If NY had been papered with *Linux* butterflies, we'd be applauding.
Whether or not it's imitative, this is a brilliant bit of marketing. They're getting millions of dollars worth of free press, risking only tiny fines.
I doubt the sidewalk butterflies are particularly dangerous to anyone--even wheelchair users. Given the real hazards of New York living, indignant city officials should probably find something more productive to angst about.
I'd never subscribe M$N or use Window$ on my own machines, but credit where it's due. Effective marketing.
So where will this end? What will Google be forced to remove next? What will be left of ANY website after it's whittled down each nation's pet peeves?
As an aside, I think it's pretty bizzare to censor "anti-abortion" (self-identified "pro-life") sites. Yeah, there are some crazies out there. But most anti-abortion sites I've seen are just people peacefully expressing their opinions.
I'd like to see international law exempting search engines from this sort of censorship.
> 200,000 customers? In a major metropolitan area, like New York City, one radio station can have that many listeners. It sounds like a lot, but it isn't.
Stations think of their audience in the number of folks estimated to listen in a week. Even in a smaller market (such as the one in which I work), most of the top tier stations approach 100,000 persons a week.
I bet that in the end, one sat service will buy the other. And I expect it will survive, whn all is said and done. They rolled out just as the economy went crunch.
> Where does it say "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed... nor any data collected on the use of these arms?"
Ah, but you're forgetting the definition of "Conservatism." It's a Constructionist interpretation of the US Constitution--so long as it suits one's own interests, or those of your campaign contributors. THEN we find implied rights.;-)
> My biggest complaint with Chimera is the distinct lack of preferences that can be diddled within the app... I'm sure I could find the right prefs file, figure out what keys need to be set with what values, etc., but Chimera REALLY needs to add in a more robust Preferences panel than it currently has.
Yeah, I'd agree. Using the hacked OS X build of Phoenix was kind of nice--it's sooo configurable in comparison to Chimera. I really like the way it handles popups, and the extensions are very cool. I appreciate having some preferences right there on the toolbar. Not everyone will, but that's the beauty of Open Source. We get to choose.:-)
I agree that Chimera ("Navigator," officially) is a terrific Mozilla browser for OS X, but we have a lot of choices these days.
Chimera is still pretty sparse on features. I use the nightlies, and run into a fair number of buggy builds. But it's quick, and sure looks like an OS X app. I use it far more than anything else.
KevinG, the guy who did the Pinstripe skin for Mozilla, was nice enough to compile Phoenix 0.3 for OS X. It's just an experiment, not part of the regular project. But damn if it doesn't work, and it has some very cool features. Even *more* OS X choices:
http://www.kmgerich.com/misc.html
This OS X build introduced me to Phoenix, which is now running on my Linux box. Kevin's page says his OS X build requires Jaguar, but I'm using it with 10.1.5 just fine.
Mozilla 1.2b feels very stable on OS X. It's not as fast as Chimera, nor is it as consistent with the Mac human interface standards. But it doesn't suck, and some users like working from within a suite. I know plenty of OS X guys who are more comfortable with Mozilla's mail than Mail.app. It's a matter of preference.
To me, Netscape 7.0 is heavy and gaudy. It has a spellcheck app, however, and isn't a bad choice for those who rely on the Netscape/Mozilla suite for email.
As for Omniweb, it's a great browser. A few more features than Chimera in its current state of development, though don't think it renders as well. Speed is a toss-up.
Every OS X user's needs are different. It's a great time to explore the platform, however. There's a browser for everyone. Run whatever you prefer, and support the community which surrounds it.
Thanks to all the developers who make my online experience more enjoyable. Your work isn't taken for granted.
You know, I've run OS X since 10.0 on an older G3. No, it isn't as fast on this laptop as OS 9 or as spry as Linux on my Dell desktop. But it's plenty useable.
I bet OS X on a G4 is more pleasant, but damn near any modern Mac hardware will do. Just have some RAM available.
> I'm wondering if this is a sign that MS might be planning on dropping support for OS X?
