I take issue with the word "terrorist", or at least its modern application in the US., but that is besides the point. I do take issue with law enforcement being more concerned about copyright violations than deadly explosions and attacks....... this seems to be what is going on. Am I missing something?
Just for the record, here is the definition of terrorism:
"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
-- US Federal Bureau of Investigation
I personally believe that it should exclude the term unlawful and include the words "threat of using force or violence", but that would make anybody or organization basically a terrorist (yes, its that nebulous of a term).
Good post. I too hated those buying drugs == terrorism ads because I know they are BS and I know a lot of people would believe them.
Back on topic, hmm, lets think about this. People that are wiling to kill a number of people including themselves would never seem to be people to violate copyright violations. WTF? Granted I didn't read the FA, but I read recently where some of the knockoff street vendors in cities are fronts for terrorist funding. That too shocked me. I always thought those street vendors were legit. Now I know.
Back to the "War on Drugs" (TM)...
And just like The War on Drugs it is a farce that ignores the realities of the world we live in in favor of making money on an outdated status quo.
An excellent quote pertaining to this is:
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
I can't tell if your insinuating that the grandparent poster should be donating or the school.
If its the school, its not that easy if at all possible. For a couple hundred bucks I could put up a website like http://www.openofice.org/ (It looks like someone is already cybersquatting there) and get the check "donated" to someone very near to me.
99% of my use of MS word is as a spell checker, I'll type a comment (like this one) on a web form then quickly copy and paste in to word and back for spellchecking goodness.
Some OSes have builtin systemwide spell checkers. This is something I've dreamed of for years. For my webbrowser under OSX all I had to do is right click on this text dialog box, and enable spell checking as I type. Its cool, I put words anywhere (like the Google search bar) I feel like and right click on them to get the correct spelling all the time. Also other benefits of having a systemwide spell checker is that the words that you add the dictionary are universally available to all apps, and the spell checker is consistent between apps.
So it seems that the same thing that happened to propritary unix apps in the 80s and 90s is starting to happen now with propritary consumer apps. I'm refering to the stories of upon setting up their workstation or server taking a day to replace all the proprietary programs with the GNU created ones because they functioned better.
Well, this and all other TCO "studies" are BS. They "saved" $100,000 over a completely different solution, not a better one. By this, they kept around their old PCs and threw Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), and said that was much cheaper than buying new PCs with XP licenses on them. I'm not too familiar with any MS products, but I've heard of Citrix which is similar technology I believe. Granted Citrix is not free, but it should work with their old equipment as well.
However, I will say that I'm impressed that OpenOffice works that well. I haven't used it in a while since my hd crashed, and I have had no need to reinstall it, but I thought it was painful to use (this was maybe a year ago).
Also, I don't believe that proprietary UNIX apps were replaced with GNU stuff until the late 90s. GNU started out to be a free OS to replace UNIX, but it has yet to of happened, but Linux did. Before Linux took off and became a viable server OS, GNU just had a compiler, and various standard UNIX tools, but those were just installed on a UNIX box, not a replacement. Thank GOD Solaris now ships with at least gzip and bash and other GNU utils, that was a pain without those. The compiler was excellent because it was able to at least compile other GNU stuff. Compilers were not very portable back then, and having one that worked on all platforms greatly accelerated the GNU progress.
This is a landmark case because Linux was installed on a number of machines and used for 2 years in an office environment. I would be a little frustrated by using it personally, but if it worked for them, especially with the backwards compatibility with office docs, thats pretty impressive.
I can understand she is upset and wants some compensation for the "emotional stress" such an incident might have caused, but... $3 million...are you serious?
Yeah, its a bit much, but the dude from the goofy "Everybody Loves Raymond" show got paid $1.8 million for each 30 minute episode. Even he thought it was a bit much.
Civil suits and even the fines associated from criminal suits are always doable. Nobody is going to sue a mom and pop store for $3 mil. The lawyers won't take the case, the mom and pop do not have the cash, its a done deal.
Also, these kinds of suits are overdone so that its more likely to be settled out of court. By settling for $1 mil, yahoo can see it as saving $2 mil plus court and lawyer expenses.
