My point is that releasing 1000 liters of water containing 1% mercury, ain't really very different from releasing 10000 liters of water containing 0.1%.
Well, what the shit kind of point is that? A worthless one, that's what.
Let's take that argument to its extremes. 100 litres of water containing 10% mercury versus 10,000,000,000 litres containing 0.0000001% mercury. Now, which source are you going to choose to drink from? The one that *maybe* meets EPA standards at 100 ppb (which still sounds high to me), or the one where each half-litre glass contains about FIFTY GRAMS of mercury?
I also recall that Netscape 2 locked up routinely, say, every 30 minutes or so, and it usually took down the entire machine when it did so.
I also recall that Netscape 2 obeyed HTML standards to the following extent:
(html) (head) (title) (body) (p) (i) (b) (strong) (em) (the various list tags)
//end of list
Use anything besides those tags, and not only would it not render properly in Netscape 2, it would often take down the browser as well. Which puts you right back where you started.
It's a damn good thing it only took 3 seconds to load, because you HAD TO DO IT SO MUCH.
Good f*cking riddance, Netscape 2. You are NOT missed.
nobody using WYSIWYG web-design tools really cares what the output looks like, as long as it's valid HTML that looks OK in most browsers.
But that's exactly the problem with Composer. It STILL doesn't generate valid HTML. It's a lot better than it was when Netscape Communicator 4.x was the current "do-everything" suite, but it still isn't good enough, IMO.
If the Mozilla folks can turn the combination of FireFox and Composer into an Amaya that Doesn't Suck(tm) (Amaya currently epitomises the "jack of all trades, master of none" cliche, as it's a mediocre browser and decent WYSIWYG editor), I would be the first to jump all over it.
But I don't think their energies are best spent on the HTML generation side of things. Make the browser absolutely the best in the world, THEN worry about adding stuff to it.
I have to agree with the folks who have said the developers should concentrate on the individual apps rather than an Uberzilla Internet suite.
FireFox r0x0rz -- it's the best cross-platform browser out there and its standards compliance is quite good.
I haven't tried Thunderbird, but I've heard a lot of good things about it. (Sorry, but an e-mail client is going to have to be at least as good at searching archives as Eudora for me to switch. There's a suggestion for 'em...)
Concentrate on making those two apps the best in their respective market niches. Cut out the dead wood like Composter. Even the new version is still generating ugly code. If someone wants a pseudo-WYSIWYG HTML editor, there are FAR better options out there.
I must say, though, I like what the developers have done in the past year. They seem to be moving more in the direction of smaller, lighter, faster, more-focused apps, and that's A Good Thing(tm). Keep up the good work, guys.
You're thinking of the Gimli Glider, an Air Canada 767 so named for its power-off glide landing at Gimli Air Force Base near Winnipeg, after a miscalculation of fuel load starved both engines on a flight from Montreal to Edmonton.
The pilot, Bob Pearson, had extensive experience in gliders, and his flying coupled with the crew's cool-headedness probably saved the lives of most of the people on board, along with several hundred on the ground. (The runway they landed on was being used for a community get-together when they landed.)
The sad thing is that every one of those domains is actually occupied, though slashfot doesn't seem to go anywhere useful (buncha redirects eventually lead to a dead server).
None of them are pr0n, though. I was rather disappointed.
Buy why am I even discussing this with someone who exchanges emails with mass murderers? Or did you lie about that, too?
You obviously don't feel this way, but I, for one, think it would have been fascinating to sit down with McVeigh, Manson, Hitler, Stalin, Kaczinsky, Bundy, etc. and have a civil discussion about why, exactly, they did the horrible shit that they did.
Right before I recited Ezekiel 25:17 and put a bullet between all their eyes myself.
I don't know about you, but the last time I went to a major artist's concert it cost me damn near $50. That is NOT, by any definition of the word, "free."
The funny part about the whole thing was that it looked like it was actually the CRT that was damaged, as it was exhibiting that "missing one part of the color spectrum" bit that is more often than not a CRT defect.
Actually, that's usually fixable in about five minutes by anyone with soldering skills and no fear of high voltage. Very, very common problem on certain legacy Apple monitors (OEM'd from Mitsubishi or Hitachi, IIRC), and a great way to get a halfway-decent monitor for free, because nobody wants to deal with fixing them. If she comes back, send her to a local television repair shop -- they usually see this kind of thing a lot, and should be able to fix it fairly cheaply.
