You know, I've been thinking for a few years now that ATMs (in the UK at least) seem to be getting slower and slower to use. 10 years back, you'd insert your card, be able to key in your pin number straight away and be straight into the menu. Now, you insert the card, stand about while it thinks about checking it, then you eventually enter a pin and wait around a bit more before using the sluggish interface. Now I know that these machines have media player, web browser and all sorts of other redundant crap installed on a full version of XP, I understand the reason the queues are growing!
I don't need 24 million colours, animations and other crap just to take money out of my account, dammit! It's staggering to think that the software has become so bloated and slow that machines produced 10 years ago, with only a fraction of the computing power of today were actually far more responsive to use.
I remember seeing an ATM reboot a few years back (brief power outage). It briefly showed the OS2 logo before resuming normal operation;-)
If you are putting php in your html you are doing it backwards. Marked up content goes in one database table CSS goes in the other and php puts them together.
That's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read here (above -1 anyway). Why on Earth would you want to keep hammering the database for HTML markup, let alone CSS text?!! You'll find there's this thing known as a "filesystem" that does a better job at returning such content, much more quickly and more efficiently.
If you really are using the method you suggest above, then I can only imagine you don't have a very busy site...
You cannot say that as long as this whole KDE vs. GNOME thing is raging on. For one thing, I usually need both installed if I want to be able to run any application without too many problems (and people complain about Windows bloat, two desktops is my definition of bloat). In addition, the Linux development I do rarely has any graphical front end, because I'm at a loss of what front end to support (and no I don't want to support two).
You've obviously never played with 'renice' very much...
Well actually I have, but... you know best;-) Your PC is not a toaster; it does more than one thing at once. It is absolutely imperative that it does more than one thing at once.
Why? If its purpose (the topic of this discussion) is as a gaming platform, the it only has to do one thing at once; play the game. It doesn't need to be running sshd, apache and mysql; there's no need for it to be updating the slocate database; it's not routing, supplying DNS or DHCP services or anything else here. It's running a game as quickly as possible. As far as I'm aware, the optimal condition for this would be to run nothing else. Remember, the whole point of this discussion is how to draw people to linux, not how to break linux so it's not even linux anymore. That includes keeping kernelspace and userland completely separate, unless you have a DAMN good reason not to.
My good reason here was to optimize the environment for running a game. No matter how you try to paint it, context switches do incur a penalty. You seem to think I'm talking about a general purpose kernel here, when I'm just talking about something designed to run games, and nothing else. Who cares which user you're running as if you're the only person on a system, and it's not on a network (or if it is on a network, the only software running is the game, and since this is (in this scenario) running in an exclusive mode, the opportunity to crack the box is minimised - if you smashed the stack or whatever, the unit would simply grind to a halt).
It would be quite cool to have some game-targeted features in the kernel for instance:
Ability to "lock" the scheduler, so that the game gets 100% CPU until it unlocks (effectively making it a single process OS like DOS while in this mode).
While in the above mode, a user-configurable keypress to pause the whole system, no matter what's going on.
Running the games in kernel space? Maybe this is just madness;-) Would it not help performance if the CPU wasn't switching between contexts?
I'm sure I could think of more - yes I know this might not make the most stable system out there, but for games use, wouldn't that be a good compromise?
I remember playing this game bak in '84. From the trailer it seems that the "Fresh prince of Belaire" will be playing the part of the little guy jumping around in a crudly rendered, polygon filled world, shooting pixels at a massive eye! Fun for all the family!!
Damn. I sank to the level of the Slashdot editors. Submitted a dupe and then boasted about it... oh, the shame of it. On the bright side, my six-month old daughter just learnt to say "blehsughhx" and stick her tongue out. I bet that wasn't posted to Slashdot yet.
Your Google link for adding blocks to outgoing ports appeared to demonstrate exactly what I meant: You have to manually add rules since the web interface cannot do that. I don't consider wiping Linux and installing BSD to be much of a solution. And if I'm manually configuring PF, I may as well manually configure IPTables. Firestarter is a Gnome GUI tool, so not much use for anyone running Windows who needs to access the firewall machine.
