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Review of SuSE 8.1 Professional
Gentu writes "SuSE 8.1 is out and it seems to be the main competitor of Red Hat 8. OSNews has the review of its Professional version. The new SuSE 8.1 seems to be sleekier and more powerful than ever." Eugenia, as usual, isn't shy about saying what she doesn't like. There's a review on Linuxlookup.com as well.
It's odd that RH, SuSe and Mandrake compete with each other more than their common enemy.
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I've used several versions of both including RH 8 and my opinnion is that while RedHat makes a great server build SuSE has always had the edge in developing the workstation distro.
Find some one you know who has the CDs for Suse linux and install it from them. Its allowed with linux.
When I used SuSE, I thought that it was a great workstation, but I still prefer Redhat for a server OS. Too bad all of the different distributions (Redhat, Suse, Debian, etc) can't work together and make one useful and simple OS.
I don't understand why SuSE is only now coming out with Linux 8.1, and Red Hat only just came out with Linux 8.0. Meanwhile, Slackware came out with Linux 8.0 an entire year ago. Why do all the commercial companies find it so hard to keep up? I guess in some sense the open model really is better.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Sleekier?
What in the fuck does "sleekier" mean? :)
Obilgatory "I'm gonna get modded down," comment so I get modded up.
To be honest, many of the recent "improved" install tools require the user to think exactly like the programmers did in order to use the installer properly. Otherwise, most of them require a bit of unnecessary trial and effort to get your install right.
Knowing that the new install tool is tricky, I'll still stick with SuSE. It's stable and intuitive without the use my way and like it that redhat tends towards or the I work great if I decide to work of mandrake.
If linux ever intends to become a mainstream (read: NON GEEK) OS, it needs to become dependable, easy to use and easy to install. For example, why did it take me almost 3 days to hack my way to using my qwest dsl connection without having to boot into windows? DSL is a standard technology now, you should be able to use it easily.
Does anyone know where one can find rpms
:-)
for SuSE 8.1? I know that lots of people
with SuSE 8.0 and older would like to upgrade.
The rpms are GPL'ed so where can they be downloaded?
+5 karma to the one who gives a FTP or similar
That screenshot looked really nice -> much nicer than the RH8 screenshots I saw last week, I'm thinking about trying it (I haven't used linux since RH5). but the prices are confusing me. is it still possible to download a bootable disk image for free that I can burn and install from? any urls?
If you mod me down the terrorists will have won
Of course, the LSB will fix all of this, including the bad relationships between the companys. Redh^H^H^H^H The LSB project says this is possible by the "Agree or shutup" (tm) method.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
SuSE has an ftp installation... so if you don't want to buy the CD, you have to download their installation manager and boot to that. then you can select the packages you want, etc. via ftp.
So I just got done installing Suse 8.0 and while doing the online update, I decided to see what's new on slashdot. Guess what the first article I see is.
Not as long as they have that stupid lizard!
Image is everything
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In this version of SuSE, they kept Horton and he still hears a Who. The fish count was also corrected, there is now a red one and a blue one.
I used SuSE 8.0 for a while. It's certainly not a distro for the clock speed/memory challenged computers. I have tried Redhat 7.3 too. Every one of these commercial distros bothered me in some way. They were doing some neat stuff, but mostly the problem lay in the fact that "not everything works". But, may be in 5 years, things would improve a lot and I would buy a 20 Ghz machine with enough memory.
it should fit on a single floppy.
.*or* you can have the one with all the doodads. What's more, to get all the doodads you want you might even have to have *two* of big mothers, each for a special range of abilities.
Look, you can have the slim and sexy Swiss Army knife. .
That's just the way it is. I canna change the laws of physics Cap'n.
KFG
SuSE just doesn't have enough CDs. I want SuSE to install every utility for every OS I can, at least in theory, emulate. I also want all optional features enabled and support for every language and file format just in case. I'm talking something like a 20GB minimum install, and SuSE just isn't there yet. Maybe next release, though.
I have already loaded it onto my laptop.
For some reason the advanced power management doesn't work, (it did with 8.0). Also, although the wireless stuff recognizes my wireless card, there are links missing for it to make in internet connection. Too bad. Also its hard to put Latex on the computer anymore, you have to hunt it down, and emacs did not install automatically.
I don't know...
Sigh.
"However, if SuSE fix some of the issues they have, get rid or redesign that package manager, license the Web Fonts, add some more GUI settings panels for wireless support, FTP & HTTP servers, better integration with Windows, fix some of their untested or buggy applications they include in their CDs, modify Star Office and GTK+ application to look more as their primary Qt platform and other such details, I believe that Red Hat's 'empire' in the Linux world will be in jeopardy."
Does that mean she likes it, or not?
Hmmm, let's see... It's my job, so it's a profession, so that makes it a professional occupation... That was easy
Feh, stopped mooching off of those when I started to work in ... You'll love this ... linux support and software... I don't dwell in a basement, I have my own corner on the stairwell thank you very much.
Why, isn't this nice... We all get to choose from what we like best.
Aaaah, well, in the meantime I'll be playing Unreal Tournament 2003, while you'll be humping your beloved *BSD boxen, or be irritated about your latest blue screen, or whatever pet peeve people may have against some or other operating system.
Get a life,
sincerely yours,
just another nerd
If Slashdot stopped posting every form of content that somebody whined about... there wouldn't be any content. I'd rather listen to an article that may be biased than sombody bitching about an article that may be biased. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
If not for slashdot, I would never have heard of many things I now find useful today, despite the bitching of some people about the posts.
SuSE has always been pretty sleeky, but I can't wait to see the increased sleekiness!
Use Ctrl-C instead of ESC in Vim!
All the software to choose from, and you know it will all work with the version you are downloading.
This is different than Ximian, which I paid for the CD, and the products on the CD weren't the right verions, so I had to download half my packages. I could see this, if I updated on core package, and then had to update all my other packages, but this was a clean install from CD, and the dependecy packages weren't new enough for the main pacakages on the CD.
SuSE has never done me wrong. I have bare bones servers, I have really robust development machines, and a few in between for good measure. Great desktop, easy server setup. What more do you want. You don't have to install everything.
Why? Because they don't just automatically say how great a new version is and gloss over the bugs and problems? I know you like the reviews that say that this is the best Linux ever and it is sure to crush Microsoft next week.
No DVD problems to report like the reviewer encountered. However, the software configuration in the install is still quite poor (no change from 8.0 from what I can see). It did a fair job on hardware but I still had to hit Sax2 to properly configure my monitor.
That said, once installed, it has a nicely polished KDE desktop. I like the icon choice but default "curved" windows I just don't like, back to KDE 2 window decoration it goes. I do like the changes the made to the Yast character mode interface, much easier to navigate. I'm also a little disappointed that it shipped with 2.4.19 instead of 2.4.20.
Overall, not bad but non-techs would require a small amount of hand holding trying to install this release from scratch. The DVD has a very complete collection of software on it that is relatively up to date. It a nice tool to have handy when you're on the road.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
I bought SuSe 8.0 and found the version of KDE it installs is annoyingly slow on a K6-300.
I gather it was a new major release of KDE, if I get 8.1 is it likly to be faster?
And , no, I'm not willing to put up with the horrible UI's of all the other window managers.
Nor am I going to manually install a new version of KDE, my time is worth more than a boxed set of CD's
I'd go back to SuSe 6.4 but it dosn't have automatic update so I'd have to spend three days reading security bullitens and manually patching to get in into a safe state to connect to the internet, a default install gets hacked by a script kid within a day.
Oh and a hint that might save a few people some time. I loaned SuSe 8.0 to a couple of people who wanted to try out linux on old machines, they found that SuSe arn't joking about the 64MB RAM minimum spec, the installer just falls over.
It makes it that much easier to pour down a certain someone's pants!
how? Cd boots but doesn't recognize drive (which is odd considering it worked booting the os). But red hat is fine. Why? Since they cater to European hardware manufactures, and when? Well last I have tried was 8.0. Please help if you know the answer. (sorry for my English) I am from the vector nebula.
