There it says that the mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/h2g3_episode 1.asf link is in "experimental 5.1" format. Does anybody know more about that? Is this something that is autodetected in the download to determine a 2.0 or 5.1 mix? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
But when an organization gets owned by Windows bugs which were fixed long ago, people on Slashdot blame Microsoft?
Because any reputable Windows admin must carefully examine if the Windows patch to see if it breaks anything that used to work.
Anecdotal/personal experience follows:
I've been burned three times by UNIX patches (none with Linux). Once was with Solaris about 7 years ago when a patch broke my custom sendmail.cf file by overwriting it w/o asking me. Another time was again about 7 years ago when an AIX box was patched and some custom code that I had writen for it stopped working. Something in the pseudo tty support for a telnet server. The last time was a strange bug in Solaris' lpd daemon a couple of weeks ago. This was not my box, but someone I work with. I believe that there was already a patch that fixed the broken patch by the time we discovered the bug. That took over an hour to fix, but that was because someone slower than me was working on it:)
Many government agencies have not approved XPSP2 yet.
Even the suggestion that they should migrate to linux instead of flattening and reinstalling is premature, and horribly ignorant. A migration to another OS would take a company of that size months, and possibly years to do. Yes it would reduce the TCO, yes few viruses are written for it (so far), but to even suggest that linux would SOLVE their immediate problem is an idiotic proposal.
First, when I read the headline "Computer Viruses Cripple Colorado DMV", I knew that their computers ran Windows. Why? Just a hunch. Never been to Colorado. Never been to the Colorado DMV. I don't run windows. Haven't for years. But every time I hear of a "Computer Virus" it means that it must be a Windows computer.
DMVs used to run "dumb" terminals hooked up to mainframes with black and green screens that the operators could fly though the screens as fast as they could be refreshed (without even using a mouse!).
Since then, they have progressed to Windows PCs and they get shut down for almost a week. PCs vs. dumb terminals require a techie to come periodically and monkey around with them vs. a mainframe guy working on one computer and pretty much if a dumb terminal turns on and is plugged into the network it works. The number of moving parts and parts in general must at least be 5 to 10x that of a dumb terminal. Plus the cost of a PC vs dumb terminal, I think the audience here gets the picture.
A migration to another OS would take a company of that size months, and possibly years to do.
No shit. It was probably less than 10 years since they did the last OS change to Windows, and they should have learned from that, fired the guy that made the decision, and are looking to hire someone new so they can get back to work.
Now I'm not saying to go back to a mainframe, or use linux. But what specifically does MS Windows provide for basic data entry and retrieval that any other OS cannot? Price? Stability? Minesweeper? Solitaire?
Cripes, set your zealotry aside and think.
Exactly. Its called the right tool for the job. Hell, I'm even thinking of getting a windows based laptop for my home network because it has one thing that no other OS has a decent media player (Winamp and a working version of Windows Media whatever) with plugins/codecs galore for it so that I can do what I want with my music and videos. I don't know why, but there isn't anything remotely acceptable for other platforms.
Man, it never ceases to amaze me how much more stupid someone gets in front of a computer. I read earlier in this discussion that the mentality of "safe and secure" computing requires a virus checker. So I decided to write one for my Solaris, Linux, and OS X boxes:
#!/bin/sh
echo "No viruses found!"
exit 0
There, we satisfied that checkbox!
Can anyone justify keeping with Windows for the DMV in Colorado after this incident? Given the track record of Windows, this long downtime, and no hint or promise of it getting better?
I mean, once you have a 40 gig player, I can't imagine needing much more.
Yeah, I said that with my 540 meg harddrive, my 1 Gig harddrive, my 4 Gig harddrive, my 20 Gig harddrive, my 80 Gig harddrive. Once I get my 1/2 terabyte RAID5 music server, I can't imagine needing much more.
Precisely. Stacking charges. This allows the prosecutor's to have 12 charges against you intsead of one. They can then plea bargain down to just one or two charges if you plead guilty. This means prosecutors get their 90%+ conviction records they want if they want to become DA or something, and a lot of innocent people go to jail because they take the plea bargain rather than go through a costly trial at the risk of even longer jail time.
