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Mac OS X 10.4.1 Is Out
MrBadbar writes "Software Update just informed me that an update to Mac OS X (10.4.1) is now available. The updates include mail, address book, dashboard widgets, Safari, iLife, and other miscellaneous fixes. At this rate, it's only about 18 more weeks until 10.5."
No noticable problems. Has anyone heard of a 'grinding' noise problem with powerbook g4s (less than a year old) though?
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Second, Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue by adding widgets to the items that Safari prompts for before a download is complete. You will now receive a notice:
"(file) is an application. Are you sure you want to download the application (file)?"
...including when Safari is in its default state, i.e., "Open 'safe' files after downloading" is enabled. This issue is now completely mitigated, as no item can be downloaded or installed without the user's express knowledge and permission. Therefore, this issue is now closed.
Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.
Some weird things that I've heard of:
Unable to boot and being dropped to safe mode,
Having to reset QT by changing the international sys prefs,
Using update and still losing ll your settings etc.
Sidenote: FCP5 should be here too now and working properly if this is out.
Software Update mentions ATI and nVidia driver updates, but the Apple KB URL doesn't mention it at all (I was hoping for specific details... as in if Quartz 2D Extreme has been enabled.) ?
I've experienced quite a few stability issues since upgrading to Tiger, all of which have required me to manually reboot. Hopefully this update will fix whatever that is.
Additionally, Tiger occasionally turns off the function and volume keys on certain powerbooks. This has been confirmed by several users and does not appear to be fixed in the update.
Sigh.......
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Everything else seems to be running smoothly after the update, save my wireless reception. The signal strength display is lower, but I can't check the distance in the backyard until the rain is past to be certain.
I'm not getting updates for tiger
Having over 8,000 mails via LyX or say over 10,000 mails for Cocoon developer/user list updating is much improved.
The gpgmail 1.1 bundle seems to have broken under 10.4.1. It was working nicely under 10.4.
~/Library/Mail/Bundles/
seems to have been renamed to:
~/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled)/
A warning dialog box is displayed notifying you that the bundle is no longer supported the first time you start up Mail under 10.4.1
Well I thought they were supossed to fix the compatability between and the VPN cleints with this patch...I guess they forgot. I guess I will have to wait till the vendor gets time with apple to fix this issue (unable to even install CheckPoint secureClient with 10.4.x)
Update disables GPGMail, and does not let the user enable it again.
that was the "Troubleshooting Automatic Software" page. It is to be used if something doesn't work, not to be confused with actual update procedures to be fair, you would have to give similar info for Windows. But that wasnt your intention.
Nice FUD. let me give you software update procedures for OS X10.4.1. Click on Software Preferences in Dock. Click On "software update" Check for Update. Install update.
Yeah, sure was a hassle
So you think there should be no troubleshooting notes for users having difficulty?
Look on the Windows Update site and you'll find plenty of troubleshooting info there too. In fact, a cursory glance shows me that there are whole forums devoted to helping people whose Windows Update doesn't "just work."
I run Software Update and it works fine for me. I don't need the troubleshooting notes.
I've run Windows Update and it's been fine too.
Perhaps this is one of those things caused by just not understanding how to use a Mac. You don't seem to know much about them.
Since Tiger wend GM at the end of March, it's been a month and a half for bug fixing, with the last two-plus weeks of that period essentially the public beta of the OS.
I've already installed it on my PowerBook, and after a few days' time I'll see if it's the update that makes it worth recommending for most of my clients to start their testing. Usually, it seems to take Apple a couple more point releases to really get the major kinks out, so I'm expecting Tiger to hit its stride around mid-summer.
For those of you unfamiliar with Apple release cycles - expect to see a point release like this every 4-6 weeks initially, followed by a cutback to every couple of months later on. Security updates are typically released on a separate basis, about once per month, and will be available for Panther as well for the foreseeable future. Even 10.2 still gets some security fixes now and then. And there will be occasional updates to the iApps and other stuff that are done separately.
There's also a few Safari bugs that snuck in late in the cycle that haven't been addressed yet - Safari is unchanged in 10.4.1.
-- Josh Turiel
"2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
"They" (Apple) weren't supposed to fix anything having to do with VPN clients in 10.4.1.
Making VPN clients work with 10.4.x is completely up to the vendors, and all vendors have had all the information and everything they have fundamentally needed, from a developer standpoint, to make their clients work with Tiger since *last June*.
