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Ask Jeeves Looks to Outshine Google

bizpile writes "The AP is reporting that Ask Jeeves is looking to distinguish itself from its competitors by adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine. "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president. "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor." This free feature is scheduled to be unveiled Tuesday." With Amazon's new search engine recently arising, it definitely appears to be a critical time for search engines.

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  1. Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pepsi operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than Coca-Cola.
    Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.

    We don't like monopolies in our marketplace, and as a result we always have a place for the perpetual also-ran. Never able to capture the #1 spot may seem depressing, but it's still possible to profit as a #2 and be lying in wait in case the #1 player makes real big mistakes.

    Google will have to seriously misbehave in order to give up enough market share so that Ask Jeeves can pass them. However, having Ask Jeeves parked in the #2 rank spot is enough motivation that hopefully Google will never forget its "Don't be Evil" policy.

    1. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by stecoop · · Score: 3, Informative

      In marketing, you would learn that all arenas of buinsess have 4 players. The 4 companies will occupy 80% of that market. Thus what you are seeing is certain players aligning to fit the model.

    2. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Taco said:
      deifnitely.

    3. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone else noticed that Slashdot is now using pop up ads? As if the constant Sun ads aren't annoying enough. Is nothing sacred anymore?

    4. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's a pop up ad?

    5. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't know--i think its a product of using certain browsers, but since I don't do that, I wouldn't know....

    6. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      A pop up ad is a reminder to use an up to date browser, or at least whatever kludge tool forces your browser to behave itself.

    7. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      In marketing, you would learn...

      I didn't find this to be the case at all...

    8. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Weh · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your insight but I would like to point out that marketing theories usually align themselves with the real world, not the other way around.

    9. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by 3terrabyte · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Different flavor, as embarressing logo.

      Also, they didn't mention one very important thing. Google's Cache. Extremely important in many of my searches where ANY reference to something is needed, even an old link...text only.

      CACHE!!

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    10. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pepsi operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than Coca-Cola.
      Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.


      Yeah, but people have heard of Pepsi and Burger King, and they use their products/services.

      We don't like monopolies in our marketplace

      Sometimes we do. I'm happy with google being a monopoly for my searches. I've always used one search engine. Before google it was altavista. If altavista or jeeves made a better search engine for me, I would use it exclusively. My main beef with google is that its hard to make a search to differentiate between information about a product and those pesky people that all want to sell me a product. It would be really cool if google would basically have 2 discrete searches. One for buying stuff (froogle) and one just for searches. Its gotten very annoying how companies have googlebombed their name and their products by purchasing a bunch of domains that all point to each other. I personally wish there were more integrity at the DNS level, but thats another topic.

    11. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      I don't think I ever learned less than in my college marketing classes.

    12. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One little trick I use which is often helpfull for eliminating the online retailers that have google bombed is to use -shipping at the end of my search. This will generally eliminate sites wishing to sell me the product and leave legit sites with info about the product alone.

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    13. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Mateito · · Score: 1
      marketing theories usually align themselves with the real world

      You didn't read this article.

      I feel that a lot of Marketting departments really are blindly applying theories, but not evaluating results or adapting to a changing, more cynical populace.

    14. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by nemski · · Score: 1
      We don't like monopolies in our marketplace
      Sometimes we do. I'm happy with google being a monopoly for my searches. I've always used one search engine. Before google it was altavista. If altavista or jeeves made a better search engine for me, I would use it exclusively. My main beef with google is that its hard to make a search to differentiate between information about a product and those pesky people that all want to sell me a product. It would be really cool if google would basically have 2 discrete searches. One for buying stuff (froogle) and one just for searches. Its gotten very annoying how companies have googlebombed their name and their products by purchasing a bunch of domains that all point to each other. I personally wish there were more integrity at the DNS level, but thats another topic.
      Monopoly? You might only use Google now, but you have used other search engines in the past. Your use of one search engine doesn't make it a monoply, it just makes you a creature of habit like everyone else.
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    15. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by ryanvm · · Score: 1

      Except the "Don't be Evil" policy is a corporate disadvantage.

      Oh, I know, that's definitely going to be modded a troll. Whatever.

    16. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by drix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree that Google will have to seriously misbehave to lose market share. I think Google could go chugging right along its merry way, with "no evil" and a small army of brilliant engineers and all that, and still wake up one day and find itself at pr near the bottom of the slagheap. Problem A is that people have no brand loyalty on the web, whatsoever. The cost of my switching from Google to AskJeeves, or Amazon to BN, is nil. How many of us went from using AltaVista to Google and never once looked back? Problem B is that their whole business is built around one or two neat little conceits: namely, PageRank and a highly streamlined UI. The latter is easy to rip off (already has been) and the former leads to... Problem C: it's difficult at the top. Everyone optimizes for PageRank, meaning the quality of Google's results is constantly degraded by commercial websites trying to game the system. The moment someone comes up with something as smart and new as PageRank was in 1996, all bets are off. This, BTW, is I think why Google mounts such a ferocious and self-consciously elite recruiting effort. The realize what a fragile equilibrium their dominance is based on, and they want to hire that someone before (s)he realizes they're sitting on a goldmine.

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    17. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by otisg · · Score: 1

      Add to that this graph, which shows that The Butler & Co. are not going anywhere, while Google looks like it ate a ton of Duracel batteries.

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    18. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      Oh no, you just have to find ways that the public doesn't perceive you to be evil enough that it hurts your market. You need to factor public perception into the cost of your decisions.

      Google seems to do this well... Introducing ads is evil, introducing them outside of the results is also evil, but the negative perception is outweighed by the long term profit. Putting ads within the search results (as Yahoo did), resulted in such strong negative public perception that the reward from the advertising was outweighed by the damage.

    19. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it just me? Lately on Google I've been doing searches and most of the pages on the top 20 don't have all the words I placed. Not even in the cached pages. I've even tried with the +, also using the - brought out more hits?

      I know that they've broken some of the rules for one reason or another but it's starting to get pretty annoying.

    20. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by radish · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes the 4 major players in the Console business. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and, errr, and....Sega? Maybe not.

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    21. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Jahf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cache is important to geeks. Geeks have never followed traditional market share rules.

      What makes Google more popular with the masses (beyond the obvious things like having one of if not the best databases) is ease of use.

      Sad, but it's true, it is simply easier to remember to type "google.com" than "askjeeves.com".

      Why?

      "Google" is a simpler word (2 g's, 2 o's, 1 l, 1 e ... all very common letters) versus "askjeeves" (1 a, 2 s's, 1 k, 1 j, 3 e's, 1 v ... k and v being far less common)

      Additionally when you think of "google" it is a single word that, because it has no other meaning for most folks except as that funny word they learned in 7th grade math (though possibly misspelled) has been able to become synonymous with "search" because it doesn't conflict with any other associations.

      "Askjeeves" is actually 2 words that form a rudimentary sentence that you then have to remember to condense back into one word, none of which is synonymous with "search" (to many, "searching" and "asking" are 2 separate actions).

      Corollary to the above, you can turn "google" into a verb, thereby attaining the idea of "googling someone". The brain doesn't compute "I askjeevesed someone" and the closest "I asked someone" isn't comparative because it is not specific enough.

      Google may have stumbled on it (or been far more market savvy than people thought in the "old days"), but plain and simple they have a TERRIFIC brand to work with from a marketing sense. Most of the arguments above can be made for almost every other search facility out there except Yahoo! (who still lose out on the simplicity of letters but have a longer brand record).

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    22. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1
      "outside of the results..."

      Are you out of your mind? Google has the least evil ads in the world - in fact, sometimes they're useful. (i.e. I have clicked on Google's ads, never on any others, except inadvertently)
      With the ads at the side, you can quickly glance at them and most importantly, quickly determine their relevance. Not relevant - move on.

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    23. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      You're not paying attention to the thread. What do you think would make people more happy? Ads or no ads? Nobody wants ads, people just recognize that they might be a necessary evil.

      Google made a decision, they weighed ad revenue against the anticipated ill-will on the part of their customer base. They decided against including it in the results, for which Yahoo was a clear example that the cost was too high, so they decided that they would try putting them on the side of the results. The outcome was favourable, they attracted very little ill-will and still earned ad revenue.

      If Google can find a way to make more money by being evil, they'll no doubt take it... it just happens to be that the people controlling it are sharp enough to spot what will attract an unmanagably bad amount of ill-will.

    24. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

      http://www.deloitte.com/us/bullfighter Deloitte & Touche have a program called 'bullfighter' which has dictionaries of buzz words to tell you how full of it your marketing letter is (It's a word/powerpoint add-on). 'world class' is in there, as well as most of the other buzz they used in their article.

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    25. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can just type 'ask.com' to go to Ask Jeeves.

    26. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, your "Ease of typing" argument gets completely reversed on you when you take into account the fact that you can use "ask.com" or even "aj.com" to get to Ask Jeeves.

    27. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also rans? I prefer Pepsi and Burger King to Coca-Cola and McDonalds you insensitive clod!

