i have to be tolerant because i am one of those dual booting heretics. but i have my share of strong anti-microsoft sentiments. i just don't direct it at users. and a lot of the things that i want to do still work better in windows than on another OS. and i use windows at work. if i told people at work that they were idiots every time they asked for computer help, it wouldn't do a whole lot for my career.
it's not about sounding like a hippie. (whether it's an accurate description or not) it's just about focusing on stuff that matters instead of putting down things outside your pet projects/aps. it's about making an attempt to sound informed rather than elitist. but if you want to pull people to your side, you'll need to learn to get along with them.
i was talking about things broader than just kde debates. if you want to support oss/fs, support what you like instead of creating fud about 'rival' projects. educate people instead of telling them how stupid they are for not knowing the 'truth.' it's not that hard. and it
sites like linux and main should not fall into the trap all the mainstream media has of sensationalizing everything. news about linux should be informative and well-researched, not the extension of someone's agenda. but that is not the case. people in oss/fs have very strong opinions, and bending the truth is ok as you have any kind of excuse to promote what you like and trash what you do not like. that's why people get tired of the community. or the crackpot image you mention.
if we would be well informed, quit pointing fingers, and just stick together, open sourcerors would have a better reputation outside the community. let's promote what we love, but maintain some tolerance. if people think you hate them and their ideas, chances are pretty slim they'll ever listen to you. if you present your self as knowledgeable yet understanding, they just might think you have something to say that is worth listening to.
in suse 8.0, there is a part during set-up where you give your prefered balance of eye-candy and speed. or at least it should have. i forget where but somewhere you can adjust this setting
not to flame, but if your time is worth more than a boxed set of cds, is your time also worth newer (faster) hardware? you should be able to find something faster than a k6-300 on the used market for a reasonable price. kde certainly isn't going to get smaller. the people, they keep requesting more features.
Intel and AMD fans really do believe that the performance rating of the CPU is its clock rate
actually, the fans know the difference and buy things based on the benchmarks important to them. it is the masses who believe that clock rate = performance. any fan of amd knows that an amd chip that performs the same as an intel chip also runs at a lower clock speed. the same as a mac fan knows that a mac that performs the same as an amd chip will run at a lower clock speed. it is slightly more involved, because different architectures are better at different things, so it isn't an even ratio accross a range of applications.
What's the Athlon's performance with 8 watts of power? Will it even run with 8 watts? How can you have a laptop otherwise?
amd has 1900+ and 2000+ mobile athlon chips. these are for use in laptops, so they must meet power requirements.
How many clock cycles go by on average before it executes an instruction? 20? 30?
from reading your question it would be easy to assume that nothing is happening except every 20 or 30 cycles. it only matters when you turn your computer on. if it takes 20 cycles for a given instruction to complete, when the first one finishes, there are already nineteen behind (or maybe only 15) it in the pipeline, so the next instruction is #21 (or 16 or whatever. but different parts of the proc are active at the same time). it's a bit simplified, i'm just illustrating a point.
they might be giants use the internet a lot. they may not be in exactly the same situation, but they did manage to maintain a fan base and release new music even when they were between having a label to support them.
they did what i thought was a pretty cool thing they did when they sold mp3's on emusic.com. if you bought the entire album's worth of mp3's, they sent you a cd of those songs, too. they also have some mp3's available for free, which i believe helps them sell the others.
you obviously aren't involved in downloading music and never really were.
sure the kids download stuff instead of buying it, but they wouldn't buy as many anyway. sure when people were introduced to napster, they downloaded tons of music. i'll bet most of it is a listened once or twice and never touched again. i wouldn't buy a cd i would only listen to once or twice.
but i have downloaded music. if i like a song or a band, i buy the cd. if i don't like it, i erase it. it's more of a try before you buy thing than not paying at all.
i hope all of the corporate propaganda tasted good when you swallowed it all.
on an aside, it would be interesting to see how the sales of blank cassette tapes have changed since the sales of blank cd media has increased. i'd like to see them compared on a minutes of storage basis, as well as dollars.
