Perl is executable line-noise. That kinda sums it up. If you have no problem with the somewhat bizar syntax of Perl you're in. Perl is powerfull and present on allmost anything that runs even the faintest resemblence of Posix. It' ancient and so are it's homegrown semantics. If you know Unix well, take Perl. You'll feel right at home. You'll have to add AxKit, Petal (the Perl rippoff of Zope's TAL) or some other stuff to make it practically usable for larger webstuff and it will probably be slower than PHP, but therefore it's a very universal PL.
PHP on the other hand is the worlds prime dynamic web content language because it's built for, would've you guessed?: dynamic web content. It's a subset of the large families of SSI-technologies (server-side include) like ASP (don't!), JSP (ok if you're running java), ColdFusion (don't!) and the likes. It's fast, has a bazillion readymade free products ready and beats the living crap out of Perl when it comes to developing dynamic web content. PHP projects make up the lions share of anything serious on the web. You don't need to set up Petal or AxKit/XML or whatnot to get a descent template-engine (as you'd have to with perl) but therefor it gets unpratical when you want to use it for something else then dynamic web stuff. Allthough there's a PHP-GTK lib available that let's you make 'real' apps too.
If you're mainly into dynamic web stuff take PHP. If you emphasise on Unix/Linux admining and scripting take Perl. And take a look at Python and Zope beforehand - those are *my* favourites.
It may seem like some carefully planned move but I just presume it's some sideeffect of MS thrashing about to gain a foothold in a rapidly changing SW market. The don't see a safe and solid foundry in the non-SW dept. at this very moment, so they try to keep it going as good as it has until now. THAT'S why they're licencing from the only company who's in the buisness long enough to actually have something of worth to sell, but smaller then anything that could actually harm MS directly. The days of inhouse-software-only companys and their big success(es) are counted and MS knows this. People will pay for configurations 5 years from now - they won't pay big money for Software anymore. Remember the turmoil caused by the PC-architecture after it was out for a few years? Nearly everything else in the mass marktet of small computers was deader than a doornail soon afterwards.
MiniTel was *way* ahead of time...
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MiniTel was standard in France when a few non-french were still fiddling about with the C64 and 4 Mailboxes across the atlantic. Shure that HW was rugged and not very flexible and that modem was superslow, but it was a standard. And its acceptance was much broader than that of the Inet today. *Everybody* would use it. For chatting, billing (payment via phonebill) and offline communication via bb and the like. The boxes were small compared to todays PCs and everyone with more than 2 braincells and a little bit of common sense could operate them instantly. There were public MiniTel booths everywhere and even pubs, clubs and restaurants would have one or two. Remember, this came something like 15 years before there where Internet Cafe's. In terms of "being online" France really was ten years ahead of time. At least.
Not only that it's a piece of M$ hardware (on Slashdot!!), it's also a exceptionally shoddy piece. Natural Keyboards aside, the other hardware M$ has to offer - albeit somewhat better than their software - is usually overpriced and not very good. Whatever, please use a CH Joystick or a Razer Boomslang for an Icon. I'm serious.
On my last Job (all staff laid off on Dec. 31, 2k3) I shared the office with the Senior Developer, a 40 year old with 20 years expierience in Pascal/Delphi Developement who had a University Diploma in Informatics (that's what it's called in germany, go figure...). He didn't know zilch 'bout OSS, Linux and the lot. I went about evangelizing him and six months later he was way ahead of me in gcc, Python, Java/Netbeans and co. I was/am the young guy (well, sort of young (32:-) )) who new all those new goodies and he has the RL expierience. I'd pick him over any hotshot podknocker on *any* IT related project I can think of. And I'd advise anybody to do the same. 3 Days with him are more worth than 2 weeks with a team of twens with all but a handfull of coding-years each. The same would count if he were fifty or just before retirement.
...if that Font AA stuff he's telling about is true. I have never seen consitant/existing font-AA across the desktop (Motif/QT/GTK/whatever/etc.) on Linux. If they managed to untangle the font config and renderlib mess that would be a good thing indeed.