Ah, so its the DAs that make laws now, I knew that the legislative, executive, and judicial branches were diminishing, this is the 1st case of hard evidence for it. Gotcha!/sarcasm
Oh, and BTW, everyone in jail/prison is innocent. Don't believe me, take a poll.
Maybe I'm just more picky than others. I gave $20 to allofmp3.com and got a few albums. I was disapointed and will not go back because some of the tracks were not complete. I had to write a perl script to coordinate parallel downloads, and I'm just not too cool on the whole business model and questiionable legality of the thing.
I would recommend torrents or some other p2p over allofmp3.com. Its cheaper and about the same quality.
On 9/11 he showed that he was not a leader by reading 'My Pet Goat' and waiting for his advisers to tell him how to act.
You cannot blame bush entirely for that. I blame the secret service more than bush while reading the goat book. From what I understand, when the USA is under attack, the secret service is supposed to snatch up the president of the US and put him on air force 1 and stay airborn until things settle down a bit.
Honestly, I would have behaved exactly like bush did given the same circumstances. To me his actions and facial expressions were like "Fuck, this thing really did happen!" He was stunned.
However, myself and everyone else I knew behaved entirely differently on that day. We were in shock, but we wanted to know more info. I don't remember what time I found out. I was unemployed at the time, and I did not have cable or an antenae for my TV. I found out about the events by going to google for a search to get some stuff together for a job and saw the cached news articles on their website. Slashdot was another source of info. To me all of the people on/. behaved normally. Kinda frantic, wanting more info, scared, and in shock. After looking around on the web a little, I went to a neighbors to watch TV for more information.
Bush and his secret service people sat on their asses. That is not at all normal behavior for someone to hear about such news unless it was not the 1st time they had heard about it.
But I'm just one of those tin foil hat wearing paranoid people that thinks everything involving the government is like an iceburg in that we only get to see the 10% that is on top of the ocean.
Good point, but the average american is pretty dumb and seeing a TV program with two of the main candidates can be significant for many people.
The 1960 presidential debates were big for a couple of reasons. 1) it was the first televised debate and 2) many believe that Kennedy won over Nixon because of the debate. Kennedy had a better TV presense, was better looking, and much more composed than Nixon, and the popular opinion was that Kennedy "won" the debate, even though academics and political science ppl thought Nixon won the debate.
Maybe this will convince people that neither are worthy of being president (thats my personal opinion), and they will either simply not vote (argggg!) or maybe vote for a 3rd party or write in.
A little offtopic, but a rant that I want to express.
I'm getting sick of the whole container/codec thing. Noone knows whats inside of a.mov,.wmv,.ogg, etc file. I know whats in a.mp3,.wav,.aac or whatever. I have a Mac with the latest Windows Media Player and it will not play all.wmv files. There is no way that I can tell from a filename that I can even view the file after it downloads.
Every time/. posts an article about a portable music player there is the "Does it play flac and/or ogg?" And then people bring up the specific codecs inside of the.ogg file. If us technoweenies can't get it straight, how can anybody?
Am I the only one that has issues with these multimedia containers?
I love how much power people give to these weasles. The RIAA stands for the Recording Industry Association of America. They have no interest in concert recordings unless they have already been recorded and distributed by an record company that is a member of the RIAA.
But I'm not sure why you'd want them on a portable system. Can anyone really tell the difference between an OGG file and a Flac file via headphones while riding in a subway, walking in the street, or driving in your car?!
Some wierdos like me actually archive their music in lossless formats so that they can enjoy them for years to come. I'm looking to buy a 40Gig player soon myself, and flac would be a nice feature so that I don't have to take the time to encode my music into some other format. To me its more important to be able to quickly swap out my music on my portable vs put more on it. And with flac compression you typically get 50% reduction in filesize, and with a 40Gig disk that equals to over 120 hours of music (about 120 CDs worth). Thats not bad, and to be able to simply delete old files and drag and drop new ones onto the device without any encoding would be very nice.
The only way to stop drugs is to realize that it is a social problem and legislate against it. Use enforcement to stop drugs in their tracks.
Waaay offtopic, but...
Huh? The only way to stop drugs is to kill everyone the first time they try them.
The human persuit of mind and mood altering substances is prehistorical. Its common to all cultures. There are some sociologists that believe that human society came together in order to form a more organized structure and division of labor for the fermentation of grains and fruits.