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mr. ac troll,
i believe you are confused. "rip" is the term for copying data (esp. music) from a cd. it is different than "rip off" as is steal or dismember. i can "legally rip" a sheet of paper in half, but it is equally as unrelated.
as to your puppy analogy, that would be the same as buying a cd and breaking it into pieces to take with me to my car, not the same as copying it to listen to it in my car. your analogy does not make sense. chewbacca is a wookie...
i don't buy rights to the music, but i buy the right to listen to that media. at some point it must be converted from the unlistenable format of 010101100111000101010010110010010100101 etc. to analog voltages which are converted to sound waves by my speakers. what difference does it make if i change it to another 1101010110101010 format before i listen to it? hint: the answer is that it makes no difference.
slashdot wouldn't be fun if you never took the time to feed the trolls, at least when they are close to on-topic.
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in the article it shows how they benchmarked consumer cards like geforce4 and radeon 8500. they also benchmarked some "entry level" high end cards like the quadro4 750 gxl, parhelia, and radeon 9700. i am not sure about the radeons, but i do know that the quadro4 is a different chip than the gf4, not just a card with extra features turned on.
that is a great point, and probably one of the big reasons MS/Intel will fight such laws.
but now that i'm thinking about it, MS would go right on lobbying even if such a law were passed. they don't need to be selling the government software in order to try to prevent an unfavorable anti-trust ruling. they can contribute money and lobby for anything they want. i'm sure they would lobby to have said laws repealed.
having to use open source would prevent them from being able to make any predictions of the doom the government would suffer if MS picked up their ball and went home instead of continuing to produce windows.
actually the law wouldn't have to restrict choice, it would just say that you can you any format, as long as that format is documented. this should increase freedom of choice because you wouldn't have to use a proprietary vendor's software to open the files created by the closed application. you could *choose* what software you wanted to use. you could make the argument that this is not capitalism, but it is freedom of choice. however what you describe is not freedom of choice because you added "and everbody had to use that." to the original poster's statement.
though i agree laws won't solve everything, letting capitalism run free without laws at all is not the way to produce a just society. personal and corporate ethics are nice, but not everyone uses them. that's why we need laws.
just because the chip is palladium ready, doesn't mean that the OS will have to use those features.
i think we should be mad at AMD because they want to make money. let's also forget the effort to make x86-64 accessable to open-source.
AMD realizes that the vast majority of the processors they sell end up running windows. it really wouldn't make sense for them to make something that would not support future versions of windows. it can still use non-TCPA OS (palladium is just the microsoft version of TCPA). but damn them for wanting to stay in business.
so you run intel now? that's hardly taking a stand.
it might also be that people like the features of the upcoming opterons. they can always just load whatever OS they want.
i realize this is just troll food, but let's try to have fewer meaningless boycotts
there's got to be another goal that will step up after quake (whatever number) looks as good as a live action movie. i think it will probably be a new interface. possibly vr type things.
i see pixar's point that by the time pc graphics catch up to now, cinematic cg will be further down the road. but the gap is getting smaller. i would be really impressed if a desktop could make use of something like MASSIVE in real time during a game. good looks will look better when there is more intelligent behaviour of bots in games. someday it will be possible, but by that time movies will be even prettier.
or maybe i'll finally be able to game at full speed without worrying about ruining the cds i'm burning.
not a flame, but until the technical issues are resolved, it will only work in a capitalist society.
the problems aren't solved yet. and there isn't a big enough demand for something that *might* work to get everyone to pay more taxes to support such a program. people have too many things bothering them in the more immediate life before death/deep freeze. when they show that it can work, then everyone will be in favour of the state paying cryo bills for the masses.
or people would get frozen, but maybe not for a few weeks/months after their demise due to lack of resources. by then it would be too late. but that's ok, because rich people could still pay to go to some privateer who would do it on time while the rest of us remain only partially decomposed.
if linux is like a free-love hippie chick...microsoft windows is a high priced dominatrix that makes you pay to get locked in a wooden box and then when you try to pay more to be let out, you are just told that true pleasure is being locked in a wooden box.
strangely a lot of people seem to believe her when she tells you this.
does this mean that we can get all of the source for the spyware and adware? that could make for some fun. or at least it would take less time to disable it.
someone posted a reply faster than me, but i already wrote all this so here it is.
the question isn't about being able to use linux. it is about being able to connect to things through linux. if your OS does not use the TCPA device it can still use the rest of the computer. but if in order to get access to media files you need something from that device, you cannot use those media files. this is not limited to media / content, but could conceivably be used to authenticate anything. software patches, websites, webstores, email, etc could all potentially be infected with palladium.