So, to sum up: Well done for completely missing the point, your post was completely redundant!
I'd disagree about the firewall config utils that are bundled with Linux distros. True, if you wish to attack the config file manually, you can literally set up any kind of firewalling rule set. However, this is not possible with any GUI/web tools I've looked at.
Even Firewall distros like smoothwall lack features I'd expect in a corporate firewall. EG, (for Smoothwall) the capability to block outgoing ports - blocking outgoing port 25 for anything other than the company mail relay(s) should be one of the first entries in a ruleset in these days of spam-relaying malware.
Well I'm completely against male games disrespecting the chicks. If the little ladies want to try playing with their husband's/boyfriend's computer then what's the harm in it as long as they're supervised?
Come on guys, they have enough problems with being driven by hormones and general scattiness, let them have a little go! It'll save you getting dragged around the shoe shops if nothing else!!!
YellowDog is a port of RedHat, pretty much. The advantage is that they only produce a PPC distro and are very good at it.
Well I wouldn't consider YD a very good distro. I did try their latest release (around 2 months ago) on my old iMac, and it failed to set up X, and even once I had it working by configuring manually, the sound was iffy at best (no CD audio). The 3D acceleration for the built in ATi chipset would lock up solid every once in a while and there seemed no way to access the monitor control functions (iMacs have no external controls for the monitor).
I did get on better with Gentoo, and had just about everything working, but still went out and bought OSX Jaguar 2 weeks ago. It really is nice, and "just works". Not a big surprise since OSX doesn't have to support a wide range of hardware, but really, a PPC distro like YD should at least manage to get basic X and sound working out of the box?! There must be one "best" XF86config for an iMac DV400. Also, I'd imagine the audio setup would be identical for the machines...
I like the fact that there is only one "branch" of java. I can write a program once and compile it anywhere.
You've obviously never written anything for mobile devices then;-) Try J2ME some time, and you'll see an entire forest of branches (at least, you'll have to take them if you wish to develop anything useful/competitive).
Has it occurred to you that maybe the did try youur fix and it led to data corruption, so they decided not to apply it?
Or that they did not try because they knew it would not work?
Hold on there sparky; the guy has said his fix IS working for him, so how would these maintainers "know" it would not work?
The fact he didn't get ANY response would suggest that his patch/bugfix was ignored for some reason. Surely if the maintainers had tried it and it failed, they would have mentioned it out of courtesy. If they really DID try it, and still didn't bother replying it's even more damning...
more out of curiosity than any desire to actually do something useful with it.
How about doing something not-so-useful but funny? Say for instance compiling it for Apple;-))) THAT my friend, would be the greatest hack of.... well, this year anyway...
Hear hear! I responded to the outrageous allegations too. Hopefully some others here might feel inspired to add their voices after reading my own heartfelt anguish: M3 and mi fr3Nds r g0nna k1ll y00 if y00 donT kik sTeph3n eVan5 in ve nuTs! LiNux rOOLz!! If y00 donT p057 mi l3tteR, I'll DD055 yor 5iT3!!! y00 suxxx!!!
There; succinct and to the point, I'm sure you'll all agree.
(actually, kidding aside, I did respond to that article, and suggest others do the same).
actually for quite a while My girl and i kept in touch almost exclusively through Everquest ...until you eventually met up and "she" turned out to be a hairy truck-driver named Dave...
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You know, I've been thinking for a few years now that ATMs (in the UK at least)
;-)
seem to be getting slower and slower to use. 10 years back, you'd insert your
card, be able to key in your pin number straight away and be straight into the
menu. Now, you insert the card, stand about while it thinks about checking it,
then you eventually enter a pin and wait around a bit more before using the
sluggish interface. Now I know that these machines have media player, web browser and
all sorts of other redundant crap installed on a full version of XP, I understand the
reason the queues are growing!
I don't need 24 million colours, animations and other crap just to take money out
of my account, dammit! It's staggering to think that the software has become so
bloated and slow that machines produced 10 years ago, with only a fraction of the
computing power of today were actually far more responsive to use.