... is that little funky green lizzard thing they have as a "mascot".
YaST2 and SaX2 can be better, but even as they are today blow most of Red Hat's preference panels away. On the other hand Red Hat's XFT font properties are no match to any other Linux distribution so far, while Red Hat has good integration for Qt and GTK+ toolkits, something that SuSE doesn't.
This is very important! People keep bitching about Anti-Aliased Font support, well why is RedHat the only including an advanced utility? Fonts are 99% of your visual aspect of your desktop, good looking fonts make a BIG difference. (side note, Mosfet Liquid engine/theme is a must..)
I'm a SuSE (sparc64), Mandrake (x86) user. Mostly because Mandrake had the better font support. I've switched over to RedHat 8.0 due to the XFT font support.
BTW, I shouldnt have to recompile the desktop to have decent font support. So dont keep saying "Compile yourself". If I wanted a source based, compile everything yourself distribution, I would use Gentoo. (Gentoo doesnt include all the custom applications for preferences.)
please, before you speak next time, please dont be choking on your father's dick. the frothy cumbubbling bullshit i just heard doesnt make sense. spit the come out, finish jerking off on your father's back, and come back in a more relaxed state. Fucking jerk.
I have to agree with the reviewer's sentiment that they should have included Gnome in SuSE. While KDE is pretty good for newbies from the Windows and Mac world, it's still missing the eye-candy that even basic Gnome 2.x has. Of course this is all my opinion, and highly subjective. But, I will say that if you happen to be a fan of the Gnome environment, you're going to feel a bit restricted by KDE. Some major features are missing in KDE:
-themeable login manager
-flexible bitmap themes that allow you to tweak window behavior into something that you want
-granular control over the look-and-feel of the environment (multiple toolbars, drag and drop launchers, etc...)
-a more standarized approach to where binaries go: '/usr/local/bin' rather than '/opt/kde' (Of course it would be better if things were more like '/usr/local/kde', but thene again I compile everything I use.)
If the only thing you do with your computer is read e-mail, browse the web, word processing, and balancing your checkbook, then KDE should fit nicely. But if you like to express yourself creatively and customize your system for ease of use, KDE is not going to make you too happy.
RedHat's Blue Curve approach is probably a little stronger than SuSE's version of KDE. I've only seen screenshots, but it's much prettier.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
'nuff said
mechanicos ergo cogito
I think this Eugenia distros instalations chat irrelevant.
The OSes have more important aspects than installations. Anyway, the OS is installed ONE time, but used MANY times...
Why in hell she rates an OS by its installations process?
98-9=89, dipshit. more like 89 levels BELOW Mandrake.
:sarcasm start: I use these Distro's all the time and I cant decide which one I like best! WOOWWW! Pretty installer :), ooohhh, i can click there!, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh wont work on my P166, never mind, will install windows on that :) :sarcasm end:
When is everyone gonna learn? Use slack :)
That's great and all but...
Slashdot is a website for dicussion on late breaking technology related topics. It's not a news site.
IOW - Your parent has a point when he makes a statement regarding the value of controversial topics; they make for good discussion. Stop treating Slashdot like it's a news site. Go criticize internet.com.
Gentoo [gentoo.org] is an excellent distribution where everything goes fast :)
Except my SBLive card, which goes no where {grumble grumble grumble} God knows what I've done to foobar it up.
Otherwise, yes, Gentoo makes your machine go mucho fast (well, faster).
hrm, it's missing from their ftp server. apparently, "current" is still 8.0. anyone know if an ftp install will be avaliable for this version as well?
My girlfriend's been asking me for some time to get the OS from the Bad Company(tm) off of her computer and set her up with Linux. I'd been holding off until there was a boxed distribution with a credible replacement for MS Office (which she needs), and I'd say it looks like both of these fit the description. But which is going to have the easiest learning curve, and the fewest calls for me to "make it work"? Anyone have hands-on experience of the relative merits of the latest releases of these distributions? I'm leaning towards Mandrake because it apparently includes the full StarOffice while SuSE includes only OpenOffice.
I recently made the jump from Windows to Linux. I chose SuSE 8.0 Server Pro. I was completely amazed with it`s features and how easy it was to set up a dual boot machine. The YAST2 module took all the guess work and newbie blahs out of the whole install. I am of course still learning what all the whistles and bells are, but hey I was awkward with Windows at first also. I can`t wait to try out the update though. To anyone who is thinking of dumping Windows or just looking for an alternative, I suggest Linux as that alternative. SuSE was the right choice for me, but there are other choices out there. Thanks to the whole Linux community for the help. I look forward to bieng a part of this community for many years to come.
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Naah, its not a news site because it proclaims itself as such, its subjectively defined like random idiots like yourself.
Oh, you're a BeOS [fag/zealot]. You're excused, your mentally handicapped so we cant hold it against you. If only this was 1939 and they could stuff you in an oven so the extent of your annoyance would be the chimney cleaner would have to scrape your human fat deposits off.
Well it sounds like a kernel issue (both RH and SuSE have their own versions of the Linux kernel). You should probably try 8.1 and if that doesn't work then report the issue to SuSE. They most definitely have not left compatibility for your hardware out intentionally.
:)
That said, I've got SuSE running on all kinds of "American" hardware and I've never had a single problem (from high-end servers to low-end desktops).
Are the moderators on crack today or what?! I'm seeing _lots_ of stuff modded -1 offtopic when it's most definitely on topic!!
First she complains about the installer not making enough decisions, then she complains about SaX making decisions.
In reality, the installer DOES make all decisions. All it does (and that was obviously confusing Eugenia) is SHOW these decisions to you and allow you to change it. But it doesn't force you to do anything at all.
What's wrong with that? The below-average complete moron (which everybody seems to be targetting these days.) just presses "Install" and it installs without any need to configure anything. On a computer with one clean harddrive or partition, the install should work just fine with the default settings.
Hell, even Eugenia was able to install the damn thing, so it's dumbed down enough.
Also, unlike Eugenia sais, SuSE comes with CDs *AND* DVD, not "or".
It can't be denied that the subject of this site is related to news, but I still do not believe that Slashdot bills itself as a "news site." The biggest part of slash is its discussion, not its news posting feature.
The real question is, if there's other sites out there that are so much better for what you need, why bother staying here at all?
They really should do a comparison of the new Redhat to SUSE to Mandrake. Of course it is going to be good compared with itself. I guess Ill have to buy/download/formatdrive/install all three to get a real overview of the differences. Berlin Brown bigbinc@hotmail.com
---- Berlin Brown http://www.newspiritcompany.
This is getting to be a real annoyance. I don't want to have to download (7x650) 4.550 GB of data just to try out the latest linux distro. Some people aren't even able because they're either on a modem or have capped broadband. Personally, I'd like to see all distros cut down to three:
1 CD to install the OS. This would be the only cd necessary to install the operating system. With just this one cd, the user would be able to install their chosen distro of GNU/Linux and get a graphical desktop with some very basic apps (I'm picturing basically everything on the accessories menu on windows).
Up to 2 cds of apps - an office suite, dev tools, games, whatever. After using the single OS install disc, the user would then be able to pop an apps cd into the system and choose what they want.
No source cds. I'm not saying that distro makers shouldn't provide source code to the binaries that they distribute (they should!) and I'm certainly not saying that source is useless (it's not!). I'm just saying that making ISOs of source packages available for download is a great way to waste bandwidth for users and mirror sites that don't bother to mark them as non-essential to the process of 'getting something working'. Windows doesn't have a loop device to check out isos before they're burned, so newbies from windows can't help but be confused. (Yes, I know about Daemon Tools. Does everyone else?)
It would eliminate bloated 2GB default installs and cd swapping. Sure, there wouldn't be a (start|hat|k|foot|swirl) menu that takes up 10MB of space on disk just for the items it contains, but that's probably a good thing.