You could have stopped there. They don't have to do business with China. I don't buy Nike shoes, I only go to Exxon gas stations if I think I'm going to run out of gas, etc. However, its difficult working with computers and electronics and not have dealings with China. Afterall, they provide the best slave labor in the world right now.
Unless it has zero pollution and runs without petrol I don't see anything innovative.
Zero pollution and no petrol is not very realistic.
What I would like to see is a car that can "scale". By this, I mean that a car for 99.9% of its use is to transport one person and little to no extra payload. It would be cool to have a car that was about the size of an Insight, but it could expand with an extra motor and space to the size of an SUV. Yeah, I said SUV on slashdot in a positive context, so mod me down now.
It would be cool if this car had expandable, temporary compartments for payloads like groceries, and maybe even come with something like one of those roof luggage carriers.
It kills me that so many people buy a big car to drive back and forth to work so that they can have the big car the couple of times a year that they need it. I fall into this category, but my car is 13 years old, has over 180,000 miles on it, and it was free, and it works.
Pepsi operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than Coca-Cola. Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.
Yeah, but people have heard of Pepsi and Burger King, and they use their products/services.
We don't like monopolies in our marketplace
Sometimes we do. I'm happy with google being a monopoly for my searches. I've always used one search engine. Before google it was altavista. If altavista or jeeves made a better search engine for me, I would use it exclusively. My main beef with google is that its hard to make a search to differentiate between information about a product and those pesky people that all want to sell me a product. It would be really cool if google would basically have 2 discrete searches. One for buying stuff (froogle) and one just for searches. Its gotten very annoying how companies have googlebombed their name and their products by purchasing a bunch of domains that all point to each other. I personally wish there were more integrity at the DNS level, but thats another topic.
Also note that the "authentic" docs show a letter from "All Electric Camera Works" in California to Kirk Wooster. I can't tell if Wooster is the one selling the item or not. The URL In the parent post says that Wooster turned down $100,000 for it in the past.
Even if I had an extra 150k to blow, I don't think I feel comfortable with this sale. But hey someone might.
Thanks for the link. Good read. I'm not a chemist or a virologist, but it just seems to me that its kinda wierd that AIDS was a big thing up to the early 90s (in the US), and it has since died with press coverage and infection rates. I guess it could be the paranoia and safe sex practices that have helped, but in my experience the safe sex stuff has really died out. The biggest proponents of safe sex in my experience are gay men.
Dunno. All I can say is I could never make a steel building or something less structurally sound like say a house of cards fall as nicely as that guy did. Most people believe it was from fire, but that does not make sense.
We will never know. I guess its time to change my sig, because it seems to get about as much comments as my posts, and I don't like getting into it anymore.
Its a rhetorical question. It will never be answered. Yeah, you can put me in the category of "comspiracy theory nuts" or whatever, but in this case -- it was a conspiracy. al Qaeda at least seems to be involved with the WTC 1 & 2, however they had nothing to do with WTC 7. It could have just been coincidence that WTC 7 caught fire and fell on the same day as the attacks on the Pentagon and other towers. Today, that is the most likely explanation. None of the FEMA documents or other accounts say that there was any direct or indirect relation between 7 and 1 & 2.
I like quoting other "nutjobs" so here goes one:
"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"
-- Adolf Hitler
My sig is to make people think. Again, I don't know what happened, but it surely did not just fall from fire. Not even most controlled demolitions are that graceful in felling a building. That building was occupied by the FBI, CIA, IRS, and was the mayor of NY's $13 million command bunker, and the 47 story steel building just fell down more graceful than a house of cards.
I'm going to have dinner soon, so it does not matter.
Slashdot Mirror
Hmm, seems /.ed. Anyone got a torrent of the dump? Anyway, check this out:
m l
e 1.asf link is in "experimental 5.1" format. Does anybody know more about that? Is this something that is autodetected in the download to determine a 2.0 or 5.1 mix? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/index.sht
There it says that the mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/h2g3_episod
But when an organization gets owned by Windows bugs which were fixed long ago, people on Slashdot blame Microsoft?
:)
Because any reputable Windows admin must carefully examine if the Windows patch to see if it breaks anything that used to work.