Plus there is _no_ compensation for emotion. How much is a lawsuit for the death of someone worth? How deep the pockets of the defendant are. If the defendant has no money, the person's death is worth nothing as well. (Plus dead people don't need money).
Personally, I do feel as though yahoo was to a degree negligent by not removing the pages more quickly. I'm not that familiar with there services, but it seems like that should be a standard thing, and having someone's nude photos and work telephone number is a bit much.
America hasn't been at peace since the Korea war. Ever since then your troops have been involved in combat somewhere around the planet.
Yeah, unofficially we have been economically dependent on war since WWII, but most of our military involvements have been fairly quiet, and we rarely officially declare war.
That stragegy has worked for thousands of years. All the religions have used it, the Nazi's, the Israeli's, numerous other facists blah blah blah. Why change it?
Yes, that too is true. The why change it part is almost amusing. Granted I just learned about the control via irrational fear thing, but your right. Its been around for a long time, but its not that commonly known by people.
Just out of curiosity glesga_kiss, where are you from?
I think this would go a long way in making our flights more secure, without having to resort to privacy encroachment methods.
If security were the goal, their behavior would be entirely different.
Think about it, we have the largest standing peacetime military in the world, yet we don't even guard our own border in err of _millions_ of people walking across it illegally and then living here illegally (although illegal citizens have more rites than a legal citizen who has or may have broken the law, but thats another story).
History shows that a society cannot be dominant in the world more than about 300-400 years. They expand and then collapse from their size, or the government goes into some kind of fascist or other ubercontrolled mode that simply cannot be sustained.
Sometimes you would have never guessed that we were a country that was founded by people that wanted to be free of persecution, government religion, and unfair taxes, and were willing to die for those freedoms.
Now we are such a femalecentric bunch of wimps that will do anything because we are so scared of the boogieman.
Am I the only one that is not at all obsessed with living forever?
I mean, I'm 35 and I've pretty much done everything I've wanted to do in life, and I already talk "about the good ol days". Aside from the remote possibility that I could find a woman that I would like to marry (not a priority), I guess retirement is the next big milestone in my life. My father is planning to retire in 5 years or so. He told me it would give him more time to work. Yeah, you have more money when your retired than you typically do when your 20-30, so you get to go on trips around the world and whatnot. For me, I'd take 10 years off my life for every exotic trip in my 20s or 30s with a young smoking hot woman.
In my observations, a vast majority of people do most of their memorable and interesting things in their 20s and 30s, and the rest of their lives they simply refine and do the same that they established by then. Sure there are exceptions, but I have never heard of anyone complain about being dead, but I've heard a number of people complain about being alive.
The reason us "open source guys" hate it when he says that is because its a fucking insult straight to our face. You basically just told me that I cant innovate, my software is reverse engineered from others, and if it wasnt for others my software would suck.
Maybe your OS software is different, but I would say that most OS software has little innovation in it. A majority of the time its an "embrace and extended" version of some closed source code.
Offhand, I cannot recall a GNU licensed product that is innovative. OK, I'm trying hard here. Maybe rsync, could be seen as innovative in its day. I'm still trying, and I can't think of anything else offhand. For the record, I'm a UNIX/Linux admin, and have been for a few years now. I use and often prefer OS products over commercial ones, but I believe that I prefer the lack of innovation and the tools are more simple and chainable for scripts and whatnot.
Now that I was frank about the situation, mod me as a troll like always.
I can recognize a HW versus SW prob and this was hardware but the Sony folks, in an effort to save having to send a guy to me, tried to convince me "Reinstall Windows." NO! That is wrong! This is a HW problem."
I have found that to be the case in any mixed vendor environment. If you call the SCSI RAID vendor he will tell you that nothing is wrong with the RAID that its a hardware problem with the SCSI card or a bug in the OS -- replace both of those and don't call us again.
Repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causality."
I've heard that before. But correlation does imply correlation. The data itself seems compelling to me with the skew of 35 - 40 births for some subsets of the population vs the average. I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe that the female infanticide in China skews the male/female ratio less than these data.