I'm not bashing suse or RH or any of the other GNU/Linux distros. I'm just saying that the default install/CD bloat is way out of hand and this would be an easy way to solve it. The way I see it, it's a no-brainer like replacing "scary" printk's during kernel startup with a booting progress bar (by default).
Oh my... Is this guy for real?
Let's face it, friends:
Distros save you cooking the cuisine but therefore give you fastfood. You can't have both. And SuSE is the best darn distro I've ever seen - making the best job of offering a fastfood cuisine compromise.
It's that simple.
For instance: the documentation simply 0wnz RedHat and all the rest - and a dead tree is something good to hold on to when your box won't budge and you haven't been told the "man 'your one-word question here'" trick yet.
SuSEs YaST got me so far with me knowing nothin' 'bout Linux, I would have found it silly to give up again.
Shure this automatic stuff tends to be a pain a year later when your "/usr/lib/java ->jsdk1.4.1" gets changed to "/usr/lib/java ->jsdk1.1.2" every time you fire it up once again, but when you are ready to notice the fault in some distros config I guess you're ready for Debian.
I'm not buying SuSE anymore, as I am not buying any Distro anymore. I'm expierenced enough to get Gentoo or Debian rolling from scratch and if anything it's them getting a donation.
But for n00bs like I was one once, I know no better way to turn to Linux and *never* look back on Windows again than SuSE. This company has earned itself a solid reputation for a reference grade quality Linux distribution and every word of it is true. If you're thinking of giving Linux a try, try SuSE.
I can only recommend it.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!
Yes, pretty much everything. Like, for example, installs ;)
I, for one, think you'd have to try pretty hard to find SuSE's installation difficult. She complains about the problems for newbies, but this is SuSE 8.1 Professional. Yes, it's for professionals.
Having said that, I think the installer is wonderful for newbies. I like the fact that you get a summary (which is like a web page, as Eugenia said), and you can drill down as deep as you want to customize it. If you like the defaults that the installer has chosen, you can click OK and go right to the installation. I can't imagine why a linear progression through a wizard would be preferable.
If you honestly have a hard time installing SuSE, then I just can't imagine what kind of installer you'd find easier. (I guess that's why I don't design installers.)
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
I have been a RH user since 4.2 and a KDE user since before their first 1.0 release. I just bought RH 8.0 and the tweeking of KDE that they have done irks me to no end. I have just started to look at it, but it appears that you can't simply change themes back to the KDE default to recover the KDE 3 look and feel. Would anyone like to share their experience with how they recovered the KDE 3 look? I know it must be simple but I haven't had time to probe into it much. Sorry for the OT post.
Unless your ISP's firewall does not allow active ftp.
kind of ...
... a bummer
I use ext3 on several partitions on several machines. It's never had a problem.
I don't have stability problems either. Methinks you are generalizing. Obviously if it were so terrible, You would be hearing scads of complaints like yours. We haven't.
I have to agree with the reviewer's sentiment that they should have included Gnome in SuSE.
At least in the German version of SuSE 8.1 Pro I got here they include GNOME, both 1.x and 2. You can choose both GNOMEs and truckloads of GNOME packages on install, and you can also decide later if you want to have kdm or gdm as your login manager. You can also directly log into a GNOME 2 session from the kdm they preinstall. How much more GNOME support does one need ?
You don't need to rely on your distro's font support. It can be easily replaced with a hack that's somewhere on the net. Do a Google search for "Xft hack."
Don't let such a simple thing as fonts make you choose which distro to use.
How come nobody ever tries to make comparison reviews judging the different distros according to speed, security, ease of use, administration? That's what I'd like to see.
The author of the package manager emailed me a few weeks back and told me that this is a tool only for professionals and experienced users
LOL...
Come on, grab ARCHIVES.gz from the first CD, use zgrep and rpm to install. Yast2 is the worst, I have ever seen/used. Using SuSE since their first distro (4.2).
yes linux is the hippyest OS ever written. well okay maybe coherent was hippyer. but this is unacceptable. lou dobs is wearing a blue checkered tie. ooh lah lah, what a dish!
your last paragraph makes no sense since hitler was gay.
Why is it that any chick that posts on a tech site is instantly lusted after by every hard-up nerd on the web? Most, if not all of these 'chicks' only meet the base requirements of being a chick, in the fact that they have a vagina and boobs. They look like a cross between Jabba the Hutt and Rosie. I'd go gay first.
When the next official X release comes out with support for XFT2 and the next official qt release comes out with support for it, then SuSE will put them in the supplementary version of your favorite mirror. SuSE does not ship beta versions of core componentes like glibc or X.
SuSE has been antialiased (XFT1) for more than a year now, KDE3 offers a good way to install fonts, I do not know what is missing exactly. I think Eugenia did not know about kcmfontconfig. No problem here (SuSE-8.0).
Moritz
Since when is slashdot doing microshit ads? I just saw one at the top of the page.
Wrong. You are wrong. Rob Malda himself said in a thread that most people don't read the comments, and he gave a statistic - like 90% of those who come don't read the comments. If Slashdot's search engine wasn't broken and useless [it only allows searching in subject lines, fucking dumb] I could get you the comment, but alas, I cannot locate it. Anyone who does know where Malda's deprecation of those in the threads, please let me know here.
The biggest part for you is the discussions, and you just fucking made up in your mind, out of thin air, that this site is more popular as a discussion board. It's the worst discussion venue I have EVER seen. It is loaded with crap, populist mob think, untrue statements like yours above, even you are a party to the denigrated state here.
So continue on, newbie, on your populist path, and realize you argue with only a small subset of Slashdotters, and you self righteous types and bored realists such as myself will continue to argue. I seek only to keep reducing idiots like you in threads, and you stupid pussies come for more and you feel good when things that don't agree with your untrue, bullshit populist mob think get moderated down. But you're still fucking wrong.
yeah, but he could throw him in the jew roasting spizer, have a chimney cleaning dude scrape the human fat deposits off, bottle it, and then use it as anal lube for the gay sex he is going to have with rob malda as he steps out of the time machine seeking to have sex with his all time totalitarian idol, Hitler.
"Unfortunately, this has been the trend with too many reviewers - they look at the superficial stuff, and make up their minds based on whether the colors are pretty, and this passes as in-depth journalism."
I agree. Someone taking the review seriously, and having no basis of comparison, would think that SuSE was a terrible distribution. Also, it is somewhat irrelevant that the distribution doesn't install well at the resolution used by 24" monitors.
I also agree with this: "It was thinking (if you can call it that) like this that gave us the dot.bomb crash."
It wasn't the reviewer's best work.
Just select the K menu and select control panel. Select the default theme. After that find the sytles menu. From their select kde default instead of bluecurve. Last click on the upper left hand Window title bar on any running program. I am not a on a linux machine currently but I believe you can change the Window decoration on one of the settings by right mouse botton clicking it and selecting docarations. Browse and find the default kde2. This will get rid of the bluecurve default titlebar. You may want to keep the default font since the orignal kde ones are ugly as hell.
The only problem I noticed is the default kpanel is gone and replace with the gnome one. I know this because I played around with some of the settings and they are almost identical to the gnome panel. Also you may need to download the default icons from kde's website.
Doing all of these will bring back %95 of the kde desktop back.
What really annoys me more then the gui is the exclusion of apache1.3x and perl 5.6!
Do you have any perl cgi scripts that access a mysql database? Your SOL. Redhat included the older gcc 2.9.5x compiler but not the older perl or apache. And no, perl is not fully source compatible with perl 5.6 like the perl mongers say it is.
I am learning perl programming from a college level book called "How to Program Perl" by Dietel and Dietel. Many cs majors have used their c and c++ books. I tested all the example programs and noticed alot of problems. Particularly with return statements, threading, mysql access, and cgi since mod-perl has not been fully ported to apache2 yet. The return statement problems seems to be caused by some changes in default scoping rules. I can easily changes these but I want to learn how to program and not learn how to deal with perl 5.8. Everything else can not be ported. I do not mind the newer versions of apache and perl being included. I would just like the older ones installed optionally as well as gcc. Apache 2.x is not ready for anything besides static webpages.
