I'm getting like 25% less than anyone else doing the same job.

      I feel more like burning the place down than anything.

  9. setting back clock does nothing by germanStefan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While setting back you clock may fool some people, it wont fool anyone who knows about the "header" of an e-mail. A quick peek there and you find all the timestamps of each email server that passed the email along. If there is a "huge" gap inbetween when it was send form "localhost" and the first mailserver...something is up.

    Also this doesn't work if one uses webmail where one would have to reset the server's time.

    NOT that I don't resolve to such trickery once in a while. Most of our boses won't read the header of a message, and only the true geek has his e-mail viewer set to e-mail source instead of the nice outlook (evolution for me) display. If your cubicle is in a public place, virtual desktops comes in handy. gaim open on desktop 1, quickly move to desktop2 with source code open when you hear footsteps... or for the windows fans, alt tab to a full screen program where you have "actual work" open...

    I would be interested in what other slashdotters do, I'm sure we have some pretty original ideas.

    1. Re:setting back clock does nothing by NickFortune · · Score: 1
      NOT that I don't resolve to such trickery once in a while. [...] If your cubicle is in a public place, virtual desktops comes in handy. gaim open on desktop 1, quickly move to desktop2 with source code open when you hear footsteps... or for the windows fans, alt tab to a full screen program where you have "actual work" open...

      And if you only do it once in a while, you may well get away with it. Just be aware that it gets pretty easy to spot if someone jumps for the same key combo every time you approach their desk.

      Just because no one's said anything, it doesn't mean they don't realise what you're doing. Nor does it mean they will remain silent if you keep it up.

      That said, I had one colleague who used to do the same thing on the command line. He'd keep a vi session in the background, editing this program he'd had checked out for about three months. In the forground, he'd mess around, waste time, or do the crossword in the paper. When the boss asked what he was up to, he'd just type "fg" and say, "well, I'm still working on program foo.ca here..."

      How he got away with that one, I will never know.

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    2. Re:setting back clock does nothing by germanStefan · · Score: 1

      heh, oviously one shouldn't spend all day doing nothing. work should occupy almost the entire amount while your at work, but sometimes you hit a bug you can't fix and need time to think or relax...and if someone notices...use 3ddesktop pager program to switch between virtual desktops...usually it gets a "wow, cool" reaction from the non techies when they see things rotate and zoom in and out : )

    3. Re:setting back clock does nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How he got away with that one, I will never know."

      His supervisor may well have been doing the same thing. There are many an office across this land where whole weeks go by with no one doing anything. I firmly believe the legal workweek needs to be cut to under 30 hours a week. There are too many people employed to do busywork just to give them SOMEthing to do. The End of Work is a good read and makes a decent case for why really important work is really only done by a very small number of people.

    4. Re:setting back clock does nothing by Anonymous+Crowbar · · Score: 1

      Actually it can work on webmail systems providing the user has a shell account on the server and access to Time Machine, the forward-date testing tool. It can move a single users date forward or back in time without changing the system date for any other users.

    5. Re:setting back clock does nothing by germanStefan · · Score: 1

      hmmm interesting, whats the command on a *nix shell? I'm used to date, but that was only used as root to set the correct time.

    6. Re:setting back clock does nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or for the windows fans, alt tab to a full screen program where you have "actual work" open...

      Wow, I never knew about this alt-tab trick. You have just tripled my non-productivity at work! Thanks.

    7. Re:setting back clock does nothing by doombob · · Score: 1

      Alt + Tab is not the only solution for Windows XP users. Check out the Virtual Desktop Manager and the other Microsoft PowerToys for Windows XP. Tweak UI is my favorite.

    8. Re:setting back clock does nothing by Anonymous+Crowbar · · Score: 1

      It's not built in, you have to buy it. See: http://www.solution-soft.com/timemachine.shtml

  10. Counter productive by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Funny

    This seems likr a lot of effort to go through to not do nay work.

    1. Re:Counter productive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. try fixing other people's retarded code all day, and then say that.

  11. High technology? Doubtful. by stoph+ct · · Score: 4, Funny

    High-technology tricks once seen as the purview of hackers

    Such as actually using the features included in your e-mail client and changing your time settings? Amazing high technology hacker tricks. *rolls eyes*

  12. Message from the past by Lord+Dimwit+Flathead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, I am sending this into the future from 1908! How are you? I hope things are well in the 21st century! Anyway, I just wanted to say "hi". I'll let you get back to maintaining your underwater habitat and defending the Earth against the Martian aggressors now.

    This message was sent from planetary node Alpha-7 at 15:27 on March 17, 1908.

    1. Re:Message from the past by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      Honest technical question - is it even possible to set most computers to a date before 1970?

    2. Re:Message from the past by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hello, I am sending this into the future from 1908! How are you? I hope things are well in the 21st century! Anyway, I just wanted to say "hi". I'll let you get back to maintaining your underwater habitat and defending the Earth against the Martian aggressors now.

      Hang on... in 1908, shouldn't _you_ be defending the Earth from the Martian aggressors? Haven't you heard about the recent observations of green flares on the surface of Mars? If I were you, I'd set up some serious defences around Woking, especially on Horsell common. Just a hint, mind.

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    3. Re:Message from the past by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      yes.

      mac os's earliest time was january 1, 1904 for a long time.

      UNIX time is stored as a signed integer.

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  13. Nothing new... by Randseed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    *sigh* Nothing new here. Move along now.

  14. Obligatory Quote by Living+WTF · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work."

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  15. Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    The article describes instances of alienated workers using technology to get out of slaving at their their boring, meaningless jobs:
    "Instead of being a slave to technology, you can master it, you can make it look like you are working when and where you are not," said Marc Saltzman, 35, the author of "White Collar Slacker's Handbook" published in June.

    Saltzman says computer trickery has become mainstream as the not-super-tech savvy people seek ways of coping with a 24x7 work culture and the increasing inability of people to dodge uncomfortable questions in an era of "always-on" broadband, mobile phone and instant messaging connections.

    "Just because you can be reached everywhere doesn't mean you have to be in touch all the time," Saltzman said in a phone interview. "The question is how do you turn the tables?"


    It should be pointed out that this high-tech slackery and the widespread phenomenon of downloading music and other media are two aspects of a single process.

    What is happening is workers, reduced in today's "service economy" (subservience economy would be a better term) to little more that soulless drones, are rejecting the labor and property regimes imposed upon them by the ruling classes.

    Another instance of this historical turn is the acts of so-called "terrorism" taking place more and more often at present.

    While these acts are clearly atrocities, and those who perpetrate them must be stopped, it is only a matter of time before the masses wake up to the fact that religious extremism is a mere superstructural stand-in for a more direct oppostion to the capitalist-imperialist system, their true downpressor.

    Thus the global proletariat will eventually unite in opposition to the dehumanizing system of oligarchichal imperalist capital that today crushes so many spirits.

    Resistance is taking many forms these days. These are times for those who desire true human liberty to be optimistic.
    1. Re:Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ::mumbles::

      Bingo!

    2. Re:Marx predicted this by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did Marx predict the plethora of corruption and dictatorial suppression that is the very hallmark of communism? Or perhaps the almost complete and utter collapse of the various contries economys?

    3. Re:Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worldcom, Enron, Haliburton, uh...the current Republicans in Congress? Corruption is ingrained in the fabric of our country.

      When your own hall is littered with shit don't dis another's hall for being shitty itself.

    4. Re:Marx predicted this by drsquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What is happening is workers, reduced in today's "service economy" (subservience economy would be a better term) to little more that soulless drones, are rejecting the labor and property regimes imposed upon them by the ruling classes.

      What does that have to do with 'today'? You make it seem like in the history of mankind, workers have been anything more than soulless drones. Let's have a look back at history:

      Ancient Egypt: workers are mindless drones building Pyramids.
      Ancient Rome: workers are mindless drones building aqueducts and roads.
      Dark Ages: workers are mindless drones rowing boats and invading countries.
      Middle Ages: workers are mindless drones tilling fields for their feudal lords.
      Industrial Revolution: workers are mindless drones working in mills and down mines.
      Modern Day: workers are mindless drones working in offices and shops and factories.

