The Constitution, and law itself in all its forms, are artifacts of consensus. If enough people (with enough power/money/etc.) don't choose to follow them, they become irrelevant.
Of course, that's pretty unlikely to happen... but apparently the Soviet Union had a wonderful constitution, which promised many more human rights than the American one ever has. Fat lot of good it did them.:)
We were better informed on the 1963 coup in Baghdad than on any other major event or change of government that took place in the whole region in those years. from Frontline.
Most of the serious terrorists these days (Bin Laden et al) want Americans out of the Middle East.
I'd say that's a long term goal for the bin Laden clique. What they want at the moment is the Islamic right united against a common enemy, in order to destabilise the House of Saud up until King Fahd dies, and give the fundamentalists a bigger say in politics there after that point.
However, SCO aren't (currently) suing for breach of copyright. They are suing IBM for breaking their SCO Unix license by revealing trade secrets.
They've muddied the waters by sending out their C&D to Linux customers, but they would have to prove the copyright breach pretty convincingly in the IBM case to get settlements from other companies -- and judges are normally very reluctant to decide issues outside the merits of the case at hand (although, of course, IANAL).
There's always the chance that, if they manage to win this case, they'd be feeling pretty pumped, and take on IBM or another company in a wider-ranging suit which could cause the sorts of contamination problems you describe.
Before accepting GNU tools for use in the business, managers are now going to be asking, "how can we be certain that this code is legit?"
This is a question that all business users of code (open and closed) should be asking -- as MSSQL users found out when their use of the product was considered contributory infringement in the patent case Microsoft lost a little while ago. If the company selling you the product/service can't indemnify you from things like this, you need to be prepared for that contingency yourself.
Quick! Rush to the patent office, or Amazon might beat you to it...
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Driveoffs are a regular occurance. Do gas stations respond by placing guards around each pump? Nope. Who'd go to a gas station with security procedures and guards at every corner? Gas stations don't do this (nor do oil companies require it) because they are a service industry. Make the customer glad to shop there.
A growing number of petrol stations here are requiring payment first, then they allow the pump to dispense only that much...
Before there was something like the Doom and Quake era, the game developers just *had* to be creative, if they wanted to sell anything.... or they had to license the right movie for the Commodore 64 game. There was a lot of crap 'back in the day' as well, and just as many people prepared to plonk down their hard-earned money for it.
You need to read Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. It illustrates at great length and in very amusing fashion the fact that if you set out to find anything, anything at all, you'll eventually convince yourself that you have found it.
In other words, I could suggest a 3 stories rule or 10 stories rule that would work just as well; the magic happens in your mind, not in the original "insight". (One of the points of the book being that this fact (the mind creates (parts of) its own reality) is the basis for a lot of the occult and alchemical secrets in history...).
From Wikipedia, and elsewhere if you Google about for it:
The name "Aspirin" is still a trademark in some countries over a hundred years since its discovery. However, Bayer lost the trademark in the United States and some other countries as part of World War I reparations.
Sounds like he thinks the Linux community operates no different than a company.
When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
Sorry to descend to cliche, but obviously Darl is too caught up in his own model of the world to admit the existence and success of another model that works on different principles.
Their argument for this claim will be "we didn't distribute it; we had no knowledge."
I'm sure they must have had their lawyers check the GPL over pretty carefully at times; this is something that will work against their claim that they had "no knowledge" of the effects of distributing their IP under the license.
There's a bit of a difference between hacking a website and a company willingly and knowingly distributing software for years, isn't there?
What's that about "without your express wishes"? They released the source code -- if it contains their trade secrets, whoever was at fault originally was let off the hook at that point. If they didn't want to do that, they should have considered their position more carefully before trying to cash in on the Linux hype.
Yeah, I remembered the Taiwan one but couldn't find a description of it easily, so left it out.:)
It always seemed to be the totalitarian governments that used 'Democratic' in their names, maybe defensively...