In other words avoid this release if your an internet developer.
On the other hand my gripe with suse is that their distro's have always been buggy and not as reliable as redhat or debian.
For my games which require low latency sound(sucks on w2k), and low ping times I will stick with redhat. I have noticed ping times cut in half in some circumstances and my scores are higher due to low latency for sound. I am already dead before I hear the rocket sometimes under w2k. For software development, I will stick with Windows2k.
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There is no point crying about all the tiny features that don't work in Suse. First of all, each distribution has a different way of doing things, which is nice as it shows that we have freedom of choice.
So when reviewing a distribution you need to look at it objectively from the value it gives you. People who have been using yast or yast 2 before are very effective in using it and working around the querks, just like many Linux user are beter with the bash or bourne shells than Windows users.
Secondly, most people are not interested in hearing the same old problem stories, after the authors keeps throwing all sorts of weird and exotic hardware-software combinations at the distro. For my part I am interested how well it works on normal PCs, eg. Dell Optiplex, Poweredge, Compaq Proliant servers, etc... I am sure in Germany (where Suse is located) there are many strange monitors that are 2 years old that are not auto-detected by RedHat et al! So saying that a particular monitor is not on the hardware list constitutes hardware compatibility issues is pretty daft(the same could be said about any linux system).
Also - graphical user interfaces are purely a matter of personal taste. If you don't like KDE, please use Gnome. It is no secret that Suse is KDE biased, so please do not blame them if you don't like the looks. It cannot be that difficult to download a theme or customize the desktop to fit your private preferences?
So at the end of the day, what value does Suse add?
- Grub substitutes Lilo, a necessary evolutionary step
- CUPS printing as default brings it up to the current state of the art
- XFS file system introduced already in 8.0 brings reliable journaling and ACLs for those people who do not like patching kernels and using ReiserFS or EXT3
- Apache, Samba, Bind and other standard apps precompiled with workable configurations
If you are a pro, you do not have to use these SUSE RPMs or yast, but instead you will compile these servers yourself anyway.
Overall Suse is not perfect, but neither are the other distros. Most problems are a matter of personal preference, but these problems also happen with other distros. The point is that Suse gets the job done, and once you take of your red hat and learn doing it the other way, you can actually get a nice result.
I know SuSE doesn't distribute it but does anyone else?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Thank you, you just described Eugenia Loli to the tee! I'd rather toss a fat man's salad than to go near her putrid, foul, stupid ass. She deserves nothing in life, and wish only to see her suffer much.
Thanks for the info. I think I am just going to uninstall my redhat KDE packages, download the latest KDE packages from kde.org and compile them myself. That's probably the best way to make sure my KDE install is the "real" KDE.
All well and good. Yet, in the end, you've substantiated nothing. You could not produce this magical post. You can't prove that the intent of slash is for news rather than discussion. Your statement is just as baseless as mine. I refer to it as a discussion site because that is how I view it. In my case, the articles are rarely what I'm after. The reason being that I have often already read them on other, more effecient, news sites. However Slashdotters end up producing much more reference material than these, I guess in your world, "competing" news sites. That is what I'm after, as I prefer not to take information at face value.
Undoubtedly you have your own internalized rationalizations which lead you to believe (and proclaim) that the discussion here is useless, and that this is a poor excuse for a news site. While I can accept that, I can't understand why you feel the need to hang around under such circumstances. If it's just to start petty flame wars and further degrade the conversation here, that's all well and good. I just hope you realize that, in the end, you've accomplished nothing.
Have fun stroking your ego manifest.
In the meantime I'll continue associating with my populist mob for, as we know, everyone on slashdot agrees on everything. I admire your convition, yet pity your endeavor.
and it seems to be the main competitor of Red Hat 8.
What is Mandrake ? www.mandrake.com
Hmm, thanks! I was just now wondering why the SuSE boot CD would stop at "trying to connect to FTP".
Of course, SuSE 8.1 isn't on the FTP sites yet.
Anyone going to be offering (3rd party) ISOs for download anytime soon?
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
The Night Defender Fat Eugenia Loli Fat
Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's grinding the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the monitor.
"N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"
Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, ass-crack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.
"Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.
The hour of judgment approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."
"YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherent broken English. She's on a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.
You were my first Linux love baby, now give me a proper ISO and I will be back in your arms in a heartbeat. RH 8.0 has failed me repeatedly in it's short existence and has thusly been replaced with Win2K on the laptop. Debian is awesome but I just cannot be bothered with tweaking and compiling until USB works with my camera any more. I am fucking tired of messing with linux distros just to have the same functionality that my dad can get by installing Windows. Five years with Linux and I am saving up for an OSX box. Five fucking years, down the drain. I have stopped waiting, stopped hoping, and am just ready to move along with Win2K until I can afford a Mac. This sucks, wait until it happens to you my Linux brothers and sisters. I never thought the day would come that it would just no longer be worth it to fight with Linux to get it to do what I wanted, but it did. Peace out...unless SuSE wants to break out the proper ISO, then I shall give it one more go.
Here is a link to Rho's Journal - talking about Malda's feelings about user comments.
And here is the direct link to Malda's feelings towards user comments.
So you see, you are arguing, and commenting with a very small subset of people. There are regulars here, good and evil alike. You think you get good and fresh info from Slashdot comments in general, then you would be mistaken. I personally post good stuff when I'm not trolling, and I never found karma whoreing hard to do. Its really easy. I can probably make a 3 without thinking, a +4 wit some effort and the difference between what makes a +4 and +5 comment difference escapes me only that +5 tend to be easily moderated down. One this that is not a guarantee, there is no mutual inclusion between being [Insightful, Interesting, Funny or Informative] and a positive moderation. In fact, as the number of moderations increase, it is likely that it is more and more mobocratic and designed to placate the "communisty," the throngs of "mediocritomatons" showing the approval, like National Socialism in Germany in the 30's and the first half of the 40's - everyone digs it, man. Anyways, you can either be REALLY funny, or make a longer post with lots of HTML formatting and informative links, or you can just be a part of the mob, and abuse the system by subscribing to mob think and projecting it. Anyway, I get back through Meta Moderation. If its moderating something down, its marked unfair. Far too much good stuff is squelched - particularly unpopular opinions, which may or may not be insightful - the mob doesn't *ever* differentiate between the two.
Anyways, enjoy life in a vacuous microcosm. Hope its fun to "feel" right but not ever know it.
trolling you morons is entertaining.
So perhaps the fact that she clearly didn't have the DVD is the reason she chose not to use it?
Ok. I am really getting tired of Slashdot reposting the crap rag OSNEWS on here. Please, PLEASE stop "editors". I don't know
which of you has a fetish for Eugenia Loli, but this is supposed to be a Nerds site, not a technically impaired idiot site.
Please, I implore you, please, STOP RE-POSTING OSNews *Crap* here. Here stuff is devoid of technical cross examinations, rife
with conjecture and poor spelling and grammar, and she does what has long been disallowed here, the censoring of Anonymous
Cowards. It is bad enough Slashdot isn*t critically edited or reviewed, but in the absence of recourse by a commenting public
free from censorship and suppression, OSNews is a totalitarian one way street. Please consider that she is likely to be getting
kickback to review and announce things, and with her one way system, she could very well be lying to suit the needs of her
underwriters without having recourse.
Eugenia Loli needs to exposed. I will post 3 articles that show how fascist the Greeks can be, and that people like Eugenia
perpetrate. Then I will cover My Big Fat GReek Wedding, with Fat being the operative word. Then some random Eugenia quotes. I
hate you Eugenia, for being a fascist at OSNEWS. You are a pathetic waif who can not accept dissent, and you dictate to your
small and withering community. I hope you get ovarian cancer.
Fat Eugenia Loli's Friends Ban all electronig games by mistake. Its people like Eugenia Loli that show that the formerly great
state of Greece has erorded into a festering inbred, stupid hairy totalitarian fucks like herself. Now is the fatty greases
sweltering out of her cellulite that makes it seem like Grease would be a more apropro name than Greece.