One could theorize that engineers and nurses may be more successful and strongly stereotypical of their respective genders. Engineers are typically bright, rational, and successful males. Nurses are caregivers, which is what successful females do.
Very interesting. I guess that a child between an engineer and a nurse would put the odds back to about 50/50:)
I understand why Hormel wants to do this. Normally you don't want your product associated with such a negative thing.
Yeah, I've felt a little bad for Hormel with the association. But I've never associated or heard other people associate SPAM with a quality product. I've only eaten it once when camping when I was in 6th grade. Honestly, I don't remember it being bad. For me, the only caned meat products that I eat is tuna.
Also, if they are going to the US government for help in this matter, maybe they should reconsider http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspa m.htm. Because it does not appear as though the government recognizes or respects their brand name either.
When people are faced with dialog boxes when they do a routine operation saying "what is about to happen may be dangerous", then they pretty soon get in the habit of just clicking "yes" without thinking.
Thats one difference between Windows and OS X. OS X doesn't bombard you with dialog boxes all the time that have "OK" and "Cancel" buttons on them.
In fact, I don't remember Safari ever putting up a dialog box.
I was very specific in saying that I wanted a _working_ media player. VLC stops playing a flac file when the system is under load (with a meaningless extraverbose error message to boot). XMMS skips horribly which takes it out of the working category immediately.
Its fucking stupid that its 2005 and I'm looking to spend about $2,500 for a nice fast computer, and being able to play music files is the biggest problem in picking one. Whats worse is that the absolutely worst OS (Windows) is the most attractive at this point because it can play music and has 3rd party commercial software support.
Maybe I'll just wait another 4 or so years to get a usable computer.
Just install the QuckTime OGG and FLAC components and iTunes will be able to play them fine.
I've installed them before, but the ogg one mostly worked, the flac one only worked via quicktime and not iTunes.
I forgot the issues with ogg, but they were acceptable. iTunes refused to play flac files completely, however I could preview in the finder or import them via quicktime.
Now, all of this is incorrect now that I have quicktime 7 and everything is now completely broken.
I have many hundreds of Gigs of flacs that I would like to be able to listen to. If this is not resolved in the next 2 months I'm actually going to buy a Windows computer and use Winamp.
I feel as though I'm completely going to the dark side like a gamer, but going over a year without an acceptable media player is getting really old.
I'm not sure how to downgrade quicktime, nor if its worthwhile.
If the spam is required to be labeled with a subject line starting with ADV: it makes it very easy to filter and easy for a judge and jury to determine that it does break the law when they don't include it.
That would be more than nice. While they are at it, maybe all of those junk snail mail ads that say "Important account information" or "Dated material" should be less deceptively labeled as advertisements.
Existing laws should be applicable. Lets see spam at a minimum usually involves
* forgery with the intention to deceive. * theft of service * trespassing
I've always thought the illegal act of Fraud was sufficient. Fraud -- A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
One big thing with spam is that a majority of it comes from China or close by geographically, so no US laws including CAN SPAM or Fraud would do anything. Fortunately, I have spamassassin rules that get triggered for China, et al URLs and for headers that contain originator and relays from other known bad countries.
About 50% of my flagged spam comes from China, Hong Kong, or similar.
Well, I'm not a computer dummy, but I wasn't sure if I could take my battery out while it was powered on to see if my battery was eligible for replacement. I figured, I would just go ahead and try. It was plugged in of course.
It worked, and the battery indicator changed to some "Its gone" icon, and the serial number on it did not match and I put it back in and everything was OK.
I mean, does Apple actually make the batteries being recalled?
They do not make the battery itself, but to my knowledge they make the custom enclosure for the battery to fit inside of the computer and add the LED power level indicator, and whatnot.
To my knowledge, I don't know that you can buy one of these batteries from somewhere else.
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I take issue with the word "terrorist", or at least its modern application in the US., but that is besides the point. I do take issue with law enforcement being more concerned about copyright violations than deadly explosions and attacks....... this seems to be what is going on. Am I missing something?