      Ask Jeeves however just plain sucks for useful results :)

    28. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by sancho_pancho · · Score: 1

      Sad, but it's true, it is simply easier to remember to type "google.com" than "askjeeves.com".

      How about remembering "ask.com"?

    29. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Kick+the+Donkey · · Score: 1

      The exclude search is probably the most under-utlized feature on google. You can find some more info on it here:

      http://www.google.com/help/refinesearch.html#exclu de

      I use it a lot when I'm looking for info on Oracle. If you've ever tried to do a search with 'Oracle' in you keywords, you get a bunch of results about training and certification and such nonsence. So I always add a "-training -course" to my search, and it helps me refine what I'm looking for.

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    30. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      I want ads. The other day I was trying to find a place to buy giant chess pieces (for an outdoor chess board.) The ads contained more relevant sites than the actual search.

      Now, if I was on a 300 baud connection (getting, oh, maybe 1200 bps), I might be upset by the bandwidth consumed by the ads. But the marginal cost of the ads to me is ZERO. There is a non-zero probability that the ads will contain useful information. I don't perceive that as evil.

      Contrast that with AskJeeves. I left AltaVista (remember when it was the best?) for AskJeeves years ago, because Jeeves queried multiple search engines, including AltaVista. Within about six months, I was getting only sponsored links in the results of my searches. THAT is evil. That's about when I discovered Google.

    31. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      When do you suppose advertisers will start charging service providers for sending them content?

    32. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I don't know, dude. When I first read the title, I thought, "Ask Who?" - it's been so long since Ask Jeeves was contextual with web searches that I don't even see them as being in the running.

      There are many, many more search engines with superior functionality than Ask Jeeves, with a "different flavor" than Google but still roughly the same functionality. Ask Jeeves seems pretty dysfunctional to me, and I know of nobody that uses it. I don't think I know anyone that ever actually used it, really. It was just a fad - oh look, we can search with full-english sentences! Google can do that now, too. It's no big deal.

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    33. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      It's a feature, not a bug. After all, you're only going to get pop-up ads in a browser broken enough to display /. correctly :)

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    34. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by susano_otter · · Score: 1

      I think it has something to do with whether or not "ask.com" is a memorable site...

      What I want to know is, why would people doing ad-hoc, spur of the moment, impulse searches care about server-side tools that remember their searches?

      And why would people who care to make a permanent record of their search results not simply bookmark the sites they like, once they find them?

      I don't see much room for server-side rememberance tools to catapult Jeeves into first place over Google.

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    35. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Looking at it the wrong way. If you use the less restrictive grouping of "Computer gaming machines", that fourth space opens up to PCs.

      Rich

    36. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Cpyder · · Score: 1
      Sad, but it's true, it is simply easier to remember to type "google.com" than "askjeeves.com".

      Do you really surf to the site every time? I think most of us use some kind of browser-integrated search mechanism, be it a separate field (Firefox or IE toolbar), an option in the url field (Mozilla), a keyword (gg:searchterm in Konqueror if I remember correctly). You can get or configure these for AJ too.

      On the Url: what about ask.com or even aj.com?

      Currently, I find myself using A9 quite often on pc's without a Google toolbar/field. You can just surf to a9.com/searchterm, instead of google.com/search?q=searchterm.. really easy, especially now that they are using a more eye-friendly colour scheme than the previous (beta) one.

    37. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by radish · · Score: 1

      Which basically == Microsoft (as the OP specifically said companies, not products). So I still only see three.

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    38. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by True+Grit · · Score: 1
      The 4 companies will occupy 80% of that market.


      Let me see, so for PC operating systems the companies must be:

      • Windows XP
      • Windows 2000
      • Windows NT
      • Windows ME/98/95


      Wow, I'm sure Microsoft is worried about all that competition!
    39. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by garymcg · · Score: 1

      Pepsi operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than Coca-Cola.

      Burger King operates "at a world class level", but they "just have a different flavor" than McDonalds.


      We're talking "Ask Jeeves" here. I think they would align more closely with RC Cola and Hardees. We're not even close to number 1, but amazingly there are some people who prefer us.

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    40. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the only one disadvantage of Ask Jeeves. Looks like it cannot find many websites. I've submited search for Fahrenheit polish fanzine by typing: "fahrenheit eisp" (should have returned link to www.fahrenheit.eisp.pl) but it hasn't found it. Instead it presented 5 pages that contained the text "www.fahrenheit.pl" in their bodies. I guess it simply doesn't/isn't able to extract internet addresses from web pages it indexes.

      I don't care about fancy features unless it works ok. Google doesn't have such funny gadgets but at least it works!

    41. Re:Perpetual also-rans have a place in this world. by squaretorus · · Score: 1

      The cost of my switching from Google to AskJeeves, or Amazon to BN, is nil.

      I stick with amazon because they have my 4 shipping addresses, 3 credit cards and my history handily stored.

      When a regulator comes along insisting that retailers hand this information to competitiors on request I'll have nil cost switching. (As I do when I switch electricity provider).

  2. Just as good as Google.... by YankeeInExile · · Score: 3, Funny

    The line Google is not better than us, we're both world class reminds me so much of Doctor Nick's "As Good As Doctor Hibbert" yellow page ad in the Simpsons.

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    1. Re:Just as good as Google.... by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ask Jeeves' various search engines, which include Teoma, Excite and iWon, held a 6 percent share

      Even at a 6% share it's a huge market. It is however difficult to get a better position by solely giving users the ability to save bookmarks. I already have bookmarks integrated in my browser of choice, thank you very much.

      "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president

      Go tell that to the 36% of the people that are using Google instead of Ask Jeeves

    2. Re:Just as good as Google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to ask.com and search for the word search. First on the list is Google.

    3. Re:Just as good as Google.... by Gromgull · · Score: 0

      at AAAI, Peter Norvig, director of research at google , gave a talk, and someone asked him "how do you measure search quality?" and he told the story of how the ask jeeves people had asked him that once, because they measured it by comparing with google :)

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    4. Re:Just as good as Google.... by KillerLoop · · Score: 1

      If they manage my bookmarks, offering plugins for Firefox for instance, that allows said bookmarks to sit on their server and be available to all my browsers (home, office,...) in a "roaming profile" way... hell, I'd love that feature.

    5. Re:Just as good as Google.... by Mateito · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. but my browser of choice at home (Opera) doesn't show the bookmarks in my default browser at work (Mozilla) nor those one whichever dev box I'm working on (Netscape, IE, Mozilla, Opera)

      Delocalized Bookmarks would be very handy for me, and once every fridge, PDA, Cel phone, GPS, Gameboy, Calulator etc etc has an integrated Web browser, it will be more important still.

      If they do it, and patent it in such a way that Google can't follow, that could very well give them an edge.

    6. Re:Just as good as Google.... by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      You can do this already - you put your bookmarks on a thing called a "web site". Check it out!

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  3. Flavor? by Chagatai · · Score: 5, Funny
    "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor."

    Kind of like pork ice cream.

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    1. Re:Flavor? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Kind of like pork ice cream.

      Or from one of the Simpsons episodes, where they visit a dollar store and pass a stack of cases of

      Cool Ranch Cola

      My stomach turns every time I think what that might be like.

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    2. Re:Flavor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not from the parts of the South where they put ranch on everything, are you?

    3. Re:Flavor? by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      You're not from the parts of the South where they put ranch on everything, are you?

      I loathe ranch dressing, cool or otherwise. When I could eat dairy I loved bleu cheese dressing on plain baked potato, which I figured out for myself back in the late 60's.

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    4. Re:Flavor? by otisg · · Score: 1

      What, you tasked their butler?

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    5. Re:Flavor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my friends are any indication, that's not a Southern thing, it's more of a "fat guy who doesn't care about being fat" type of thing.

    6. Re:Flavor? by robotoverflow · · Score: 1

      Squeamish people always tell me that McDonalds uses Pig Fat in their shakes and soft-serve icecreams, so although it may just be a well spread rumor there's a chance you might not be far off the mark.

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    7. Re:Flavor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmmmm pork i... uh, can I go now?

    8. Re:Flavor? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Funny
      Also:

      "No pizza. Only Khlavkalash!"

      "We've got Mountain Dew and Crab Juice"
      "Ew, uch, ewww, yuch! I'll take the crab juice."

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    9. Re:Flavor? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      When you hear something that sounds implausable like that, no matter how much you want to believe it, make sure you check it in Snopes before repeating it on the web.

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    10. Re:Flavor? by Shaper+of+Myths · · Score: 1

      Cool Ranch Cola?

      Sounds like a challenger to this stuff...

      I'd love to see the results of a taste test between them though...

  4. What's the big deal with Google? by Threni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use different search engines all the time, more for a laugh than anything. Frankly, they all find what I'm looking for. I like the fact that they don't all suffer from Google's inability to cope with wildcards.

    Detect*

    is more convenient than

    detect OR detecting OR detects OR detector

    for example.