There is absolutely no reason all of the VPN client vendors shouldn't have had their clients out on April 29 alongside Tiger. Any feigned surprise on their part, or finger pointing at Apple, is completely bullshit. Yes, Tiger changed how things work which "broke" the old clients. But they've also had almost a year to fix it.
According to the Knowledge Base about the update, all previously-installled third-party Mail.app plug-ins will not load. I assume that means that you just need to reinstall them.
Even if you reinstall after the upgrade.
.4 or so, to an AVERAGE of 2, and the temperature inside the box was hovering at 140 degrees.
.2 to .4, the process table is still full of these:
I have a PowerBook 1.5GHz with 2GB RAM, and under 10.4 the internal drive and both firewire disks (one a FW400, the other a FW800) would spin perpetually, my load average went from the normal
All of this has been corrected in 10.4.1 (for me). Load average is back down to
483 mdimport 0.0% 0:03.16 4 67 65 1.83M 7.40M 4.72M 41.8M
but it's no longer grinding all the disks into oblivion.
I can also reboot now. Since 10.4 I could not shutdown or reboot, had to open terminal and reboot manually.
So far this update has resolved many issues I was experiencing.
Anybody know what the deal is with Q2DE?
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
For those of you who are curious, the build number after updating is 8B15. I didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet.
that this makes their PowerBook 17" waaaaay faster?
:-)
Yeah, me neither.
Anyone else here running server?
My Software Update service is not seeing 10.4.1, is anyone else having this problem?
This update still did not enable Quartz 2D-Extreme on my system, so on a hunch, I enabled it manually, as per this hint, and wow... Really nice!
I had temporarily enabled it under 10.4.0 via the debugging tool, but the speed difference was nowhere near what I'm getting after booting the entire OS with it enabled!
A lot of people are reporting bugs with this being enabled, which is likely why Apple still hasn't enabled it by default. But I've had absolutely 0 bugs so far - Which to be honest has only been about 2.5 hours, but still... It's enough to at least justify trying it out IMHO. Using the hint I reference above, you ocan always "reset" it to off, if you do run into problems.
For what it's worth, I'm going to be leaving this on unless some (any!) problems pop up tomorrow. It's very impressive! Even apps which I wouldn't think would be impacted, such as Remote Desktop (controlling an XP box from within OSX) are noticably faster.
For the record, I'm running a dual 2Ghz w/2gb of ram, and an ATI 9600. Your mileage may vary.
New mail 2.01 removes the new 10.4 compatible GPGMail.mailbundle. I guess they can't tell the difference between the Panter and Tiger Version. Therefore I loose easy gpg. ..lj
..lj http://public.xdi.org/=lj
when i am composing a mail message and i have the spell check set to check as i type the misspelled words are underlined in red. when i control click on one of the words to correct it the underlining is removed from all the misspelled words, giving the false impression that they are correctly spelled.
The 10.4.1 Update changes approximately 500 file system objects, not counting files modified only by prebinding.
The summary:
476 changes
16 additions
0 removals
Detailed list of modifications is available here.
For reference - these changes were captured by the OpenSource build of Tripwire, patched for Mac OS X. It's pretty likely that any changes captured on your system will differ in a few ways, but the basic theme should be consistent.
Jason
An object at rest cannot be stopped!
Not to sound negative, but I'm mounting and unmounting Windows XP shares all day without so much of a problem. If there are problems, I'd say it has more to do with configuration issues at the Debian end, because quite frankly, if there were something to go wrong, it'd be between Windows XP and SAMBA, not between one SAMBA server and another.
Then again, like someone else mentioned, why not use NFS? if you've got Windows XP Pro machines, why not chuck services for UNIX on, and mount the NFS shares?
Spotlight re-indexes the system HD. that was a unexpected and gave me reason to go to gym while it finished. I hope future updates dont suffer the same performance hit.
that wasn't even worthy of a troll.
gee, wonder why M@ and Sony both choose IBM?
maybe its platform of future? at least Mac users can look fwd to 3.2 HGZ IBM PowerPc (that RISC to all you WinDOZE trolls) multi core chips BY NOVEMBER as will M$.
i guess m$ finally has given up on the PC for gaming by your logic.
btw, look at Sony PS3 (not 360) specs and cry.
sony understands future of HD. as does Apple. MS is DOOMED! (required troll hyperbole)
as first strike against the grammar Nazi's, try drinking 1.5 pints of vodka at 4 am and posting anything that articulate
I'd rather have it be optimizing for 5 minutes anything than allowing vhe 80,000+ viruses and spyware windows users are infested with for the liftespan of thier hardware.
