this would have a drastic impact on the world's view of russia, and may be worth that price in publicity alone.
remember that labor is dirt cheap for russia, so the dollar figure is a bit misleading. (that's how muc the labor it "worth", but not how much it costs) they'll part with much less cash in that, paying for raw materials and equipment, but equipment will also be made russian so that's cheap as well.
not much of a touristy idea tho (unless you like the coal trains of west virginia!:-)
i never claimed i did nothing wrong, but i do claim that these punishments do not fit their "crimes". and yes, i do believe my anology is accurate; there was no vandalism at all.
and yes, these are witch-hunts, because people are being driven by an unreasonable fear and applying their power to secure themselves (in their minds) with total disregard to reason, fairness and respect for other people's rights.
and you have no basis for claiming i didn't learn a lesson. i learned quite a bit that day.
During my sophomore year of HS i bypassed security on our school's Novell Netware network so I could install Dune II and play it from any location. A (former) friend was playing and got caught, instantly screaming "DEREK DID IT!" to our librarian.
I got 2 days suspension and computer privilages revoked for the rest of the year, and thought I was being sh1t on. (I was told I was being made an example off) If this had happened today, I'd have been arrested for the computer equivilent of sneaking a gameboy into class.
It just goes to show the power of ignorance and how easily fear can induce witchhunts.
It's our job to help educate people if we ever want this to change. It can be done, and we can help by easing fears by becoming part of the defense. I did exactly that as part of my "plea-bargian", and the following 2 years I was hired to help manage the ever-increasing district computer network.
the laws of probability say there SHOULD be other forms of self-replicating material (aka simple life) out there. have we heard anything to suggest there isn't or can't?
My girlfriend is currently here in the US on a student visa. She intends to stay here, (hopefully with me) and make the US here home. Not many CpE jobs in the Bahamas these days. After her degrees and 6 years of work, the US has sucked 10, 12 years of her life, her spirit and her taxes. Is she not at that point American? Does she not have a right to continue living her life?
This is the land of the free. This country was build on the backs of hard working people from other nations. The US shouldn't be fucking those people over now.
The best and the brightest is what American wants. Who cares where they came from.
I disagree. DeCSS will not last long after it is outlawed. The only reason it is so prevailent today is because distributing it is a fad. This, like all fads wil die down. News ways of posting it will no longer hit the news sites, people will stop getting the publicity, and it'll quietly fold until it becomes almost impossible to find someone still mirroring it. Now that won't be this month or even this year, but in a year or two mark my words - you had better have gotten it while you can.
And let's not forget the real problem here. DeCSS by itself is not a threat to the MPAA - it's the threat of players being built with it. As long as DeCSS is blacklisted, no players (OSS or otherwise) will use it, meaning they won. We have to make this 100% legal, or we'll be stuck duel-booting forever.
Oh, how I pine for the day when a NEW ULTRA-COOL GOTTA HAVE IT product meant _more_ than a new color.
"Hey Mike! Got that new compact, huh? What makes it better than the old one?"
"Well, they swapped the drive bay, and the GAVE ME A NEW COLOR!!!!!"
Haha. Gotta hand it to Apple. Only corp. I know able to follow L. Ron Hubbard's own words: "If you really want to get rich, all you have to do is start your own religion."
Come on now, with all the variants of all the branches of all the OSS programs out there, don't you think we could come up with a similar number? 70,000? That's not that big.
Shoot, I bet there are at least that many text editors.:)
Wow, does anyone even remember Steve Jobs promising that when he took over 2+ years ago? Seems like it's been forever.
I seem to remember a promise of the next-generation of macOS scheduled in spring on 99, not 2001. Wasn't it Steve who said "The software industry has gotten a very bad reputation for being late, and Apple is going to change that around!" What happened to that? I remember mac freaks praising Jobs. Where's the critism now?
And it keeps happening. "Beta in the spring!" "Beta in the summer!" "September mabye?" And then there was "Final release for x-mas 2000!" "Final release January!" "Um, next spring possibly?" Yeah right. Maybe next fall.