    1. Re:What's the big deal with Google? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Google now uses stemming technology. Thus, when appropriate, it will search not only for your search terms, but also for words that are similar to some or all of those terms. If you search for "pet lemur dietary needs", Google will also search for "pet lemur diet needs", and other related variations of your terms. Any variants of your terms that were searched for will be highlighted in the snippet of text accompanying each result.

      But I guess being able to explicitly do it yourself would be nice. A Google search for "detect" as you suggested only seemed to yield results for detect, not detecting etc. but maybe it works better on less common words.

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    2. Re:What's the big deal with Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I use different search engines all the time, more for a laugh than anything

      And they say that Nerds never do anything exciting!
    3. Re:What's the big deal with Google? by hamilton76 · · Score: 1

      Wiggidy-whack?

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  5. What a crock of poo. by grub · · Score: 5, Informative


    "Ask Jeeves is touting its service as more user-friendly because it doesn't require the installation of any toolbars or software programs."
    FUD. Google and other search engines don't require toolbars or software installation.

    "The next generation of search isn't going to be about who can build the biggest indexes (of Web pages)," said analyst Charlene Li of Forrester Research. "It's going to about finding better ways to personalize search results and modify the way the results are presented."
    That's outright idiotic. I want the most relevant search results based on the largest index possible.

    I just 'asked jeeves' to look up my real name in quotation marks: 481 hits. Google? 1420. A quick glance to the last hits on Google are indeed relevant. What has AskJeeves missed? Google isn't going to rest on their laurels, AskJeeves will be playing perpetual catch-up. Now when have you heard "Ask Jeeves" used in the common vocabulary? What about Google? It's a used as a verb now.

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    1. Re:What a crock of poo. by mirko · · Score: 0

      Google and other search engines don't require toolbars or software installation.

      No, but they would not have that success (yet) if there had not been these Google-search widget in Safari and Firefox.

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    2. Re:What a crock of poo. by grub · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I don't buy that. Internet Explorer defaults to MSN for its searches yet it isn't the top used search engine even though IE is still the top used browser. People have decided to use google over their default MSN search.

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    3. Re:What a crock of poo. by moonbender · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about Google? It's a used as a verb now.

      So is "ask" the trademark word pioneered by the just-as-good engine AskJeeves. It's even used figuratively outside the context of web searching - talk about capturing people's minds!

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    4. Re:What a crock of poo. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google and other search engines don't require toolbars or software installation.

      If you want to rate links you need the google toolbar.

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    5. Re:What a crock of poo. by RenatoRam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, right, like the marketshare of FF and Safari made google what it is today.

      Don't be silly, please.

      Google was already the best search engine out there, and outshining Altavista (previous top-dog), before the toolbars/searchboxes even existed.

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    6. Re:What a crock of poo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUD? FUD? How the bloody-all-fuck is that FUD?

    7. Re:What a crock of poo. by mirko · · Score: 1

      Google is still very far from Altavista's syntactic engine.

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    8. Re:What a crock of poo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Ah! That's interesting, thanks!

      g

    9. Re:What a crock of poo. by evolve75 · · Score: 1

      "Ask Jeeves" touts it's own toolbar as well bang on the front page ...

    10. Re:What a crock of poo. by Otter · · Score: 1
      I just 'asked jeeves' to look up my real name in quotation marks: 481 hits. Google? 1420. A quick glance to the last hits on Google are indeed relevant.

      Well, you're certainly a lot more famous than me!

      I suppose you'd have done even better Googling your nick, although most of the hits would probably be responses to "Aaaugh! Why did Fedora just blow away my Windows partition?"

    11. Re:What a crock of poo. by K1-V116 · · Score: 1

      ... I want the most relevant search results based on the largest index possible...

      Relevence is precisely the reason to personalize searches, because what is relevent to me may not be what is relevent to you. When I look up a piece of technology online, I'm much more likely to be looking for technical information on how it works, followed by product reviews, and _then_ possibly where to buy it, while Joe down the street might find the "Where to buy" information more relvent on average than I would. Would I use a search engine that had a smaller index but knew I preferred technical articles over one that buried me alive with several thousand pages of "buy it here!"? You bet I would.

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    12. Re:What a crock of poo. by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1
      You're crazy.

      Why do you think Apple and the people behind FireFox chose to have Google as the default searching option?

      Money? I think not.

      And even if that were the case, where did Google get all their money?

      The founders weren't rich when Google began. They had a great idea, and brilliantly executed it.

    13. Re:What a crock of poo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strawman. How do you rate links with askjeeves?

    14. Re:What a crock of poo. by kawika · · Score: 1

      I just 'asked jeeves' to look up my real name in quotation marks: 481 hits. Google? 1420.

      No, the real problem with AskJeeves is that you have to scroll past the first screen to see NON-PAID results. Try auto loans or spyware.

      The spyware search is especially scary. Naive users (are there any others that visit AskJeeves?) are going to think the paid links are reputable sources of information. Instead of using Ad Aware or Spybot they'll be buying garbage products that don't work or make the problem worse.

    15. Re:What a crock of poo. by Electrum · · Score: 1

      If you want to rate links you need the google toolbar.

      Or view a URLs PageRank.

    16. Re:What a crock of poo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just 'asked jeeves' to look up my real name in quotation marks: 481 hits. Google? 1420. A quick glance to the last hits on Google are indeed relevant. What has AskJeeves missed?

      Sounds like Google has their KAOES system up and out of beta. AskJeeves is still working on theirs, but you can be sure that AskJeeves will implement the "kiss the ass of ego surfers" system much better than Google does - it will be guaranteed to return more than 2x as many hits as google does for all ego surfers.

    17. Re:What a crock of poo. by mirko · · Score: 1

      Despite it has not as large a database as Google, Altavista has the best query language around, now prove me wrong and prove me crazy, please.

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    18. Re:What a crock of poo. by RenatoRam · · Score: 1

      I don't question the sheer power of the query language (I honestly don't know it at all). But I clearly remember the pre-google days when you'd search the same thing on multiple engines, comparing the results (which lead to meta-engines), and the "your search matched 1,346,789 pages" in Altavista.

      If I search for something in google it is normally in the first page (most commonly in the first 3 links), or it does not exist at all.

      Do you imply that writing a correct query in altavista would lead to similar results? Why should I? I can write a couple of words in google and press I feel lucky!

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    19. Re:What a crock of poo. by mirko · · Score: 1

      Do you imply that writing a correct query in altavista would lead to similar results? Why should I? I can write a couple of words in google and press I feel lucky!


      I never use the "I feel lucky" button in Google and yes, in Altavista you can have queries such as (translated from the av query language) :
      find in the pages which contain the word slash but not dot and which do not contain the sentence "that matter*" (note the *) in sites which url contain the word dot but not...

      etc.

      Can you exclude sentence and other conditions in Google ?

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    20. Re:What a crock of poo. by RenatoRam · · Score: 1

      Look, I'll try to explain this again: IT DOES NOT MATTER!

      At least certainly not to the "wide public". People normally don't even know that you can exclude words (in google with the minus), do you really think they'll learn boolean logic to do complex OR and AND queries?

      I'm not saying that AV query language is not wonderful, I'm saying that it does not matter at all to make the top search engine.

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    21. Re:What a crock of poo. by mirko · · Score: 1

      Exactly, my point : I don't like Google because it's not flexible enough for my own use as AV is.
      So we're both happy and we're both right.

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  6. Faliure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Failure already. How can you hope to be a goood search engine, when the non-sponsored results are half way down the page? Give me a break jeeves, ask yourself why you are still trying.

    1. Re:Faliure. by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 1

      If you don't want the paid ads then go to their Teoma site instead. It's the same search engine, just a lot fewer sponsered/paid links.

    2. Re:Faliure. by Shinglor · · Score: 1

      My first experience was terrible. I clicked on a result and it was opened in a frame. That immediately ruled it out of my list of potential Google successors.

      Vivisimo and Teoma are looking good so far but why is it that none of them can use basic web standards properly?

    3. Re:Faliure. by maethlin · · Score: 1

      The frame thing can be removed - it's a preference setting. But agreed that by default you should dump the frame.

  7. AskJeeves reads once and indexes at will by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was certainly distinguishing itself in my logs... I recently moved to a "gallery.lazylightning.org" setup from lazylightning.org/gallery/. Oblivious to the problems this would cause w/my robots.txt I had every spider and their brother killing my webserver with requests.

    Anyway, so I create a new robots.txt file that includes all the individual directories from the gallery directories. AskJeeves apparently read the robots.txt the day before and thought it was then ok to index the site after that at its leisure. It spent the next two days indexing my site even though it was ignoring the new robots.txt put in place about 24 hours before.

    AskJeeves will no longer be indexing my site as I just banned their know IP ranges. If you are going to compete as a search engine you best make the people you are spidering happy.

    MSNBot was spending the time indexing my site as well but they didn't fail to ignore the new robots.txt that was put out there. Thanks! :)

    1. Re:AskJeeves reads once and indexes at will by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      It was certainly distinguishing itself in my logs...

      Must... refrain... from making... corn... joke... Aughhh!