Anecdotal/personal experience follows:
I've been burned three times by UNIX patches (none with Linux). Once was with Solaris about 7 years ago when a patch broke my custom sendmail.cf file by overwriting it w/o asking me. Another time was again about 7 years ago when an AIX box was patched and some custom code that I had writen for it stopped working. Something in the pseudo tty support for a telnet server. The last time was a strange bug in Solaris' lpd daemon a couple of weeks ago. This was not my box, but someone I work with. I believe that there was already a patch that fixed the broken patch by the time we discovered the bug. That took over an hour to fix, but that was because someone slower than me was working on it
Many government agencies have not approved XPSP2 yet.
Even the suggestion that they should migrate to linux instead of flattening and reinstalling is premature, and horribly ignorant. A migration to another OS would take a company of that size months, and possibly years to do. Yes it would reduce the TCO, yes few viruses are written for it (so far), but to even suggest that linux would SOLVE their immediate problem is an idiotic proposal.
First, when I read the headline "Computer Viruses Cripple Colorado DMV", I knew that their computers ran Windows. Why? Just a hunch. Never been to Colorado. Never been to the Colorado DMV. I don't run windows. Haven't for years. But every time I hear of a "Computer Virus" it means that it must be a Windows computer.
DMVs used to run "dumb" terminals hooked up to mainframes with black and green screens that the operators could fly though the screens as fast as they could be refreshed (without even using a mouse!).
Since then, they have progressed to Windows PCs and they get shut down for almost a week. PCs vs. dumb terminals require a techie to come periodically and monkey around with them vs. a mainframe guy working on one computer and pretty much if a dumb terminal turns on and is plugged into the network it works. The number of moving parts and parts in general must at least be 5 to 10x that of a dumb terminal. Plus the cost of a PC vs dumb terminal, I think the audience here gets the picture.
A migration to another OS would take a company of that size months, and possibly years to do.
No shit. It was probably less than 10 years since they did the last OS change to Windows, and they should have learned from that, fired the guy that made the decision, and are looking to hire someone new so they can get back to work.
Now I'm not saying to go back to a mainframe, or use linux. But what specifically does MS Windows provide for basic data entry and retrieval that any other OS cannot? Price? Stability? Minesweeper? Solitaire?
Cripes, set your zealotry aside and think.
Exactly. Its called the right tool for the job. Hell, I'm even thinking of getting a windows based laptop for my home network because it has one thing that no other OS has a decent media player (Winamp and a working version of Windows Media whatever) with plugins/codecs galore for it so that I can do what I want with my music and videos. I don't know why, but there isn't anything remotely acceptable for other platforms.
Man, it never ceases to amaze me how much more stupid someone gets in front of a computer. I read earlier in this discussion that the mentality of "safe and secure" computing requires a virus checker. So I decided to write one for my Solaris, Linux, and OS X boxes:
#!/bin/sh
echo "No viruses found!"
exit 0
There, we satisfied that checkbox!
Can anyone justify keeping with Windows for the DMV in Colorado after this incident? Given the track record of Windows, this long downtime, and no hint or promise of it getting better?
Why don't we have a modifyer for "Wrong -2" or something?
T VFAQs.pdf
The spec in laymans' terms for HDTV can be found here:
http://www.triadtwcable.com/cableserv/images/SAHD
What are they going to do, sell you a CD with MP3 files on it?
Thats how they sell DVDs, CDs, and software. Can you think of another archival quality medium.
Or was this a joke that the mods and I didn't pick up on?
I browse with -3 on "Funny" posts. I'm being dead serious.
I mean, once you have a 40 gig player, I can't imagine needing much more.
Yeah, I said that with my 540 meg harddrive, my 1 Gig harddrive, my 4 Gig harddrive, my 20 Gig harddrive, my 80 Gig harddrive. Once I get my 1/2 terabyte RAID5 music server, I can't imagine needing much more.
that by 2008, none of the recording companies will allow me to purchase an MP3 in a store.
Precisely. Stacking charges. This allows the prosecutor's to have 12 charges against you intsead of one. They can then plea bargain down to just one or two charges if you plead guilty. This means prosecutors get their 90%+ conviction records they want if they want to become DA or something, and a lot of innocent people go to jail because they take the plea bargain rather than go through a costly trial at the risk of even longer jail time.