I know people who think the world of Apple, and I'll admit I'm a fan, but anyone screaming their perfection and moral triumph aught to get with the picture or shut the heck up. Apple fell from the tree a long time ago. They are now a giant corporation, and like most, are filled with worms and rotting from the inside out.
Doesn't Apple's Sherlock 2 program do basically the same thing? It can give you a listing of any eBay auction sorted by whatever you want in Apple's own little interface. I assume they get this by crawling eBay's site, and there arn't any of eBay's adds displayed while you're doing it.
If this fails the appeal, would Apple have to remove this feature as well?
I doubt they would want to do that. Maybe some big money muscle could turn this thing around easier.
I do think we give him too much credit. Sure, we all see the humble genius developer/hacker in him and (at least I do) strive to even maybe find that in ourselves, but come on.
Woz is a very smart man, one who has designed many cool devices and one who has played a big roll in our past, but is he really that revelent today? Has he presented any new paradigms? Has he pushed new technology?
Many people have contributed greatly to the advancement of computers, and they deserve to be written about in the history books. But Woz was a man, and we give him more credit than he deserves by glorifying him as we do.
Personally, if I did some really cool stuff back in the day, I'd love for people to still be talking about it 20 years later but I would be nervous if I was built into the ultimate computer man, and I think that shows a lot in his writing.
Hello, I realize what the article said, but come on. TW is a HUGE enterprise. We need more information before we try and roast him. Such as:
Who in TW did he work for? What did he consult about? What was his level of involvement? How long was he consulting?
Come on. Could it be possible the laywers found something small and blew it out of proportion? Could this just be a legal move to sideswipe the process? I wouldn't put it past anyone, heck they did it to the EFF defense. This could just be a punch back.
Truely corrupt judges are (thank god) few and far between. But that means we have to have A LOT of information and be absolutely sure before we try and roast anyone, otherwise we look bad, and when we're fighting the stigma of hackerism, that's something we JUST CAN'T AFFORD.
On the other hand, if it turns out he is corrupt, I'll be standing right there ready for a good ol' fashin lynchin'...:-)
We all know of the accusations against the lead defense attorney, and how he "worked for TW" when in reality he defended a small company owned by a larger company which then got bought by a division of TWC. We all scoffed at the accusation, because it was such a weak link that a conflict of interest was almost impossible to visualize.
But now are we on the other side? Was this connection a direct one? Was it a thread of connections looping through 5 different companies where the job happened 15 years ago? If people are to take us seriously, we can't claim one is just loony and the other is a "serious conflict of interest."
Anyway, that's my two cents. Be careful about playing both sides of the fence.
I for one am way to closely tied to America and its ideals to leave, but your point is well taken.
Public awareness that they are being watched is key. But how do we even begin the education? With the media of course. They have the public eye. Sensationalism may not be pretty, but it gets stories out and peaks interest. After all, look at how much Linux has grown since ZDTV has been running stories on "H0w t0 b3 133t w1th L1NuX" brought to you by The Screen Savers.
You state that spirituality, based on faith, are two seperate entities, which I agree with. But which one are you going to use to further our knowledge of the universe? Which one is going to give you reliable, useful information on ourselves and our world? But that is what religions promise; the Truth of our world. I'm sorry, but science and logic have a track record of definite improvements to society. Religion has given us what? War? Genocide? A feeling of "I'm going to a better place" when we die?
If you truly believe religion inhabits a different realm then logic, then why try and explain the universe at all? Why explain its origins? Why ignore reams of evidence that doesn't fit your model?
Also, please explain the "point" of religion/spirituality. And while you're at it, explain in which realm it has proven itself useful. And I'm asking for uses other than as a control mechanism for the leaders in society, which IS an area in which it is quite useful.
One hurdle that must be cleared when discussing these issues is the language barrier. While I cannot speak for everyone, my experiences involve this:
Logic places strict definitions and requirements on words in the English language, elements which may not be as stringent in everyday life. The concepts of knowledge, truth, reasoning are good examples.
I, as a person who views religion through the glasses of a scientist evaluating a theory, see no compelling evidence for any of the major religions. This is not the say there is no God; there very we may be. I just have no knowledge of his existence, and therefor do not assume it. I draw my fundimentals about the universe through logic and science, methods which have long proven histories of successfully uncovering mysteries of our universe. Because of this, when I speak I speak according to the rules of the system; mainly I talk under the stringent definition of logic.