      Nothing's changed, this isn't a 'prediction' by Marx, people have shunned work as much as possible since the dawn of time. In fact, these days the lowest rung of workers have the most stimulating work in history. Even punching numbers into a computer or writing programs is more stimulating than digging coal from seams. Stacking shelves is preferable to working in an 19th Century workhouse.

      I'm sure pyramid builders did as much as possible to do as little pyramid building as possible. Nothing has changed.

    5. Re:Marx predicted this by Neoprofin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's my freshman year of college again, and someone who just watched the Matrix is trying to look like the most enlightened philosopher in the world to impress drunk girls. Oh, and roll in a healthy dose of Marxist rhetoric, some rather shady connections (remember people, slacking and terrorism are two sides of the same card) and you've got a recipe for an insightful Slashdot post.

    6. Re:Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marx was an Alchemist trying to make gold. Alchemists gold tend to be lead with gold embellish. Back to the drawingboard.

    7. Re:Marx predicted this by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      are rejecting the labor and property regimes imposed upon them by the ruling classes

      Riiiight. Because we can all live the good life without lifting a finger, and everyone but the "ruling classes" hates the very idea of property. I assume you won't mind if I drop by and take your stereo, then?

      religious extremism is a mere superstructural stand-in for a more direct oppostion to the capitalist-imperialist system, their true downpressor.

      Religious extremism is like any other form of extremism; it isn't special. Extremism is just an excuse for one group of human beings to get their jollies by oppressing another group of human beings. All extremists are evil, and they all have the same goal.

      This also applies to political extremists who think that private property is the work of the devil and that the woes of the world are a direct result of "the capitalist-imperialist system".

      Thus the global proletariat will eventually unite in opposition to the dehumanizing system of oligarchichal imperalist capital that today crushes so many spirits.

      Okay, up until this point you had me. Good troll, up until the above sentence. It's just a bit too far out in whacko-land to take seriously.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    8. Re:Marx predicted this by TummyX · · Score: 1


      Enron


      Are you insane?

      You are trying to compare the corruption of one company whose CEO was punished by taking away his freedom (read: he was jailed) with the mass slaughter of communism, not to mention the outright theft of people's property and *LIBERTY*? Communism and liberty are not compatible -- that is all there is to it.

    9. Re:Marx predicted this by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Totalitarianism and liberty are not compatible. Communism is a system of commerce, not a system of government.

      --
      It's been a long time.
    10. Re:Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The corruption and dictatorialism only came about because Marxist movements were subverted by Imperialists!

      You asked. :-)

    11. Re:Marx predicted this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marx didn't predict the way a future society will work. He just analysed capitalist economy. Also the economy of the sovjet states was not based upon communism, but in fact was capitalism with a state monopoly.

    12. Re:Marx predicted this by TummyX · · Score: 1


      Communism is a system of commerce


      Bull. How can you say the legal theft of an individual's property has nothing to do with liberty? Why do you think communist implementations always require a totalitarian government to enforce such a theft?

    13. Re:Marx predicted this by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      But every communist system has had a totalitarian government. EVERY ONE!

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    14. Re:Marx predicted this by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      That's because communists aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. :-P

      --
      It's been a long time.
    15. Re:Marx predicted this by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Bull. How can you say the legal theft of an individual's property has nothing to do with liberty?

      The idea behind communism is that by eliminating the idea of property, you gain greater liberty because you won't be oppressed by those with much more than you.

      Why do all capitalist implementations always require rich stomping on the poor, and influencing the government by virtue only of their wealth? There's nothing in the intrinsic idea of capitalism which says this is a neccessity, but it happens. People are trash. Get over it.

      --
      It's been a long time.
    16. Re:Marx predicted this by NaDrew · · Score: 1
      someone who just watched the Matrix is trying to look like the most enlightened philosopher in the world to impress drunk girls
      Hmm, does that work? /me grabs the DVD...
      --
      Vista:XPSP2::ME:98SE
  16. Kids these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What ever happened to good ol' fashioned drawing eyes on your glasses so it looks like you're awake?

  17. Is it just me...? Or did someone else troll...? by Uber+Banker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    See subject.

  18. Strewth! by baadger · · Score: 1

    Slashdot needs to commission a documentary on the habits of these elusive slashdot "real programmer" while in their natural habitat.

    Anyone happen to know if Steve Irwin's up for he challenge?

    1. Re:Strewth! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Outback guy [on TV]: I've got to be careful. So what I'm gonna do is sneak up on him and jam my thumb in his butthole.

      Stan: Holy crap, dude!

      Outback guy [on TV]: If I get bit out here, I'm 200 kilometers from the nearest hospital. I better be real careful jamming my thumb in his butthole. [jumps into the water and wrestles the croc] Oh boy he's pissed of now!

      Kyle: Go dude go!

      Outback guy [on TV]: I'm gonna jam my thumb in his butthole now. This should really piss him off. [he
      jams his thumb in] [the croc makes a noise] Oh yeah that pissed him off alright!

      [the scamps cheer]

  19. Why? by Chasuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From what was described in the article, I don't understood how the "cheating" took any less effort than something novel like... doing the work.

    That's like friends I have who shorten "thanks" to "thnkx," because it saves them time. They're right! Wow, in 50 years, they might have saved enough time to watch an episode of South Park!

    1. Re:Why? by photon317 · · Score: 1


      The difference is that cheating can be engaging and entertaining to your brain, whereas most white-collar jobs these days are mind-numbing and pointless. But hey, society pays better for sitting on your ass in white-collar-land than it does to get out and do some real work, so that's what those who can will do.

      --
      11*43+456^2
    2. Re:Why? by hikerhat · · Score: 1

      I shorten it to "thx". So I'll be able to watch the south park movie!

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those friends of yours are probably Perl "hackers".

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's like friends I have who shorten "thanks" to "thnkx," because it saves them time. They're right! Wow, in 50 years, they might have saved enough time to watch an episode of South Park! "

      You forgot about the ammount of time it takes to look it up in a dictionary because they don't know how to spell.

    5. Re:Why? by spacespiff · · Score: 1

      I think you need new friends.

    6. Re:Why? by Cliff.Braun · · Score: 1

      Actually, i would think that thanks takes less time than thnkx because you have to move off the home row more. And being less serious you have to think about how much of an idiot you are, which the person on the other end does as well. Thx i can see, or TY, but thnkx makes you look like a moron. For the most part I try to avoid abbreviations in online conversations other than things like UT, BRB, or LOL. When I am actually saying something I wont type have u seen this? or I have to get ready 4 work. Basically, i don't mix acronyms or abbreviations with context.

  20. their ignorance is your bliss by FoxAche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like surfing the web with Lynx under Cygwin with the colors set to grays. To the average person who walks past it looks like I'm working. They think I'm doing some work using the command line. As the IT area in my office is too full I'm sitting in accounts where they have no clue what you are doing, but had I opened a web page in a regular browser it would look bad.

    1. Re:their ignorance is your bliss by springbox · · Score: 1

      That's good. I ssh into the systems at work to work with vim most of the time so I can get away with using things with colors like naim and people can't tell the difference.

    2. Re:their ignorance is your bliss by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      I like surfing the web with Lynx under Cygwin with the colors set to grays.
      I do it on the actual server console, so when the boss goes by, it looks like I'm working on something ***VERY*** crucial, so he doesn't bother me with his stupid pointless concerns...
  21. Tricks by Ratbert42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know plenty of guys that leave their desk set up so you'd have no idea they left for the day. A jacket on the back of their chair, a cup of coffee next to the keyboard, an open document, keys on the desk, etc.

    One I discovered is that you can take a full-sized screenshot and use Windows XP's built-in slideshow screensaver to display that as a locked screensaver. Hide your clock, take a shot of a Word document, and your locked, idle PC looks like you're in the middle of work.

    1. Re:Tricks by danila · · Score: 1

      Why not just disable the screensaver and leave a document open?

      --
      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
  22. Fight Club by KrisCowboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Start your own Fight Club and have fun. Screw the work. Screw the boss. Screw all that sh!t you buy even though you don't need it. If this is your first night of Fight Club - you got to fight. And this is a damn offtopic post.