  8. Does Jeeves use Google? by SlongNY · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesnt Jeeves use google as its backend?

    1. Re:Does Jeeves use Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesnt Jeeves use google as its backend?

      Actually, I prefer the term 'jovial.'

      - Jeeves

    2. Re:Does Jeeves use Google? by dykofone · · Score: 1

      Well, I went ahead and asked. And yep, looks like they have a three year contract that started in 2002, so it'll be up within a year.

    3. Re:Does Jeeves use Google? by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 1

      That contract is for paid advertising, not search. Jeeves has their own search engine based on technology they acquired from Teoma.

  9. Not better by Negatyfus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Google is not better than us," Jim Lanzone of Ask Jeeves said. "Google is nowhere near as good as we are! In fact, Google does not exist! They are nowhere near Bagdhad! And we have shot down one of their Apache helicopters!"

    1. Re:Not better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I nominate that comment for "Best use of the Iraqi Defense Minister in a Joke".

  10. I've seen this before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... by adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine.
    I liked that feature better the first time, in the original Mosaic browser, when they called it "Bookmarks."
    1. Re:I've seen this before.... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter... ;)

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    2. Re:I've seen this before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was called a Hotlist. AND you just got served.

    3. Re:I've seen this before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  11. A Younger Jeeves by TheJavaGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It looks like Mr. Jeeves got a lot younger.
    Before:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20030324210627/http://a sk.com/

    After:
    http://ask.com/

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    1. Re:A Younger Jeeves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Hair transplant didn't take, however

    2. Re:A Younger Jeeves by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      It looks like Mr. Jeeves got a lot younger.

      He's lost weight. You would too, if you had to make do with the scraps left for you by the big players.

      I suppose next they'll try for some "corporate" look.

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    3. Re:A Younger Jeeves by jfengel · · Score: 1

      When they got Stephen Fry to play Jeeves in the TV series, people complained because he was too young to play the role. They had an older guy in mind from reading the books. But Fry knocked the role out of the park; maybe they were hoping for the same succeess.

      Sharp eye, BTW.

    4. Re:A Younger Jeeves by theamarand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not only younger, but you'll notice, he goes from a gray pin-striped suit (almost like a butler) to a more managerial, executive, corporate-friendly guy.

    5. Re:A Younger Jeeves by DrXym · · Score: 1
      It looks like Mr. Jeeves got a lot younger.


      That's not necessarily a good thing from a marketing perspective.


      Captain Birdseye (logo of a UK food brand) used to be a snowy bearded old gentleman - an old duffer sailing around with a ship full of children. Perhaps because this might be misconstrued, they changed Captain Birdseye to a yound stud with a woman on each arm. It can't have done much good, because after a few years they changed him back again.

    6. Re:A Younger Jeeves by Mazem · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or does Mr. Jeeves look like the evil butler from The Shining?

  12. ask.com by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    I'll be darned. I didn't even know they were still around. Back when it was the latest HOT search engine I was continually frustrated with how it invariably came up with stuff completely irrelevent to whatever I was searching for. I got tired of that and moved on.

    I had seend something where Jeeves/Ask is somewhere in the remaining 3% of the search engine market not dominated by Google and Yahool. They've got a ways to grow.

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  13. Amazons new Search engine is powered by google by Noizemonger · · Score: 1

    Amazons new search engine is just a new frontend for google and some other engines and dbs (for example: amzons database *Surprise*). A9 is NOT a threat to google. When A9 wins- Google wins. Simple as that.

  14. Diversity is a Welcome by redfirebmd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm a firm believer that we need diversity and competition in the computing world if we want to see progress. Just as it is counter-productive for MS to have a monopoly on the OS world it is undesireable to have only one search engine out there.

    Just because Google thus far has been a very good company and used its power appropriately doesn't mean we should be satisfied with only one search engine. If we want to see innovation we need healthy competition, so I wish AskJeeves and all the others good luck.

    1. Re:Diversity is a Welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      even though i think google has a monopoly on the search engine (well lets call it extreme dominance) they are not just trying to shut everyone else out.

      they are continually innovating to stay ahead of the game.

      thats rare for a company with such an incredible lead.

    2. Re:Diversity is a Welcome by AstroDrabb · · Score: 1
      thats rare for a company with such an incredible lead.
      Well, according to the article (which you did read : )) it said that Google grabbed 36% of the web searches, Yahoo! had 29% and AskJeeves (which includes Teoma, Excite and iWon combined) only had 6%. 36% to 29% is not such and "incredible lead" to me. So Google better keep working hard to stay at the front.
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    3. Re:Diversity is a Welcome by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      Those numbers aren't even close to accurate given the incredible number of sites which use google as a backend, just cause you stuck your portal on it don't make it not google.

    4. Re:Diversity is a Welcome by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Google grabbed 36% of the web searches, Yahoo! had 29% and AskJeeves (which includes Teoma, Excite and iWon combined) only had 6%. 36% to 29% is not such and "incredible lead" to me.

      True, but I reckon a large portion of those using Yahoo to search are yahoo mail users who use it because they're already there. I don't think any significant portion of those 36% are likely to go somewhere else until that somewhere else has a better search engine. If anything, the GMail thing should start to siphon off Yahoo people.

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  15. getting crowded by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 1

    How many others are going to throw their hat in the 'seach' ring? oh well, at least we don't have askjeevesmail or askjeevestunes (yet!) I can see how AJ is looking for a different target audience, as I think Google has the general one locked up, but what can they offer? Their 'natural language' search fell apart, so what will they bring that is truely new/unique to the table?

    CB$#@(&*$

  16. To bloat or not to bloat... by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It all comes down to whether you appreciate a clean, uncluttered interface, or if you want anything but simplicity. Google has pulled it off the best. Ask Jeeves is currently basically a lame ripoff of the Google interface, and A9 is fairly clean but there is still too much going on for my tastes. Any other major search engine has way, way too much going on. And regardless of how amazingly fast A9 works, I am certain that plain old Google will continue to be the cleanest, fastest, and most efficient search engine. My only gripe is that searching on Google is still far from intelligent.

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    1. Re:To bloat or not to bloat... by Frennzy · · Score: 1

      AJ did not 'ripoff' google...it was around before google, IIRC.

      They had their little butler dude logo (Jeeves himself) back in 96/97, I'm almost certain.

      I did just go check it out, and they have simplified the main page a bit, but I wouldn't say that's a 'lame ripoff' of google.

  17. Google as a verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    What about Google? It's a used as a verb now.

    It's a perfectly cromulent word.

  18. Who? by StevenHenderson · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had never heard of Ask Jeeves until I googled for it.

    1. Re:Who? by perdu · · Score: 1
      Really, I thought they had gone under years ago!

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  19. Seriously by jetkust · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lets face it, people don't want to organize links. The only thing they want is to find what they are looking for. The one that does that the best is the best engine. The one that finds exactly what you're looking for every time. THIS is the next generation search engine.

    1. Re:Seriously by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1

      Time for a plug. My favorite search engine is this. Doesn't give you exactly what you are looking for, but it uses clustering technology. The clustering of the reulsts, IMHO, makes it easier to sift through the results than either Google or Jeeves.

    2. Re:Seriously by otisg · · Score: 1

      I agree with this! I hate managing my links (aka bookmarks aka favorites aka the stuff in your browser that you can never find when you need something and never know which folder to file it under). However, I like having my own personal search engine that lets me full-text search the contents of bookmarked web pages. That's what I use Simpy for (see sig). Smaller index, my stuff, my 'neighbourhood', etc. Try the demo and see for yourself (but be kind to this shared account). Long live search, death to hierarchies!

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  20. Is Jeeves Gay? by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Used to be that when you asked "funny" questions, you got "funny" answers. In fact, you can read the old result to this question here. So - they may have confused more potent technology with "growing up" in a way that Google, thankfully, has yet to do.

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  21. AJ better if implemented as advertised... by magarity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ask Jeeves prompts the user to ask in plain language but the thing just parses out keywords and does a standard search. It doesn't interpret the intent of the question so all kinds of wierd results come back that have nothing to do with what you're looking for (just like a typical Google or Yahoo search). If it actually did try to figure out what you are really asking then it would be a lot more useful. Since it doesn't, why even pretend?

  22. They have the same answers to important questions by Noksagt · · Score: 1
  23. Google this.. by Artie_Effim · · Score: 1

    look, with google branching out into the browser market, the online shopping market, the newsgroup market, the news market and the email market, why oh why would anyone want to compete with them. Its a classic American Way story in the International venue. Embrace Google for what it has become, look for a new app instead of trying to beat them. An old boss once told me that it is impossible to "out-Starbucks Starbucks", so don't try. Instead, innovate !!

  24. Rest of the quote by revery · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone

    They just deliver better results and are more useful to the average user. And if that makes them better... [whispers to aide]what was my point again[/whisper] ...we have a cartoon butler!!

  25. so does everyone else by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember when Google came out. Not much talk on their part about what they were going to do ... rather they just went out and kicked everyone's butt.