You know, I don't think so. If I'm M$, I'm looking out five or ten years and seeing Mac at no more than 20% of market share. That would be a huge increase from its current position--but what do I care? I'm still the big gorilla, and if I market smart, substantial numbers of Mac users are also Office customers. Makes no never mind to me if I take their money for an OS license or applications, and it sure keeps DOJ off my ass.
What DOES give me cold sweats at night is the number of governments migrating to Linux. I know the Linux on the Desktop obit has been written a million times, but the likes of Germany, China, and India flirting with the Penguin mean BIG customers going away forever. And I have no Linux applications to sell them.
So I swallow my Redmond pride, try to ignore Apple's cheeky "Switch" ads, and cozy up to Mac OS X. It's converting a lot of Linux folks, and I'm already on the ground with great OS X products. Every Mac user is one less Linux desktop, and one more opportunity to make money.
"You're killing us, Steve," I chuckle when I see another quirky Switcher in my favorite TV show. Then I smile, and light up a really nice cigar. God bless Ellen Feiss.
> But then again, the Apple switch ads don't offer a single reason to use a Mac that WinXP doesn't have. You can burn cds and dvds, which you can do on WinXP. You can make movies, whihc you can do on WinXP.
You're right. But the Apple ads primarily tout ease of use, not feature sets.
Good to see Apple back out on the cutting edge, where it belongs. 64-bit PPC architecture with marketable clock speed and OS X 10.2: holy smokes! Get to the back of the bus, Microsoft. Take your Crayola XP desktop with you.
I assume one of the Linux PPC distros will be on board with the new chip, once it's on the street. Fun for the whole family.
...legal counsel for America Online today served the entire community of Paoli, Indiana, with a collective Cease and Desist.
Paoli is the home of Paoli Peaks, a popular ski resort, which in 2002 celebrates 25 years of "thrills, chills, and just plain fun on the snow!"
AOL attorney Les Humor says the media conglomorate's suit was unavoidable.
"Paoli clearly is attempting to trade on goodwill associated with the AOL brand by their continued and sequential use of the letters A, O, and L."
The area is named after the historic General Paoli Tavern, which stood nearby in the late 18th century.
"Really, the fact that the Paoli name goes back over two hundred years isn't germane to my client's case," explained Humor. "I mean--couldn't they call the place Cold Hills or something? Of course they could."
Courts sometimes find in favor of a trademark holder when another entity attempts to market related goods or services under a similar name. It must be demonstrated that the new product might cause confusion or be mistaken for the trademarked product.
"That's the real kicker," said Humor. "Those skiers are going downhill pretty fast, and so is our stock."
AOL is an AOL Time Warner company. AOL: so easy to abuse, no wonder it's number one!
Hell, a lot of CDs I own aren't "CD quality" (whatever that might be).
You'll probably hear most stations refer to this as "digital quality," anyway. Broadcasters won't wanna remind listeners that there's a CD player in front of them.
> Chimera was also a very old browser for X11, go look it up:)
Which is why Chimera (the Mozilla OS X Chimera) is known as "Navigator" these days. Not that anybody calls it anything other than Chimera.
The Chimera/Navigator folks have been kicking around ideas for a new name in recent weeks. There's also plenty of rumor-mongering that Apple might be toying with the idea of a Mac-branded browser based on Chimera. Bet on it being called iSurf or something.;-)
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If NY had been papered with *Linux* butterflies, we'd be applauding.
Whether or not it's imitative, this is a brilliant bit of marketing. They're getting millions of dollars worth of free press, risking only tiny fines.
I doubt the sidewalk butterflies are particularly dangerous to anyone--even wheelchair users. Given the real hazards of New York living, indignant city officials should probably find something more productive to angst about.
I'd never subscribe M$N or use Window$ on my own machines, but credit where it's due. Effective marketing.
So where will this end? What will Google be forced to remove next? What will be left of ANY website after it's whittled down each nation's pet peeves?