    1. Re:Fight Club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks on-topic to me...

    2. Re:Fight Club by Horrortaxi · · Score: 1

      But he's breaking the first 2 rules of Fight Club.

  23. No thanks by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no way I'm working that hard to avoid working. I'll goof off the old fashion way, thank you very much.

    1. Re:No thanks by noidentity · · Score: 1

      But this is open-source! You can reuse the instructions freely.

  24. Misread that for a moment by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was out to go buy myself a few grammes of coke

    --
    The only things certain in war are Propaganda and Death. You can never be sure which is which though
    1. Re:Misread that for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ticket to ride, white line highway
      Tell all your friends, they can go my way
      Pay your toll, sell your soul
      Pound for pound costs more than gold
      The longer you stay, the more you pay
      My white lines go a long way
      Either up your nose or through your vein
      With nothin to gain except killin' your brain

      You've got to love Grandmaster Flash.

  25. These days... by Neticulous · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Its all about the money... "Hey, this blogging thing could make me money if I spend 30 minutes spare time writing up random stuff!" REAL bloggers dont do it for the money, dont even have ads, and just do it to give visitors information about their personal life, or information on whatever the blogs topic is. If there were a new form of "blog" that didnt have ads, and werent meant to create revenue those would be the "blogs" to visit IMO.

    1. Re:These days... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      It takes time to write blogs, many peoples blogs if you look at the amount of crap they post simply must take up a significant portion of their time to write, so it's not exactly wrong for bloggers to attempt to make money through ad revenue when in actual fact if they can sustain it there is no reason they shouldn't attempt the smart thing to do.

    2. Re:These days... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Pssst. This article has nothing to do with blogs! (ass hat)

      --

      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    3. Re:These days... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      I had multiple windows open, asshat, so I accidentally replied to the wrong thread. So bloody what?

  26. Productivity is not measurable by fraxinus-tree · · Score: 2

    or, at least, not when you compare between different businesses, cultures or payments.
    So, american (resident) workers are lazier, compared to, well, the mexican workers in the same company, same position and for the same particular task.

  27. Workers pretending to work? by postgrep · · Score: 1

    Oh noes! A new epidemic!

  28. White lies? by Heliode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I read the title, I thought it was about the kind of white lies you tell users who get stressed out with their computer, in order to not make it too technical for them. "The big yellow 'E' was the source of the naked women who scared little timmy. Now when you want to get to your internet, just click the red fox on the blue ball. That's your internet now. Also, the blue bird with the envelope will get your mail for you now." Or when you try to hold your laughter when a user walks up to you and proudly declares he bought a "harder disk" for his movies, and just say "really? Thats cool." (pretty hard that one, though)

    --
    Fox can take the sky from you.
    1. Re:White lies? by CypherXero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean "blue", not "yellow". IE has never been yellow, unless I'm colorblind.

  29. WHITE lies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    White lies are supposed to be the small, harmless lies you use to reduce friction when interacting with others. Things like saying "I'm doing fine" in response to "How are you", or "No, honey, that dress doesn't make you look fat."

    What is so white and harmless about just pretending instead of doing the work you're paid to do?

  30. Another ad on /. by LBt1st · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seemed more like an ad for a book. I'll admit I only read half TFA because you need javascript enabled just to view the 2nd page. -Kevin

  31. I suppose you could by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Funny

    You could spend a lot of time and effort avoiding working.

    But that's work. A true slacker wouldn't. Nor would a true slacker write a book about it, or read one.

    A REAL slacker wouldn't even bother to fini

    --
    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  32. When you're already there, it's too late! by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Far better to avoid going to work in the first place. If I'm going to slack on company time, I'd rather do it at home, or at the beach, or pretty much anywhere but work, thank you very much. And low-tech solutions are usually the best - the ones where you know some 1337 sysadmin isn't going to be able to dig up evidence against you.

    My favourite low-tech solution, like so many good ideas, was invented in desperation. Beautiful sunny day, and I was supposed to go and cook hamburgers in a sweltering kitchen which was in an airport terminal - and the terminal was essentially a massive greenhouse. No way. There's really only one way to guarantee getting out of work when your work involves food, and that's to have food poisoning or diarrhoea. But everyone gets the shits when the sun comes out. No problemo.

    I prepared a squeezy bottle, filling it about two-thirds full of water, cleared the route to the toilet, and put the lid down. Then I went back into my room and called in sick.

    "Hello, is that Gav? ... Sorry, Gav, I'm not going to make it in... diarrhoea, I think it was the fish I had last night... Gav, I know every other bastard has called in sick already, but I'm - hold on!" With that, I ran, phone in one hand and squeezy bottle in the other, along the hallway, burst into the bathroom, flung the seat up with a clatter, sat down, pointed the squeezy bottle between my legs and down into the pan, squeezed it and groaned like hell. Squeezing and releasing the bottle would result in a wonderful mix between high-pressure-liquid sounds and farting sounds, which echoed around the pan and in turn the bathroom. Acoustically, it was perfect.

    Finally, gasping, I said, "Gav, you still there? ...Sorry man... yeah, you're right, I'd better have tomorrow off too."

    I had to buy some factor 50 sunblock so I didn't have an awkward tan to explain, but by God it was worth it.

    1. Re:When you're already there, it's too late! by markild · · Score: 1

      Beautiful.. Just beautiful! :D

      --
      Scully: Should we arrest David Copperfield?
      Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
    2. Re:When you're already there, it's too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol. Clearly you should be promoted to an executive level position. Or perhaps Congress. That kind of bullshitting talent shouldn't go to waste.

    3. Re:When you're already there, it's too late! by swiggidy · · Score: 5, Funny

      My friend's dad ran a company that had sick days and personal days. One dude was out of personal days and called in.

      "I'm sick"
      "What's wrong"
      "Something is wrong with my eyes"
      "What's wrong with your eyes"
      "I can't see my ass coming in to work today"

  33. The Culture of Lying by Blancmange · · Score: 1

    It's really scary that some people feel the need to go all Cathartic and use the term "White Lie" as if they meant it. Jo Hos go as far to call their lies Theocratic War Strategy. I'm starting to suspect that it's really true that hardly anyone in (the densly populated parts of) the U.S.A. can't cope with life without lying at least once or twice a day?

    Lies are poison. People to habitually tell even small lies are doomed to have or to continue to have really crappy lives. No divine justice entity required.

    --
    Blancmange
    1. Re:The Culture of Lying by kmmatthews · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, were you trying to say something comprehensible?

      :)

      --
      feh. stuff.
    2. Re:The Culture of Lying by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was a book out recently called the cheating culture. I highly recommend it as it points out the cheating is a systemic problem in all levels, from school to business, and that it's pretty damaging to long term values. It also points out interestingly enough that in a lot of other countries such widespread cheating would lead to a revolt however in America the poor can cheat just as much as the rich. So everyone gets into a self perpetuating mindset of 'everyone else is cheating so why does it matter' thus continuing the vicious cycle.

    3. Re:The Culture of Lying by nunchux · · Score: 1

      It's really scary that some people feel the need to go all Cathartic and use the term "White Lie" as if they meant it. Jo Hos go as far to call their lies Theocratic War Strategy. I'm starting to suspect that it's really true that hardly anyone in (the densly populated parts of) the U.S.A. can't cope with life without lying at least once or twice a day?

      Haven't you ever had a corporate job? Have you ever had two or three managers giving you conflicting deadlines or different interpretations of the same instructions? Managers don't tend to like it when you favor one over the other in your priorities.

      Have you ever tried to be honest and say "I'm too busy, I can't do this now?" or "I can't meet your deadline, I need more time?" You can only do that so many times before someone who doesn't use the word "can't" is there to fill your job.

      Have you ever been given a completely arbitrary deadline that you just don't have time to meet, and know that it's not really urgent that it's due then anyway? I have a boss who ALWAYS wants projects finished by 5pm-- even though she's at the office at the other side of down most afternoons, and never actually looks at the work until the next morning. If I need a few extra hours and finish at 7 or 8 but backdate it to 5, she doesn't notice. But if I don't fudge the dates she calls me on it. It's not that the project is actually needed by 5-- it's that she set a time she wanted it by, and if I couldn't meet it she perceives it as disrespect to her authority. And I wish that was an isolated example...