    I'm not quite sure if this annoucement isn't just to make investors happy or to make the Ask Jeeves more 'sellable' but if search.yahoo.com couldn't wack Google, what makes AJ think they can?

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  26. Re:Ask Jeeves sucks by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not Flamebait. This was an old easter egg in Ask Jeeves. Doesn't work anymore though. He also used to answer "What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?" with "What do you mean? A European or an African swallow?"

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  28. Different flavors.... by thewiz · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president. "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor."

    I prefer my Google with chocolate and sprinkles.

    If your favorite search engine were a flavor, what would it be?

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  29. deifnitely ! by bwy · · Score: 5, Funny

    it deifnitely appears to be a critical time for search engines.

    It also deifnitely appears to be a critical time for dictionary.com.

  30. Really? by jbrw · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Looks to Outshine Google"? Well i'll be...

    I wonder how much boardroom time was wasted on trying to decided whether to announce the "Outshine Google" press release or the "Continue to Be Google's Bitches" press release?

    Thank god there are highly paid staff in place at Ask Jeeves who can make the right decisions for the stockholders!

  31. between the sheets by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

    All these search engines are great but they are nothing without content. Whoever successfully wins the race to get between the transaction of searching for content and the content itself is going to make a dookload of money. On your marks, get set.. GO!

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    1. Re:between the sheets by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      All these search engines are great but they are nothing without content. Whoever successfully wins the race to get between the transaction of searching for content and the content itself is going to make a dookload of money. On your marks, get set.. GO!

      But the content is nothing unless people can get to it. That's the entire point of the search engine business: indexing publicly accessable web pages. You can't "get between" the content and the search engine unless you also get between the content and the intended consumer.

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  32. Different flavour... by jobber-d · · Score: 1

    Is that why Ask Jeeves threatened a lawsuit against the Something Awful website when one of their comedy goldmines featured photoshop parodies of the Ask Jeeves browser, whereas Google didn't seem to mind when the same was done to them?
    Maybe if they want to be respected as much as Google they should learn to act more mature, rather than throw lawsuits around when someone pokes a little fun at their product

  33. I just 'Asked Jeeves' something..... by HerculesMO · · Score: 5, Funny

    Query: "Does AskJeeves suck?" First Hit Title: "10/19/1999: ASK JEEVES is the worst site on the internet" I'd say it works pretty well... :)

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    1. Re:I just 'Asked Jeeves' something..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you mean: does ask jeeves suck?

    2. Re:I just 'Asked Jeeves' something..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried "Does Google sucks?" on google? Sure enough the first hit is

      tech ronin: Google Sucks! :)

    3. Re:I just 'Asked Jeeves' something..... by alwsn · · Score: 1

      I like the related search options:

      "Suck Your Dick Jeeves"
      "Will Jeeves Suck Me"

      I hesitate to check to see what those searches would return.

  34. Yes by baronben · · Score: 1

    Yes they are.

  35. Ice Cream. by iamdrscience · · Score: 1
    "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor."
    To paraphrase Garth from Wayne's World:

    "If Ask Jeeves were an ice cream flavor, it would be pralines and dick."
  36. Why is this so difficult? by Control+Group · · Score: 5, Interesting
    They don't Get It(tm).

    That's all there is to it. Based on this blurb, I went to look at Ask Jeeves, and see what they had to offer. Ran a search, clicked on a result - and they lost me when they kept control of a portion of my browser window so I could run another search.

    I don't understand why so many companies don't understand such a simple concept: get off my back. Isn't Google's example clear enough for them? I like Google because it's fast and accurate, by and large. Because it's a simple page that loads quickly even if I'm somewhere on a dialup. It doesn't pop windows over or under my browser window. In short, Google acts like they want to help me, rather than like they want me to help them.

    That's all there is to it. I can't think of a feature a search engine could add that would overcome Google's interface advantage. To get my clicks, another search engine would have to have an even more simple interface, and I see that being hard to accomplish.

    Wait, I lied. If a search engine was able to somehow figure out what I mean conceptually rather than contextually, I would use it all the time...but since that would require an almost human level of language comprehension, I don't think I'll need to worry about switching any time soon. As it stands, AJ's "natural language" abilities were just "we won't tell you we ignored 'of' and 'the' in your search request."

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    1. Re:Why is this so difficult? by Control+Group · · Score: 1

      I should also mention that this blurb caused me to go back and give them another chance despite them already being classified as "useless" in my head based on trying them out way back before I found Google. (Late nineties? Certainly before /. posted the "interview with Ask Jeeves" way back in the day...you know, the one with the bees...maybe I'll go ask Google to find that /. story, and then Ask Jeeves to find that /. story, and see which one gets me better results...maybe I'll also stretch this parenthetical out a bit longer...)

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    2. Re:Why is this so difficult? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why so many companies don't understand such a simple concept: get off my back.

      because very few companies are ran by people that understand what their company does, makes, offer's.

      the "invasive" company tactics are always put in place by PHB's and fresh CEO's that think their idea is great and refuses to get other input on it outside of his "yes" circle.

      The Good Boss and Executive seeks out those that hate his idea and will ask "why?" and "how can this become better?" and the rare.. "Is there a better way?"

      Every company that has invasive tactics, like the cablemodem company that FORCES their crud on their "install" CD upon your computer or the tech is leaving with the modem, to the website that has annoying sidebars or other crap that pop's up after you leave has a leader that is absolutely clueless and not a real businessman/woman.

      The companies that realize that they need to leave the customer alone win. those that try to pester the customer as much as possible eventually disappear.

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    3. Re:Why is this so difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The companies that realize that they need to leave the customer alone win. those that try to pester the customer as much as possible eventually disappear.

      Yeah, that's why spam died off all on its own.
      You think the CEOs are dumb, well they are still smarter than at least 70% of their customers...

    4. Re:Why is this so difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      85% of spam is illigit.

      I suggest you learn before spewing.

      I do kind-of agree with lumpy, dumb company leaders = dumb company tactics

    5. Re:Why is this so difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is "illigit" you mean something that isn't intended to generate money? Doubtful.

  37. Check this out by Swamii · · Score: 1

    Go to ask.com and search for "oscar best picture 1997" or similar. You get a nice banner saying "The 1997 Best Picture award was given to "Titanic" Looks like they're doing a little text recognition there in addition to standard searching.

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    1. Re:Check this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like someone is smoking some crack and spouting buzzwords when that someone doesn't know what they mean.

      Text recognition? When did ask.com become an OCR service?

  38. Searchblog Coverage by TravisWatkins · · Score: 1

    John Battelle has covered the new Ask Jeeves as well. You can read what he has to say about it at his site

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  39. What's the big deal with Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it good, or is it whack?

  40. Interview With A Search Engine by Xpilot · · Score: 1

    Satirewire.com "interviewed" Jeeves a while back. The results are nothing short of hilarious.

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  41. To outshine Google, filter Wikipedia clones by ortholattice · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Jeeves people, read this if you want be distinguished.

    One of the most infuriating things about Google is that when there is a match to a Wikipedia page, there may be dozens of Wikipedia spam clones that show up first. Besides barraging you with unwanted ads, these spam clones are often outdated, and special symbols such as in math formulas tend to be corrupted. Once you suspect your match is in Wikipedia, you often have to do a site-specific search for Wikipedia even to show up on the list.

    Wikipedia is important enough that it deserves a special exception to whatever algorithm picks these spam clones first, if that's what it takes to do it. Google ignores this problem in spite of repeated complaints. Fix it, Jeeves, and I'll become a regular visitor.

    1. Re:To outshine Google, filter Wikipedia clones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I doubt that Google will ever fix this problem for a very simple reason: most of these "clones" have Ads by Google on them. Wikipedia, on the other hand, has no ads, and therefore doesn't benefit Google in any way.

      Jeeves, take note. By placing the clones before Wikipedia, you are helping your competitor.

  42. Telling. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    How can jeeves outshine google?

    First result of Ask Jeeves: Hmm?

    First result of Google: Ahem.

    There you have it.

  43. Small HTML Critique by cthrall · · Score: 1

    From ask.com:

    > Search Just Got Personal. Take the MyJeeves Tour!

    Ok, the whole line is the same style (plain red text). Why do I have to mouseover the last two words to figure out it's a link?

  44. google advertising by firstadopter.com · · Score: 1

    All this anti-google stuff is kind of weird, since a big chunk of Ask Jeeves profits come from Google advertising program.

  45. No, Goole is better.... by Thrymm · · Score: 1

    As long as aj.com continues to keep "sponsored web results" which look like the "web results" I'll continue to use google, which at least their sponsored results are clearly marked and on the right hand side.

  46. Simplicity is the rule of the day by YetAnotherName · · Score: 1

    And that's where Google still wins. Jeeves has icons, Red Cross donations, and more. And to make all the various links less intrusive, they're in a tiny-tiny font; Google's search page links are normally sized and still don't intrude. Overall, Jeeve's page has a lot of visual noise.