i imagine from your knee jerk, cry baby frustrations, lack of seeking knowledge queries, you are one of the bit torrent installers. poor you.
poor poor you. whaaa. i had problems on my install so this OS must suck! whaaaa! i seek no information that can allow me to accomplish any adult tasks. so i must cry! Whaaa!
and you think your a IT pro, having updating 10 windows machines, but apparently on your first OSx update you had a problem, and you then immediately post to Slashdot , but as anonymous coward and think you have any credibility in your post implying windows is systematically easier, regardless of security flaws, by posting a article for people who fucked up their installation? yeah, your Kung Fu is the best!
your are a child updating your High school lab aren't you?
Too bad that I still can't send mail over IPv6 with Mail 2.0.1, like I could with the Panther version of Mail.
(The reason is that Mail inserts some random characters in the domain name in the EHLO line when the connection is over IPv6.)
FWIW, as easy as it is to use, I've found it's quite common to have a PC completely trashed by Windows update, particularly under Win2k. The symptom is that it deletes ALL DLLs in the system folder (first error you see is something fatal like 'ntoskrnl.dll not found'). I've had this happen on about 5 machines now, usually shortly after clean installs. There are also 2 Windows updates (853732 and 840987) that reproducibly trash Virtual PC for me. You'd have thought that MS would be able to make Windows work on the only PC they actually sell... YMMV of course.
XP was a point release. 5.0 (Windows 2000) -> 5.1 (Windows XP).
But it's just semantics. Apple uses a nice, consistent versioning scheme.
a.b.c where:
A = Complete OS, possibly breaks compatability with A-1
B = Major OS, significant new features
C = Update OS, bug and security fixes (generally referred to as a point release)
Windows has gone from 3.1 -> 5.1 but you'd never know it from their brand names. They haven't really made an "A" revision since Win3.1->Win95, although Longhorn will be one. MS's equivilent to OS X.
This is really great, but, of course, when I really needed this was right after Tiger came out when I was grading a bunch of undergrad papers, and could have done it all electronically...
I know it will never happen, but it would be nice to see some more bugzilla like representation of current issues with more applications. I also think that the "bug" (reporting) icon that Safari has should work in every app. And they also need to find a way to put a pony in every box...
Babar
Not here, no. Worked fine before 10.4.1, works fine after 10.4.1. However, you need to upgrade to v1.1 (v42, Tiger).
Cheers,
Ian
The truth is, updating your OS can be a hassle, no matter what machine you use. Apple has a fairly good track record, but that doesn't mean it's always going to be painless.
I guess I could own a PC for gaming, instead of for doing real work like my Mac.
Or I could get a console and enjoy a wider selection of games, and not be pigeonholed into dozens of boring FPS rehashes (now you're in WWII! Now you're in WWII in space! Now you're in WWII in space as a SpaceNazi!) or a bunch of repetitive MMORPGS (Now you're fighting monsters for experience! Now you're doing it in space!).
Wouldn't it be nice if the PC gaming industry could be rebooted and start producing more interesting content instead of boring rehashes of the same game over and over? How many Diablo clones, Doom Clones and Warcraft clones can you take before your gag reflex kicks in?
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Is anyone having issues sshing to 10.4.0?
Mine takes about a minute to authenticate, but once it does it works fine. 10.3.x worked just fine.
Anyone else?
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
Yup. I have the exact same noise coming from the area where the right hand speaker is. It's a spanking new 1.67GHz 15" Powerbook and I guess I am going to bring it to the Apple Store for inspection. It doesn't happen right away and usually only when I am playing The Sims.
I hope they fixed the problem with some recovered files appearing randomly in the trash after reboot.
In apple forums many people were affected.
Anybody here had the same problem with 10.4.0?
"Second, Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue by adding widgets to the items that Safari prompts for before a download is complete."
THIS DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM
Widgets are still autoinstalled by Safari when "open safe files" is turned on. PROMPTING BEFORE AUTOINSTALLING IS NOT ENOUGH. This is one of the first things Microsoft did to try and paper over ActiveX, and we can all see how successful that was.
...for those people whose "Software Update" doesn't work. I'm lucky I'm not one of them.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Sorry for the shouting, but I've been watching this slow motion train wreck roll itself out for about a year, since Apple failed to properly close the design flaw underlying the "help:" hole, which is another part of the same problem I see here.