/sarcasm
Ah, so its the DAs that make laws now, I knew that the legislative, executive, and judicial branches were diminishing, this is the 1st case of hard evidence for it. Gotcha!
Oh, and BTW, everyone in jail/prison is innocent. Don't believe me, take a poll.
allofmp3.com is still superior
Maybe I'm just more picky than others. I gave $20 to allofmp3.com and got a few albums. I was disapointed and will not go back because some of the tracks were not complete. I had to write a perl script to coordinate parallel downloads, and I'm just not too cool on the whole business model and questiionable legality of the thing.
I would recommend torrents or some other p2p over allofmp3.com. Its cheaper and about the same quality.
Why steal when you can buy cheaply?
Why pay anything when you can pay nothing?
Not that it matters. But I thought wav's were all PCM data with a header that told you the sample rate, bits, etc.
On 9/11 he showed that he was not a leader by reading 'My Pet Goat' and waiting for his advisers to tell him how to act.
/. behaved normally. Kinda frantic, wanting more info, scared, and in shock. After looking around on the web a little, I went to a neighbors to watch TV for more information.
You cannot blame bush entirely for that. I blame the secret service more than bush while reading the goat book. From what I understand, when the USA is under attack, the secret service is supposed to snatch up the president of the US and put him on air force 1 and stay airborn until things settle down a bit.
Honestly, I would have behaved exactly like bush did given the same circumstances. To me his actions and facial expressions were like "Fuck, this thing really did happen!" He was stunned.
However, myself and everyone else I knew behaved entirely differently on that day. We were in shock, but we wanted to know more info. I don't remember what time I found out. I was unemployed at the time, and I did not have cable or an antenae for my TV. I found out about the events by going to google for a search to get some stuff together for a job and saw the cached news articles on their website. Slashdot was another source of info. To me all of the people on
Bush and his secret service people sat on their asses. That is not at all normal behavior for someone to hear about such news unless it was not the 1st time they had heard about it.
But I'm just one of those tin foil hat wearing paranoid people that thinks everything involving the government is like an iceburg in that we only get to see the 10% that is on top of the ocean.
Good point, but the average american is pretty dumb and seeing a TV program with two of the main candidates can be significant for many people.
The 1960 presidential debates were big for a couple of reasons. 1) it was the first televised debate and 2) many believe that Kennedy won over Nixon because of the debate. Kennedy had a better TV presense, was better looking, and much more composed than Nixon, and the popular opinion was that Kennedy "won" the debate, even though academics and political science ppl thought Nixon won the debate.
Maybe this will convince people that neither are worthy of being president (thats my personal opinion), and they will either simply not vote (argggg!) or maybe vote for a 3rd party or write in.
A little offtopic, but a rant that I want to express.
.mov, .wmv, .ogg, etc file. I know whats in a .mp3, .wav, .aac or whatever. I have a Mac with the latest Windows Media Player and it will not play all .wmv files. There is no way that I can tell from a filename that I can even view the file after it downloads.
/. posts an article about a portable music player there is the "Does it play flac and/or ogg?" And then people bring up the specific codecs inside of the .ogg file. If us technoweenies can't get it straight, how can anybody?
I'm getting sick of the whole container/codec thing. Noone knows whats inside of a
Every time
Am I the only one that has issues with these multimedia containers?
Expect to hear from the RIAA soon. :P
I love how much power people give to these weasles. The RIAA stands for the Recording Industry Association of America. They have no interest in concert recordings unless they have already been recorded and distributed by an record company that is a member of the RIAA.
Also there are 692 bands/artists listed here and available for easy download and another 1200 or so listed here that allow noncommercial recording and trading of their concerts.
But I'm not sure why you'd want them on a portable system. Can anyone really tell the difference between an OGG file and a Flac file via headphones while riding in a subway, walking in the street, or driving in your car?!
Some wierdos like me actually archive their music in lossless formats so that they can enjoy them for years to come. I'm looking to buy a 40Gig player soon myself, and flac would be a nice feature so that I don't have to take the time to encode my music into some other format. To me its more important to be able to quickly swap out my music on my portable vs put more on it. And with flac compression you typically get 50% reduction in filesize, and with a 40Gig disk that equals to over 120 hours of music (about 120 CDs worth). Thats not bad, and to be able to simply delete old files and drag and drop new ones onto the device without any encoding would be very nice.