I never knew about this one. This finally looks like some serious reference grade quality audio app in the OSS dept. Cinelerra, Gimp, Sodipodi and now this. It's another patch closing a wide gap in open source and it seems a damn good one. I'm more the 3D guy rather than a sound fiddler and helped buy Blender (www.blender.org) free, but this is so cool I'll think I'll donate a little here too. If you've got a paypal account allready, spare an Euro, Dollar or two, it's a good deed for the day.
I never knew about this one. This finally looks like some serious reference grade quality audio app in the OSS dept. Cinelerra, Gimp, Sodipodi and now this. It's another patch closing a wide gap in open source and it seems a damn good one. I'm more the 3D guy rather than a sound fiddler and helped buy Blender (www.blender.org) free, but this is so cool I'll think I'll donate a little here too. If you've got a paypal account allready, spare an Euro, Dollar or two, it's a good deed for the day.
but how about...I just give you the finger and you quit pestering me, since it has no use anyway. Because I'm typing this from across the atlantic which is way beyond your jurisdiction, Mr. Smith.
...All sorts of problems with it. Random lockups, HAL errors, etc....
Would those 'HAL errors' you mention be him not opening the pod-bay doors, chucking your comrades into solar orbit or is he just going on your nerves with nursery rymes whenever he's got a memory leak?
I followed a diskussion recently in which a guy who should know (ITK Engineer) said that all this FSB hype is bogus since the real clock speed can't go over 150Mhz. We all now that true higher speed is achieved by a kind of 'frequenzy modulation' of the real lower clock speeds but I really would like to know if a 2000Mhz P4 with 400 Mhz FSB really is 4 times faster than a Celeron 500 Mhz with 100Mhz FSB. What's the reality behing all this system clock craze?
Ok, so the first part sounds like "Sue" or "Soo" with a sharp "S" - something like the first sylable in "soup" (like chicken). The second part is "suh" or "ze", like the last sylable in "nose" (sphinx) or "hose" (gardening).
Note that in german you can read pronounciation even if you have never heard the word before. German pupils can usually read - if not very fluently - after 3 months in school! I wonder if a semi-unification of writing and speech, like unifying the writing of sylables (something like "nite" instead of "night") would help the iliteracy problem in the US in any way.
To me personally the difference is very significant since both english and german are my mothertounge. I learned both at the same time along with all the advantages and disadvantages. One being that my spelling in both is not that good, whilst I'm able to pronounce third languages (such as maybe french or japanese) allmost accent free. I account this to the oral 'flexibility' you gain from growing up with a german mother and a texacan father, meaning two somewhat different languages in terms of pronounciation.:-)
We will see computers becoming a cultural technique and books become rare. That is only a decade away at most, imo. Display technology needs a little more improvement an mass market capability, we need a little more tweaking in the 'human interface' dept. and shurely some optimization in power consumtpion. Then books are going to start to go away. Degrading 500 years of means of information storage from pole position to #2 or 3 within a few years is quite a breakthrough if you ask me. Gathering information and sharing distributing it amongst others is going to merge. This will also influence the way we think a great deal and maybe even the developement of the human brain.
"Physical laws change the farther you get away from one point in the universe, very much like gravity decreases with distance from an object." (Rudolf Steiner, paraphrased) Nobody can actually really tell how many particles are within a given space around Antares, since the physical laws there would be fundamentally different. That's why scientists observe stuff happening out there that can only be if there's stuff traveling faster than light. If universes are different one's as soon as there are different phyisical laws, then the next "universe" would be kinda just outside the trajectory of pluto or so. And: To my impression evidence that physical laws change over the course of time is also gathering. And these theorys aren't that new either. Some of them are almost a hundred years old. The dark-matter theory for instance is somewhat consitent with large portions of the ether theory at the beging of the 20th century.
Since this guy seems to be violating every aspect of copyright we have a law for, I see no need what so ever in using the DMCA to go after him. Normal copyright law is absolutely and fully efficient to get him by the balls. Ask a lawyer about the details. I could imagine that a non-profit NGO like maybe the FSF could provide a fair amount of 'free' legal advice on how to deal with this.