When discussing (using the strict definitions) complex issues with individuals of a less logistic background, I make concessions required by logic such as "yes, we don't know everything about the universe and therefor cannot disprove your 'theory' when your 'theory' does not make any measurable claims about the universe." These "concessions," while valid in the extreme, are then canabilized and used to "explain" why science in whole should be scraped and we should all take a literal view of King James.
This lack of common definitions eventually boils down even the best discussions to a game of semantics, and is one reason why I am not as inclined as I used to be to talk about religion.
So my question is this:
How does the book deal with the issue of logic? Do both characters obey the strict definitions? Do they both avoid them? Does man A become annoyed at man B because he's not playing fair logic? Are the differences exploited by the author to advance his own viewpoint?
Are there any books that fairly deal with this issue?
Come on guys, do we really NEED smarter mice? What happens when they "learn" what a mouse trap is? What happens when they "learn" to open the fridge? Come on, THINK before you act people!
Maintaining OSS projects is a lot of hard work, and there is no real clear way to go about it. This article is not the first gripe I've heard pointed toward an otherwise "good" company, and we risk scaring off more corporate OSS involvement if we trash the people we already have. So I propose this:
Why don't we put together (as we I mean people who have successfully maintained large OSS projects) some information on how to do this. Some DOs and DON'Ts, some guidelines, and people to ask for help when things go wrong. If we, the community, provides help for how to maintain a project, not just for the project itself, we might see a lot more corporations playing nice.
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this would have a drastic impact on the world's view of russia, and may be worth that price in publicity alone.
:-)
remember that labor is dirt cheap for russia, so the dollar figure is a bit misleading. (that's how muc the labor it "worth", but not how much it costs) they'll part with much less cash in that, paying for raw materials and equipment, but equipment will also be made russian so that's cheap as well.
not much of a touristy idea tho (unless you like the coal trains of west virginia!
haha! i remember that first preview CD. SLOW AS SH1T!!!
no, bob was the brain-child of BG's (then new) trophy wife.
come on folks. microsoft is the king of user-acceptance testing. if anyone had any doubt they'd do this, they aught to check their head.
and it's a dang good business decision too. any product should go through this procedure.
i never claimed i did nothing wrong, but i do claim that these punishments do not fit their "crimes". and yes, i do believe my anology is accurate; there was no vandalism at all.
and yes, these are witch-hunts, because people are being driven by an unreasonable fear and applying their power to secure themselves (in their minds) with total disregard to reason, fairness and respect for other people's rights.
and you have no basis for claiming i didn't learn a lesson. i learned quite a bit that day.
During my sophomore year of HS i bypassed security on our school's Novell Netware network so I could install Dune II and play it from any location. A (former) friend was playing and got caught, instantly screaming "DEREK DID IT!" to our librarian.
I got 2 days suspension and computer privilages revoked for the rest of the year, and thought I was being sh1t on. (I was told I was being made an example off) If this had happened today, I'd have been arrested for the computer equivilent of sneaking a gameboy into class.
It just goes to show the power of ignorance and how easily fear can induce witchhunts.
It's our job to help educate people if we ever want this to change. It can be done, and we can help by easing fears by becoming part of the defense. I did exactly that as part of my "plea-bargian", and the following 2 years I was hired to help manage the ever-increasing district computer network.
the laws of probability say there SHOULD be other forms of self-replicating material (aka simple life) out there. have we heard anything to suggest there isn't or can't?
personally, i don't know if i could ever go back to single proc machines. i've been doubling up since the p-pro.
screw intel. my next machine will be a double amd box.
actually, co-ops allow her to make quite a bit.
besides, I was speaking more of the money she will pay.
My girlfriend is currently here in the US on a student visa. She intends to stay here, (hopefully with me) and make the US here home. Not many CpE jobs in the Bahamas these days. After her degrees and 6 years of work, the US has sucked 10, 12 years of her life, her spirit and her taxes. Is she not at that point American? Does she not have a right to continue living her life?
This is the land of the free. This country was build on the backs of hard working people from other nations. The US shouldn't be fucking those people over now.