Of course, it *is* a Gateway AIO, which makes it basically useless anyway...
How the hell does someone this clueless get this much press? I don't have the least bit of respect for what he says, because he's clearly an idiot, but the fact of the matter is that he has a job and I don't, and he's probably making more money in a year than I'll ever see in the next ten.
What, exactly, qualifies a clueless maroon like Enderle for this line of work? I could do his job better than he does and I don't even have a degree in IT/IS.
I know, I know, the world isn't fair. But it's a serious question. Anybody?
I am trying to work out what all this has to do with Apple...[s]ure Apple can stick bluetooth in a laptop, but they don't have the industry pull to get everyone else to sync to their standard.
Actually, one of the long-distant and now-forgotten ancestors of my post was making precisely that point.;)
But I mostly agree with your assertion that it's the fone manufacturers, not the computer manufacturers, who will dictate the relative success or failure of something like Bluetooth. If Bluetooth didn't have the applications to cell fone technology that it does, it never would have been adopted. And anything that purports to replace Bluetooth had better be just as usable with wireless telephony as Bluetooth or it will die before it ever gets off the drawing board.
Gigabit Ethernet: never intended for the general consumer market, never marketed at the general consumer, etc. Nothing to see here, move on.
AppleTalk: perceived as "too chatty" by network admins of the era, doesn't scale to Internet-sized applications nearly as well as TCP/IP. But it also beat the hell out of anything available at the time for ease of use, as usual.
PostScript: last I checked, laser printers were still using it. But an argument could be made along the same lines as that for Gigabit Ethernet.
SCSI: again, you win.
DVI: Never embraced by Apple, so what's this doing on the list?
FireWire: I wouldn't call its presence "every single digital camcorder" a "failure for the general consumer market." If you want to digitise home movies, you use FireWire, period.
NuBus: one more for you, but primarily because Wintel hardware of the same era couldn't handle 32-bit expansion buses.
Passive cooling: a failure only because it's damned near impossible on x86 hardware at a reasonable (read: e-Machines or Dell) price point.
Built-in monitors on desktops: OK, you half-win. Initially done because it was economical and easier to support, now done because "market research" says that typical consumers don't bother upgrading their monitors, ever. Which is why you have people using a 1993 VGA display with a Pentium 4-based box and wondering why they can't surf without side-scrolling.
Single-button mice: mice? Gee, who put THOSE on the modern PC? Certainly not the company that brought to market the GUI-as-we-know-it. (Arguments about Xerox PARC are well-rehearsed. Don't start with me.)
Foot-pedal mice: this would have failed no matter WHO was behind it.:)
Portrait displays: see Gigabit Ethernet.
Keyboards with power buttons: maybe if AT power supplies had ever supported soft power...but I hardly see this as being on the same level as the first seven or eight items on your list.
Newton died because Steve killed it.
Palm beat the hell out of its remains because all the Newton developers went there when they lost their jobs.
You've obviously not used anything with Bluetooth support. You're also an idiot.
Yup, just like Firewire is so well accepted
Yeah, so well-accepted, in fact, that it's standard on many good Wintel motherboards now, most all DV equipment, and most better-than-the-cheapest beige-box PCs from Dell, Sony, HP, etc. Or were you going to connect your brand-new digital camcorder to your USB2 port? Good luck with that...
and SCSI has become a standard feature of all PCs.
Until FireWire made it obsolete on the consumer level, SCSI was the standard for connecting peripherals that needed more bandwidth or speed than parallel could give, which was basically every storage device there was (except floppies).
USB didn't go anywhere until Windows 98 came out since Windows 95 had crappy USB support...USB was quickly accepted once it became useable
No, USB didn't go anywhere because there was no market for USB devices, because Joe-User on his Windoze box was still stuck in "Parallel solves all my problems" mode. It took Apple's abandonment of serial, and ADB -- and the resulting ENORMOUS market for USB peripherals due to the horrid round mouse and lack of a floppy drive -- to give USB the kick in the pants it needed. USB's usability had nothing to do with it, either. You can thank Apple for making USB more than another failed Intel experiment.