They've said it before and they say it here: They plan for Quanta to be the best webdev app under the sun, which means they have to compete with one of the best commercial apps out there: Macromedias Dreamweaver. Other than the usual BS about Gimp being a PS killer (utter nonsense) I think it's actually doable to eventually dethrone DW as king of webeditors. I see no way DW can go any further than now without getting hideously bloated. And if Macromedia doesn't manage to get into detailing DW and rid it of anoyances and bugs but instead going on pressing it with their acquired Cold Fusion crap (which is somewhat likely) I see a bright future for Quanta. But then again there's a long way ahead of them. I use them both and DW still is lightyears ahead.
Wrong. Lot's of other OS/2 bullshitting around here too.
OS/2 was ruled out 'cause it was extremely picky in terms of hardware. That was at a time where market was being flooded with the cheapo RAM, CPUs (Cyrix was ahead of Intel too, remeber?), boards 'n stuff and people wouldn't yet make the difference between a crappy piece of RAM and the quality stuff. Especially the guys at the screwm-together (and up) PC shops that were popping up left right and center at the time.
Win95 took it all, and any n00b could set it up on cheapo rubbish HW with no sweat. Not with OS/2. Bad RAM? No install, sorry. The standard for testing for buggy RAM was (and often still is!) "Try installing Warp. If it works, your RAM is a-ok."
That's what got Warp go belly up. Bad marketing was just the toping.
This is the way to go for eyecandy, using the Hardware, which lies unused when in a 2D session. I've been waiting for something like this quite some time now. Good thing it's here now. But there's still work to do. Note that the windows are translucent all across, borders and all.
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The colors of this site definitly reduce my productivity. And make my vision go all blurry. And leave a faint headache behing the eyes.
Perl is executable line-noise.
That kinda sums it up. If you have no problem with the somewhat bizar syntax of Perl you're in. Perl is powerfull and present on allmost anything that runs even the faintest resemblence of Posix. It' ancient and so are it's homegrown semantics. If you know Unix well, take Perl. You'll feel right at home. You'll have to add AxKit, Petal (the Perl rippoff of Zope's TAL) or some other stuff to make it practically usable for larger webstuff and it will probably be slower than PHP, but therefore it's a very universal PL.
PHP on the other hand is the worlds prime dynamic web content language because it's built for, would've you guessed?: dynamic web content.
It's a subset of the large families of SSI-technologies (server-side include) like ASP (don't!), JSP (ok if you're running java), ColdFusion (don't!) and the likes. It's fast, has a bazillion readymade free products ready and beats the living crap out of Perl when it comes to developing dynamic web content. PHP projects make up the lions share of anything serious on the web. You don't need to set up Petal or AxKit/XML or whatnot to get a descent template-engine (as you'd have to with perl) but therefor it gets unpratical when you want to use it for something else then dynamic web stuff. Allthough there's a PHP-GTK lib available that let's you make 'real' apps too.
If you're mainly into dynamic web stuff take PHP. If you emphasise on Unix/Linux admining and scripting take Perl.
And take a look at Python and Zope beforehand - those are *my* favourites.
His last line gave me the chills. He said "Hey Linux guy: 'All your base are belong to us'."
Bwuaaaahahahahahaa!!!!!
I'd have said: "You gotta work on your grammar, Mr. Mickeysoft."
It may seem like some carefully planned move but I just presume it's some sideeffect of MS thrashing about to gain a foothold in a rapidly changing SW market. The don't see a safe and solid foundry in the non-SW dept. at this very moment, so they try to keep it going as good as it has until now.
THAT'S why they're licencing from the only company who's in the buisness long enough to actually have something of worth to sell, but smaller then anything that could actually harm MS directly.
The days of inhouse-software-only companys and their big success(es) are counted and MS knows this. People will pay for configurations 5 years from now - they won't pay big money for Software anymore. Remember the turmoil caused by the PC-architecture after it was out for a few years? Nearly everything else in the mass marktet of small computers was deader than a doornail soon afterwards.
MiniTel was standard in France when a few non-french were still fiddling about with the C64 and 4 Mailboxes across the atlantic. Shure that HW was rugged and not very flexible and that modem was superslow, but it was a standard.