The best and the brightest is what American wants. Who cares where they came from.
I disagree. DeCSS will not last long after it is outlawed. The only reason it is so prevailent today is because distributing it is a fad. This, like all fads wil die down. News ways of posting it will no longer hit the news sites, people will stop getting the publicity, and it'll quietly fold until it becomes almost impossible to find someone still mirroring it. Now that won't be this month or even this year, but in a year or two mark my words - you had better have gotten it while you can.
And let's not forget the real problem here. DeCSS by itself is not a threat to the MPAA - it's the threat of players being built with it. As long as DeCSS is blacklisted, no players (OSS or otherwise) will use it, meaning they won. We have to make this 100% legal, or we'll be stuck duel-booting forever.
Oh, how I pine for the day when a NEW ULTRA-COOL GOTTA HAVE IT product meant _more_ than a new color.
"Hey Mike! Got that new compact, huh? What makes it better than the old one?"
"Well, they swapped the drive bay, and the GAVE ME A NEW COLOR!!!!!"
Haha. Gotta hand it to Apple. Only corp. I know able to follow L. Ron Hubbard's own words: "If you really want to get rich, all you have to do is start your own religion."
WHEW!
:)
Glad I got out of that deal when I could. Should've known that Circuit City guy was trying to rip me a new a-hole...
Come on guys, $15,000 for a TV? How much do you watch this crap anyway? Buffy only comes on so many times a week!
Come on now, with all the variants of all the branches of all the OSS programs out there, don't you think we could come up with a similar number? 70,000? That's not that big.
:)
Shoot, I bet there are at least that many text editors.
READ MY LIPS, no more missed release dates!
Wow, does anyone even remember Steve Jobs promising that when he took over 2+ years ago? Seems like it's been forever.
I seem to remember a promise of the next-generation of macOS scheduled in spring on 99, not 2001. Wasn't it Steve who said "The software industry has gotten a very bad reputation for being late, and Apple is going to change that around!" What happened to that? I remember mac freaks praising Jobs. Where's the critism now?
And it keeps happening. "Beta in the spring!" "Beta in the summer!" "September mabye?" And then there was "Final release for x-mas 2000!" "Final release January!" "Um, next spring possibly?" Yeah right. Maybe next fall.
I know people who think the world of Apple, and I'll admit I'm a fan, but anyone screaming their perfection and moral triumph aught to get with the picture or shut the heck up. Apple fell from the tree a long time ago. They are now a giant corporation, and like most, are filled with worms and rotting from the inside out.
Now let the flames roll in!
Doesn't Apple's Sherlock 2 program do basically the same thing? It can give you a listing of any eBay auction sorted by whatever you want in Apple's own little interface. I assume they get this by crawling eBay's site, and there arn't any of eBay's adds displayed while you're doing it.
If this fails the appeal, would Apple have to remove this feature as well?
I doubt they would want to do that. Maybe some big money muscle could turn this thing around easier.
I do think we give him too much credit. Sure, we all see the humble genius developer/hacker in him and (at least I do) strive to even maybe find that in ourselves, but come on.
Woz is a very smart man, one who has designed many cool devices and one who has played a big roll in our past, but is he really that revelent today? Has he presented any new paradigms? Has he pushed new technology?
Many people have contributed greatly to the advancement of computers, and they deserve to be written about in the history books. But Woz was a man, and we give him more credit than he deserves by glorifying him as we do.
Personally, if I did some really cool stuff back in the day, I'd love for people to still be talking about it 20 years later but I would be nervous if I was built into the ultimate computer man, and I think that shows a lot in his writing.
Hello, I realize what the article said, but come on. TW is a HUGE enterprise. We need more information before we try and roast him. Such as:
:-)
Who in TW did he work for?
What did he consult about?
What was his level of involvement?
How long was he consulting?
Come on. Could it be possible the laywers found something small and blew it out of proportion? Could this just be a legal move to sideswipe the process? I wouldn't put it past anyone, heck they did it to the EFF defense. This could just be a punch back.
Truely corrupt judges are (thank god) few and far between. But that means we have to have A LOT of information and be absolutely sure before we try and roast anyone, otherwise we look bad, and when we're fighting the stigma of hackerism, that's something we JUST CAN'T AFFORD.