      It's unfortunate, but fudging send dates here or there or creative use of voicemail is mandatory when dealing with real-world egos. Call it lying if you will, but see how long you really last if you're completely honest all the time.

    4. Re:The Culture of Lying by Blancmange · · Score: 1

      > Have you ever had two or three managers giving you conflicting deadlines or
      > different interpretations of the same instructions?

      I've never had a corporate job, but I have had multiple bosses in a mildly dilbertesue environment. I just point out the conflict and make it the problem of the bosses.

      > Managers don't tend to like it when you favor one over the
      > other in your priorities

      That's usually no problem. If you make it clear to both that one must countermand the other, you can safely evade responsibility. If you can't determine a sensible rank, go by who you like. Nothing bad will happen to you if you cause one boss to suffer and one to have a great time.

      > Have you ever been given a completely arbitrary
      > deadline that you just don't have time to meet,

      Lots and lots, but only from one boss of a small company. The deadlines are so outrageous my slimy boss does the lying. I just do what I can, usually what I think is the best job to do. The Company is Not Important.

      > I have a boss who ALWAYS wants projects finished by 5pm.

      It's probably a TPS report. I trust you've seen Office Space. You know what to do. :)

      --
      Blancmange
  34. Smoke and mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    For years now, machines are increasingly doing what people used to do.

    An acre is about what one man with a horse and plough, can plough in a day. A man with a tractor and plough, can plough thirty times that in a day, with ease.

    Design it, build it, then deliver it - the rest is information.

    We now have machinery to process that information. This machinery is called a computer.

    The information is:- What do we need? Where do we need it? Is the quality of what we need correct and are we getting value for money?

    Things do not need to be sold, all that needs to be done, is the information of what we need and how to obtain it, needs to be collated.

    All the people who travel to work to sit in front of a computer, waste a collossal amount of time and energy - they could sit in front of the self same computer at home. All the immence amout of time and energy that offices consume is wasted energy. All the time and energy building offices is wasted energy, all offices do is process information nothing else.

    Perhaps the real reason it is so easy to pretend to be at work is it was not really work in the first place.

    1. Re:Smoke and mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      could work eye gas? even more useful, although you are not likely to see it in amongst the 'stuff that matters': breathing properly. for some reason that doesn't get a lot of press. could be because there's no phonIE monIE to be made on it? nothing to click on? no patentdead invasion of privacy payper liesense hypenosys to go with it? from a related post: corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits (Score:mynuts won, free again?) by already_gone (848753) on Friday July 08, @08:57AM (#13012644) as there are none. fortunately there's an 'army' of angels, coming yOUR way do not be afraid/dismayed, it is the way it was meant to be. the only way out is up. the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. beware the illusionary smoke&mirrors.con all is not lost/forgotten. no need to fret (unless you're associated/joined at the hype with, unprecedented evile), it's all just a part of the creators' wwwildly popular, newclear powered, planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. or, is it (literally) ground hog day, again? many of US are obviously not interested in how we appear (which is whoreabull) from the other side of the 'lens', or even from across the oceans. vote with (what's left in) yOUR wallet. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi life0cidal glowbull warmongering execrable. we still haven't read (here) about the 2/3'rds of you kids who are investigating/pursuing a spiritual/conscience/concious re-awakening, in amongst the 'stuff that matters'? another big surprise? some of US should consider ourselves very fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc.... as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the corepirate nazi life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys. consult with/trust in yOUR creators. providing more than enough of everything for everyone (without any distracting/spiritdead personal gain motives), whilst badtolling unprecedented evile, using an unlimited supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there? "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

  35. George Costanza's First Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always pretend to be annoyed. People think you're really busy when you look annoyed.

  36. So, my mail server went down for several hours. by b00m3rang · · Score: 1

    It happens.

    1. Re:So, my mail server went down for several hours. by baadger · · Score: 1

      Not really. If your SMTP server went down then you wouldn't have been able to send the mail in the first place. The first Received: header in the chain (that isn't fake) should have a date (taking into account timezones) nearly the same as your own.

      It wouldn't explain the time difference.

    2. Re:So, my mail server went down for several hours. by b00m3rang · · Score: 1

      I mean, the mail server on my localhost lost connectivity to the smarthost, or something. Anyway, it's only management you're trying to fool anyway, right?

  37. This is why companies fall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and people blame management all the time... tsk tsk tsk

  38. I waste my employer's money the old fashioned way by museumpeace · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to rename all the executables for my playthings to the application names for editing, compiling, archiving and so on. [Its good to have privs.] If they sniffed my processes, I look like I'm bustin my hump for 'em

    --
    SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
  39. As Confucius says.... by Emperor+Stalin · · Score: 2, Insightful


    "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

  40. Isn't tabbed browsing great? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bit confusing sometimes, though...

  41. how is this news by root-kun · · Score: 1

    ive been doing this shit to get out of work for 5 years or so :p

  42. I hope IT guys know the dangers of changing times by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

    I once changed the system clock on a computer by accident. It managed to lock me out of a critical app, heavy on the DRM, and caused me to have to spend 30 minutes to an hour online with the key-gods to get me back into the app. I can think of other problems caused by a date change, as well, especially in a corporate environment.

    If the goal here is stress relief...messing with the clock may not be the right direction to head in!

    Usurper_ii

  43. Tip for mobiles in the UK by caluml · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tip: In the UK, forward your mobile to a friend, and get them to forward back to you. Anyone dialling either of you will get the "network error" message.

  44. Liability. by vhold · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anybody was on to you, they could sit down at your desk and do some nefarious things under your network login and you'd be ultra hosed.

    Sure, you could pretty much no matter what with physical access to the machine, but not locking up at night would practically be inviting it.

    1. Re:Liability. by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This happens to people where I work regularly - most people there are pretty security conscious, and when someone brain-farts and walks off leaving their machine unlocked for more than just a few minutes, they're as likely as not to come back to an open IM window with some kind of inappropriate message to a same-sex co-worker having been entered some time before by some anonymous party. Pretty much everyone does it, so the recipient of the message will usually make some kind of remark about the IM they received to the security-challenged party, with an admonishment to lock their machine in the future. It's kind of a self-correcting system, or will be until someone gets pissed off and calls the Compliance people.

      --
      Please stand clear of the doors, por favor mantenganse alejado de las puertas
    2. Re:Liability. by fermion · · Score: 1
      Back in the day it was much simpler. When we saw a terminal that was logged in, we just set the first line in the login script to logout, and then log the person out.

      The poor user would try to login several times, then go to support. It was a gentle way to remind people about security.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    3. Re:Liability. by qwerty823 · · Score: 1

      I like the much better way of adding a:

      echo "sleep 1" >> .chsrc

      To the end of their .cshrc file

      * Substitute .login / .profile / etc as appropriate.

    4. Re:Liability. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Nahh....fork bomb ;)

  45. Conservatives are morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    American workers are already being called the laziest in the world (by conservatives, mind you) while statistics show them to be among the most productive (overall, if not per hour).

    If conservatives had their way they'd abolish things like statistics (and learning in general) then state conjecture about 'lazy american workers' as fact and vehemently deny that it was otherwise while spinning it back on liberals as a form of 'commie pinko' support of the working class.

    Just remember it's the hard, intelligent, innovative real Americans outside the quasi-work of politics that do all the work in business, industry etc. that supports these asswipes, gives them a forum to air their views and made America such a great nation in the first place.

    1. Re:Conservatives are morons by erlenic · · Score: 1

      Who do you think does all that real work in business, industry, etc.? The true building of America is from the entrepreneurs, who happen to be mostly conservative.

    2. Re:Conservatives are morons by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And of course being typical Slashdot moderators you got a +1 Insightful for should have been +5 Not-Knowing-What-The-Hell-You're-Talking-About by applying "conservatives" with the broadest brush possible. What we have in Washington are not conservatives. They're nothing more that political grandstandards who hide behind the conservative shielf because they think it wins them brownie points of some kind, not that this matters to the 75% of /. mods who seem to wring their hands waiting for a good ol' anti-conservative post to come along just so they can mod it up whether or not it has any basis in fact.