And its acceptance was much broader than that of the Inet today. *Everybody* would use it. For chatting, billing (payment via phonebill) and offline communication via bb and the like. The boxes were small compared to todays PCs and everyone with more than 2 braincells and a little bit of common sense could operate them instantly. There were public MiniTel booths everywhere and even pubs, clubs and restaurants would have one or two. Remember, this came something like 15 years before there where Internet Cafe's.
In terms of "being online" France really was ten years ahead of time. At least.
Not only that it's a piece of M$ hardware (on Slashdot!!), it's also a exceptionally shoddy piece.
Natural Keyboards aside, the other hardware M$ has to offer - albeit somewhat better than their software - is usually overpriced and not very good.
Whatever, please use a CH Joystick or a Razer Boomslang for an Icon. I'm serious.
On my last Job (all staff laid off on Dec. 31, 2k3) I shared the office with the Senior Developer, a 40 year old with 20 years expierience in Pascal/Delphi Developement who had a University Diploma in Informatics (that's what it's called in germany, go figure...). :-) )) who new all those new goodies and he has the RL expierience. I'd pick him over any hotshot podknocker on *any* IT related project I can think of. And I'd advise anybody to do the same. 3 Days with him are more worth than 2 weeks with a team of twens with all but a handfull of coding-years each. The same would count if he were fifty or just before retirement.
He didn't know zilch 'bout OSS, Linux and the lot. I went about evangelizing him and six months later he was way ahead of me in gcc, Python, Java/Netbeans and co.
I was/am the young guy (well, sort of young (32
...if that Font AA stuff he's telling about is true. I have never seen consitant/existing font-AA across the desktop (Motif/QT/GTK/whatever/etc.) on Linux.
If they managed to untangle the font config and renderlib mess that would be a good thing indeed.
I never knew about this one. This finally looks like some serious reference grade quality audio app in the OSS dept. Cinelerra, Gimp, Sodipodi and now this. It's another patch closing a wide gap in open source and it seems a damn good one.
I'm more the 3D guy rather than a sound fiddler and helped buy Blender (www.blender.org) free, but this is so cool I'll think I'll donate a little here too.
If you've got a paypal account allready, spare an Euro, Dollar or two, it's a good deed for the day.
Woooops! Sorry!
That's the first time that happens to me. Gues it's those cool 'zillatabs that got me confused.
I never knew about this one. This finally looks like some serious reference grade quality audio app in the OSS dept. Cinelerra, Gimp, Sodipodi and now this. It's another patch closing a wide gap in open source and it seems a damn good one.
I'm more the 3D guy rather than a sound fiddler and helped buy Blender (www.blender.org) free, but this is so cool I'll think I'll donate a little here too.
If you've got a paypal account allready, spare an Euro, Dollar or two, it's a good deed for the day.
Cyanide as a way of preventing SARS.
but how about...I just give you the finger and you quit pestering me, since it has no use anyway. Because I'm typing this from across the atlantic which is way beyond your jurisdiction, Mr. Smith.
...All sorts of problems with it. Random lockups, HAL errors, etc. ...
Would those 'HAL errors' you mention be him not opening the pod-bay doors, chucking your comrades into solar orbit or is he just going on your nerves with nursery rymes whenever he's got a memory leak?
I followed a diskussion recently in which a guy who should know (ITK Engineer) said that all this FSB hype is bogus since the real clock speed can't go over 150Mhz. We all now that true higher speed is achieved by a kind of 'frequenzy modulation' of the real lower clock speeds but I really would like to know if a 2000Mhz P4 with 400 Mhz FSB really is 4 times faster than a Celeron 500 Mhz with 100Mhz FSB.
What's the reality behing all this system clock craze?
In germany we pronounce it "Suse". Haha.
:-)
Ok, so the first part sounds like "Sue" or "Soo" with a sharp "S" - something like the first sylable in "soup" (like chicken).
The second part is "suh" or "ze", like the last sylable in "nose" (sphinx) or "hose" (gardening).