I remember seeing an ATM reboot a few years back (brief power outage). It briefly
showed the OS2 logo before resuming normal operation
As can be seen here, a search for litigious bastards brings Microsoft's pet puppets up at the top of the result list ;-)
Obviously you wouldn't know dynamic if it bit you in the ass.
Now if I wanted to be mean I could name a few books I've contributed to on this very subject, but hey...
If you are putting php in your html you are doing it backwards. Marked up content goes in one database table CSS goes in the other and php puts them together.
That's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read here (above -1 anyway). Why on Earth would you want to keep hammering the database for HTML markup, let alone CSS text?!! You'll find there's this thing known as a "filesystem" that does a better job at returning such content, much more quickly and more efficiently.
If you really are using the method you suggest above, then I can only imagine you don't have a very busy site...
You cannot say that as long as this whole KDE vs. GNOME thing is raging on. For one thing, I usually need both installed if I want to be able to run any application without too many problems (and people complain about Windows bloat, two desktops is my definition of bloat). In addition, the Linux development I do rarely has any graphical front end, because I'm at a loss of what front end to support (and no I don't want to support two).
;-)
Ever heard of Java?
You've obviously never played with 'renice' very much...
;-)
Well actually I have, but... you know best
Your PC is not a toaster; it does more than one thing at once. It is absolutely imperative that it does more than one thing at once.
Why? If its purpose (the topic of this discussion) is as a gaming platform, the it only has to do one thing at once; play the game. It doesn't need to be running sshd, apache and mysql; there's no need for it to be updating the slocate database; it's not routing, supplying DNS or DHCP services or anything else here. It's running a game as quickly as possible. As far as I'm aware, the optimal condition for this would be to run nothing else.
Remember, the whole point of this discussion is how to draw people to linux, not how to break linux so it's not even linux anymore. That includes keeping kernelspace and userland completely separate, unless you have a DAMN good reason not to.
My good reason here was to optimize the environment for running a game. No matter how you try to paint it, context switches do incur a penalty. You seem to think I'm talking about a general purpose kernel here, when I'm just talking about something designed to run games, and nothing else. Who cares which user you're running as if you're the only person on a system, and it's not on a network (or if it is on a network, the only software running is the game, and since this is (in this scenario) running in an exclusive mode, the opportunity to crack the box is minimised - if you smashed the stack or whatever, the unit would simply grind to a halt).
It would be quite cool to have some game-targeted features in the kernel for instance:
;-) Would it not help performance
Ability to "lock" the scheduler, so that the game gets 100% CPU until it unlocks (effectively
making it a single process OS like DOS while in this mode).
While in the above mode, a user-configurable keypress to pause the whole system, no matter
what's going on.
Running the games in kernel space? Maybe this is just madness
if the CPU wasn't switching between contexts?
I'm sure I could think of more - yes I know this might not make the most stable system out
there, but for games use, wouldn't that be a good compromise?
How can I make it successful? And most importantly how do you handle authority (tardiness, work ethic, and workplace codes) with a girlfriend?"
If she really loves you, she'll put up with the tardiness and lack of a work ethic...
I remember playing this game bak in '84. From the trailer it seems that the "Fresh prince of Belaire" will be playing the part of the little guy jumping around in a crudly rendered, polygon filled world, shooting pixels at a massive eye! Fun for all the family!!
As a young man, McBride participated in rodeo events and helped perform chores with his cowboy father...
My how he's grown! Now instead of clearing up bullshit, he's spreading it around...
According to the Deseret News, Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him.
;-)
Hardly. The only thing Darl needs protection from is his own big mouth. Let's hope he never realises that while he's carrying his gun
BTW, does anyone else think the SCO logo there looks like a big red beachball with Mickey Mouse's head on the side???
Damn. I sank to the level of the Slashdot editors. Submitted a dupe and then boasted about it... oh, the shame of it.
On the bright side, my six-month old daughter just learnt to say "blehsughhx" and stick her tongue out. I bet that wasn't posted to Slashdot yet.
Your daughter posted it, last Wednesday...
Well hello, Dr Doolittle!
All I can say is, you've been damned lucky with your users... I'd welcome trained monkeys over some of them...