      You should have added an anti-Fox News statements as well as an anti-Bush statement so that the mods could have given you a +5 insightful.

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    3. Re:Conservatives are morons by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      And the reason entrepreneurs are mostly conservatives is because they work hard for their money and they don't like it when the government taxes it away.

      Entrepreneurs need to keep all the capital they can to move their business forward. I guess the libs don't understand that since their preferred method of raising capital is to just raise taxes (while conservatives would rather stimulate the economy to generate more tax dollars).

    4. Re:Conservatives are morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush is a fucking moron. Fuck him and all the conservatives/republicans. If they only got laid more often, maybe this country wouldn't be in such a fucked state right now. I say bring back Bill Clinton, give him a slutty bitch for an intern, and let the economy explode! :)
      If you knock Bill down, that just means you don't ever get any pussy you fucking fag!

    5. Re:Conservatives are morons by brsmith4 · · Score: 1

      And those conservatives are doing a wonderful job of stimulating the economy now, right?

      From the loud-mouthed Coulter-Hannity types, we learn two things:

      A) Liberals hate America
      B) Liberals do not understand Market Economics

      Judging by the state of the American economy, Conservatives are the ones who do not understand the market economy (e.g. you cannot continually pilfer from the system and expect the system to remain profitable and productive), and their complete and utter lack of resolve to do anything to fix the current situation tells me that they hate America more than the Liberals.

    6. Re:Conservatives are morons by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      The economy is strong. I don't know what you're talking about. 94+% of the country is employed. The stock market is doing well. Are you better or worse off today than when the libs started their downward fall in popularity (after y2k election)?

    7. Re:Conservatives are morons by dtungsten · · Score: 1

      And those conservatives are doing a wonderful job of stimulating the economy now, right?

      Well, the economy was stimulated enough to actually reduce the deficit a bit. Not that I think it's going to continue that trend, but it does prove that it is possible to increase revenues without increasing taxes.

      I think the real problem is that *no one* really totally understands the market economy, in the sense that it can be controlled, any more than we can control the weather. It's a very complex, dynamic system. Which also means that the situation can be easily spun to support any viewpoint.

    8. Re:Conservatives are morons by brsmith4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's nice that you can remember government figures... but if memory serves, we're at the tail-end of a soon-to-bust housing bubble, employment is much worse than released figures would have you believe (it only counts those who are still receiving unemployment benefits, which stop after 6 months, and not all unemployed opt to receive said benefits), CONSUMER inflation is not at a rate of 3% a year but is closer to 10-12% per year. CORPORATE inflation, due to tax cuts and imports from countries like China is below 1% which, when factored with Consumer inflation, brings it to around 3% (corporations are much larger buyers than we are as consumers, not only to they by the "stuff" that makes their product, but also their means of production). Look at the cost of going to the grocery store, the price of gas, the cost of housing, and the interest rates on unsecured debt. Maybe you were one of the lucky ones to get a nice job that offset these figures, but most people are not in that boat. Life is becoming much tougher, financially, to contend with.

      Let's also not mention the ever widening trade deficit as we try to compete in a global economy where our wealth is being purposefully siphoned off into developing nations. How about the national debt?

      It boils down to this: there are sectors of the economy that are experiencing very high profits (energy, housing, Military services). This performance is so very high that it currently offsets the poorly performing "rest of the market". That is not a "strong economy", that is an end-of-life "bubble economy". What do you think will happen when the housing bubble comes to an end and all of those fools who financed a $300k house are now sitting on only $100k in assets and another $200k in remaining debt (in the form of a mortgage) on their recently devalued property? Yeah buddy, the economy is strong, unemployment is not an issue and little green leprechauns will be at your door shortly with a big pot of gold for the hard working American family.

    9. Re:Conservatives are morons by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to argue all of your points, but I'll say this. Everyone agrees rising health care costs are one of the major problems our country is currently facing. A rapidly escalating subset of problems within this field is STDs, which often lead to one of the other issues: infertility. Given that the rabid fucking within our society is contributing to many of our problems, I'd say getting laid MORE often would be low on my list of advice for people. Especially people who don't believe in wearing condoms.

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    10. Re:Conservatives are morons by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

      Close! Very close! (You're salivating a bit too much at the edges of your mouth though.)

      Now, try it again, this time with less frothing at the mouth. And don't forget to throw in the obligatory anti-Fox News rant!

      Come on! You can do it! Just keep concentrating on that +5 insightful! You'll get it if you keep trying!

      Now, try it again...

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  46. Oh, that's easy by springbox · · Score: 1

    Where I work people don't care if I'm working at any given moment. They just care if I get stuff done -- eventually -- as in a reasonable amount of time. Whee. If people really wanted to waste time at work I'm sure they would have figured out a few tricks on their own by now.

  47. MOD UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Parent makes a good point. I realise how bad todays system with corruption and amoral capitalism, but I also realise on the other hand some of us in the west have also never had it so good. The thing is humans in social situation are going to try climb the dominance hierarchy anyway they can. I think it's even been shown in game theory that anyone who cooperates will always swap to competing if another actor starts competing. You can't stop it. It's sad and it sucks.

    Me personally, I'm a 'disgruntled idealist' who has tried to find ways to come to grips with such things. A good quote that comes to mind was from the military strategist John Boyd.

    "One day you will come to a fork in the road. And you're going to have to make a decision about what direction you want to go." [Boyd] raised his hand and pointed. "If you go that way you can be somebody. You will have to make compromises and you will have to turn your back on your friends. But you will be a member of the club and you will get promoted and you will get good assignments." Then Boyd raised the other hand and pointed another direction. "Or you can go that way and you can do something - something for your country and for your Air Force and for yourself. If you decide to do something, you may not get promoted and you may not get the good assignments and you certainly will not be a favorite of your superiors. But you won't have to compromise yourself. You will be true to your friends and to yourself. And your work might make a difference." He paused and stared. "To be somebody or to do something. In life there is often a roll call. That's when you will have to make a decision. To be or to do? Which way will you go?"

  48. What?? by RWerp · · Score: 1

    He cited a recent case of nine-year-olds who scanned dollar bills into a computer, printed out the fakes and used them to buy snacks at their school's cafeteria.

    This only proves that cafeteria staff was composed of idiots. It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a genuine bank note and a computer printout.

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    "Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." (John Maynard Keynes)
    1. Re:What?? by rabel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, where I went to school the cafeteria staff was composed of good-natured PhD's who just enjoyed providing high quality food products for the youth of their community.

    2. Re:What?? by wombert · · Score: 1

      You don't need a PhD to tell the difference between a real bill and an inkjet printout. They certainly don't hire all PhDs to work bank vaults where deposits are counted and scanned for fakes. Nor do they hire all PhDs to work the checkout stands at WalMart or 7Eleven, but even those employees are generally saavy enough to tell a cheap counterfeit.

      Maybe the difference is that no one expects the kids to bring in counterfeit currency for such small purchases, so they see no need to have even the most basic training for the staff collecting the money. (Bbut still, an inkjet copy on regular paper?? Maybe the staff is just too busy moving the line to notice something fishy about a $1 bill.)

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    3. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those kids got caught. How would the incident have been cited in the article if they had gotten away with it?

      "...doesnt take a genius to..."

    4. Re:What?? by RWerp · · Score: 1

      But the message of TFA was that 9-year olds printing bank notes on an inkjet printer are a real threat.

      --
      "Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." (John Maynard Keynes)
    5. Re:What?? by RWerp · · Score: 1

      I don't think that school cafeteria staff is as busy as supermarket clerks.

      --
      "Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." (John Maynard Keynes)
  49. forwarded as a test message by hhawk · · Score: 1

    I'm a bad typist and always making errors but I love the way the reported called what I assume is a TEXT message a TEST message...

    "have the IM message forwarded as a test message (a separate mobile phone technology that works in similar ways to IM on computers), Saltzman suggests."

