If you're a consultant and are being pimped out through a consulting firm then the no-hire contract is extremely standard.
Consultants cost a company a lot of money. Several times what they would normally pay for a regular employee so if they really like a consultant its a snap that they would want to hire them away from the consulting firm. So the no-hire policy is to keep consultant from being poached by the client. Which makes sense... otherwise the consultant stable basically becomes an expensive temp to perm service.
Now if you're an employee of a company that's quite different. You can quit and work for someone else. Its your right to practice free trade and hold employment at will. So as a former employee you have the right to practice your trade on your side. For example if I quit my current job and I had a non-complete I probably would get in trouble if I went to work for one of our major clients (because it would appear that I was paid to leave and work for them) or a direct compeditor producting the same product.
Depends. use common sense and remember that they can only forbid you from doing something pretty specific. They can't make you leave the industry.
I'm 25 and I've been wearing a beard for the past two years because its helps make me look a little older. I work for an interactive agency in NYC so I have to pretend that I"m 30 to give our clients some level of confidence.
On the other hand, being under 20 is kinda young. Sorry, you might be a compident programmer but you are really young to be in the workplace. Deal.
I think it also depends on your posistion and who your clients are. If you're dealing with corporate clients then there's a huge problem. Corporations won't hire anyone who hasn't either had college or extensive experience so anyone you run into is probably at least in their mid 20's.
If you're working in the back room and don't deal with clients then I think its absurd. As long as you can do your job that's fine.
Still, I think the tendency of younger programmers to assume they can skip college is misguided.
Except beer does whet the appetite. Hands down a sizable chunk of at home crimes, assaults, date-rape, domestic abuse, incest and the like are done under the influence of alcohol.
If there was ever an arguement for crushing the masses the top 100 list certainly pushes to the forefront.
MICK FUCKING FOLEY's book makes its way onto the 100 most popular books of the millenium? Ayn Rand... ok... there's plenty of dips who got a jolt out of The Fountainhead. That's fine. But a bloody wrester's book is supposidly one of the 100 most popular books of the past 1000 years.
*sigh* Nothing like the stupidity of the masses to drive me farther and farther away from any remaining fragment of socialistic leanings.
But on a more serious level... how are you supposted to get an honest reading of the most popular books of the past 1000 years when there was really weren't any novels written in prose until about 400 years ago. At least in the west. Most literature was poetry until reciently.
What about Uncle Tom's Cabin? That was fabulously popular, especially if you to a little tweaking to account for literacy rates, the population and such. It sold amazingly well, and no one remembers it these days except as an insult.
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Unless you're going into a very hardcore sector of the industry (like gaming, high end applications, or the like) a CS degree will have very, very little to do with what you'll do on a day to day basis including the code you're likely to write.
My degrees are in physics and history and all I got out of the physics degree was analyitical thinking skills, problem solving, and the ability to drink 12 cups of coffee and appear calm. The history has been more useful because it broadened my interests and allowed me to date the fashionably dishevled literature majors I was always lusting after. Besides, I'm a firm believer in the liberal arts education.
If you're looking to go into enterprise computing, get a CS minor. Most schools offer minors which gives you the core courses and a few extras without most of the requirements. You'll learn how to program, get some basic algorithms, and you can spend the rest of your time going after something you really would like to study.
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Eh... I think it won't work in the US less due to the I Have A Big Penis SUV Frenzy than our geography. 120 miles won't get you jack anywhere unless you live in a city. Most of our population lives outside of highly urbanized areas which means a drive of several miles to the grocery store. Anyone who grew up or still lives in the suburbs can sympahtize (which is why I now live in NYC).
It would be great for urban traffic though. But how much of a market is there for people who live in cities and drive only short distances.
After working at a almost pure Indian company for two years I can say you're both right.
Appearently there was about 12-15 languages spoken at my former company. I only speak english. However I am an American working in America. The national language here is English. The business language is also english.
If you meet a client and can't communicate, you lost the client.
A lack of language skills that are appropriate for the country you're working is your problem, not the client or coworkers problem.
I just quit a job where it was 95% H1B visas from India (the guy who started the company is also from India but he has perm status). The CTO was a graduate from IIT which is at least as hardcore as MIT or CalTech if not more.
However I got disgusted after two years of watching people get screwed over on their salary reviews, promotions, and other benefits because they were tied to their job. They can't quit.