Bluetooth is relatively slow at 760 kb/sec, so it's not very practical for anything high bandwidth.
You're exactly right.
BECAUSE BLUETOOTH WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE HIGH-BANDWIDTH! It was designed to be convenient, short-range, wireless networking to replace slower, less reliable technologies like IrDA and the proprietary RF used in wireless mice/keyboards. It was designed to connect wireless fones with PDAs with computers with headsets. And it mostly succeeds at all of that. I don't expect my car to fly, so I don't know why you seem to expect Bluetooth to be an 802.11b replacement...
Why would I recommend to Joe-User that they make sure their next computer has Bluetooth support?
You don't recommend any purchases for people who have laptops, PDAs, or cell fones, do you?
If only there were a way to send a shock through the lines to the slapass on the other end
Ah, but there is.
Hint: "l0pht" and "phreaking" would be good keywords to use in a search. I'm pretty sure that's where I first read about the device, way back in the ancient days.
I wouldn't have been "that guy" to begin with, but if I had been, you'd be awaiting trial for assault, and you'd be buying me a new cell fone. Just because he was an asshole doesn't give you the right to break the law and destroy his property. Accidents happen.
If his "fruit" is "hanging low" where I can "pick" it, you damned well better believe I'd throw the fear of God into him, along with any other spammers.
And somehow, I think "picking his low-hanging fruit" would be a really damned good deterrent to anyone else doing it. Screw the Eigth Amendment.
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My point is that releasing 1000 liters of water containing 1% mercury, ain't really very different from releasing 10000 liters of water containing 0.1%.
Well, what the shit kind of point is that? A worthless one, that's what.
Let's take that argument to its extremes. 100 litres of water containing 10% mercury versus 10,000,000,000 litres containing 0.0000001% mercury. Now, which source are you going to choose to drink from? The one that *maybe* meets EPA standards at 100 ppb (which still sounds high to me), or the one where each half-litre glass contains about FIFTY GRAMS of mercury?
I rest my case.
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Take some lessons in dragon-drawing and get back to us later.
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He didn't even wait to copycat Steve on this one! What a shame!
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Since the source code is already in the hands of umpteen thousand people
...none of whom have been able to point to the supposedly-SCO-owned code yet, so I'd say it's a pretty well-kept secret ;)
Bloody SCO.
On a related note, EV1 actually caved to their extortion.
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Oh, I recall it quite well.
(strong)
//end of list
I also recall that Netscape 2 locked up routinely, say, every 30 minutes or so, and it usually took down the entire machine when it did so.
I also recall that Netscape 2 obeyed HTML standards to the following extent:
(html)
(head)
(title)
(body)
(p)
(i)
(b)
(em)
(the various list tags)
Use anything besides those tags, and not only would it not render properly in Netscape 2, it would often take down the browser as well. Which puts you right back where you started.
It's a damn good thing it only took 3 seconds to load, because you HAD TO DO IT SO MUCH.
Good f*cking riddance, Netscape 2. You are NOT missed.
p
nobody using WYSIWYG web-design tools really cares what the output looks like, as long as it's valid HTML that looks OK in most browsers.
But that's exactly the problem with Composer. It STILL doesn't generate valid HTML. It's a lot better than it was when Netscape Communicator 4.x was the current "do-everything" suite, but it still isn't good enough, IMO.
If the Mozilla folks can turn the combination of FireFox and Composer into an Amaya that Doesn't Suck(tm) (Amaya currently epitomises the "jack of all trades, master of none" cliche, as it's a mediocre browser and decent WYSIWYG editor), I would be the first to jump all over it.
But I don't think their energies are best spent on the HTML generation side of things. Make the browser absolutely the best in the world, THEN worry about adding stuff to it.
p
I have to agree with the folks who have said the developers should concentrate on the individual apps rather than an Uberzilla Internet suite.
FireFox r0x0rz -- it's the best cross-platform browser out there and its standards compliance is quite good.
I haven't tried Thunderbird, but I've heard a lot of good things about it. (Sorry, but an e-mail client is going to have to be at least as good at searching archives as Eudora for me to switch. There's a suggestion for 'em...)