As an aside, I think it's pretty bizzare to censor "anti-abortion" (self-identified "pro-life") sites. Yeah, there are some crazies out there. But most anti-abortion sites I've seen are just people peacefully expressing their opinions.
I'd like to see international law exempting search engines from this sort of censorship.
> 200,000 customers? In a major metropolitan area, like New York City, one radio station can have that many listeners. It sounds like a lot, but it isn't.
Stations think of their audience in the number of folks estimated to listen in a week. Even in a smaller market (such as the one in which I work), most of the top tier stations approach 100,000 persons a week.
I bet that in the end, one sat service will buy the other. And I expect it will survive, whn all is said and done. They rolled out just as the economy went crunch.
...now Jerry Falwell has a travel map that's in-tune with his political views.
> Where does it say "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed... nor any data collected on the use of these arms?"
;-)
Ah, but you're forgetting the definition of "Conservatism." It's a Constructionist interpretation of the US Constitution--so long as it suits one's own interests, or those of your campaign contributors. THEN we find implied rights.
> My biggest complaint with Chimera is the distinct lack of preferences that can be diddled within the app... I'm sure I could find the right prefs file, figure out what keys need to be set with what values, etc., but Chimera REALLY needs to add in a more robust Preferences panel than it currently has.
:-)
Yeah, I'd agree. Using the hacked OS X build of Phoenix was kind of nice--it's sooo configurable in comparison to Chimera. I really like the way it handles popups, and the extensions are very cool. I appreciate having some preferences right there on the toolbar. Not everyone will, but that's the beauty of Open Source. We get to choose.
I agree that Chimera ("Navigator," officially) is a terrific Mozilla browser for OS X, but we have a lot of choices these days.
Chimera is still pretty sparse on features. I use the nightlies, and run into a fair number of buggy builds. But it's quick, and sure looks like an OS X app. I use it far more than anything else.
KevinG, the guy who did the Pinstripe skin for Mozilla, was nice enough to compile Phoenix 0.3 for OS X. It's just an experiment, not part of the regular project. But damn if it doesn't work, and it has some very cool features. Even *more* OS X choices:
http://www.kmgerich.com/misc.html
This OS X build introduced me to Phoenix, which is now running on my Linux box. Kevin's page says his OS X build requires Jaguar, but I'm using it with 10.1.5 just fine.
Mozilla 1.2b feels very stable on OS X. It's not as fast as Chimera, nor is it as consistent with the Mac human interface standards. But it doesn't suck, and some users like working from within a suite. I know plenty of OS X guys who are more comfortable with Mozilla's mail than Mail.app. It's a matter of preference.
To me, Netscape 7.0 is heavy and gaudy. It has a spellcheck app, however, and isn't a bad choice for those who rely on the Netscape/Mozilla suite for email.
As for Omniweb, it's a great browser. A few more features than Chimera in its current state of development, though don't think it renders as well. Speed is a toss-up.
Every OS X user's needs are different. It's a great time to explore the platform, however. There's a browser for everyone. Run whatever you prefer, and support the community which surrounds it.
Thanks to all the developers who make my online experience more enjoyable. Your work isn't taken for granted.
You know, I've run OS X since 10.0 on an older G3. No, it isn't as fast on this laptop as OS 9 or as spry as Linux on my Dell desktop. But it's plenty useable.
I bet OS X on a G4 is more pleasant, but damn near any modern Mac hardware will do. Just have some RAM available.
> I'm wondering if this is a sign that MS might be planning on dropping support for OS X?
You know, I don't think so. If I'm M$, I'm looking out five or ten years and seeing Mac at no more than 20% of market share. That would be a huge increase from its current position--but what do I care? I'm still the big gorilla, and if I market smart, substantial numbers of Mac users are also Office customers. Makes no never mind to me if I take their money for an OS license or applications, and it sure keeps DOJ off my ass.
What DOES give me cold sweats at night is the number of governments migrating to Linux. I know the Linux on the Desktop obit has been written a million times, but the likes of Germany, China, and India flirting with the Penguin mean BIG customers going away forever. And I have no Linux applications to sell them.