The only way to stop drugs is to realize that it is a social problem and legislate against it. Use enforcement to stop drugs in their tracks.
Waaay offtopic, but...
Huh? The only way to stop drugs is to kill everyone the first time they try them.
The human persuit of mind and mood altering substances is prehistorical. Its common to all cultures. There are some sociologists that believe that human society came together in order to form a more organized structure and division of labor for the fermentation of grains and fruits.
No.
Its common knowledge that the Chinese government is evil. Now Google, that is controversial because everyone likes them.
If they want to do business in China
You could have stopped there. They don't have to do business with China. I don't buy Nike shoes, I only go to Exxon gas stations if I think I'm going to run out of gas, etc. However, its difficult working with computers and electronics and not have dealings with China. Afterall, they provide the best slave labor in the world right now.
Unless it has zero pollution and runs without petrol I don't see anything innovative.
Zero pollution and no petrol is not very realistic.
What I would like to see is a car that can "scale". By this, I mean that a car for 99.9% of its use is to transport one person and little to no extra payload. It would be cool to have a car that was about the size of an Insight, but it could expand with an extra motor and space to the size of an SUV. Yeah, I said SUV on slashdot in a positive context, so mod me down now.
It would be cool if this car had expandable, temporary compartments for payloads like groceries, and maybe even come with something like one of those roof luggage carriers.
It kills me that so many people buy a big car to drive back and forth to work so that they can have the big car the couple of times a year that they need it. I fall into this category, but my car is 13 years old, has over 180,000 miles on it, and it was free, and it works.
Pepsi operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than Coca-Cola.
Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.
Yeah, but people have heard of Pepsi and Burger King, and they use their products/services.
We don't like monopolies in our marketplace
Sometimes we do. I'm happy with google being a monopoly for my searches. I've always used one search engine. Before google it was altavista. If altavista or jeeves made a better search engine for me, I would use it exclusively. My main beef with google is that its hard to make a search to differentiate between information about a product and those pesky people that all want to sell me a product. It would be really cool if google would basically have 2 discrete searches. One for buying stuff (froogle) and one just for searches. Its gotten very annoying how companies have googlebombed their name and their products by purchasing a bunch of domains that all point to each other. I personally wish there were more integrity at the DNS level, but thats another topic.
Also note that the "authentic" docs show a letter from "All Electric Camera Works" in California to Kirk Wooster. I can't tell if Wooster is the one selling the item or not. The URL In the parent post says that Wooster turned down $100,000 for it in the past.
Even if I had an extra 150k to blow, I don't think I feel comfortable with this sale. But hey someone might.
Thanks for the link. Good read. I'm not a chemist or a virologist, but it just seems to me that its kinda wierd that AIDS was a big thing up to the early 90s (in the US), and it has since died with press coverage and infection rates. I guess it could be the paranoia and safe sex practices that have helped, but in my experience the safe sex stuff has really died out. The biggest proponents of safe sex in my experience are gay men.
I give up. Why *did* WTC 7 collapse?
Dunno. All I can say is I could never make a steel building or something less structurally sound like say a house of cards fall as nicely as that guy did. Most people believe it was from fire, but that does not make sense.
We will never know. I guess its time to change my sig, because it seems to get about as much comments as my posts, and I don't like getting into it anymore.
Its a rhetorical question. It will never be answered. Yeah, you can put me in the category of "comspiracy theory nuts" or whatever, but in this case -- it was a conspiracy. al Qaeda at least seems to be involved with the WTC 1 & 2, however they had nothing to do with WTC 7. It could have just been coincidence that WTC 7 caught fire and fell on the same day as the attacks on the Pentagon and other towers. Today, that is the most likely explanation. None of the FEMA documents or other accounts say that there was any direct or indirect relation between 7 and 1 & 2.
I like quoting other "nutjobs" so here goes one:
"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"
-- Adolf Hitler
My sig is to make people think. Again, I don't know what happened, but it surely did not just fall from fire. Not even most controlled demolitions are that graceful in felling a building. That building was occupied by the FBI, CIA, IRS, and was the mayor of NY's $13 million command bunker, and the 47 story steel building just fell down more graceful than a house of cards.
I'm going to have dinner soon, so it does not matter.