The Night Defender Fat Eugenia Loli Fat
Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is
well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's gridning the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC
activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from
window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her
refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean
temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the
monitor.
"N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be
seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"
Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, asscrack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large
shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of
neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.
"Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat
from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.
The hour of judgement approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues
to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that
she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."
"YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her
chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherant broken English. She's on
a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is
impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she
continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.
Greeks ban electronic games by mistake
Beware Greeks writing laws
By Adamson Rust: Sunday 01 September 2002, 17:40
ONE OF THE SO-CALLED CRADLES of European civilisation appears to have got its Aristotles all in a twist over computer gaming. And
mobile phones, for that matter.
The Greek government appears to have lost its marbles.
The government wanted to prevent its people from wasting their money by using electronic slot machines but the democratically
appointed government has banned all computer games everywhere by mistake.
And now the cops are raiding Internet cafes to enforce the said SNAFU.
The law, according to our Greek correspondents, prohibits any kind of game that is played on any kind of electronic equipment.
And it appears to have been drafted so loosely that that includes mobile phones.
Theoretically, the cops could bust into people's homes but so far apparently they have arrested Internet cafe owners and
customers who were fighting a few rounds of Q3 CTF.
Next thing, the cops will be creeping up on people using their mobile phones just to make sure they're not playing a quick game
rather than using them for their real purpose.
Here are some details of the cock up in Greek.
And there's more details about this at the Greek Net Cafe organisation.
Give us a glass of hemlock, Socrates!
Greek govt bans all computer games
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 03/09/2002 at 16:45 GMT
The government of Greece is making heroic efforts to humiliate the nation in front of the entire world, by banning all electronic
games. That's right; something as innocent as playing computer chess on your laptop in a hotel lobby is now a crime with
penalties of up to three months in stir and a fine of 10,000 euros.
The purpose behind this charming legislation is to crack down on Internet gambling (which already was illegal) -- or, rather, to
enable legislators to enact their little public dance of righteous aversion to Internet gambling.
Improved enforcement of existing law is all that was needed, but there's a problem. Unfortunately, the Greek government is
"incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines," according to an older article from the
English-language Kathimerini newspaper, written while the bill was under consideration.
Now it's official. The legislature has concluded that all electronic games have got to go because the bureaucrats they're
maintaining on the public payroll aren't swift enough to figure out the difference between video poker and TuXkart. Perhaps
enforcing literacy requirements and sobriety regulations for government workers would have been a more productive approach, but
it's too late for that now.
Greek ban on gaming threatens Internet cafes
By John Lettice Posted: 04/07/2002 at 12:49 GMT
A Register reader in Greece emails us claiming that the Greek government has effectively outlawed Internet cafes by "all LAN and
Internet games and any kind of game that is supported by electrical, electronic or software means." If anybody so much as has
something looking like a game on the screen, he tells us, the cafe manager is liable for arrest.
All of this makes some kind of perverted sense. Computers in Internet cafes are gaming machines, sort of. Or at least they have
that potential, and Greece has already shown signs of considering them as such. More recently, Greece banned all amusement and
gambling machines, including the likes of Pac Man.
You pay for computers in Internet cafes, you can play games on them, so yes, there you go. And a little further research leads us
to believe that Greece's position is maybe not so wildly eccentric as one might initially think. Here in the UK one does have to
pay duty on gaming and amusement machines in public places. You can get a little more information about the position by tearing
through this section of the 1995 Finance Act, but frankly we do not recommend it.
It would however seem logical to us for Internet cafe machines playing games to be classed somewhere within the amusement
machines category, and therefore liable for duty. If they're not, then pubs installing computers instead of amusement machines
could be on to a good wrinkle. So, some form of cafe tax? OK, but what, then, are we going to do about all of those people in
pubs who'll sometime soon be whipping out their 3G phones in order to play online games?
In Greece, obviously, they'll just arrest the nearest bar manager, while in London's West End we foresee a variation on traffic
wardens slapping Internetting Tickets on careless mobile gamers...
FAT EUGENIA FAT FAT LARD FAT PORCINE CORPULENT CELLULITE RIDDEN FAT
'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' Rolls on
Wed Aug 14, 3:23 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) - In a summer of huge movies that last just a few weeks in theaters and are lucky to break even, one little film
won't quit.
The celebration has lasted all summer for "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Wedding," a micro-budgeted romantic comedy
with great word-of-mouth that has steadily climbed from 20th place on the box-office chart to No. 8 last weekend. The film,
about a woman who defies the traditions of her loud Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia family by marrying a man who isn't
Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia, cost only about $5 million to produce. It has collected nearly $45 million since it's April
debut, and the end of the honeymoon is nowhere in sight. "I feel like I connected with absolute strangers across America. That's
what I love more than anything," said Nia Vardalos, the star and writer, who adapted the film from her one-woman stage show.
"The money is like, 'Yeah, yeah.'
world: when women are coming up and saying 'I'm you.'" Vardalos, 39, said she had thought the film would cover its cost and
maybe turn a small profit. "I thought I could just die happy that I made a Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia-American movie and
I actually got to star in it and that's it," she said. While "Men in Black II" and "Minority Report" have earned three times as
much as Vardalos' film, they also cost about 20 times more to produce. Once marketing costs are factored in, those movies will
likely show a profit only on home video. By comparison, "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Wedding," playing in only
723 theaters, continues to add screens and draw packed houses. Brian Fuson, box-office analyst for The Hollywood Reporter, said
it could hold a spot in the top 10 for several more weeks. "It was a slow roll-out, a few more theaters each week, building its
way up," said Fuson. "It's basically what every small independent film hopes will happen." The project developed after actor
Tom Hanks and his wife, Rita Wilson, who is Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia-American, saw Vardalos' Los Angeles stage play in
1998. They liked it so much that Hanks purchased the rights through his production company, Playtone Co., and agreed to let
Vardalos adapt the story and take the starring role. Other producers had shown interest in the story, but most wanted to
change the family's ethnicity to Hispanic or Italian, saying Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenias wouldn't resonate with
mainstream audiences, Vardalos said. "They came to me and said, 'We saw your play,' and it's almost like the subtext was: 'And
now we're gonna wreck it,'" Vardalos said. "They said, 'Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia, Italian * it's the same, isn't it?'"
The difference may just be the details * baklava vs. cannoli * but Vardalos wanted to express pride in her heritage while poking
fun at universal idiosyncrasies: prying parents, overprotective brothers, oddball aunts and uncles, and the ritualistic
force-feeding found at big family gatherings. Raised in Winnipeg, Canada, Vardalos started her career studying musical theater
and worked in the box office of the Second City comedy troupe in Chicago. When one of the actors missed a performance one
night, she filled in because she knew all the lines. The next day, the group hired her as a performer, and the rest played out
like a Hollywood movie: Among the Second City performers was her future husband, Ian Gomez, who appears in the movie as her
fiance's best friend. Her own traditional Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia wedding * full of boisterous relatives, oodles of
food and the grudging fusion of cultures * inspired her stage act. She is considering a sequel set in Greece, perhaps
something along the lines of "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Honeymoon," and has received numerous other acting
offers. Vardalos is reluctant to specify future plans or take a guess at her movie's final box-office take. She doesn't want to
jinx anything. "I'm a Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia tragedian, so we're scared of stuff like that," she said.
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Eugenia, is that you? I hate you because of the way you censor. I hate you, and if I had to live in your kingdom in real life I
would suicide attack you. Your death would be worthy ends to my means.
This is just another example of spineless crap moderation by Eugenia. I hate her fucking fascist fat fronds of celluite dripping
down her bones and puddling up near here wrists which hinge har fat sausage fingers.
Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh,
Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco,
and certainly the worst of the bunch, EUGENIA FAT PIG LOLI's editing/moderating [read: censoring] ALL AGREE on ONE THING:
So, you busy little plebian proletariat BITCH, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN!