Concentrate on making those two apps the best in their respective market niches. Cut out the dead wood like Composter. Even the new version is still generating ugly code. If someone wants a pseudo-WYSIWYG HTML editor, there are FAR better options out there.
I must say, though, I like what the developers have done in the past year. They seem to be moving more in the direction of smaller, lighter, faster, more-focused apps, and that's A Good Thing(tm). Keep up the good work, guys.
p
Google doesn't serve up walmart.com for every single search entry you enter
Oh, you mean like MSN? "Black people on eBay," anyone?
p
You're thinking of the Gimli Glider, an Air Canada 767 so named for its power-off glide landing at Gimli Air Force Base near Winnipeg, after a miscalculation of fuel load starved both engines on a flight from Montreal to Edmonton.
The pilot, Bob Pearson, had extensive experience in gliders, and his flying coupled with the crew's cool-headedness probably saved the lives of most of the people on board, along with several hundred on the ground. (The runway they landed on was being used for a community get-together when they landed.)
p
The sad thing is that every one of those domains is actually occupied, though slashfot doesn't seem to go anywhere useful (buncha redirects eventually lead to a dead server).
None of them are pr0n, though. I was rather disappointed.
p
That, my friend, is one of the most amazing retronymical analyses I've ever seen.
p
"We were in contact with Agent White earlier today..."
Omitted from parent's c-n-p: "(not his real name)"
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Buy why am I even discussing this with someone who exchanges emails with mass murderers? Or did you lie about that, too?
You obviously don't feel this way, but I, for one, think it would have been fascinating to sit down with McVeigh, Manson, Hitler, Stalin, Kaczinsky, Bundy, etc. and have a civil discussion about why, exactly, they did the horrible shit that they did.
Right before I recited Ezekiel 25:17 and put a bullet between all their eyes myself.
p
I don't know about you, but the last time I went to a major artist's concert it cost me damn near $50. That is NOT, by any definition of the word, "free."
p
The funny part about the whole thing was that it looked like it was actually the CRT that was damaged, as it was exhibiting that "missing one part of the color spectrum" bit that is more often than not a CRT defect.
Actually, that's usually fixable in about five minutes by anyone with soldering skills and no fear of high voltage. Very, very common problem on certain legacy Apple monitors (OEM'd from Mitsubishi or Hitachi, IIRC), and a great way to get a halfway-decent monitor for free, because nobody wants to deal with fixing them. If she comes back, send her to a local television repair shop -- they usually see this kind of thing a lot, and should be able to fix it fairly cheaply.
Of course, it *is* a Gateway AIO, which makes it basically useless anyway...
p
Which really brings up an interesting question...
How the hell does someone this clueless get this much press? I don't have the least bit of respect for what he says, because he's clearly an idiot, but the fact of the matter is that he has a job and I don't, and he's probably making more money in a year than I'll ever see in the next ten.
What, exactly, qualifies a clueless maroon like Enderle for this line of work? I could do his job better than he does and I don't even have a degree in IT/IS.
I know, I know, the world isn't fair. But it's a serious question. Anybody?
p
I am trying to work out what all this has to do with Apple...[s]ure Apple can stick bluetooth in a laptop, but they don't have the industry pull to get everyone else to sync to their standard.
;)
Actually, one of the long-distant and now-forgotten ancestors of my post was making precisely that point.
But I mostly agree with your assertion that it's the fone manufacturers, not the computer manufacturers, who will dictate the relative success or failure of something like Bluetooth. If Bluetooth didn't have the applications to cell fone technology that it does, it never would have been adopted. And anything that purports to replace Bluetooth had better be just as usable with wireless telephony as Bluetooth or it will die before it ever gets off the drawing board.
p
RS-422: OK, you win.
:)
Gigabit Ethernet: never intended for the general consumer market, never marketed at the general consumer, etc. Nothing to see here, move on.
AppleTalk: perceived as "too chatty" by network admins of the era, doesn't scale to Internet-sized applications nearly as well as TCP/IP. But it also beat the hell out of anything available at the time for ease of use, as usual.
PostScript: last I checked, laser printers were still using it. But an argument could be made along the same lines as that for Gigabit Ethernet.
SCSI: again, you win.
DVI: Never embraced by Apple, so what's this doing on the list?
FireWire: I wouldn't call its presence "every single digital camcorder" a "failure for the general consumer market." If you want to digitise home movies, you use FireWire, period.