...that Microsoft's search engine is just crap? I mean, just look at their track record ;-)
Your Google link for adding blocks to outgoing ports appeared to demonstrate exactly what I meant: You have to manually add rules since the web interface cannot do that. I don't consider wiping Linux and installing BSD to be much of a solution. And if I'm manually configuring PF, I may as well manually configure IPTables. Firestarter is a Gnome GUI tool, so not much use for anyone running Windows who needs to access the firewall machine.
So, to sum up: Well done for completely missing the point, your post was completely redundant!
I'd disagree about the firewall config utils that are bundled with Linux distros. True, if you wish to attack the config file manually, you can literally set up any kind of firewalling rule set. However, this is not possible with any GUI/web tools I've looked at.
Even Firewall distros like smoothwall lack features I'd expect in a corporate firewall. EG, (for Smoothwall) the capability to block outgoing ports - blocking outgoing port 25 for anything other than the company mail relay(s) should be one of the first entries in a ruleset in these days of spam-relaying malware.
Well I'm completely against male games disrespecting the chicks. If the little ladies want to try playing with their husband's/boyfriend's computer then what's the harm in it as long as they're supervised?
Come on guys, they have enough problems with being driven by hormones and general scattiness, let them have a little go! It'll save you getting dragged around the shoe shops if nothing else!!!
YellowDog is a port of RedHat, pretty much. The advantage is that they only produce a PPC distro and are very good at it.
Well I wouldn't consider YD a very good distro. I did try their latest release (around 2 months ago) on my old iMac, and it failed to set up X, and even once I had it working by configuring manually, the sound was iffy at best (no CD audio). The 3D acceleration for the built in ATi chipset would lock up solid every once in a while and there seemed no way to access the monitor control functions (iMacs have no external controls for the monitor).
I did get on better with Gentoo, and had just about everything working, but still went out and bought OSX Jaguar 2 weeks ago. It really is nice, and "just works". Not a big surprise since OSX doesn't have to support a wide range of hardware, but really, a PPC distro like YD should at least manage to get basic X and sound working out of the box?! There must be one "best" XF86config for an iMac DV400. Also, I'd imagine the audio setup would be identical for the machines...
I like the fact that there is only one "branch" of java. I can write a program once and compile it anywhere.
;-) Try J2ME some time, and you'll see an entire forest of branches (at least, you'll have to take them if you wish to develop anything useful/competitive).
You've obviously never written anything for mobile devices then
Has it occurred to you that maybe the did try youur fix and it led to data corruption, so they decided not to apply it?
Or that they did not try because they knew it would not work?
Hold on there sparky; the guy has said his fix IS working for him, so how would these maintainers "know" it would not work?
The fact he didn't get ANY response would suggest that his patch/bugfix was ignored for some reason. Surely if the maintainers had tried it and it failed, they would have mentioned it out of courtesy. If they really DID try it, and still didn't bother replying it's even more damning...
I've been waiting _years_ for a new game to come out for that!
Well wait no longer my man! Just type this in for hours of fun!
10 print "You are in a maze of twisting passages, all alike!"
20 print "N,S,E or W?"
30 input a
40 goto 10
more out of curiosity than any desire to actually do something useful with it.
How about doing something not-so-useful but funny? Say for instance compiling it for Apple
Hear hear! I responded to the outrageous allegations too. Hopefully some others here might feel inspired to add their voices after reading my own heartfelt anguish:
M3 and mi fr3Nds r g0nna k1ll y00 if y00 donT kik sTeph3n eVan5 in ve nuTs! LiNux rOOLz!! If y00 donT p057 mi l3tteR, I'll DD055 yor 5iT3!!! y00 suxxx!!!
There; succinct and to the point, I'm sure you'll all agree.
(actually, kidding aside, I did respond to that article, and suggest others do the same).
Is open source software never used for anything bad?
You're right, possibly the worst case being here. For some reason the site seems down right now though...
actually for quite a while My girl and i kept in touch almost exclusively through Everquest
...until you eventually met up and "she" turned out to be a hairy truck-driver named Dave...