Note that in german you can read pronounciation even if you have never heard the word before. German pupils can usually read - if not very fluently - after 3 months in school!
I wonder if a semi-unification of writing and speech, like unifying the writing of sylables (something like "nite" instead of "night") would help the iliteracy problem in the US in any way.
To me personally the difference is very significant since both english and german are my mothertounge. I learned both at the same time along with all the advantages and disadvantages. One being that my spelling in both is not that good, whilst I'm able to pronounce third languages (such as maybe french or japanese) allmost accent free. I account this to the oral 'flexibility' you gain from growing up with a german mother and a texacan father, meaning two somewhat different languages in terms of pronounciation.
Suckage is bad! Give the gaming site a redesign. Puuleeze!
...they're all over the place! Really nasty alien parasites mutating our cops! :-)))
That's what I wrote, no?
Ah, well, forget it....
We will see computers becoming a cultural technique and books become rare. That is only a decade away at most, imo. Display technology needs a little more improvement an mass market capability, we need a little more tweaking in the 'human interface' dept. and shurely some optimization in power consumtpion.
Then books are going to start to go away. Degrading 500 years of means of information storage from pole position to #2 or 3 within a few years is quite a breakthrough if you ask me.
Gathering information and sharing distributing it amongst others is going to merge. This will also influence the way we think a great deal and maybe even the developement of the human brain.
"Physical laws change the farther you get away from one point in the universe, very much like gravity decreases with distance from an object." (Rudolf Steiner, paraphrased)
Nobody can actually really tell how many particles are within a given space around Antares, since the physical laws there would be fundamentally different.
That's why scientists observe stuff happening out there that can only be if there's stuff traveling faster than light.
If universes are different one's as soon as there are different phyisical laws, then the next "universe" would be kinda just outside the trajectory of pluto or so.
And: To my impression evidence that physical laws change over the course of time is also gathering. And these theorys aren't that new either. Some of them are almost a hundred years old. The dark-matter theory for instance is somewhat consitent with large portions of the ether theory at the beging of the 20th century.
Since this guy seems to be violating every aspect of copyright we have a law for, I see no need what so ever in using the DMCA to go after him.
Normal copyright law is absolutely and fully efficient to get him by the balls.
Ask a lawyer about the details. I could imagine that a non-profit NGO like maybe the FSF could provide a fair amount of 'free' legal advice on how to deal with this.
They've said it before and they say it here: They plan for Quanta to be the best webdev app under the sun, which means they have to compete with one of the best commercial apps out there: Macromedias Dreamweaver.
Other than the usual BS about Gimp being a PS killer (utter nonsense) I think it's actually doable to eventually dethrone DW as king of webeditors. I see no way DW can go any further than now without getting hideously bloated. And if Macromedia doesn't manage to get into detailing DW and rid it of anoyances and bugs but instead going on pressing it with their acquired Cold Fusion crap (which is somewhat likely) I see a bright future for Quanta. But then again there's a long way ahead of them. I use them both and DW still is lightyears ahead.
At that rate it would be, mmmm, let's see ...
another 10 years until final release?
No?
Whatever, good luck anyway.
OS/2 only lost because they didnt try.
Wrong.
Lot's of other OS/2 bullshitting around here too.
OS/2 was ruled out 'cause it was extremely picky in terms of hardware. That was at a time where market was being flooded with the cheapo RAM, CPUs (Cyrix was ahead of Intel too, remeber?), boards 'n stuff and people wouldn't yet make the difference between a crappy piece of RAM and the quality stuff. Especially the guys at the screwm-together (and up) PC shops that were popping up left right and center at the time.
Win95 took it all, and any n00b could set it up on cheapo rubbish HW with no sweat. Not with OS/2. Bad RAM? No install, sorry. The standard for testing for buggy RAM was (and often still is!) "Try installing Warp. If it works, your RAM is a-ok."
That's what got Warp go belly up. Bad marketing was just the toping.
This is the way to go for eyecandy, using the Hardware, which lies unused when in a 2D session. I've been waiting for something like this quite some time now. Good thing it's here now.
But there's still work to do. Note that the windows are translucent all across, borders and all.