Just for the record, here is the definition of terrorism:
"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
-- US Federal Bureau of Investigation
I personally believe that it should exclude the term unlawful and include the words "threat of using force or violence", but that would make anybody or organization basically a terrorist (yes, its that nebulous of a term).
Good post. I too hated those buying drugs == terrorism ads because I know they are BS and I know a lot of people would believe them.
...
Back on topic, hmm, lets think about this. People that are wiling to kill a number of people including themselves would never seem to be people to violate copyright violations. WTF? Granted I didn't read the FA, but I read recently where some of the knockoff street vendors in cities are fronts for terrorist funding. That too shocked me. I always thought those street vendors were legit. Now I know.
Back to the "War on Drugs" (TM)
And just like The War on Drugs it is a farce that ignores the realities of the world we live in in favor of making money on an outdated status quo.
An excellent quote pertaining to this is:
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Can't add to much to that.
Please also see: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/.
Even some programs that don't accept input aren't safe either.
Yeah, I hate it when apps spontaneously get possessed.
I can't tell if your insinuating that the grandparent poster should be donating or the school.
If its the school, its not that easy if at all possible. For a couple hundred bucks I could put up a website like http://www.openofice.org/ (It looks like someone is already cybersquatting there) and get the check "donated" to someone very near to me.
99% of my use of MS word is as a spell checker, I'll type a comment (like this one) on a web form then quickly copy and paste in to word and back for spellchecking goodness.
Some OSes have builtin systemwide spell checkers. This is something I've dreamed of for years. For my webbrowser under OSX all I had to do is right click on this text dialog box, and enable spell checking as I type. Its cool, I put words anywhere (like the Google search bar) I feel like and right click on them to get the correct spelling all the time. Also other benefits of having a systemwide spell checker is that the words that you add the dictionary are universally available to all apps, and the spell checker is consistent between apps.
So it seems that the same thing that happened to propritary unix apps in the 80s and 90s is starting to happen now with propritary consumer apps. I'm refering to the stories of upon setting up their workstation or server taking a day to replace all the proprietary programs with the GNU created ones because they functioned better.
Well, this and all other TCO "studies" are BS. They "saved" $100,000 over a completely different solution, not a better one. By this, they kept around their old PCs and threw Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), and said that was much cheaper than buying new PCs with XP licenses on them. I'm not too familiar with any MS products, but I've heard of Citrix which is similar technology I believe. Granted Citrix is not free, but it should work with their old equipment as well.
However, I will say that I'm impressed that OpenOffice works that well. I haven't used it in a while since my hd crashed, and I have had no need to reinstall it, but I thought it was painful to use (this was maybe a year ago).
Also, I don't believe that proprietary UNIX apps were replaced with GNU stuff until the late 90s. GNU started out to be a free OS to replace UNIX, but it has yet to of happened, but Linux did. Before Linux took off and became a viable server OS, GNU just had a compiler, and various standard UNIX tools, but those were just installed on a UNIX box, not a replacement. Thank GOD Solaris now ships with at least gzip and bash and other GNU utils, that was a pain without those. The compiler was excellent because it was able to at least compile other GNU stuff. Compilers were not very portable back then, and having one that worked on all platforms greatly accelerated the GNU progress.
This is a landmark case because Linux was installed on a number of machines and used for 2 years in an office environment. I would be a little frustrated by using it personally, but if it worked for them, especially with the backwards compatibility with office docs, thats pretty impressive.
I can understand she is upset and wants some compensation for the "emotional stress" such an incident might have caused, but... $3 million...are you serious?
Yeah, its a bit much, but the dude from the goofy "Everybody Loves Raymond" show got paid $1.8 million for each 30 minute episode. Even he thought it was a bit much.
Civil suits and even the fines associated from criminal suits are always doable. Nobody is going to sue a mom and pop store for $3 mil. The lawyers won't take the case, the mom and pop do not have the cash, its a done deal.
Also, these kinds of suits are overdone so that its more likely to be settled out of court. By settling for $1 mil, yahoo can see it as saving $2 mil plus court and lawyer expenses.
Plus there is _no_ compensation for emotion. How much is a lawsuit for the death of someone worth? How deep the pockets of the defendant are. If the defendant has no money, the person's death is worth nothing as well. (Plus dead people don't need money).