Good job you little neo-commies BITCH, EUGENIA FAT. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an
ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of OSNEWS and its fucking lame conjecture.]
A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
Crack Pipe
Crack smoke wafts though air
Dumb shit LOLI QUERU
Try to suck less, please
Humorless
Crack smoke wafts through air
Humorless LOLI QUERU
Why do you hate me?
The Proletariat
OSnews Commie
LOLI QUERU fears new idea!
Censor him quickly!
Get busy moderating this down, you little minions of the FAT GREASE LORD obedient prefects of the corrupt CUNT, LOLI! You are
the vanguards of chunky brown vaginal discharges, and dissent is not allowed!
She is an ugly, fat *fucking* pig. Check out her disgusting fat face here.[http://www.eugenia.co.uk/images/eugenia.jpg]
Here is her lame shit bio:
Name: Eugenia Loli-Queru [AKA FAT PIG STUPID BITCH]
Title: Editor-in-Chief [Editor? HAHAHAHA. That's a laugh. Cant spell or speak and is not technical.]
Email: eugenia@osnews.com [fat.pig@goatse.cx]
Personal website: http://www.eugenia.co.uk/
Birthday: 24th May, 1973
Current residence: Foster City (San Francisco Bay Area), CA, USA
Short biography: I worked for 2 years at BeNews, serving the BeOS and its community, and before that I was contributing as a news editor for a well known Gaming news site for about 8 months and I also co- held a fan site (LandOfEden) in the early development days of Lionhead's Black'n'White. For more information about me, you can always check my homepage.
I am Greek and english is not my native language. We do OSNews for fun (however, OSNews takes most of my time every day), so if you have a problem with my spelling and grammar either a) do not come back (spare us and save your time too) b) send me a proofread version of the article in question.
Whining about something I can't radically improve overnight, is not an option.
Ok. I am really getting tired of Slashdot reposting the crap rag OSNEWS on here. Please, PLEASE stop "editors". I don't know
which of you has a fetish for Eugenia Loli, but this is supposed to be a Nerds site, not a technically impaired idiot site.
Please, I implore you, please, STOP RE-POSTING OSNews *Crap* here. Here stuff is devoid of technical cross examinations, rife
with conjecture and poor spelling and grammar, and she does what has long been disallowed here, the censoring of Anonymous
Cowards. It is bad enough Slashdot isn*t critically edited or reviewed, but in the absence of recourse by a commenting public
free from censorship and suppression, OSNews is a totalitarian one way street. Please consider that she is likely to be getting
kickback to review and announce things, and with her one way system, she could very well be lying to suit the needs of her
underwriters without having recourse.
Eugenia Loli needs to exposed. I will post 3 articles that show how fascist the Greeks can be, and that people like Eugenia
perpetrate. Then I will cover My Big Fat GReek Wedding, with Fat being the operative word. Then some random Eugenia quotes. I
hate you Eugenia, for being a fascist at OSNEWS. You are a pathetic waif who can not accept dissent, and you dictate to your
small and withering community. I hope you get ovarian cancer.
Fat Eugenia Loli's Friends Ban all electronig games by mistake. Its people like Eugenia Loli that show that the formerly great
state of Greece has erorded into a festering inbred, stupid hairy totalitarian fucks like herself. Now is the fatty greases
sweltering out of her cellulite that makes it seem like Grease would be a more apropro name than Greece.
The Night Defender Fat Eugenia Loli Fat
Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is
well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's gridning the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC
activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from
window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her
refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean
temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the
monitor.
"N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be
seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"
Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, asscrack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large
shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of
neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.
"Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat
from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.
The hour of judgement approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues
to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that
she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."
"YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her
chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherant broken English. She's on
a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is
impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she
continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.
Greeks ban electronic games by mistake
Beware Greeks writing laws
By Adamson Rust: Sunday 01 September 2002, 17:40
ONE OF THE SO-CALLED CRADLES of European civilisation appears to have got its Aristotles all in a twist over computer gaming. And
mobile phones, for that matter.
The Greek government appears to have lost its marbles.
The government wanted to prevent its people from wasting their money by using electronic slot machines but the democratically
appointed government has banned all computer games everywhere by mistake.
And now the cops are raiding Internet cafes to enforce the said SNAFU.
The law, according to our Greek correspondents, prohibits any kind of game that is played on any kind of electronic equipment.
And it appears to have been drafted so loosely that that includes mobile phones.
Theoretically, the cops could bust into people's homes but so far apparently they have arrested Internet cafe owners and
customers who were fighting a few rounds of Q3 CTF.
Next thing, the cops will be creeping up on people using their mobile phones just to make sure they're not playing a quick game
rather than using them for their real purpose.
Here are some details of the cock up in Greek.
And there's more details about this at the Greek Net Cafe organisation.
Give us a glass of hemlock, Socrates!
Greek govt bans all computer games
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 03/09/2002 at 16:45 GMT
The government of Greece is making heroic efforts to humiliate the nation in front of the entire world, by banning all electronic
games. That's right; something as innocent as playing computer chess on your laptop in a hotel lobby is now a crime with
penalties of up to three months in stir and a fine of 10,000 euros.
The purpose behind this charming legislation is to crack down on Internet gambling (which already was illegal) -- or, rather, to
enable legislators to enact their little public dance of righteous aversion to Internet gambling.
Improved enforcement of existing law is all that was needed, but there's a problem. Unfortunately, the Greek government is
"incapable of distinguishing innocuous video games from illegal gambling machines," according to an older article from the
English-language Kathimerini newspaper, written while the bill was under consideration.
Now it's official. The legislature has concluded that all electronic games have got to go because the bureaucrats they're
maintaining on the public payroll aren't swift enough to figure out the difference between video poker and TuXkart. Perhaps
enforcing literacy requirements and sobriety regulations for government workers would have been a more productive approach, but
it's too late for that now.
Greek ban on gaming threatens Internet cafes
By John Lettice Posted: 04/07/2002 at 12:49 GMT
A Register reader in Greece emails us claiming that the Greek government has effectively outlawed Internet cafes by "all LAN and
Internet games and any kind of game that is supported by electrical, electronic or software means." If anybody so much as has
something looking like a game on the screen, he tells us, the cafe manager is liable for arrest.
All of this makes some kind of perverted sense. Computers in Internet cafes are gaming machines, sort of. Or at least they have
that potential, and Greece has already shown signs of considering them as such. More recently, Greece banned all amusement and
gambling machines, including the likes of Pac Man.
You pay for computers in Internet cafes, you can play games on them, so yes, there you go. And a little further research leads us
to believe that Greece's position is maybe not so wildly eccentric as one might initially think. Here in the UK one does have to
pay duty on gaming and amusement machines in public places. You can get a little more information about the position by tearing
through this section of the 1995 Finance Act, but frankly we do not recommend it.
It would however seem logical to us for Internet cafe machines playing games to be classed somewhere within the amusement
machines category, and therefore liable for duty. If they're not, then pubs installing computers instead of amusement machines
could be on to a good wrinkle. So, some form of cafe tax? OK, but what, then, are we going to do about all of those people in
pubs who'll sometime soon be whipping out their 3G phones in order to play online games?
In Greece, obviously, they'll just arrest the nearest bar manager, while in London's West End we foresee a variation on traffic
wardens slapping Internetting Tickets on careless mobile gamers...
FAT EUGENIA FAT FAT LARD FAT PORCINE CORPULENT CELLULITE RIDDEN FAT
'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' Rolls on
Wed Aug 14, 3:23 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) - In a summer of huge movies that last just a few weeks in theaters and are lucky to break even, one little film
won't quit.
The celebration has lasted all summer for "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Wedding," a micro-budgeted romantic comedy
with great word-of-mouth that has steadily climbed from 20th place on the box-office chart to No. 8 last weekend. The film,
about a woman who defies the traditions of her loud Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia family by marrying a man who isn't
Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia, cost only about $5 million to produce. It has collected nearly $45 million since it's April
debut, and the end of the honeymoon is nowhere in sight. "I feel like I connected with absolute strangers across America. That's
what I love more than anything," said Nia Vardalos, the star and writer, who adapted the film from her one-woman stage show.