    1. Re:Simplicity is the rule of the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Google, please fetch my robe and slippers," just doesn't have the right ring to it (and it also doesn't work!), regardless of your superficial opinion about visual noise.

  47. Re:They have the same answers to important questio by moonbender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, at least the AskJeeves site didn't return an advertisement for "Big Huge Penis pictures".

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  48. bad use of word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "With Amazon's new search engine recently arising, it deifnitely appears to be a critical time for search engines."

    'Arising' doesn't fit here. Maybe you meant 'appearing'? In that case, change the word 'appears' in the next sentence to 'seems' (to avoid word redundancy) and you're good to go.

  49. Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 4, Informative

    What, you mean like ~detect~? Seems to have a wildcard function to me.. aswell as literally hundreds of advanced functions that almost no other search engines posses..

    1. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 1

      Hhmm.. actually it seems you only actually need to use the ~ symbol before words, not after. My bad.

    2. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Threni · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > What, you mean like ~detect~

      Sort of, except ~protect~ gets me words which Google's algorithm decides are similar, such as "password", "defend" etc, and not "unprotected", although perhaps that's because it just looks like ~word~ means *word* but perhaps actually means word*. Hard to tell when it's not documented anywhere.

      > literally hundreds of advanced functions that almost no other search engines
      > posses..

      *Literally* hundreds? Where are they? Is the ~word~ thing documented anywhere? I did look! Is this stuff in beta?

    3. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Barondude · · Score: 2, Informative

      Limited documentation is at http://www.google.com/help/refinesearch.html.

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    4. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Documentation on ~ was only 2 clicks away from the homepage (the "more >>" link, then "web search features" at the side of the next page).

      As for the features of google, there's no way I'll be able to list them all here, but they can all be found by looking through the links in help pages and whatnot...
      Well, here's my attempt anyway: search within the url, search within the title, search within the page, search for similar terms, search for exact terms, search within ragnes of numbers, search within dates, search within certain sites or tlds, search for certain filetypes, search for images, webpages, products. Theres specially made pages which search for U.S government stuff, mac stuff, bsd stuff, microsoft stuff and linux stuff, search for things in universities, theres google news, the calculator, spell checker, language translator, file translator, google answers, alerts, groups, gmail, blogger, toolbar, apis, theres that local search thing, maps, google directory, photo organiser, upcoming google browser, etc. etc. etc.

    5. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google still needs the NEAR keyword, or something of similar functionality. This little gem allows you to search for a set of common words that are not necessarily a phrase but where the returned resultset should prioritize those entries where the words occour in close proximity to each other. It's the one feature I REALLY wish Google had.

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    6. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Informative
      ... you mean like ~detect~? Seems to have a wildcard function to me..

      That's not wildcard, that's synonym searching. From the Google docs:

      " ~" Searches

      You may want to search not only for a particular keyword, but also for its synonyms. Indicate a search for both by placing the tilde sign ("~") immediately in front of the keyword.

      For example, to search for food facts as well as nutrition and cooking information, use:

      ~food ~facts

      Google does do wildcards, but only in quoted strings. They don't seem to have documented it on their website, but I've found it here, among other places.
      Google search tip: wildcard word (*)

      Google treats "*" as a wildcard meaning "any word". You can use it in phrases to: Ignore unimportant words

      * "all but * anything but" (vs, and)
      * "shanked * jengaship" (my, your, his jengaship)

      Fill in phrases where you don't know a word

      * "phyllis * tam" pomona (a middle name)
      * "the * family is my boss" (hard-to-understand song lyrics from a song in Office Space)

      See how people have filled in expressions and jokes

      * "185 * walk into a bar"
      * "friends don't let friends * *" (*'s at the end just keep the phrases from being cut off in snippets.)
      * "* is to * as * is to *"

      Crudely "search by proximity"

      * "The shareware version * 10 levels"
      * "The shareware version * * 10 levels"
      * "The shareware version * * * 10 levels"

      It's pretty powerful, but it's only in what google calls a ``phrase search''.
    7. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      And of course we all know that the standard wildcard char is the "~".

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    8. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      swell as literally hundreds of advanced functions that almost no other search engines posses..

      Such as the ability to index the crappiest sites in the world that provide no vaild content?

      Google bombing has rendered Google a pain in the ass for a lot of seraches now. Try searching for product reviews. The highest ranking pages are simply pages that consolidate links of other revies (and bombard you with advertising).

      There needs to be a way to filter those crap sites off of Google somehow.

      If this practice continues, all it takes is for another search engine that comes along and filters that crap out by default to dethrone them.

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    9. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Wizzo1138 · · Score: 1

      In soviet russia, Google searches for you!

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    10. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by Ninwa · · Score: 1

      Kind of like this? http://labs.google.com/sets

    11. Re:Oh re-hehehehe-eally? by afidel · · Score: 1

      nope, more like mercedes NEAR classic NEAR model. If you did a google search on the three terms you might find tons of irrelevant links where the three words are used on the same page but not to describe a single object and searching for them as a phrase will exclude too many relevant links.

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  50. Obligatory SCO Tie-In by helmespc · · Score: 1

    SCO: Linux is not better than us... we both operate on a world class level, just with 2 different flavors. SCO, well we're Rocky Road. Linux you see... air flavored... because it doesn't exist *rimshot*

  51. Cursed Political Correctness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Aw.

    It's been awhile since I used AJ, but back in the day, you could ask, "Are you gay?" And Jeeves would respond, "I prefer the term 'jovial.'"

    Not anymore, alas.

  52. Yes and No by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jeeves uses Googles paid advertisments, but their search engine is entirely their own. They bought the company Teoma, which had developed it's own competing search technology. That's what all the Jeeves properties use for search now.

  53. Indexing News? Not Really by Lovedumplingx · · Score: 1

    I used to work for a company where (originally) my sole position was the $8/hr. Indexing specialist. It was my job to read all the Search Engine news and other junk that was going on so our website would be ranked higher than others.

    The only thing I can say for trends is that Google is one of only three that still offers free submission into their indexing survice and that most of the other search-engines started struggling to keep people coming to their site when they started requiring people to pay to be listed with them.

    This is another ploy to add a User-friendly item to an Index that just isn't as robust as the competition...namely Google. If all the SEs would stop requiring Joe Smallbusiness paying $150+ in order to submit their website than maybe their listings would have better information and people would start using them again. Maybe it's too late though because Google really is a sweet service.

  54. Dump Jeeves by iamacat · · Score: 1

    ask.com started out as a pretty useful service where many questions had a human-prepared answer and if not you got aggregated top results of other engines. Ads had to come in and would be fine if they did it a normal way like Yahoo or Google. But now if you ask a question like "What to visit in Paris" you get no hosted answers and suspicious web links that mostly promote hotels, airline fares and so on. How hard is it to just say Louvre and Notre Dame?

    Was there a specific new CEO who did it or did they just gradually went down the tubes?

  55. Re:Ask Jeeves is a search engine? by BadMrMojo · · Score: 1

    I remember asking him if he was gay back when I was like 15 and giggling at the results,

    I am so fucking old...

  56. Amazon's A9 as search engine == Win 3.1 as GUI OS by LetterJ · · Score: 1

    With all of the people on this site who railed for years against Windows as a complete OS, instead calling it a GUI shell over DOS, I find it amusing that A9.com gets called, over and over again, a search engine when it's just a wrapper for Google, ads and all.

  57. Jeeves has it wrong by khendron · · Score: 1
    AskJeeves is adding, IMHO, useless features.

    "Like its rivals, the company is trying to develop new ways to persuade visitors to return more frequently and stay longer once they're there."

    What is nice about Google is that they don't keep you there. Once I have found what I am looking, I don't want to be in the search engine any more.

    "Users of the new MyJeeves features will be able to save Web pages by clicking on a clearly marked button next to every link turned up in a search request. The saved links then can be placed in individual folders sorted by topic, such as "maps,""weather" and "shopping." Personal notes can be added."

    I can already do this. It's called bookmarks.

    '"The next generation of search isn't going to be about who can build the biggest indexes (of Web pages)," said analyst Charlene Li of Forrester Research. "It's going to about finding better ways to personalize search results and modify the way the results are presented."'

    I think this is so wrong. I do not like personalized pages. I like to know that when I am looking at something, I am seeing the same thing as other people. Nothing is more frustrating than finding a neat page (or part of a page), and not being able to explain to a friend how to find it because her customizations are different.

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  58. Not better than us? by kmb · · Score: 1

    Let's hope Ask Jeeves isn't the first one to offer a grammar checker.

    (So shoot me for being a pedant....)

    1. Re:Not better than us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dipshit.

      "not better than"
      "not greater than"
      "not less than"

      "if better than us, then they kick our ass."
      "if x is greater than y, then it's bigger."

      I love retards like you.