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  50. Funerals! by hotspotbloc · · Score: 4, Funny
    I was once working for a pretty lousy company that only gave five sick days a year and after that you'd get "written up" (forget getting vacation time since it took months to approve). Unless you had a MD's note, three absents after that in the same calender year got you fired. Well, they did allow people to go funerals without a problem so I would look through the obituaries, pick out a funeral for the same day I wanted off, scan the obituary of the funeral notice, photoshop my family name in the relatives section and enjoy the day off. One summer I had so many relatives "die" the boss pushed through some vacation time (during crunch time) for me to properly "grieve". Said grieving took place on a beach on Cape Cod for a week.

    Talk about putting the "fun" in funeral.

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    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
    1. Re:Funerals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similar sickday policy at one of my former employers, except you were allowed to take individual sick days but were only paid for 5 per year unless you got a Dr's note (and you needed a note if you were sick 2 or more days in a row after using up your 5 or they'd can you). I don't know how expensive it would be for Americans (do you have free walk-in clinics?) but in Canada it wasn't a big deal. We'd just go to a clinic on the way home or the next day, see a doctor and say: "doc! my nutty boss wants you to write me a note because of my migraines/cough/permanent erection". And the Dr would always do it, no hassle. The company's policy only served as a deterrent against calling in with chronic hangovers 'cause you'd still have to get out of bed eventually.

    2. Re:Funerals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You BASTARD!

      Consider yourself fired. Don't even bother collecting your stuff.

    3. Re:Funerals! by haralder · · Score: 3, Funny
      This is not soo easy, a coworker had a problem when his third grandfather died.

      As a quote I like says, you have to be inteligent to be able to be lazy!

    4. Re:Funerals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We get 3 sick days, 5 vacation days, automatic firing if we miss more than 8 days within the year without doctor's note.

      If we are absent more than one day in a row, we need a doctor's note or we'll be fired at the end of our second day of not showing up.

    5. Re:Funerals! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? I have three grandfathers, two by blood and one by marriage. You just have to set the back story properly.

  51. I did that... by Farrside · · Score: 1

    Worked graveyard at an ISP on it's way down (not my fault). I lived the dream and caught at least 3 hours a night under my desk.

  52. Re:I waste my employer's money the old fashioned w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just a Windows-using office peon but I do the exact same thing.

    C:\Program Files\Windows NT\Accessories\wordpad.exe is actually the DOS version of nethack.

    Adds a bit of fun to the game as well. Sure, it doesn't say things like, "You hear a manager behind the boulder, perhaps that is why you cannot move it." but there is a bit more suspense when playing the game at work that I enjoy.

    The fact that our office is freezing cold and as colorful as a dungeon adds to the enchantment as well. :p

  53. Play games at work by Zebra1024 · · Score: 1

    My favorite was an old submarine simulator game (I think it was Gato) for the IBM PC. It had a special keystroke that would instantly change the screen to look like a spreadsheet application. This was in the days of DOS so the spreadsheet looked like 123.
    I thought this was a cool feature to help people to be able to play games at work. It also probably helped with sales because at this time not as many people owned home computers.

    1. Re:Play games at work by CheechWizz · · Score: 1

      Yeah that used to be a common feature for most games. The so-called "boss key".
      Yet another innovation stifled by Microsoft when they introduced alt-tab.
      Altough the game will still be visible in the taskbar but there's an easy work around, a background image that includes a taskbar with work related apps open. Just hide the real taskbar and all day long WoW sessions can commence!

    2. Re:Play games at work by ytm · · Score: 1
      My favorite was an old submarine simulator game (I think it was Gato) for the IBM PC. It had a special keystroke that would instantly change the screen to look like a spreadsheet application. This was in the days of DOS so the spreadsheet looked like 123.
      Silent Service and Gunship had this 'boss-key' feature.
    3. Re:Play games at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > there's an easy work around, a background image
      > that includes a taskbar with work related apps
      > open. Just hide the real taskbar and all day long
      > WoW sessions can commence!

      I...

      I love you. *sniff*

      (Don't worry, I'm a chick. ;)

    4. Re:Play games at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow a chick on /. , whatever next?

    5. Re:Play games at work by WMD_88 · · Score: 1
      Tetris and some clones of it had this thing. The orginal game looked like sales figures in 123. The other Tetris clone I remember was just endless pages of random numbers.

      Rogue had this too. It made a fake command prompt open (abeit one that didn't accept any commands).

      I've also heard that a certain version of Minesweeper has this, where hitting Escape would make it go down to the taskbar and say Excel instead of Minesweeper.

  54. Pictures? by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, we had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow wearing a sun dress, just to submit our punchcards to the mainframe guy!

    Uh, got any pictures?

  55. Congratulations on your fine appraisal of me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a conservative I would like to congratulate you for finally figuring us out. In truth we have wanted nothing more than to destroy America and everything you hold dear. I would love to abolish statistics, science, and anything else youfeel like accusing me of without just cause. You commie pinko whatever you said thing...

    Honestly, you went so far you fell off the left wing buddy...

  56. Gaston Lagaffe by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Gimme the work. Finally, it's going to be less tiring doing it than trying to avoid doing it...
    Those who read french undoubtely know Gaston Lagaffe (Gaston The-Blunder), a comic character who works in the children's magazine it is published. Being lazy, he eithers find ways to avoid working by sleeping on the job, inventing goofy machines to do the work (often with catastrophic results) or simply help pass the time he is at work (either by playing or cooking).

    The comic strip ran for almost forty-five years and grew-up; at some point, you could see that several of the characters (the cop always trying to ticket him for illegal parking, his immediate bosses, the businessmen trying, for all that time, to sign some contracts) had quite serious neuroses, with Gaston always seeming to be the more sane character...

  57. Higher pay = less work by boring,+tired · · Score: 1

    One thing that's kind of surprised me over the years is that the higher my job pays, the less difficult and stressful the job seems to be. I started in high school as a store clerk, and slowly moved from there to become a system admin today. There's more skill and responsibility required as you move up, but there's also a lot less stress. I "own" the job I have now. I make my own rules. I have to be prepared to work long hours or weekends if the need arises, but overall I'm a lot more relaxed and happy today than I was way back when. They don't tell you this stuff in school.

  58. You're in the wrong company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Unless you start your own business and all that, of course most businesses fail in the first year."

    I suggest people look at how those numbers are computed. Apperances can be deceiving.

  59. Bill Gates: Visionary by Monte · · Score: 1

    There was also a chance that you could plug a personal computer into the intarwebs and not have it pwned!!1! inside of twelve minutes.

    I mean, as long as we're playing "What If" and all.

    1. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by dknj · · Score: 1

      how do you figure? the reason why windows is targeted so much is because its a popular platform. what's to say if linux takes over worms and trojans won't appear in full force for that os? sorry, with or without bill gates we'd still have black hats and firewalls would still be a crucial part of our life.

    2. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Jackmn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With a typical Linux installation, a compromised process only has as much access as the user name it was run under. That is, a virus that remotely compromises a process will not have root access. Just about every Linux distrubution comes near to forcing this type of setup - it is possible to get around it, but it is far more work than simply going with it.

      This is in stark contrast to the typical Windows configuration, where any remotely compromised process grants the attacker full access to the machine. It is possible to set up limited user rights, but this breaks a great deal of software. Also, such a setup is not encouraged by the Windows installer.

    3. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so a virus will just be able to run amok in $HOME. That's protection, all right.

    4. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      With a typical Linux installation, a compromised process only has as much access as the user name it was run under. That is, a virus that remotely compromises a process will not have root access.

      Now, assuming this is a typical end user PC (to make the Windows comparison valid), why does this matter ?

    5. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Jackmn · · Score: 1

      Because the virus will likely not be able to use the machine to spread, or at the very least it won't be able to modify any executables, so a simple restart will fix it.

      Plus a simple cron job can be designed to back up user files to a non user-writeable directory.

    6. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a typical Linux installation, a compromised process only has as much access as the user name it was run under. That is, a virus that remotely compromises a process will not have root access.

      The problem is that the average user would complain their machine is broken when they can't do something because they don't have root access.

    7. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Because the virus will likely not be able to use the machine to spread, [...]

      Why not ? Think about the most popular vectors for malicious code for the last ten years, then explain which of those a program running as a regular user couldn't do.