"The money is like, 'Yeah, yeah.'
world: when women are coming up and saying 'I'm you.'" Vardalos, 39, said she had thought the film would cover its cost and
maybe turn a small profit. "I thought I could just die happy that I made a Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia-American movie and
I actually got to star in it and that's it," she said. While "Men in Black II" and "Minority Report" have earned three times as
much as Vardalos' film, they also cost about 20 times more to produce. Once marketing costs are factored in, those movies will
likely show a profit only on home video. By comparison, "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Wedding," playing in only
723 theaters, continues to add screens and draw packed houses. Brian Fuson, box-office analyst for The Hollywood Reporter, said
it could hold a spot in the top 10 for several more weeks. "It was a slow roll-out, a few more theaters each week, building its
way up," said Fuson. "It's basically what every small independent film hopes will happen." The project developed after actor
Tom Hanks and his wife, Rita Wilson, who is Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia-American, saw Vardalos' Los Angeles stage play in
1998. They liked it so much that Hanks purchased the rights through his production company, Playtone Co., and agreed to let
Vardalos adapt the story and take the starring role. Other producers had shown interest in the story, but most wanted to
change the family's ethnicity to Hispanic or Italian, saying Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenias wouldn't resonate with
mainstream audiences, Vardalos said. "They came to me and said, 'We saw your play,' and it's almost like the subtext was: 'And
now we're gonna wreck it,'" Vardalos said. "They said, 'Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia, Italian * it's the same, isn't it?'"
The difference may just be the details * baklava vs. cannoli * but Vardalos wanted to express pride in her heritage while poking
fun at universal idiosyncrasies: prying parents, overprotective brothers, oddball aunts and uncles, and the ritualistic
force-feeding found at big family gatherings. Raised in Winnipeg, Canada, Vardalos started her career studying musical theater
and worked in the box office of the Second City comedy troupe in Chicago. When one of the actors missed a performance one
night, she filled in because she knew all the lines. The next day, the group hired her as a performer, and the rest played out
like a Hollywood movie: Among the Second City performers was her future husband, Ian Gomez, who appears in the movie as her
fiance's best friend. Her own traditional Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia wedding * full of boisterous relatives, oodles of
food and the grudging fusion of cultures * inspired her stage act. She is considering a sequel set in Greece, perhaps
something along the lines of "My Big Fat Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia Honeymoon," and has received numerous other acting
offers. Vardalos is reluctant to specify future plans or take a guess at her movie's final box-office take. She doesn't want to
jinx anything. "I'm a Fucking.Pig.Greek.Eugenia tragedian, so we're scared of stuff like that," she said.
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Eugenia, is that you? I hate you because of the way you censor. I hate you, and if I had to live in your kingdom in real life I
would suicide attack you. Your death would be worthy ends to my means.
This is just another example of spineless crap moderation by Eugenia. I hate her fucking fascist fat fronds of celluite dripping
down her bones and puddling up near here wrists which hinge har fat sausage fingers.
Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh,
Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco,
and certainly the worst of the bunch, EUGENIA FAT PIG LOLI's editing/moderating [read: censoring] ALL AGREE on ONE THING:
So, you busy little plebian proletariat BITCH, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN!
Good job you little neo-commies BITCH, EUGENIA FAT. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an
ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of OSNEWS and its fucking lame conjecture.]
A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
Crack Pipe
Crack smoke wafts though air
Dumb shit LOLI QUERU
Try to suck less, please
Humorless
Crack smoke wafts through air
Humorless LOLI QUERU
Why do you hate me?
The Proletariat
OSnews Commie
LOLI QUERU fears new idea!
Censor him quickly!
Get busy moderating this down, you little minions of the FAT GREASE LORD obedient prefects of the corrupt CUNT, LOLI! You are
the vanguards of chunky brown vaginal discharges, and dissent is not allowed!
She is an ugly, fat *fucking* pig. Check out her disgusting fat face here.[http://www.eugenia.co.uk/images/eugenia.jpg]
Here is her lame shit bio:
Name: Eugenia Loli-Queru [AKA FAT PIG STUPID BITCH]
Title: Editor-in-Chief [Editor? HAHAHAHA. That's a laugh. Cant spell or speak and is not technical.]
Email: eugenia@osnews.com [fat.pig@goatse.cx]
Personal website: http://www.eugenia.co.uk/
Birthday: 24th May, 1973
Current residence: Foster City (San Francisco Bay Area), CA, USA
Short biography: I worked for 2 years at BeNews, serving the BeOS and its community, and before that I was contributing as a news editor for a well known Gaming news site for about 8 months and I also co- held a fan site (LandOfEden) in the early development days of Lionhead's Black'n'White. For more information about me, you can always check my homepage.
I am Greek and english is not my native language. We do OSNews for fun (however, OSNews takes most of my time every day), so if you have a problem with my spelling and grammar either a) do not come back (spare us and save your time too) b) send me a proofread version of the article in question.
Whining about something I can't radically improve overnight, is not an option.
Compete with RedHat? Suse-the-bi*ch? Not by the review and not by my experience with the gropy, vapid, groaning kraut horror. Suse-the-plumper-kraut-bi*ch is no competition for anything. It's fat, sour and obscure, and the only previously functioning part (YAST2) has been distroyed. Don't waste 10 seconds of your time or 10_cents on SusEs egotistic wasteland.
ner ner ni ner ner
> KDE3 offers a good way to install fonts
Sad that KDE3's font installer is broken due to RedHat changes and missing adaptations to it.
Of course Gnome2 is included, read the package lists: Personal, Professional.
" I realize that suse probably isn't going to do anything evil, but imagine what the reaction would be if windows required you to connect to microsoft to install in a similar manner. Just look at the (admittedly ineffective) uproar over product activation in winxp."
They do. It's called a service pack.
wasnt that the woman wo "reviewed" SuSE's new install manager from a few screenshots and told everybody it sucks?
Because it had to much options?
And because it could color newer versions in the package list?
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
I was about to post something sarcastic about this, too, but apparently it's a real word.
If you really have to use Redhat, do as intended and use GNOME. Redhat has no competence regarding KDE configuration, in fact they fired their only dedicated KDE developer, who provided the KDE release packages in his spare time!
Redhat is not an option for me, I am in love with KDE since 0-Beta2. GNOME just feels slimy and hacked together to me.
Moritz
You can get service packs on cd if you want to pay shipping and handling. I'm more worried about the latest "version" of windows update in which the "No information is sent to microsoft during this transaction," notice is absent. Those are just updates, though - akin to running up2date or apt-get dist-upgrade. The possibility that I was referring to above is one in which Microsoft distributes cds that, by themselves, are incapable of installing windows and must connect to the internet to download very large key components, just like gnu/linux ftp installs.
No matter what you do, you'll always be living in both a microcosm and a macrocosm. Nevermind that though, let's get on with the issue at hand.
1 - "...really intelligent people aren't leaving gems of wisdom here..." Are you berating your own post? Oh, wait, of course not. Realists never include themselves in any sociological equations. Now perhaps I enjoy John Carmack's posts merely because I've succumbed to a sheep-like nature. However, I still enjoy them, I'm still going to return.
2 - "You also spelled efficient and conviction wrong..." And I note that you've taken the liberty of inventing a few words yourself. I'm not sure if you realize but it is, in fact, real life (and real jobs) that keeps some of us from scrutinizing our own posts. Perhaps the reason many slashdotters don't analyze their own words to such a severe degree is because they don't take their conversation to be of such dire importance. Seriously, you accuse me of putting so much stock into the comments posted here when I, myself, rate them as just a step above "convenient." In juxtapose, your statement would lead one to believe that you route an incredible amount of energy (though not necessarily an enormous amount of time) to your own posts. Disregard words, and juxtapose our actions, and one would be given the impression that the comments here are of far greater importance to you, rather than I. Your karma "whoreing" is another testament to this theory.