I seem to recall that the Korean War never actually ended -- North and South are still at war, but in a state of semi-permanent ceasefire. Is this still the case?
There seems to be a journalistic convention these days that referring to 'Korea' alone means South Korea. In fact, the country's official name according to the CIA World Factbook is 'Republic of Korea' -- one way of asserting dmoinance over the whole peninsula, I guess.
My statement wasn't intended to mean that I believe that this has happened, just that this is what SCO will allege.
I'd imagine there are a number of people working on the Linux kernel who *have* read the AT&T source code and would raise a stink if they saw parts of it being incorporated. Of course, code could still sneak in, as no-one is perfect...
I agree with your point on portability; especially when programming parts of the OS that must work in the same way as the Unices, a certain amount of structural similarity is likely.
(It's unlikely that it has happened in this case, but another interesting possibility is contamination through other free-software projects -- for example, what if parts of the *BSDs were found to have been copied from proprietary code, and used in Linux unawares? I imagine the code would have to be removed, but is inadvertent IP infringement on a par with receiving stolen property?)
Regarding the solution, SCO are angling for a buyout or payout, and IBM have some pretty good lawyers; they should do whatever is cheapest for them (and thus best for their shareholders). I'd prefer that that involved fighting and winning, as I think the lawsuit is stupid.:)
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Q. How do you get 0.7 senators?
A. I'm not entirely sure, but I assume it would involve only paying 70% of the going rate.
Hey, I can estimate the value of all of those as well. Getting my estimation anywhere near the correct amounts is another matter, of course...
The Constitution, and law itself in all its forms, are artifacts of consensus. If enough people (with enough power/money/etc.) don't choose to follow them, they become irrelevant.
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Of course, that's pretty unlikely to happen... but apparently the Soviet Union had a wonderful constitution, which promised many more human rights than the American one ever has. Fat lot of good it did them.
Iraq was not at all stable, if it was the Bath party would not have taken power.
BTW, it's usually rendered Ba'ath in English, not "Bath".
Really?
A lot of people seem to think they had some help.
An interesting quote...
We were better informed on the 1963 coup in Baghdad than on any other major event or change of government that took place in the whole region in those years. from
Frontline.
Most of the serious terrorists these days (Bin Laden et al) want Americans out of the Middle East.
I'd say that's a long term goal for the bin Laden clique. What they want at the moment is the Islamic right united against a common enemy, in order to destabilise the House of Saud up until King Fahd dies, and give the fundamentalists a bigger say in politics there after that point.
However, SCO aren't (currently) suing for breach of copyright. They are suing IBM for breaking their SCO Unix license by revealing trade secrets.
They've muddied the waters by sending out their C&D to Linux customers, but they would have to prove the copyright breach pretty convincingly in the IBM case to get settlements from other companies -- and judges are normally very reluctant to decide issues outside the merits of the case at hand (although, of course, IANAL).
There's always the chance that, if they manage to win this case, they'd be feeling pretty pumped, and take on IBM or another company in a wider-ranging suit which could cause the sorts of contamination problems you describe.
Before accepting GNU tools for use in the business, managers are now going to be asking, "how can we be certain that this code is legit?"
This is a question that all business users of code (open and closed) should be asking -- as MSSQL users found out when their use of the product was considered contributory infringement in the patent case Microsoft lost a little while ago. If the company selling you the product/service can't indemnify you from things like this, you need to be prepared for that contingency yourself.
Ah, Amiga Kickstart 1.3. Gotta love it. :)
"Did you pay for that?"
"No, I run Windows."
Probably correct for a large number of Windows users -- whether because of piracy or because it's a workplace version.
Quick! Rush to the patent office, or Amazon might beat you to it...
Driveoffs are a regular occurance. Do gas stations respond by placing guards around each pump? Nope. Who'd go to a gas station with security procedures and guards at every corner? Gas stations don't do this (nor do oil companies require it) because they are a service industry. Make the customer glad to shop there.