      [...] or at the very least it won't be able to modify any executables, so a simple restart will fix it.

      This hasn't been a particularly common method of malware propogation for a _very_ long time. It's not like OS-level binary executable files are shared between machines very often these days.

      Not to mention all those wonderful "user friendly" frontends to sudo banging around these days - conveniently giving $RANDOM_BINARY an easy way to prompt the user to elevate its permissions.

      Plus a simple cron job can be designed to back up user files to a non user-writeable directory.

      Who is going to set it up and manage it ?

    8. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Monte · · Score: 1

      how do you figure?

      Those Windows Updates aren't patching the operating system's popularity.

    9. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Jackmn · · Score: 1

      This hasn't been a particularly common method of malware propogation for a _very_ long time. It's not like OS-level binary executable files are shared between machines very often these days.

      A virus that cannot write to any executable files is dead on restart. Such a virus will not stick around for long.

      Sasser modified system executables that run on startup. That is why it was so effective - the infected machine helped propagate the virus until it was fixed.

      Not to mention all those wonderful "user friendly" frontends to sudo banging around these days - conveniently giving $RANDOM_BINARY an easy way to prompt the user to elevate its permissions.
      True enough. But then, there can be no security if the user doesn't know what s/he is doing. At some point programs have to be able to run with elevated permissions, and the user has to be the one to decide what should and should not be run.


      Who is going to set it up and manage it ?

      Hopefully the distro. It's simple enough and effective enough that such a system should be provided by the more user friendly distributions.

    10. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Mozk · · Score: 1

      What's to stop a keylogger? It wouldn't be that hard to find the root password then.

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    11. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      "A virus that cannot write to any executable files is dead on restart. Such a virus will not stick around for long."

      You could still shove whatever you want into bashrc, ~/.xinitrc, etc.

      As for the backup idea, its a pointless comparison. If users took proper preventive measures, none of this would be a problem. But they don't, so it is.

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      Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
    12. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Greventls · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Linux zealots for the most part can't understand that. If Linux was number 1, it would have just as many problems as windows. The issue isn't the OS overall, it is the user. Good windows users don't get infected with crap, it is the lazy/ignorant people. After having to log out and then back in as root a couple times, the typical user is just going to say screw it and always log in as root. Then we will be back where we started. And then what home user is going to willingly lock themselves down anyway? They will want full control, they own the machine.

    13. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1
      What's to stop a keylogger? It wouldn't be that hard to find the root password then.

      If the attacker needs to be root to hook the keyboard handling at the moment of entering the root password, he gets a catch 22.

    14. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      A virus that cannot write to any executable files is dead on restart. Such a virus will not stick around for long.

      It is trivial to get something to start on login (~/.bashrc, etc).

      True enough. But then, there can be no security if the user doesn't know what s/he is doing.

      A point I continually try and make, but no-one seems to grasp. This is the fundamental problem - users have to decide what to run and what not to run and the vast majority of them are quite happy to run _anything_.

      Hopefully the distro. It's simple enough and effective enough that such a system should be provided by the more user friendly distributions.

      Your idea sounds very similar to System Restore on Windows, only expanded to cover user files as well as system files.

    15. Re:Bill Gates: Visionary by dknj · · Score: 1

      Someone is not familiar with how X Windows works.

  60. Stealth Switch by rabel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The simple slacker's solution: StealthSwitch. It's a foot switch that automatically hides the window you're viewing in Windows.

    Read the owner's about page to see what he's about. It's a pretty cool idea that jives with the theme of this topic. Of course, this assumes you're at the office and not boating at the lake, but it's a tool for "stressed computer users" *snicker*

    No, I'm not affliated in any way, just a happy customer.

    1. Re:Stealth Switch by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Clever tool.

      Too bad the webmaster is a tool too.

      Seriously, sounds and flashy stuff on a web page designed to help you goof off? That's really not very noticable....

  61. It's like that demotivation poster says: by rune2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hard work often pays off after time but lazyness always pays off now.

  62. Stealing! by RokcetScientist · · Score: 1

    If one steals time (=money) from one's boss, one is an ordinary thief. A criminal, who steals from his/her boss, from his/her co-workers, and from society at large. Stealing is anti-social behaviour.

    1. Re:Stealing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many times has your company stolen your time by making you work overtime? This is directed mainly at people on salary who don't get paid extra for overtime.

    2. Re:Stealing! by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      His job at McDonalds is paid hourly.

      --
      I too have felt the cold finger of injustice.
  63. off topic by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    why is the point of your sig? it seems so random.

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    A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
    1. Re:off topic by kryten_nl · · Score: 1

      There is no point, that's the point :)
      It certainly isn't random, I spend two hours looking for a StarTrek character that said "I feel silly".

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      For the perfect anti-Unix, write an OS that thinks it knows what you're doing better than you do and let it be wrong.
  64. How to appear busy by Odiche · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was working for a startup company, and had been shunted into the role of network administrator. Not something I was fully qualified for, or even wanted.
    But at one point in time we ran into cash flow problems, big surprise right.
    So after about a month of not getting paid I decided to take some time off until the paycheck arrived in order to do some side jobs. I did not tell anyone else, I basically just locked up my office, and did not show up for a little more than a month. (Hey I needed to get food on the table, and I was pissed as all hell by that point)

    I come back just to check on the server, which was still running ok, and I find out that everyone thought I was extremely busy and running errands or doing something around the office. (Since my office door was locked)

    So I get my back pay, pay for the full month, a raise, AND a bonus.

    For some reason I could not be bothered to correct their mistake....

    1. Re:How to appear busy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this shows that your contribution as an employee is ??????

      Most employers would recognize in a week or less that a valuable employee is absent when problems start to rear their ugly head.

      Yes, start-ups do sometimes have real difficulty maintaining cash flow, but how is your behavior helping them make money to try and pay their other employees?

    2. Re:How to appear busy by Phaedrus420 · · Score: 0

      If the network stayed up all month, and nobody had any problems printing, then he did his job just fine. This is one of the few slack-jobs I could approve of.

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      And what is good, Phaedrus, And what is not good... Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
    3. Re:How to appear busy by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      would make a good Dilbert episode. Sounds like something straight out of Office Space.

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      SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
  65. Reminds me ... by Jeet81 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of a application for Series 60 phones that automatically adds background sounds of your choice while your on the phone with your boss. I think it was called call cheater. A very cool app.

  66. bah bah baah, buba da buba da, bah bah baah by Random_Goblin · · Score: 1

    don't be ridiculous...

    "the chances of anything coming from mars are a miliion to one", he said

    1. Re:bah bah baah, buba da buba da, bah bah baah by Shai-kun · · Score: 1

      "but still they come"

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      ...or so I've been told.
  67. Backdating the SMTP server's headers? by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, backdate your computer's clock. Then try to explain why the first Received header on your email, which is appended by the SMTP server through which you sent your message, is always x hours or days or whatever ahead.

    Also, what of the possibility that an email server will just replace your date header? If this isn't a server configuration option, it should be. I haven't seen a server that does this, but I've seen NNTP servers do it, and some that also add an additional NNTP-Posting-Date header.

  68. Torrent? IRC? HTTP? FTP? by OsirisX11 · · Score: 1

    I have looked around a bit for thie book and cannot find a "backup copy".

    Any help?

  69. Agree, "thnkx" is slower than "thanks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my qwerty keyboard, the crucial point comes after "h", which I press with my right index finger. "n" I am likely to strike with the same finger whereas "a" is under my left pinky, a finger I haven't even used recently.

  70. The real question by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the intellegent detailed reply (no, seriously, that was good). The discussion seems to be revolving around the conservatives role in these problems.

    My question is:
    What do Americans need to do to be aware of things that concern them? And how can we get more people to get out there and vote on their convictions or beliefs?

    It's been a good chat, brsmith! I wish more people were thoughtful about their positions like you are!

    1. Re:The real question by brsmith4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's good to see that people are still civil in their discourse even though others, like myself, often times resort to sometimes rude jabs. Sorry if my points came off sounding a little arrogant.