Personally, I do feel as though yahoo was to a degree negligent by not removing the pages more quickly. I'm not that familiar with there services, but it seems like that should be a standard thing, and having someone's nude photos and work telephone number is a bit much.
America hasn't been at peace since the Korea war. Ever since then your troops have been involved in combat somewhere around the planet.
Yeah, unofficially we have been economically dependent on war since WWII, but most of our military involvements have been fairly quiet, and we rarely officially declare war.
That stragegy has worked for thousands of years. All the religions have used it, the Nazi's, the Israeli's, numerous other facists blah blah blah. Why change it?
Yes, that too is true. The why change it part is almost amusing. Granted I just learned about the control via irrational fear thing, but your right. Its been around for a long time, but its not that commonly known by people.
Just out of curiosity glesga_kiss, where are you from?
What about those people that prefer same sex relationships?
I think this would go a long way in making our flights more secure, without having to resort to privacy encroachment methods.
If security were the goal, their behavior would be entirely different.
Think about it, we have the largest standing peacetime military in the world, yet we don't even guard our own border in err of _millions_ of people walking across it illegally and then living here illegally (although illegal citizens have more rites than a legal citizen who has or may have broken the law, but thats another story).
History shows that a society cannot be dominant in the world more than about 300-400 years. They expand and then collapse from their size, or the government goes into some kind of fascist or other ubercontrolled mode that simply cannot be sustained.
Sometimes you would have never guessed that we were a country that was founded by people that wanted to be free of persecution, government religion, and unfair taxes, and were willing to die for those freedoms.
Now we are such a femalecentric bunch of wimps that will do anything because we are so scared of the boogieman.
Am I the only one that is not at all obsessed with living forever?
I mean, I'm 35 and I've pretty much done everything I've wanted to do in life, and I already talk "about the good ol days". Aside from the remote possibility that I could find a woman that I would like to marry (not a priority), I guess retirement is the next big milestone in my life. My father is planning to retire in 5 years or so. He told me it would give him more time to work. Yeah, you have more money when your retired than you typically do when your 20-30, so you get to go on trips around the world and whatnot. For me, I'd take 10 years off my life for every exotic trip in my 20s or 30s with a young smoking hot woman.
In my observations, a vast majority of people do most of their memorable and interesting things in their 20s and 30s, and the rest of their lives they simply refine and do the same that they established by then. Sure there are exceptions, but I have never heard of anyone complain about being dead, but I've heard a number of people complain about being alive.
Maybe I'm just pessimistic.
The reason us "open source guys" hate it when he says that is because its a fucking insult straight to our face. You basically just told me that I cant innovate, my software is reverse engineered from others, and if it wasnt for others my software would suck.
Maybe your OS software is different, but I would say that most OS software has little innovation in it. A majority of the time its an "embrace and extended" version of some closed source code.
Offhand, I cannot recall a GNU licensed product that is innovative. OK, I'm trying hard here. Maybe rsync, could be seen as innovative in its day. I'm still trying, and I can't think of anything else offhand. For the record, I'm a UNIX/Linux admin, and have been for a few years now. I use and often prefer OS products over commercial ones, but I believe that I prefer the lack of innovation and the tools are more simple and chainable for scripts and whatnot.
Now that I was frank about the situation, mod me as a troll like always.
I can recognize a HW versus SW prob and this was hardware but the Sony folks, in an effort to save having to send a guy to me, tried to convince me "Reinstall Windows." NO! That is wrong! This is a HW problem."
I have found that to be the case in any mixed vendor environment. If you call the SCSI RAID vendor he will tell you that nothing is wrong with the RAID that its a hardware problem with the SCSI card or a bug in the OS -- replace both of those and don't call us again.
What's to prevent anti-virus companies from figuring this out and providing a quick fix?
:)
Oh, they might, and only charge $250 for the fix
Repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causality."
:)
I've heard that before. But correlation does imply correlation. The data itself seems compelling to me with the skew of 35 - 40 births for some subsets of the population vs the average. I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe that the female infanticide in China skews the male/female ratio less than these data.