A growing number of petrol stations here are requiring payment first, then they allow the pump to dispense only that much...
As soon as they could they built a case for it an displayed and Oscar shortly after Toy Story.
But not for Tin Toy?
So his statement has no more weight than Prince Philip saying modern English Architecture sucks
Or, as Phil would put it,
"Looks like it was put in by an Indian."
... or maybe Nullsoft would like people who are going to make money from it to approach them for a commercial license.
I don't see anything wrong with that -- they're a business, after all.
Huh? Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were practically two parts of the same book, especially given that DM was quite short.
God Emperor of Dune worked well to tie off the themes raised in the first Dune book -- he should have left it after that.
Before there was something like the Doom and Quake era, the game developers just *had* to be creative, if they wanted to sell anything. ... or they had to license the right movie for the Commodore 64 game. There was a lot of crap 'back in the day' as well, and just as many people prepared to plonk down their hard-earned money for it.
You need to read Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. It illustrates at great length and in very amusing fashion the fact that if you set out to find anything, anything at all, you'll eventually convince yourself that you have found it.
In other words, I could suggest a 3 stories rule or 10 stories rule that would work just as well; the magic happens in your mind, not in the original "insight". (One of the points of the book being that this fact (the mind creates (parts of) its own reality) is the basis for a lot of the occult and alchemical secrets in history...).
Sounds like he thinks the Linux community operates no different than a company.
When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
Sorry to descend to cliche, but obviously Darl is too caught up in his own model of the world to admit the existence and success of another model that works on different principles.
Their argument for this claim will be "we didn't distribute it; we had no knowledge."
I'm sure they must have had their lawyers check the GPL over pretty carefully at times; this is something that will work against their claim that they had "no knowledge" of the effects of distributing their IP under the license.
There's a bit of a difference between hacking a website and a company willingly and knowingly distributing software for years, isn't there?
What's that about "without your express wishes"? They released the source code -- if it contains their trade secrets, whoever was at fault originally was let off the hook at that point. If they didn't want to do that, they should have considered their position more carefully before trying to cash in on the Linux hype.
I can hear that wacky calliope music already :)
Dear Consumer,
You have violated Capitalist Orthodoxy #93271. Report to the nearest Re-education Centre for re-processing.
That is all.
Yeah, I remembered the Taiwan one but couldn't find a description of it easily, so left it out. :)
It always seemed to be the totalitarian governments that used 'Democratic' in their names, maybe defensively...
I seem to recall that the Korean War never actually ended -- North and South are still at war, but in a state of semi-permanent ceasefire. Is this still the case?
There seems to be a journalistic convention these days that referring to 'Korea' alone means South Korea. In fact, the country's official name according to the CIA World Factbook is 'Republic of Korea' -- one way of asserting dmoinance over the whole peninsula, I guess.
My statement wasn't intended to mean that I believe that this has happened, just that this is what SCO will allege.
:)
I'd imagine there are a number of people working on the Linux kernel who *have* read the AT&T source code and would raise a stink if they saw parts of it being incorporated. Of course, code could still sneak in, as no-one is perfect...
I agree with your point on portability; especially when programming parts of the OS that must work in the same way as the Unices, a certain amount of structural similarity is likely.
(It's unlikely that it has happened in this case, but another interesting possibility is contamination through other free-software projects -- for example, what if parts of the *BSDs were found to have been copied from proprietary code, and used in Linux unawares? I imagine the code would have to be removed, but is inadvertent IP infringement on a par with receiving stolen property?)
Regarding the solution, SCO are angling for a buyout or payout, and IBM have some pretty good lawyers; they should do whatever is cheapest for them (and thus best for their shareholders). I'd prefer that that involved fighting and winning, as I think the lawsuit is stupid.
so ? where does the leak (if any) come from except from SCO itself ?!
From source licensees of AT&T Unix, I would imagine.