      Americans will become more aware as things get worse. If they don't get worse, people will pay no attention to it. Look at the london bombings and the Carl Rove fiasco. People are starting to see through things and doubt the often touted "official story". The current political structure in this country is going to be hit hard by a hard pressed, overworked and underpaid constituency and it's not going to be pretty. People are looking for any excuse to tar and feather politicians so I think we're starting to see this resentment come to a head.

      If people want to learn, they have to first learn to question. Ask anyone if they trust the media and they'll undoubtedly say "no". But at the same time, they simply turn around and listen to what they have to say anyway, often taking it at face value as actual fact. These people need to learn not to believe everything that comes out of the glowing tube or is printed on paper or keyed into a web site somewhere. Just with the web, people can lookup far more information than previously possible.

      The politicians are messing up and its becoming obvious to people thus, they are questioning. This will bring them around towards becoming more informed and as a result, more active. I expect to see the next election have record turn out.

  71. Or actually... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

    it could be that bosses have unrealistic expectations about their employees in the information age *cough* Electronic Arts *cough*

  72. I did that and I'll do it again...why? by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Ok, I might not actually go so far as to change the date of my emails.

    But at my most productive times I've been "faking the act of working" many times to get the bosses off my back, because chances are they have NO clue what I do anyway.

    I sound like a lazy person now - right?
    Wrong!

    The times when I did this, I was one of the most productive workers in the company. I was commented and acknowledged many times during that period and was happy as a bunny to go to work. As a matter of fact I could hardly wait for the next day.

    Then things shifted.
    I got real eager working, and my bosses started to demand more from me. Working harder and harder - they where wondering (even asking) if I used most of my time to surf the net or chat, I said no... (I wasn't either) at that period I was working like insane , got no credit, and the bosses where stressing me plus stressing themselves.

    This I've experienced again and again, also with co-workers. The ones that get all the praise and recognition are those who are relaxed, well organized and stress-free. This due to the fact that they manage their time well - also manage to cut themselves some slack.

    So put short - Yes! I do, and I'll do it again.

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    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
  73. WorldCom Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you Mr Ebbers, o'wait, your not Bernnie.

  74. Stupid Kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He cited a recent case of nine-year-olds who scanned dollar bills into a computer, printed out the fakes and used them to buy snacks at their school's cafeteria.

    Stupid kids didn't know that every dollar they printed out on Daddy's inkjet cost him more in ink. Everyone knows you have to print at least 5's to break even on cost.

  75. Canadian unemployment measurement by westendgirl · · Score: 1
    Canada and the US measure unemployment differently. The US considers someone unemployed only if they are actively searching for a job (activities that can result in an offer), whereas Canada allows passive searches (networking, looking at ads, etc). When US workers network and look at ads, they are not included in unemployment figures. Also, if US workers are due to start a job in a month or so, they are not considered unemployed -- but Canadians are. Canada also has a lower rate of imprisoned citizens, so there are more people in "outside" programs who are designated unemployed. Canada also includes people on reserves, whereas the US does not. Furthermore, Canada's recessions and recoveries typically occur at different times than those of the US, resulting in wider gaps during hard times. Canada's introductory economics courses cover these differences, since it is often a sticking point for people.

    That being said, the US and Canadian unemployment rates -- without correction for the difference in methodology -- have been just one point apart since 2002.

    Also, in some countries, you can receive benefits if you register as unemployed, even if you're a homemaker or student. The US does not have this system. So some countries have higher numbers of registered unemployed people, simply because of benefits available.

    I'm just going on what I learned in undergrad and grad school courses, as well as articles I've read over the years. I'd be interested in hearing a rebuttal to these points, though.

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  76. Managing Behavior Instead of Production by OldeClegg · · Score: 1

    If employees can deceive managers by just by forwarding communications and similar measures, perhaps it's management that should be examined.

    I don't care if my crew are running naked on a beach on Fiji, as long as they make their production goals and stay in contact. Work from home, work from your cube, from under your mother's dress, I don't care. Make progress on your work. As a manager, it's my job to measure that, and not my job to worry about where your butt is located or whether it's getting sun exposed.

    The big problem is that most middle managers have no idea how to work up and maintain plans and schedules, and thus resort to policing cubes and worrying about attendance.

    1. Re:Managing Behavior Instead of Production by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care if my crew are running naked on a beach on Fiji, as long as they make their production goals and stay in contact. Work from home, work from your cube, from under your mother's dress, I don't care. Make progress on your work. As a manager, it's my job to measure that, and not my job to worry about where your butt is located or whether it's getting sun exposed.

      Personally I would agree with you, but I'm no manager. My boss apparently doesn't agree with you though. Some time ago he complained that every time anyone looked at my screen I had a web browser open. Explaining to him that I can't think about a problem while staring at the problem at the same time (very often I find the solution when going to the bathroom, but I don't always need to pee when I run into a problem), he told me that he didn't want it to look like I wasn't doing anything, but if I was looking at the code while thinking about the girl at the beach, he couldn't say anything about it.

      And there I was, thinking that getting stuff done was more important than pretending to work.

    2. Re:Managing Behavior Instead of Production by OldeClegg · · Score: 1

      You have my sympathies. I'm sure you don't need anyone to tell you to keep learning, enjoy it when you can, and keep your awareness up for opportunities. So far, I've worked through multiple booms and busts, and seen plenty marginal managers dissappear into the fog. Some of them even became good contributors, eventually.

  77. Obligatory: Ghostzilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I remember that app. And the modern equivalent for windows systems was ghostzilla, which gave you a mozilla browsing window inside any other windows app.

    Last I knew the author had suffered some kind of a twinge-of-conscience judgment lapse, as if he was responsible for somebody's loss of productivity. But he said he had been persuaded to let others take over the project.

    For the curious, www.ghostzilla.com looks fine now. And ghostzilla happens to be Windows Only, so let that be a reason for your boss to switch everyone to Linux desktops!

  78. Office Catamites by Blancmange · · Score: 1

    I gather that at IBM[1], productivity is unimportant. Most likely, the reason one is employed at IBM is that lower management simply like having timid, subservient people clean shaven and deprived of natural cues to manhood all in order for those people to function as simpering corporate catamites. It makes the bosses feel more potent because they too are mere catamites.

    The upper management of IBM are all laughing away, telling ribald jokes while gizzling whisky and Guiness, picking out pork chops that get caught in their whiskers, flirting with the buxom serving wenches and occasionally summoning up a poor member of middle management to some dark and squalid boardroom to give him Special Treatment.

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    [1] IBM stands for "I Be Moved" for the people subjected to the loyalty tests to which they're subjected. IBM doesn't really care which city you live in. They just want to know that you love IBM more than you love your friends,

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    Blancmange
  79. Re: Free time by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    And I find myself getting done with all my projects + my daily work way ahead of time by busting my ass the first few hours while I'm their. [...] I see people everyday that spend most of their time actually trying to look like their working.
    I suggest that you take some of your free time to learn the difference between "their", "there", and "they're".
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    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  80. Re: US foreign aid per capita by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    These are government figures that do not reflect private giving. [...] Since we also pay relatively little in taxes,
    Well, there you go.
    Since the US government collects less per capita in taxes than other, more socialist, countries, it stands to reason that it has less per capita to redistribute.
    Also, the US government has to spend a tremendous amount of money to maintain and expand its empire in its futile attempt dominate the planet.

    As far as personal giving goes, the main problem with that is that many so-called "charities" aren't, and my guess is that Americans, being more cynical than the citizens of other nations, realize this (or believe it to be so, even when it's not), and don't support them for that reason.

    That said, the USA has things like the Peace Corps, etc., to which many Americans contribute their time, and that can help far more than a simple infusion of money to corrupt third-world governments.
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    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  81. I _did_ use the "Preview" button, dammit! by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    It should be "in its futile attempt to dominate the planet".

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  82. Re: Free time by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Hey, cut 'im some slack... He's working 90-hour weeks, so he just spells them all the same to save time.

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    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  83. ObOfficeSpace by magefile · · Score: 1

    It's not that I'm lazy, bob[x13]. It's that I just don't care.

  84. Transparency by plenTpak · · Score: 1

    From a distance, 90% transparent windows are practically invisible!

    The onlsy prlnblem sis ometimes you can'tread it that well youslef...