    2. Re:Not better than us? by kmb · · Score: 1

      It should be "better than we," "retard".

      http://www.longview.k12.wa.us/mmhs/wyatt/homewor k/ grammar/less15.html#than

      Or

      http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/052.html (see "personal pronouns after than")

  59. New feature: Deliberately ignoring search results by cpghost · · Score: 1

    One feature that I really miss in ALL search engines is the ability to mark a link as "irrelevant to me", so that it doesn't appear in subsequent searches. Kind of: "Don't show this link again" or "Don't show links from this site again".

    Why is such a feature desirable? If you want to monitor the Web for an special topic, and you only want to see new results, it's always a pain in the neck to manually skip over old, known links or sites.

    Any search engine that implemented this feature would be a breeze!

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  60. Thought it was interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that Microsoft wasn't mentioned in the article. I know there's MSN search already and a search engine in the works for Longhorn.

    Not to troll, but it is somewhat satisfying that the search engine "business" just might give Microsoft pause for thought on what it's like being the underdog (read: Linux) for once.

  61. Another One?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, everyone stop.

    When are companies going to realize that creating something SIMILAR to google is going to do nothing. The reason google was successful was because it was different, and worked well. All Ask.com and Amazon are doing with these search engines are putting a new frontend on it, and calling it the new way to search. Think of something new, and we may actually take a look.

  62. /linux by f00fbug · · Score: 1

    google has http://google.com/linux askjeeves has no http://askjeeves.com/linux when askjeeves gets a linux section.. i will use it :P

  63. OBSimpsons quote (#2) by schon · · Score: 1

    Apu: Perhaps you would like to try an experimental flavour of my own concoction. A delicious Chutney Squishee.
    Bart: Oh, okay
    Apu: You can really taste the chutney!

  64. Re:Ask Jeeves is a search engine? by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    Suprisingly though, I can ask that same question at the age of 23, and still laugh. :)

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  65. Stupid feature by TuringTest · · Score: 1

    The "save and organize links" is stupid in a web engine: you usually decide that a web page is worth saving after you have read it, and then you are no longer seeing the results of the search. It is far better to have a separate tool like Furl and Spurl, that you activate with a bookmarklet.

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  66. Save and organize links to Web pages?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    Is this "feature" for users who are too stupid to save Favorites or Bookmarks in their browsers?!

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    1. Re:Save and organize links to Web pages?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably for users who are too stupid to use only 1 computer, yet can't remember exact URLs to sites they haven't visited in months.

    2. Re:Save and organize links to Web pages?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

      Or for people who are too stupid to simply put their "bookmarks.html" file up on their personal website, so they can easily access it anywhere in the world.

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  67. And the related query... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... "Suck Your Dick Jeeves" is shown in the Related Searches box.

  68. No, You're Thinking of AssJeeves.Com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you're thinking of www.assjeeves.com

    1. Re:No, You're Thinking of AssJeeves.Com by N0TVQ · · Score: 1

      ...and it's registered, too! ROTFLMAJO...

  69. No NLP, no Q&A [Re: AJ better if implemented.. by j.leidner · · Score: 1
    That's right.
    If you read their technology page you'd think they can read your mind, but ask.com cannot generate answers, not even extract them; it simply responds with link lists like everybody else.

    In the old days, they had a feedback mechanism in place where you had to choose what you mean from a list of candidate questions that the system believed you wanted to have answered. It was cumbersome and is gone now, but there doesn't seem to be any improved Natural Language Technology in place (yet).

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  70. FUD back at ya. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "FUD. Google and other search engines don't require toolbars or software installation."

    If you want to use Google to remember your bookmarks and other features than just searching, it does.

    Therefore, you're the FUDmonkey :P

    I swear, Google fans are more fanatic than Apple users.

  71. Cool! Bookmarks! by maloi · · Score: 1

    "... adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine."

    Man, I've been waiting to be able to bookmark web pages for AGES! I'm glad someone's finally gone and implemented this, I'll definitely be switching to them now!

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  73. Google is the best for different reasons by VAXGeek · · Score: 1

    Google is the best because of the no-nonsense search. Nothing is gross looking, there's not ads everywhere. These other companies are missing the mark. Google is simple, fast, and correct. That is why people love it.

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  74. Its "natural language" feature doesn't work by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In theory, if Jeeves actually did a good job of understanding natural language--as good as decade-old AI--it would be very useful for certain kinds of searches that are difficult on Google (without using a certain amount of lateral thinking).

    For example, there is a series of detective novels by in which the author Jack London, best known as the author of "The Call of the Wild," is a character (the detective, in fact).

    If you can't remember the author or title and want to find these books, it is very difficult to do so with Google. Most searches return mishmashes of results about the author Jack London and detective novels by other authors.

    If the premise of AskJeeves were correct, it would be perfect for this search.

    But, in fact, if you type in "What are some detective novels in which Jack London appears as a character?" you get exactly the same kind of mishmash as Google gives you. AskJeeves isn't, for example, smart enough to go in turn to amazon.com and search in "books" for "Jack London detective" (which returns "The Golden Gate Murders" by Peter King as the second hit).

    AskJeeves doesn't seem to do much more than throw away irrelevant words.

    If the "natural language" feature of AskJeeves worked, it would be part of my search toolkit. In fact, every time I've used AskJeeves, the results I get are inferior to those I get with Google or Yahoo.

    1. Re:Its "natural language" feature doesn't work by noidentity · · Score: 1

      In theory, if Jeeves actually did a good job of understanding natural language--as good as decade-old AI--it would be very useful for certain kinds of searches that are difficult on Google (without using a certain amount of lateral thinking).

      A program that understands a user's intentions predictably is useful: the user simply states his request. A program that doesn't try to be smart and just does what the user says, is also useful: the user translates his intentions into commands for the program, using a simple model. A program that tries to be smart but fails is not useful: the user has to correctly fool the program into doing what he intends it to do, using a complex model.

  75. Ask Jeeves overly optimistic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president.

    Yes, they are. The search results sucks -- I checked earlier today and it's a search engine with results reminding me of the nineties.

    "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor." This free feature is scheduled to be unveiled Tuesday."

    See, here's where I think Google is different. If they don't say otherwise, it is a free feature. Simply having to put emphasis on these things show they have a different goal -- not innovating to gain popularity, but trying to gain popularity through marketing. Google don't push Google Groups by yelling "this is cool and best of all free", same with Google News, etc.

    You know something might suck if they feel the need to put emphasis on that a feature is free... before it's even available.

  76. Is Ask Jeeves offering these? by mks113 · · Score: 1

    http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-9534e1b21b-1dfc9f9 595-01f1e218ff

  77. Ads from Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the sponsored links... they're from... Google! :D

  78. OBSimpsons quote (#3) by THEbwana · · Score: 1

    MMmmmm Tomacco!

  79. Re:"I can't think of a feature" by nusratt · · Score: 1

    "I can't think of a feature a search engine could add that would overcome Google's interface advantage."

    complex/nested/parenthesized booleans, a-la altavista, deja-news, & sql.

  80. Flavor preferences by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 1

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president. "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor."

    This is a very good point. Both of them are excellent at what they do and what they do could be compared to a flavor. Google is much like chocolate and Ask Jeeves is unfortunately Ass. Need I point out which flavor is preferred.

    1. Re:Flavor preferences by Zareste · · Score: 1

      "Google is not better than us,"

      Oh ho yeah, Ask Jeeves is better, except for, y'know, the whole 'you can't find jack shit using it' thing.

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  81. What Makes a search engine Stand out ? by tecman84 · · Score: 1

    What makes a search engine Stand out to better then any other one they all have there own features that makes them better for something's then others So I ask again How are we is people to decide how to group all the good apples in to one and say this one engine stands out from all the others

  82. Oh, really? by MHleads · · Score: 1

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone

    Then, how come I haven't seen "Ask Jeeves" plugin for any browser, yet?

    "Jeeves has something that is more polished and more robust " than Amazon's version, said Danny Sullivan

    Sun's marketing team has tough competition!!

  83. A9 by sulli · · Score: 1
    I have tried A9 a bit. It's not too bad - like Google it has a fairly clean interface.

    Ask Jeeves I never liked very much - it has always promised more than it could deliver. When it doesn't actually answer the plain English question more than once or twice, most users (including me) forget about it.

    Plus the name is silly and recalls the worst of the dot-com excess. Jeeves? Who cares who Jeeves is? Just "Ask" would be simpler.

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  84. very easy to do by Glog · · Score: 1

    They can outshine Google very easily - by turning belly-up and exposing their squishy, shiny underside already!!

  85. So was Napster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yup, from what I remember anyways

  86. different flavor alright by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone, an Ask Jeeves senior vice president. "We are both operating at a world-class level. We just have a different flavor."
    Exactly. Just like smoked salmon and spam just have different flavors.

    I admit it's been years since I bothered to go to askjeeves. When last I made it a habit to go there every few months, typing any term whatsoever (like "hairball justice") would result in the most prominent links asking me "Would you like to shop for hairball justice online?"

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  87. Jeeves says Altavista is the best search engine by Monoman · · Score: 1

    http://web.ask.com/web?q=what+is+the+best+search+e ngine%3F&qsrc=0&o=0

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  88. And my personal favourite... by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

    I love the fact that google gives the chance to view pdf's as text... I hate waiting for Acrobat to load - IMHO it's a POS technology that no business should have used.