On the other hand, if it turns out he is corrupt, I'll be standing right there ready for a good ol' fashin lynchin'...
All right now, how distant was this connection?
We all know of the accusations against the lead defense attorney, and how he "worked for TW" when in reality he defended a small company owned by a larger company which then got bought by a division of TWC. We all scoffed at the accusation, because it was such a weak link that a conflict of interest was almost impossible to visualize.
But now are we on the other side? Was this connection a direct one? Was it a thread of connections looping through 5 different companies where the job happened 15 years ago? If people are to take us seriously, we can't claim one is just loony and the other is a "serious conflict of interest."
Anyway, that's my two cents. Be careful about playing both sides of the fence.
I for one am way to closely tied to America and its ideals to leave, but your point is well taken.
Public awareness that they are being watched is key. But how do we even begin the education? With the media of course. They have the public eye. Sensationalism may not be pretty, but it gets stories out and peaks interest. After all, look at how much Linux has grown since ZDTV has been running stories on "H0w t0 b3 133t w1th L1NuX" brought to you by The Screen Savers.
You state that spirituality, based on faith, are two seperate entities, which I agree with. But which one are you going to use to further our knowledge of the universe? Which one is going to give you reliable, useful information on ourselves and our world? But that is what religions promise; the Truth of our world. I'm sorry, but science and logic have a track record of definite improvements to society. Religion has given us what? War? Genocide? A feeling of "I'm going to a better place" when we die?
If you truly believe religion inhabits a different realm then logic, then why try and explain the universe at all? Why explain its origins? Why ignore reams of evidence that doesn't fit your model?
Also, please explain the "point" of religion/spirituality. And while you're at it, explain in which realm it has proven itself useful. And I'm asking for uses other than as a control mechanism for the leaders in society, which IS an area in which it is quite useful.
My question requires a little explination first.
One hurdle that must be cleared when discussing these issues is the language barrier. While I cannot speak for everyone, my experiences involve this:
Logic places strict definitions and requirements on words in the English language, elements which may not be as stringent in everyday life. The concepts of knowledge, truth, reasoning are good examples.
I, as a person who views religion through the glasses of a scientist evaluating a theory, see no compelling evidence for any of the major religions. This is not the say there is no God; there very we may be. I just have no knowledge of his existence, and therefor do not assume it. I draw my fundimentals about the universe through logic and science, methods which have long proven histories of successfully uncovering mysteries of our universe. Because of this, when I speak I speak according to the rules of the system; mainly I talk under the stringent definition of logic.
When discussing (using the strict definitions) complex issues with individuals of a less logistic background, I make concessions required by logic such as "yes, we don't know everything about the universe and therefor cannot disprove your 'theory' when your 'theory' does not make any measurable claims about the universe." These "concessions," while valid in the extreme, are then canabilized and used to "explain" why science in whole should be scraped and we should all take a literal view of King James.
This lack of common definitions eventually boils down even the best discussions to a game of semantics, and is one reason why I am not as inclined as I used to be to talk about religion.
So my question is this:
How does the book deal with the issue of logic? Do both characters obey the strict definitions? Do they both avoid them? Does man A become annoyed at man B because he's not playing fair logic? Are the differences exploited by the author to advance his own viewpoint?
Are there any books that fairly deal with this issue?
What do you think?
Come on guys, do we really NEED smarter mice? What happens when they "learn" what a mouse trap is? What happens when they "learn" to open the fridge? Come on, THINK before you act people!
:-)
Here's a thought...
Maintaining OSS projects is a lot of hard work, and there is no real clear way to go about it. This article is not the first gripe I've heard pointed toward an otherwise "good" company, and we risk scaring off more corporate OSS involvement if we trash the people we already have. So I propose this:
Why don't we put together (as we I mean people who have successfully maintained large OSS projects) some information on how to do this. Some DOs and DON'Ts, some guidelines, and people to ask for help when things go wrong. If we, the community, provides help for how to maintain a project, not just for the project itself, we might see a lot more corporations playing nice.
Working around harsh chemicals may give you cancer? Who'd a thunk it?