NuBus: one more for you, but primarily because Wintel hardware of the same era couldn't handle 32-bit expansion buses.
Passive cooling: a failure only because it's damned near impossible on x86 hardware at a reasonable (read: e-Machines or Dell) price point.
Built-in monitors on desktops: OK, you half-win. Initially done because it was economical and easier to support, now done because "market research" says that typical consumers don't bother upgrading their monitors, ever. Which is why you have people using a 1993 VGA display with a Pentium 4-based box and wondering why they can't surf without side-scrolling.
Single-button mice: mice? Gee, who put THOSE on the modern PC? Certainly not the company that brought to market the GUI-as-we-know-it. (Arguments about Xerox PARC are well-rehearsed. Don't start with me.)
Foot-pedal mice: this would have failed no matter WHO was behind it.
Portrait displays: see Gigabit Ethernet.
Keyboards with power buttons: maybe if AT power supplies had ever supported soft power...but I hardly see this as being on the same level as the first seven or eight items on your list.
Newton died because Steve killed it.
Palm beat the hell out of its remains because all the Newton developers went there when they lost their jobs.
p
You've obviously not used anything with Bluetooth support. You're also an idiot.
Yup, just like Firewire is so well accepted
Yeah, so well-accepted, in fact, that it's standard on many good Wintel motherboards now, most all DV equipment, and most better-than-the-cheapest beige-box PCs from Dell, Sony, HP, etc. Or were you going to connect your brand-new digital camcorder to your USB2 port? Good luck with that...
and SCSI has become a standard feature of all PCs.
Until FireWire made it obsolete on the consumer level, SCSI was the standard for connecting peripherals that needed more bandwidth or speed than parallel could give, which was basically every storage device there was (except floppies).
USB didn't go anywhere until Windows 98 came out since Windows 95 had crappy USB support...USB was quickly accepted once it became useable
No, USB didn't go anywhere because there was no market for USB devices, because Joe-User on his Windoze box was still stuck in "Parallel solves all my problems" mode. It took Apple's abandonment of serial, and ADB -- and the resulting ENORMOUS market for USB peripherals due to the horrid round mouse and lack of a floppy drive -- to give USB the kick in the pants it needed. USB's usability had nothing to do with it, either. You can thank Apple for making USB more than another failed Intel experiment.
Bluetooth is relatively slow at 760 kb/sec, so it's not very practical for anything high bandwidth.
You're exactly right.
BECAUSE BLUETOOTH WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE HIGH-BANDWIDTH! It was designed to be convenient, short-range, wireless networking to replace slower, less reliable technologies like IrDA and the proprietary RF used in wireless mice/keyboards. It was designed to connect wireless fones with PDAs with computers with headsets. And it mostly succeeds at all of that. I don't expect my car to fly, so I don't know why you seem to expect Bluetooth to be an 802.11b replacement...
Why would I recommend to Joe-User that they make sure their next computer has Bluetooth support?
You don't recommend any purchases for people who have laptops, PDAs, or cell fones, do you?
Sheesh.
p
If only there were a way to send a shock through the lines to the slapass on the other end
Ah, but there is.
Hint: "l0pht" and "phreaking" would be good keywords to use in a search. I'm pretty sure that's where I first read about the device, way back in the ancient days.
p
BTW, isn't Verizon the one running an ad with the Jenny song for number portability (or was it Cingular)?
It was Cingular.
p
That still doesn't justify assault, nor does it justify destruction of property.
The guy you punched wasn't breaking the law, unless being an asshole is against the law where you live, in which case you'd BOTH be up on charges.
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I wouldn't have been "that guy" to begin with, but if I had been, you'd be awaiting trial for assault, and you'd be buying me a new cell fone. Just because he was an asshole doesn't give you the right to break the law and destroy his property. Accidents happen.
p
If his "fruit" is "hanging low" where I can "pick" it, you damned well better believe I'd throw the fear of God into him, along with any other spammers.
And somehow, I think "picking his low-hanging fruit" would be a really damned good deterrent to anyone else doing it. Screw the Eigth Amendment.
p
Not that it excuses plagiarism, but at least whomever it was posted as AC so there wasn't any karma-whoring.
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