When people are faced with dialog boxes when they do a routine operation saying "what is about to happen may be dangerous", then they pretty soon get in the habit of just clicking "yes" without thinking.
Do you want to delete this file? (click) (oh, hell)
Do you want to run this ActiveX control? (click) (damn)
I spent several years supporting Windows users, and every now and then one of them would come to me and say "I just did something stupid, I got this box, and it asked if I wanted to run something, and I said yes, and now I'm infected". And I'd go clean their PC up. And some of them, a few months later, would come to me again, "I'm sorry, I did it again"...
This was still pretty rare, for a long time, because I'd set up a policy back around 1997 that Internet Explorer and Outlook and every other application that used the MS HTML control was banned. So the only time these problems came up for many years was when someone was using IE against my instructions. A couple of years back, though, we got merged with the rest of the company and my policy was overridden by the parent's "IE only" policy. Then I started getting this regularly.
But, most users were using other browsers, like Netscape. And Netscape (and Firefox, mostly) doesn't have any kind of "auto run" mechanism. You have to explicitly download a file and run it. I still had a few people that did that, but I never had one do it twice, and even when most users were using Netscape it was IE and Outlook where the vast majority of my virus and spyware problems came from.
This is not a hard lesson to learn. Automatically opening safe files after you download them is dangerous. Automatically downloading them is more dangerous. Automatically downloading and installing them when they're not even "safe"? I've watched what happens when you allow that, EVEN WHEN you pop up a dialog box when you do it, and if Apple keeps this up, I'm going to have to treat Safari as the same kind of "Typhoid Mary" as Internet Explorer. It's not quite as bad, I suppose it's like going to work when you've got a contagious cold... it's still not what anyone would call appropriate behaviour.
A previous thread on the same subject here.
Here's fun: what 3D API was used to create Quake, Quake II, Quake III and Doom III?
Clue: It's not the DirectX API.
Saying DirectX is an API that "allows games to run" is a bit like saying that Word is a program that allows you to write text-based documents. You don't need Word to do that, and you can avoid DirectX if you choose.
But then, you seem to be trolling. At least you didn't come out with that "sitting here in front of my new G5 Mac while waiting 17 minutes for it to copy a 20MB file" meme, so you're not all bad.
And why is Linux any better? (I'm assuming you're a Linux advocate here.)
In fact, until I see any evidence that OSS is anything more than copying ideas and letting everyone see the code, I'll go out on a limb and say that OSS has little to no innovation.
As much as I don't like the Windows UI, at least Microsoft are doing new stuff. Well... new-ish at any rate.
What has Linux given us that a proprietary OS hasn't? Is openness is the only answer? Where are the Linux UI improvements that are completely new? Why is it that the thousands of coders behind Linux still can't hack up a new UI concept that passes muster and makes it into a distribution?
Open Source is a great thing. But it's not the only way to go, and closed source can generate a revenue stream that open source simply cannot. Where there's money, there's funding for research into new ideas. It's a sad reality, but it's the only one we have.
That is the stupidest fucking shit I have ever read.
I seem to have hurt your feelings. Did I hit too close to home, here?
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I've got into the (safer but more aggrivating) habit of automatically clicking "No". Long years of running IE and Windows have trained me to be very negative and paranoid.
As a poweruser, I get very sick of dialogues, when I click something, I damn well know what I'm doing, and if not, I can fix it. I'm smart enough to know that when website x tries to load "pornmonkeydialer.exe", I say no, and I don't run it if it somehow ends up on my desktop. ActiveX controls are not an issue of course (use only FF and Safari, haven't run IE in over a year, AT ALL). When something asks me if I'm sure, my first reaction is to scream "Yes, or else I wouldn't have told you to do it!". This is especially a problem in Windows, where I've actually had programs ask me TWICE, after typing DELETE or somesuch as well. Some of the populating aren't morons, and we should not be made to suffer.
Problems, IMHO, are the USERS responsibility, not the operating systems. The user is the boss. I understand the problem in a corporate setting, but it comes down to the admin to safeguard the system, take away the options from the users. At home let them suffer, they support the support industry, and thus strengthen the economy.
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I read somewhere that Apple wrote the Finder in Carbon, just to prove to other companies that they could easily port their software to OS X, so that developers would quickly embrace the new OS. Fortunately, this is no longer necessary, because nobody makes software for 9.x anymore. So the Finder should be rewritten from scratch to take advantage of advances in the OS since 10.0, and to get rid of all the weirdness that happens in the Finder all the time.