The greed disgusted me. They were getting people with masters degrees for cents on the dollar from what they would pay anyone else. The entire program has led to economic slavery. I won't be sorry to see the program revoked for the good of the workers.
True. This is what I do all day. The advantage of the 3 tier system is that you can prototype the code early on in the scripting language and after testing, move those algorithms to the second tier.
Its all a system of tradeoffs. The advantage of using a scripting language is rapid development and debugging at the cost of the richer functional libraries and preformance of a compiled language. Another advantage for project managers is that they can use junior programmers for the first tier and spare the attention of senior level developers on the second and third tier.
This makes planning essential. If you identify what pieces will be written on which tier, your life will be easy or a living hell. Most techniques in web application programming are found in articles. Even if you're programming in PHP, look at ASP websites as they'll often have extremely helpful article on using components, how to structure your database, caching tricks, and other information which is platform independent.
They can arrest you for posession of a pipe or bong that has been used to smoke illicit substances. THey're sold with the purpose of smoking tobacco (or other legal substances). You can whip out your brand new graphics bong in the middle of central park and light up a pipefull of American Spirit if you want to. Yeah, you'll have to answer a lot of questions but they can't do anything unless they scrape it and find traces of marijuana or hash inside.
Occassionally one of my friends used to pull out a little brass pipe and smoke pipe tobacco out of it just to be a wiseass. He was questioned but they couldn't do anything because there weren't any traces of anything naughty inside. You can posess a questionable item, unless its used in a criminal action. Then the posession of the guilty object becomes a felony (basically levied by the DA to increase the number of charges the prosecuter can try to nail you for).
Ok, so I forced my employer to buy me my plush, ergonomically correct chair, new monitor, keyboard, desk, etc.... I just redefined my home as a workplace. This brings up a lot of nagging questions. Such as, if I'm working from home on my home computer, does my company have the right to read my email or go through my drive since I'm using it for a work related purpose. I could be doing something dirty like harassing co-workers or downloading child pornography... things that could harm my employer... and they now have a vested interest since I have their code on my computer. Besides, I already told them that I consider my home a similar situation as my cubicle. If they're going to associate telecommuting in a way that defines the home office as a workplace, then that opens us up to a hell of a lot of privacy problems. Of course this is typical for IT workers since you really NEVER go home....
I got through high school by not saying anything. Then when I got to college I began to regret never saying anything. There's a certain value in speaking your mind regardless of the consequences.
However there's the catch-22.... in high school you're a minor under the control of your parents and you suffer consequences that you won't suffer as a legal adult.
I guess its a matter of deciding what you want more. To be honest and truthful, or to quietly make your way through and when you get your chance, then say something. Idealism demands that we say something but reality often tells us that being deceiptful is often the only way out.
I lie to my clients all the fucking time because they make it necessary. I don't feel good about it but I try to remember that if I had it my way things would be clean, good and honest.
Damnit, that cat is the world's first fucking Sense/Net superstar. It should be eating off fine china for the rest of its life while the masses hail it as a godamn messiah of newest revolution in entertainment. Instead it will be returned to its numbered cage and end its life at Gillette doing first hand product testing.
Is this any way to treat a pop icon?
What's the cat's name? What color is it? Can I have it?
I hope y'all remember Gibson's Tally Isham.
This cat is the world's first Isham... and we treat it in such a shabby manner.
You're in a 3rd world country but you're highly educated. Now, what's the easiest high tech industry to start with? Yup, computing. You just don't need a whole lotta infrastructure to do that.
However imagine that you need to buy software. Lets say it comes down to about $10,000 for a package that would get your business up and running. That's peanuts in the US but an absolute fortune in a 3rd world country. And MS won't scale the price down to fit in with the local market. I couldn't raise enough money if I sold both my kidneys and half my liver.
Its not so much free beer as trying to sell cars in California starting at half a million each.
WSB well adjusted? YOu have read his works I'm assuming?
Considering his imagery is very dark, disturbing, and preoccupied with madness, death, and control, it fits quite well into the themes of "gothic literature". However its modernist and not romantic so the dear old queer's prose is quite different from the most traditional writers of gothic literature.
I'm finding the slight anti-goth sentiment amusing. Considering that quite a few goths are computer professionals (where else can you stay up all night, wear what you want, delve into esoteric lore, and drink lots and lots of caffine) and I know that several of them are reading this. At the same time more than a few goths are complete pretnetious assholes.