where linux loses is that it is built from source. only binaries will be signed, and signing will likely cost money. it isn't really that difficult to understand.
since not so many people use Linux in proportion to Windows users, the minority is screwed if the majority is tricked into accepting this "great" technology. islands of linux users will probably survive, but they will be segragated from the other 91% of PC owners running Windows.
so yes, you can still use Linux if Palladium gets broad implementation. but you won't be able to use it for all of the same things you can now.
there doesn't need to be a great use for Palladium itself in order for it to be widely implemented. all there needs to be is some "great new" form of content that is only available in a Palladium limited, er i mean enhanced, format.
valkyries aren't neccessarily loud and fat. They were beautiful women. They became known as loud and fat as a result of the hefty opera singers who played the part of the valkyries in wagner's operas.
but that being said, i'd still say that bill gates does not resemble a beautiful woman by any stretch of the imagination. Ballmer doesn't either, but maybe you remember that he did demonstrate his musical talent by dancing. possibly not what wagner had in mind.
the thing about "cultural imperialism" is that it is fought by the "victims." if people don't give up money to the invading culture, it cannot spread. the problem is that people don't always realize that they are buying the entire package and not just the entertainment or the convenience they want.
and on a lighter note...
i'm an american, but i do my part to preserve things norwegian. i buy jarlsberg cheese and apoptygma berzerk cds. actually i just buy those things because i like them.
not all christians reject things like evolution. science has not disproven the existence of a deity.
albert einstein had a positve attitude toward relition and even used to visit christian science churches. i think he qualifies as a scientist, possibly one with deeper insight into science and its nature than all slashdot readers.
Einstein was quoted as saying "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
crap, there went all of my karma. i just admitted to my fellow geeks that i believe in God.
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i have to be tolerant because i am one of those dual booting heretics. but i have my share of strong anti-microsoft sentiments. i just don't direct it at users. and a lot of the things that i want to do still work better in windows than on another OS. and i use windows at work. if i told people at work that they were idiots every time they asked for computer help, it wouldn't do a whole lot for my career.
it's not about sounding like a hippie. (whether it's an accurate description or not) it's just about focusing on stuff that matters instead of putting down things outside your pet projects/aps. it's about making an attempt to sound informed rather than elitist. but if you want to pull people to your side, you'll need to learn to get along with them.
i was talking about things broader than just kde debates. if you want to support oss/fs, support what you like instead of creating fud about 'rival' projects. educate people instead of telling them how stupid they are for not knowing the 'truth.' it's not that hard. and it
me too!!!!
sites like linux and main should not fall into the trap all the mainstream media has of sensationalizing everything. news about linux should be informative and well-researched, not the extension of someone's agenda. but that is not the case. people in oss/fs have very strong opinions, and bending the truth is ok as you have any kind of excuse to promote what you like and trash what you do not like. that's why people get tired of the community. or the crackpot image you mention.
if we would be well informed, quit pointing fingers, and just stick together, open sourcerors would have a better reputation outside the community. let's promote what we love, but maintain some tolerance. if people think you hate them and their ideas, chances are pretty slim they'll ever listen to you. if you present your self as knowledgeable yet understanding, they just might think you have something to say that is worth listening to.
in suse 8.0, there is a part during set-up where you give your prefered balance of eye-candy and speed. or at least it should have. i forget where but somewhere you can adjust this setting
not to flame, but if your time is worth more than a boxed set of cds, is your time also worth newer (faster) hardware? you should be able to find something faster than a k6-300 on the used market for a reasonable price. kde certainly isn't going to get smaller. the people, they keep requesting more features.
i loved the short film "squeal of death" he did where he plays howie, howie's dad, howie's mom, and howie's sister.
"nobody crosses me. i'll split you open like a pillow case. i am the kaiser. i am the wrath of God."
now if only a few other companies with a little weight would join apple on this stance.
Intel and AMD fans really do believe that the performance rating of the CPU is its clock rate
actually, the fans know the difference and buy things based on the benchmarks important to them. it is the masses who believe that clock rate = performance. any fan of amd knows that an amd chip that performs the same as an intel chip also runs at a lower clock speed. the same as a mac fan knows that a mac that performs the same as an amd chip will run at a lower clock speed. it is slightly more involved, because different architectures are better at different things, so it isn't an even ratio accross a range of applications.