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  89. Model by apankrat · · Score: 1

    Outside of marketing, you would learn that the model is a generalization of a common pattern, which usually allows for and ignores some cases as unfit.

    Search Engine market is exactly a case like this.

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  90. Re:/microsoft by dbretton · · Score: 1

    google has http://google.com/microsoft . Does that mean you'll stop using it?

  91. Re:Amazon's A9 as search engine == Win 3.1 as GUI by yohaas · · Score: 1

    That's actually a good point - although it is a good GUI at that. I really like A9 - the interface is slick and the features are great. Allowing me to keep track of what sites I have seen and when is really nice. Built in bookmarks, images, movies, books search, GuruNet results - almost everything is there. I'd like to see groups and news integrated too - I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

  92. Wrong. by igotmybfg · · Score: 1

    No one cares about organizing links through some website - they can already do that through their browser; not to mention that with browser bookmarks, control rests with the user. This is a stupid feature that hardly anyone will use.

  93. Mod parent funny .... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    That interview is funny.

    And, as I recall, about the par for the course for why google is ranked number 1.

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  94. Ralph Nader is looking to be president! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because they said it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Ask jeeves lives and dies by the uninitiated and naive users. Incorporate Ask Jeeves with every new computer browser just as a link in the bookmarks area, and you're bound to double site traffic just by blind luck. It does not mean that they're going to surpass, or even approach google anytime soon.

  95. Re:"I can't think of a feature" by Control+Group · · Score: 1
    Hrm

    You're right. I don't know how I missed that one, in fact. I can't count the number of times I've struggled with the "friendly" interface to get it to do what I could have done in seconds with proper boolean logic.

    Good call.

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  96. Altavista v Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which search engine will be the first to find this post based upon searching on the following words?

    Idaho rabid jackalope bite attorney

  97. Why Ask Jeeves... by kortex · · Score: 1

    ...when you can get *relevant* results in far less time from Google? At least that has been my experience. And to put themselves on a par with Google...I guess one should remember the ant and the rubber tree plant...

    "...cause he's got hi-i-igh hopes, he's got hi-i-igh hopes, he's got - high in the sky-y-y, apple pi-i-e hopes..."

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  98. No I DON'T want "new" and "exciting" features... by graaah · · Score: 0
    by adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine

    Things like that is exactly why I DON'T like them... Google is a good searchengine, and that's what I want. Nothing more, and nothing less. Bookmarks I have in my browser. And Amazon's new search isn't any better. If I want to search for images, I go to the image search. I don't want them next to my text-searches. Altavista seems to have understood this, as they are now more like Google than they used to.
  99. Been there by apankrat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Must be Atkins or something

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  100. I don't get it. by wkytechhead · · Score: 1

    While MyJeeves has it's place, I don't see how it is groundbreaking enough to give AJ.com any kind of boost up to Googles current level. Is the race to become the next Google so important to other long time search engines such as Ask Jeeves, that they would just throw something together and make a press release. I use Google daily, but honestly it is because like Yahoo used to be, Google has managed to brand itself as the be all search engine. Google got where it is at by being clean and simple to use. The whole MyJeeves thing while not complicated isn't anything worth bragging about.

  101. 2 things by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    "The AP is reporting that Ask Jeeves is looking to distinguish itself from its competitors by adding new tools for visitors to save and organize links to Web pages they find through the company's online search engine. "

    Ok, 2 things, first off, your web browser called and it wants its Bookmarks back.

    Second, how ironic that this story shows up today when I just discovered Aks Jeeves on Ebaumsworld last night.

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  102. A9 vs Google ? A question which isn't, really. by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    With Amazon's new search engine recently arising, it deifnitely appears to be a critical time for search engines.

    I mean the so-called new Amazon search engine is using Google's results (which nobody denied, it even was stated countless times in writings about A9). Hell, however hard I try to convince myself, I can only think of it as an extension or improvement of Google searches, but that as the most.

    So why's the hype ? Never mind, that's just a poetic question, no need for an answer.

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  103. Here's one by perdu · · Score: 1
    Fill in phrases where you don't know a word
    Try "who put the * in the * * * * *"

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  104. Equal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I wanted to go check the cache of this article in Ask Jeeves, but they don't cache. I tried to use the Ask Jeeves API to build a caching system myself, but they don't have one.

    I'm willing to bet that, once this gets ridiculed on usenet a bit, Ask Jeeves will still not have a way to search usenet.

    Oh, well. Some equal things are more equal than others...

  105. new seach feature by sosuke · · Score: 1

    while they are at customization, why not have a exclude these pages from further search options, so i can get rid of all the crap in my searches and get down to the good stuff faster

  106. Jeeves uses CYC tech for better AI based search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeeves should make it be known that they use the really cool AI technology of the CYC project to get you a much better search than simple AI (thats probably used on other search engines) as CYC at least has a better handle on connecting infoprmation aboout items and their releationships to each other.

  107. Two words by alexo · · Score: 1
  108. "Search Engine Wars" do not really exist by blueworm · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does anyone else think that there really isn't a "Search Engine War" going on? All these dumb articles keep talking about searches competing but people seem to just discover the search engine they use most by chance when they start using the web and stick with it.

  109. Stemming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that what he wants is "stemming" -- to get all forms of a given word, and I understand that Google does that automatically.

  110. If you can't remember what books Jack London... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...appears in, then you're beyond help.

    Sincerely,
    Jeeves

  111. Re:Ask Jeeves sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a link to the page that Ask Jeeves used to return if you asked whether he's gay: http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/isjeevesgay.html

  112. Feh. by Y2 · · Score: 1

    Jeeves. Feh. I've tried it four or five times over a couple of years and never gotten anything useful.

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  113. Don't be so quick to scoff... by maethlin · · Score: 1

    Nobody is going to out-Google Google, not in the near term. But quit I think it's silly how knee-jerk some people are in defending their preferred brand... I also use Google as my primary search engine, but lately I've been using Jeeves more and more. Why? 'Cause Google gets WAY more spam these days from people who target it specifically in order to increase their relevancy rankings. It's like the Microsoft/Apple thing... more idiots target Google, and Jeeves is left relatively "clean". In addition, sometimes Jeeves *gasp* literally just returns more relevant results. Quantity isn't everything. Though personally, I can do without the touchy-feely Jeeves char and layout... so I use their backend directly: http://www.teoma.com

  114. But.... by maethlin · · Score: 1

    .....this is more like "Mobile Bookmarks" ;)

  115. Q: Who is this Jeeves, anyhow? by nyri · · Score: 1

    A: He is a character created by P.G. Wodehouse. Mr. Jeeves work as a gentleman's gentleman for a slacker, Bretie Wooster. Jeeves is one heck of a problem solver. In fact Winston 'The Wolf' Wolfe is a cry baby school boy compared to Jeeves who has an answer to any question you might imagine. Hence, the name for a search engine.

    The stories are also dramatized by the ITV with Hugh Laurie as Wooster and Stephen Fry as Jeeves.

    Personally, I liked TV dramatizations very much and recommend them to everyone.

  116. I Like the new look! by mustangsal66 · · Score: 1

    Aks Jeeves

    They need to work the their technology a little though.

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  117. nemonix.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really I suppose the Christmas Island Internet Administration did the trolls a favor because goat.cx is easier to remember than goatse.cx.

  118. Oddly enough by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    If you ask Google if Jeeves is gay, Google will send you off to the old Jovial page -- which still contains the answer.

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  119. Brain Boost - nat lang by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    BrainBoost seems to trying to fill the void left by AJ.

    I asked "Who wrote The Call of The Wild"; the first result "A year later, in 1903, he published The - Call - of - the - Wild . In that same year, London left [...]"

    Although, stupidly, the fourth result was "Shakespeare wrote over 150 sonnets!"

    Next, I asked "What detective books did Jack London write?" and got nothing useful.

    Too bad it's so Goddamned slow, if it was faster it might may a fun toy.

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    1. Re:Brain Boost - nat lang by mdfst13 · · Score: 1

      I used:

      jack london detective -barleycorn -"by -jack -london"

      on Google and got http://www.idiotsguides.com/static/html/us/newslet ters/signet.html as the 10th result.

      Note: London didn't write detective novels. He appears as a *character* in novels written by Peter King. Still didn't help BrainBoost. When I tried "Who wrote the books in which jack london appears as a detective?" I didn't get any results.

      One of the novels *is* in the link I found on Google. Searching for jack london peter king finds more links.

  120. Ax Jeeves by Sogol · · Score: 1

    I don't be axin jeeves a GOT DAM thang!

  121. The results of my search for Titties by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    turns up:
    Google
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    - Results 1 - 10 of about 724,000 for titties. (0.13 seconds)

    Jeeves
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    - 1-10 results out of 63,700

    "Google is not better than us," said Jim Lanzone
    However, Google will still find more titties on the net than Ask Jeeves.

    Nyah-Nyah ;)

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