This servers to prove that while we're very quick to denouce the mundane world of jocks and pinheads, we're just as quick to tear into each other like a pack of raving jackals.
Welcome to reality, please join the "everyone get out and push" comitte and do lend a hand.
From tales to friends on my college's Japan exchange program, you can get hookers from vending machines. Its a pre-paid calling card. You simply dial the number on the calling card, make a date, and you're set.
Same idea as any American college aged woman setting up a cam in their dorm room for a bit of extra spending money. Just taken to the logial next level.
I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to form their own judgement on this.
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Consultants cost a company a lot of money. Several times what they would normally pay for a regular employee so if they really like a consultant its a snap that they would want to hire them away from the consulting firm. So the no-hire policy is to keep consultant from being poached by the client. Which makes sense... otherwise the consultant stable basically becomes an expensive temp to perm service.
Now if you're an employee of a company that's quite different. You can quit and work for someone else. Its your right to practice free trade and hold employment at will. So as a former employee you have the right to practice your trade on your side. For example if I quit my current job and I had a non-complete I probably would get in trouble if I went to work for one of our major clients (because it would appear that I was paid to leave and work for them) or a direct compeditor producting the same product.
Depends. use common sense and remember that they can only forbid you from doing something pretty specific. They can't make you leave the industry.
On the other hand, being under 20 is kinda young. Sorry, you might be a compident programmer but you are really young to be in the workplace. Deal.
I think it also depends on your posistion and who your clients are. If you're dealing with corporate clients then there's a huge problem. Corporations won't hire anyone who hasn't either had college or extensive experience so anyone you run into is probably at least in their mid 20's.
If you're working in the back room and don't deal with clients then I think its absurd. As long as you can do your job that's fine.
Still, I think the tendency of younger programmers to assume they can skip college is misguided.
So can an abused child sue budweiser?
MICK FUCKING FOLEY's book makes its way onto the 100 most popular books of the millenium? Ayn Rand... ok... there's plenty of dips who got a jolt out of The Fountainhead. That's fine. But a bloody wrester's book is supposidly one of the 100 most popular books of the past 1000 years.
*sigh* Nothing like the stupidity of the masses to drive me farther and farther away from any remaining fragment of socialistic leanings.
But on a more serious level... how are you supposted to get an honest reading of the most popular books of the past 1000 years when there was really weren't any novels written in prose until about 400 years ago. At least in the west. Most literature was poetry until reciently.
What about Uncle Tom's Cabin? That was fabulously popular, especially if you to a little tweaking to account for literacy rates, the population and such. It sold amazingly well, and no one remembers it these days except as an insult.
Unless you're going into a very hardcore sector of the industry (like gaming, high end applications, or the like) a CS degree will have very, very little to do with what you'll do on a day to day basis including the code you're likely to write. My degrees are in physics and history and all I got out of the physics degree was analyitical thinking skills, problem solving, and the ability to drink 12 cups of coffee and appear calm. The history has been more useful because it broadened my interests and allowed me to date the fashionably dishevled literature majors I was always lusting after. Besides, I'm a firm believer in the liberal arts education. If you're looking to go into enterprise computing, get a CS minor. Most schools offer minors which gives you the core courses and a few extras without most of the requirements. You'll learn how to program, get some basic algorithms, and you can spend the rest of your time going after something you really would like to study.
It would be great for urban traffic though. But how much of a market is there for people who live in cities and drive only short distances.
Appearently there was about 12-15 languages spoken at my former company. I only speak english. However I am an American working in America. The national language here is English. The business language is also english.
If you meet a client and can't communicate, you lost the client.
A lack of language skills that are appropriate for the country you're working is your problem, not the client or coworkers problem.
However I got disgusted after two years of watching people get screwed over on their salary reviews, promotions, and other benefits because they were tied to their job. They can't quit.
The greed disgusted me. They were getting people with masters degrees for cents on the dollar from what they would pay anyone else. The entire program has led to economic slavery. I won't be sorry to see the program revoked for the good of the workers.
Its all a system of tradeoffs. The advantage of using a scripting language is rapid development and debugging at the cost of the richer functional libraries and preformance of a compiled language. Another advantage for project managers is that they can use junior programmers for the first tier and spare the attention of senior level developers on the second and third tier.