What's the Athlon's performance with 8 watts of power? Will it even run with 8 watts? How can you have a laptop otherwise?
amd has 1900+ and 2000+ mobile athlon chips. these are for use in laptops, so they must meet power requirements.
How many clock cycles go by on average before it executes an instruction? 20? 30?
from reading your question it would be easy to assume that nothing is happening except every 20 or 30 cycles. it only matters when you turn your computer on. if it takes 20 cycles for a given instruction to complete, when the first one finishes, there are already nineteen behind (or maybe only 15) it in the pipeline, so the next instruction is #21 (or 16 or whatever. but different parts of the proc are active at the same time). it's a bit simplified, i'm just illustrating a point.
they might be giants use the internet a lot. they may not be in exactly the same situation, but they did manage to maintain a fan base and release new music even when they were between having a label to support them.
they did what i thought was a pretty cool thing they did when they sold mp3's on emusic.com. if you bought the entire album's worth of mp3's, they sent you a cd of those songs, too. they also have some mp3's available for free, which i believe helps them sell the others.
check out their techniques on their websites tmbg.com and theymightbegiants.com.
of course, it also doesn't hurt that they are almost always on tour.
you obviously aren't involved in downloading music and never really were.
sure the kids download stuff instead of buying it, but they wouldn't buy as many anyway. sure when people were introduced to napster, they downloaded tons of music. i'll bet most of it is a listened once or twice and never touched again. i wouldn't buy a cd i would only listen to once or twice.
but i have downloaded music. if i like a song or a band, i buy the cd. if i don't like it, i erase it. it's more of a try before you buy thing than not paying at all.
i hope all of the corporate propaganda tasted good when you swallowed it all.
on an aside, it would be interesting to see how the sales of blank cassette tapes have changed since the sales of blank cd media has increased. i'd like to see them compared on a minutes of storage basis, as well as dollars.
mr. ac troll,
i believe you are confused. "rip" is the term for copying data (esp. music) from a cd. it is different than "rip off" as is steal or dismember. i can "legally rip" a sheet of paper in half, but it is equally as unrelated.
as to your puppy analogy, that would be the same as buying a cd and breaking it into pieces to take with me to my car, not the same as copying it to listen to it in my car. your analogy does not make sense. chewbacca is a wookie...
i don't buy rights to the music, but i buy the right to listen to that media. at some point it must be converted from the unlistenable format of 010101100111000101010010110010010100101 etc. to analog voltages which are converted to sound waves by my speakers. what difference does it make if i change it to another 1101010110101010 format before i listen to it? hint: the answer is that it makes no difference.
slashdot wouldn't be fun if you never took the time to feed the trolls, at least when they are close to on-topic.
haiku need not rhyme
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five, seven, and five
in the article it shows how they benchmarked consumer cards like geforce4 and radeon 8500. they also benchmarked some "entry level" high end cards like the quadro4 750 gxl, parhelia, and radeon 9700. i am not sure about the radeons, but i do know that the quadro4 is a different chip than the gf4, not just a card with extra features turned on.
all of the cards had the same problem.
And be it only to prohibit lobbying.
that is a great point, and probably one of the big reasons MS/Intel will fight such laws.
but now that i'm thinking about it, MS would go right on lobbying even if such a law were passed. they don't need to be selling the government software in order to try to prevent an unfavorable anti-trust ruling. they can contribute money and lobby for anything they want. i'm sure they would lobby to have said laws repealed.
having to use open source would prevent them from being able to make any predictions of the doom the government would suffer if MS picked up their ball and went home instead of continuing to produce windows.
actually the law wouldn't have to restrict choice, it would just say that you can you any format, as long as that format is documented. this should increase freedom of choice because you wouldn't have to use a proprietary vendor's software to open the files created by the closed application. you could *choose* what software you wanted to use. you could make the argument that this is not capitalism, but it is freedom of choice. however what you describe is not freedom of choice because you added "and everbody had to use that." to the original poster's statement.
though i agree laws won't solve everything, letting capitalism run free without laws at all is not the way to produce a just society. personal and corporate ethics are nice, but not everyone uses them. that's why we need laws.
crap! i forgot. stop feeding the trolls.
just because the chip is palladium ready, doesn't mean that the OS will have to use those features.
i think we should be mad at AMD because they want to make money. let's also forget the effort to make x86-64 accessable to open-source.