3 - "which is how you refer to my experience to of Slashdot - baseless" You misread my post, great one. Try again.
4 - "cruft" Just wanted to show you where I got the idea that you invent words.
5 - "And here is the direct link..." Can't argue with you on this point. But I'm afraid that you're still not understanding the idea behind my previous posts. My point is that we're both speaking with conjecture. Your failure to realize this leads me to believe that you're not so much a realist as much as you are a mere pessimist.
6 - "So you see, you are arguing, and commenting with a very small subset of people." Doesn't it stand to reason that this place would be a greater pain in the ass for both of us were there more people posting? I wish you would stop complaining about this.
7 - "You think you get good and fresh info from Slashdot comments in general..." I believe the statement was "...Slashdotters end up producing much more reference material..." I usually end up following links posted to smaller sites which go into greater depth on the various subjects.
8 - "I personally post good stuff when I'm not trolling..." I generally do good things when I'm not doing bad things too (yes, that would be me mocking you). Then the rest of your post goes on about how easy it is to karma whore, and why you troll, etc. etc. I don't really care. It's been said many times, and I believe anyone that's been here for a reasonable amount of time knows, that manipulating your karma is easy to do. I don't manipulate my karma, personally. If I really cared about it I'd be posting anonymously right now. If I really cared about this little fight of ours you can bet I'd be posting in HTML format and linking to material to back up my side of the argument as well. But you see, the discussion here isn't as important to me as it is, apparantly, to you. It's just my primary interest here on Slashdot.
Oh my god. I stand corrected. Wow, I hate it when I think I'm all cool and smart for bashing someone else's grammar and then it turns out they were using real words all along.
So you say. Realizing this might help you become less provincial. As far as being in a macrocosm, I fail to understand how a human could be omnipresent to accomplish this.
1 - "...really intelligent people aren't leaving gems of wisdom here..." Are you berating your own post? Oh, wait, of course not. Realists never include themselves in any sociological equations. Now perhaps I enjoy John Carmack's posts merely because I've succumbed to a sheep-like nature. However, I still enjoy them, I'm still going to return.
You point out one person - that's the best you can do. Testament to my point, the place is devoid of real input. So of Carmack's crap is PR material, self appreciation. Most of the supposed famous types, none of whom can ever truly identify themselves as who they say they are here, typically are defensive or defending their virtues. And since the lameness filter is oppressive and dysfunctional, more "code snippets" are trolls than any real information. The denigration here is in part due to the editors not allowing mass moderating to work to eliminate the crap, but now its used (because the number of trolls to dressed up extrapolated conjecture ratio is higher) to suppress any non-populist thinking. Most of the recent changes to the mass moderation system have cost the user comment area dearly in terms of quality, one years for the days of the WIPO troll when most of the crap was at -1.
2 - "You also spelled efficient and conviction wrong..." And I note that you've taken the liberty of inventing a few words yourself. I'm not sure if you realize but it is, in fact, real life (and real jobs) that keeps some of us from scrutinizing our own posts. Perhaps the reason many slashdotters don't analyze their own words to such a severe degree is because they don't take their conversation to be of such dire importance. Seriously, you accuse me of putting so much stock into the comments posted here when I, myself, rate them as just a step above "convenient." In juxtapose, your statement would lead one to believe that you route an incredible amount of energy (though not necessarily an enormous amount of time) to your own posts. Disregard words, and juxtapose our actions, and one would be given the impression that the comments here are of far greater importance to you, rather than I. Your karma "whoreing" is another testament to this theory.
Coining you own phrases encompassing them in quotes is better than being wrong. As far as my job, I'm getting paid to write this now while still being able to great performance reviews. Your use of juxtapose [defined as verb, to put side by side, to contrast] is unclear. Are you contrasting my own statements with my own posts? Are you juxtaposing me with me, then me with you? Again, with regard to "whoreing", you read in whatever you want into my posts. I said its easy, not that I do it anymore - I don't have to.
3 - "which is how you refer to my experience to of Slashdot - baseless" You misread my post, great one. Try again.
No, I understood that you said my statements were as baseless as yours. While you may be willing to forgo the validity of you own statements, I will not do the same.
4 - "cruft" Just wanted to show you where I got the idea that you invent words.
This is classic. This just goes to show that you are not programmatically inclined. Your lack of knowledge serves to amuse me, let me quote www.dict.org;
You certainly aren't as erudite as you may think you are.
5 - "And here is the direct link..." Can't argue with you on this point. But I'm afraid that you're still not understanding the idea behind my previous posts. My point is that we're both speaking with conjecture. Your failure to realize this leads me to believe that you're not so much a realist as much as you are a mere pessimist.
Pessimism with regard to Slashdot is a lot closer to real than mythical reference material mushrooming out of the festering quagmire that is the user comments sections. Of course you cant argue with me because I have show you that the creator of Slashdot does not consider the actuation device for the Slashdot honey pot. However, I would say the reason I come here is for flame war. All of this argument still does not excuse the idiot, Eugenia Loli, and the editor that puts her crap on here from being unqualified to review operating systems.
6 - "So you see, you are arguing, and commenting with a very small subset of people." Doesn't it stand to reason that this place would be a greater pain in the ass for both of us were there more people posting? I wish you would stop complaining about this.
Xenophobia. You have a little group, and any form of thinking that is not like the group is now allowed to prevail. I think that the Slashdot user comments section I rife with Xenophobia. There seems to be several tribes that have formed here. I am only glad that the greatest countries abstract democracies into a republic, because mobocratic moderation (judgment) is clearly flawed and has no regard for the truth. If "the truth is out there," your likely not to find it here front and center, you'll have to dig through reams of crap to fin it probably at 0 or -1.
7 - "You think you get good and fresh info from Slashdot comments in general..." I believe the statement was "...Slashdotters end up producing much more reference material..." I usually end up following links posted to smaller sites which go into greater depth on the various subjects
You sure you want to actually be clear on something?
8 - "I personally post good stuff when I'm not trolling..." I generally do good things when I'm not doing bad things too (yes, that would be me mocking you). Then the rest of your post goes on about how easy it is to karma whore, and why you troll, etc. etc. I don't really care. It's been said many times, and I believe anyone that's been here for a reasonable amount of time knows, that manipulating your karma is easy to do. I don't manipulate my karma, personally. If I really cared about it I'd be posting anonymously right now. If I really cared about this little fight of ours you can bet I'd be posting in HTML format and linking to material to back up my side of the argument as well. But you see, the discussion here isn't as important to me as it is, apparantly,[SIC: apparently] to you. It's just my primary interest here on Slashdot
I would not consider this exchange acerbic and effective enough to qualify as good hardy mockery. If you don't care about it, don't even point it out. Thank you for admitting "It's just my primary interest here on Slashdot." Yours. Not the world's, and certainly not any subset of those who come here that leave useful information behind.
Plenty of options - perhaps the review copies were only distributed on CD for some reason, perhaps Eugenia asked for the CD version (not everybody has a DVD drive, she may have wanted to do the CD install in order to get a feel for what the average user will go through)...I could come up with good possibilities all day.
Eudaemonic research proceeded with the casual mania peculiar to this part of
the world. Nude sunbathing on the back deck was combined with phone calls to
Advanced Kinetics in Costa Mesa, American Laser Systems in Goleta, Automation
Industries in Danbury, Connecticut, Arenberg Ultrasonics in Jamaica Plain,
Massachusetts, and Hewlett Packard in Sunnyvale, California, where Norman
Packard's cousin, David, presided as chairman of the board. The trick was to
make these calls at noon, in the hope that out-to-lunch executives would return
them at their own expense. Eudaemonic Enterprises, for all they knew, might be
a fast-growing computer company branching out of the Silicon Valley. Sniffing
the possibility of high-volume sales, these executives little suspected that
they were talking on the other end of the line to a naked physicist crazed
over roulette.
-- Thomas Bass, "The Eudaemonic Pie"
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