So I swallow my Redmond pride, try to ignore Apple's cheeky "Switch" ads, and cozy up to Mac OS X. It's converting a lot of Linux folks, and I'm already on the ground with great OS X products. Every Mac user is one less Linux desktop, and one more opportunity to make money.
"You're killing us, Steve," I chuckle when I see another quirky Switcher in my favorite TV show. Then I smile, and light up a really nice cigar. God bless Ellen Feiss.
> But then again, the Apple switch ads don't offer a single reason to use a Mac that WinXP doesn't have. You can burn cds and dvds, which you can do on WinXP. You can make movies, whihc you can do on WinXP.
You're right. But the Apple ads primarily tout ease of use, not feature sets.
If it were possible to mod you to a "10," I would.
Good to see Apple back out on the cutting edge, where it belongs. 64-bit PPC architecture with marketable clock speed and OS X 10.2: holy smokes! Get to the back of the bus, Microsoft. Take your Crayola XP desktop with you.
I assume one of the Linux PPC distros will be on board with the new chip, once it's on the street. Fun for the whole family.
...legal counsel for America Online today served the entire community of Paoli, Indiana, with a collective Cease and Desist.
Paoli is the home of Paoli Peaks, a popular ski resort, which in 2002 celebrates 25 years of
"thrills, chills, and just plain fun on the snow!"
AOL attorney Les Humor says the media conglomorate's suit was unavoidable.
"Paoli clearly is attempting to trade on goodwill associated with the AOL brand by their continued and sequential use of the letters A, O, and L."
The area is named after the historic General Paoli Tavern, which stood nearby in the late 18th century.
"Really, the fact that the Paoli name goes back over two hundred years isn't germane to my client's case," explained Humor. "I mean--couldn't they call the place Cold Hills or something? Of course they could."
Courts sometimes find in favor of a trademark holder when another entity attempts to market related goods or services under a similar name. It must be demonstrated that the new product might cause confusion or be mistaken for the trademarked product.
"That's the real kicker," said Humor. "Those skiers are going downhill pretty fast, and so is our stock."
AOL is an AOL Time Warner company. AOL: so easy to abuse, no wonder it's number one!
Hell, a lot of CDs I own aren't "CD quality" (whatever that might be).
You'll probably hear most stations refer to this as "digital quality," anyway. Broadcasters won't wanna remind listeners that there's a CD player in front of them.
I understand the same Chinese company is developing a mobile-sized chip for PDAs and imbedded apps called the Shrimp Chip.
> And what's on shortwave that isn't streamed like the BBC?
Among other things, Amateur Radio Service. It might be fun to pair this card with a tiny PSK-31 transmitter. Digital modes are a lot of fun.
> Chimera was also a very old browser for X11, go look it up :)
;-)
Which is why Chimera (the Mozilla OS X Chimera) is known as "Navigator" these days. Not that anybody calls it anything other than Chimera.
The Chimera/Navigator folks have been kicking around ideas for a new name in recent weeks. There's also plenty of rumor-mongering that Apple might be toying with the idea of a Mac-branded browser based on Chimera. Bet on it being called iSurf or something.
> With the three most popular e-mail clients in the world (Mozilla Mail, KMail and Evolution) all supporting encryption
;-)
I hear some folks are using Outlook and Outlook Express, too.
1. Sue your mom
2. Insult women and minorities in your songs.
3. Threaten to punch Moby. Call him a "girl."
I hear that works.
Because it's one more than six, you see. It must be better.
"Our amplifiers go up to eleven..."
All users care about is running apps. Please repeat the following one million times until it bleeds away any latent OS fetishism:
Anything Red Hat does to make it easier to install and run applications isn't "dumming it down." It's getting a clue.
...the great India/Pakistan space race. Which Second World nation will get a man on the moon second? Only Allah/Vishnu knows!
Note /. username.
You know, if it were Microsoft breaking Java. we'd scream bloody murder.
Oh: they did? Never mind...
My Playstation is jealous. Now it wants its own line, too. All the other set-top appliances have one.