AMD realizes that the vast majority of the processors they sell end up running windows. it really wouldn't make sense for them to make something that would not support future versions of windows. it can still use non-TCPA OS (palladium is just the microsoft version of TCPA). but damn them for wanting to stay in business.
so you run intel now? that's hardly taking a stand.
it might also be that people like the features of the upcoming opterons. they can always just load whatever OS they want.
i realize this is just troll food, but let's try to have fewer meaningless boycotts
while the son is grinding on the homemade ramp
actually it looks like a blunt, not a grind.
there's got to be another goal that will step up after quake (whatever number) looks as good as a live action movie. i think it will probably be a new interface. possibly vr type things.
i see pixar's point that by the time pc graphics catch up to now, cinematic cg will be further down the road. but the gap is getting smaller. i would be really impressed if a desktop could make use of something like MASSIVE in real time during a game. good looks will look better when there is more intelligent behaviour of bots in games. someday it will be possible, but by that time movies will be even prettier.
or maybe i'll finally be able to game at full speed without worrying about ruining the cds i'm burning.
not a flame, but until the technical issues are resolved, it will only work in a capitalist society.
the problems aren't solved yet. and there isn't a big enough demand for something that *might* work to get everyone to pay more taxes to support such a program. people have too many things bothering them in the more immediate life before death/deep freeze. when they show that it can work, then everyone will be in favour of the state paying cryo bills for the masses.
or people would get frozen, but maybe not for a few weeks/months after their demise due to lack of resources. by then it would be too late. but that's ok, because rich people could still pay to go to some privateer who would do it on time while the rest of us remain only partially decomposed.
if linux is like a free-love hippie chick...microsoft windows is a high priced dominatrix that makes you pay to get locked in a wooden box and then when you try to pay more to be let out, you are just told that true pleasure is being locked in a wooden box.
strangely a lot of people seem to believe her when she tells you this.
does this mean that we can get all of the source for the spyware and adware? that could make for some fun. or at least it would take less time to disable it.
someone posted a reply faster than me, but i already wrote all this so here it is.
the question isn't about being able to use linux. it is about being able to connect to things through linux. if your OS does not use the TCPA device it can still use the rest of the computer. but if in order to get access to media files you need something from that device, you cannot use those media files. this is not limited to media / content, but could conceivably be used to authenticate anything. software patches, websites, webstores, email, etc could all potentially be infected with palladium.
where linux loses is that it is built from source. only binaries will be signed, and signing will likely cost money. it isn't really that difficult to understand.
since not so many people use Linux in proportion to Windows users, the minority is screwed if the majority is tricked into accepting this "great" technology. islands of linux users will probably survive, but they will be segragated from the other 91% of PC owners running Windows.
so yes, you can still use Linux if Palladium gets broad implementation. but you won't be able to use it for all of the same things you can now.
there doesn't need to be a great use for Palladium itself in order for it to be widely implemented. all there needs to be is some "great new" form of content that is only available in a Palladium limited, er i mean enhanced, format.
(what is it called this week? DALEK?)
Exterminate! Exterminate!
Sorry, couldn't pass up the Dr. Who reference from your post.
valkyries aren't neccessarily loud and fat. They were beautiful women. They became known as loud and fat as a result of the hefty opera singers who played the part of the valkyries in wagner's operas.
but that being said, i'd still say that bill gates does not resemble a beautiful woman by any stretch of the imagination. Ballmer doesn't either, but maybe you remember that he did demonstrate his musical talent by dancing. possibly not what wagner had in mind.
the thing about "cultural imperialism" is that it is fought by the "victims." if people don't give up money to the invading culture, it cannot spread. the problem is that people don't always realize that they are buying the entire package and not just the entertainment or the convenience they want.
and on a lighter note...
i'm an american, but i do my part to preserve things norwegian. i buy jarlsberg cheese and apoptygma berzerk cds. actually i just buy those things because i like them.
Christianity and Science are mutually exclusive.
not all christians reject things like evolution. science has not disproven the existence of a deity.
albert einstein had a positve attitude toward relition and even used to visit christian science churches. i think he qualifies as a scientist, possibly one with deeper insight into science and its nature than all slashdot readers.
Einstein was quoted as saying "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
crap, there went all of my karma. i just admitted to my fellow geeks that i believe in God.