One could theorize that engineers and nurses may be more successful and strongly stereotypical of their respective genders. Engineers are typically bright, rational, and successful males. Nurses are caregivers, which is what successful females do.
Very interesting. I guess that a child between an engineer and a nurse would put the odds back to about 50/50
I understand why Hormel wants to do this. Normally you don't want your product associated with such a negative thing.
a m.htm. Because it does not appear as though the government recognizes or respects their brand name either.
Yeah, I've felt a little bad for Hormel with the association. But I've never associated or heard other people associate SPAM with a quality product. I've only eaten it once when camping when I was in 6th grade. Honestly, I don't remember it being bad. For me, the only caned meat products that I eat is tuna.
Also, if they are going to the US government for help in this matter, maybe they should reconsider http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/cansp
We have conflicting sigs.
When people are faced with dialog boxes when they do a routine operation saying "what is about to happen may be dangerous", then they pretty soon get in the habit of just clicking "yes" without thinking.
Thats one difference between Windows and OS X. OS X doesn't bombard you with dialog boxes all the time that have "OK" and "Cancel" buttons on them.
In fact, I don't remember Safari ever putting up a dialog box.
You could try VLC ... fink and then xmms
I was very specific in saying that I wanted a _working_ media player. VLC stops playing a flac file when the system is under load (with a meaningless extraverbose error message to boot). XMMS skips horribly which takes it out of the working category immediately.
Its fucking stupid that its 2005 and I'm looking to spend about $2,500 for a nice fast computer, and being able to play music files is the biggest problem in picking one. Whats worse is that the absolutely worst OS (Windows) is the most attractive at this point because it can play music and has 3rd party commercial software support.
Maybe I'll just wait another 4 or so years to get a usable computer.
Just install the QuckTime OGG and FLAC components and iTunes will be able to play them fine.
I've installed them before, but the ogg one mostly worked, the flac one only worked via quicktime and not iTunes.
I forgot the issues with ogg, but they were acceptable. iTunes refused to play flac files completely, however I could preview in the finder or import them via quicktime.
Now, all of this is incorrect now that I have quicktime 7 and everything is now completely broken.
I have many hundreds of Gigs of flacs that I would like to be able to listen to. If this is not resolved in the next 2 months I'm actually going to buy a Windows computer and use Winamp.
I feel as though I'm completely going to the dark side like a gamer, but going over a year without an acceptable media player is getting really old.
I'm not sure how to downgrade quicktime, nor if its worthwhile.
If the spam is required to be labeled with a subject line starting with ADV: it makes it very easy to filter and easy for a judge and jury to determine that it does break the law when they don't include it.
That would be more than nice. While they are at it, maybe all of those junk snail mail ads that say "Important account information" or "Dated material" should be less deceptively labeled as advertisements.
Existing laws should be applicable. Lets see spam at a minimum usually involves
* forgery with the intention to deceive.
* theft of service
* trespassing
I've always thought the illegal act of Fraud was sufficient. Fraud -- A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
One big thing with spam is that a majority of it comes from China or close by geographically, so no US laws including CAN SPAM or Fraud would do anything. Fortunately, I have spamassassin rules that get triggered for China, et al URLs and for headers that contain originator and relays from other known bad countries.
About 50% of my flagged spam comes from China, Hong Kong, or similar.
Well, I'm not a computer dummy, but I wasn't sure if I could take my battery out while it was powered on to see if my battery was eligible for replacement. I figured, I would just go ahead and try. It was plugged in of course.
It worked, and the battery indicator changed to some "Its gone" icon, and the serial number on it did not match and I put it back in and everything was OK.
I mean, does Apple actually make the batteries being recalled?
They do not make the battery itself, but to my knowledge they make the custom enclosure for the battery to fit inside of the computer and add the LED power level indicator, and whatnot.
To my knowledge, I don't know that you can buy one of these batteries from somewhere else.
...he should have ended it with "I'll probably be fired for this, so each of you go tell everybody you know." Or something to that effect.
Just as you should have preceded your comment with "I'll probably get modded down for this..." in order to get moderated higher.