This makes planning essential. If you identify what pieces will be written on which tier, your life will be easy or a living hell. Most techniques in web application programming are found in articles. Even if you're programming in PHP, look at ASP websites as they'll often have extremely helpful article on using components, how to structure your database, caching tricks, and other information which is platform independent.
Occassionally one of my friends used to pull out a little brass pipe and smoke pipe tobacco out of it just to be a wiseass. He was questioned but they couldn't do anything because there weren't any traces of anything naughty inside. You can posess a questionable item, unless its used in a criminal action. Then the posession of the guilty object becomes a felony (basically levied by the DA to increase the number of charges the prosecuter can try to nail you for).
Ok, so I forced my employer to buy me my plush, ergonomically correct chair, new monitor, keyboard, desk, etc.... I just redefined my home as a workplace. This brings up a lot of nagging questions. Such as, if I'm working from home on my home computer, does my company have the right to read my email or go through my drive since I'm using it for a work related purpose. I could be doing something dirty like harassing co-workers or downloading child pornography... things that could harm my employer... and they now have a vested interest since I have their code on my computer. Besides, I already told them that I consider my home a similar situation as my cubicle. If they're going to associate telecommuting in a way that defines the home office as a workplace, then that opens us up to a hell of a lot of privacy problems. Of course this is typical for IT workers since you really NEVER go home....
I got through high school by not saying anything. Then when I got to college I began to regret never saying anything. There's a certain value in speaking your mind regardless of the consequences.
However there's the catch-22.... in high school you're a minor under the control of your parents and you suffer consequences that you won't suffer as a legal adult.
I guess its a matter of deciding what you want more. To be honest and truthful, or to quietly make your way through and when you get your chance, then say something. Idealism demands that we say something but reality often tells us that being deceiptful is often the only way out.
I lie to my clients all the fucking time because they make it necessary. I don't feel good about it but I try to remember that if I had it my way things would be clean, good and honest.
Such is life on a degredaded universe.
Damnit, that cat is the world's first fucking
Sense/Net superstar. It should be eating off
fine china for the rest of its life while the
masses hail it as a godamn messiah of newest
revolution in entertainment. Instead it will
be returned to its numbered cage and end its
life at Gillette doing first hand product
testing.
Is this any way to treat a pop icon?
What's the cat's name? What color is it? Can I
have it?
I hope y'all remember Gibson's Tally Isham.
This cat is the world's first Isham... and we treat it in such a shabby manner.
Dr. Fardook
lycos@bway.net
Well, look at it this way....
You're in a 3rd world country but you're highly educated. Now, what's the easiest high tech industry to start with? Yup, computing. You just don't need a whole lotta infrastructure to do that.
However imagine that you need to buy software. Lets say it comes down to about $10,000 for a package that would get your business up and running. That's peanuts in the US but an absolute fortune in a 3rd world country. And MS won't scale the price down to fit in with the local market. I couldn't raise enough money if I sold both my kidneys and half my liver.
Its not so much free beer as trying to sell cars in California starting at half a million each.
WSB well adjusted? YOu have read his works I'm assuming?
Considering his imagery is very dark, disturbing, and preoccupied with madness, death, and control, it fits quite well into the themes of "gothic literature". However its modernist and not romantic so the dear old queer's prose is quite different from the most traditional writers of gothic literature.
I'm finding the slight anti-goth sentiment amusing. Considering that quite a few goths are computer professionals (where else can you stay up all night, wear what you want, delve into esoteric lore, and drink lots and lots of caffine) and I know that several of them are reading this. At the same time more than a few goths are complete pretnetious assholes.
This servers to prove that while we're very quick to denouce the mundane world of jocks and pinheads, we're just as quick to tear into each other like a pack of raving jackals.
Welcome to reality, please join the "everyone get out and push" comitte and do lend a hand.
Dr. Fardook
lycos@bway.net
The Japanese are a vending machine culture.
From tales to friends on my college's Japan exchange program, you can get hookers from vending machines. Its a pre-paid calling card. You simply dial the number on the calling card, make a date, and you're set.
Same idea as any American college aged woman setting up a cam in their dorm room for a bit of extra spending money. Just taken to the logial next level.
I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to form their own judgement on this.
Or dismiss it as an urban legend.
--Dr. Fardook
lycos@bway.net