Most of Europe has ID cards, and nobody ever heard it's police states.
Arguably you went ahead and answered your own question. Many European nations have ID cards (either single purpose--like the French medical, or multi-purpose) but the purposes they serve are small time bureaucratic matters--things which are achieved in other nations without ID cards.
If it would be rather easy to get rid of the ID card, then you really don't have one in the full sense of the term.
Richard Joseph Daley's the most powerful man in American politics? Interesting.
Relatively speaking, yes. He was de facto ruler of one of the nation's biggest metro areas, and enormously influential outside of Illinois for a good 15 years.
It's more a statement about the local corrupt politics machine in the local area than it is for national stuff, encouraged by monolithic voting districs and loose/non-existant voter identification requirements.
I agree on the local corrupt machine and the monolithic voting districts, but the voter identification requirements issue is a completely bullshit ruse that people have fallen for hook and sinker (which isn't hard, after all, people assume that fraud happens in much the same way "non-fraud" occurs--i.e., they vote one way, so clearly fraud would happen in just about the same way.)
I call it counterfeiting pennies for a reason--a guy going around voting multiple times might get 10 votes in a day which in a big race is meaningless and in a small race is impossible (since there aren't enough voting stations for him to appear at.)
An unattended pollworker, on the other hand, can run 10 votes in a matter of minutes. Two unattended pollworkers could add hundreds of extra votes.
Plenty of people have been convicted of vote fraud in the US--they were either pollworkers, or people voting in their own name registered at two different locations (because they think they can since they own land in both.) ID cards can't prevent either.
The bulk of the City of Columbus referenda were bond issues, which all passed. Some believe that the city's decision to put them all there at the same time was to do exactly as you said.
I could, incidentally, happily stop voting for judges, which I think is pointless.
No. The board of elections in my county worked its ass off trying to find pollworkers--a job which pays $120/13hr day. State law now allows 17 year olds to do it (which helps a bit, particularly when they get extra credit from their teachers) and county government will allow someone to take the day off with pay for pollworking. And they *still* were short about two dozen pollworkers on election day this year (needing about 4500 in a county of about 1.2 million people.)
President/VP US Senator US Congressman State Rep State Senator State Board of Education Rep. About 10 County judges About 12 Municipal judges (*every* judge in Ohio is elected) Two County Commissioners County Prosecutor, County Auditor, County Treasurer, County Sherriff 2 statewide referenda 5 county referenda 9 City of Columbus referenda
Ok, sorry, I'm doing this all by memory, and I've only got 48. Admittedly, that was an unusually large election--rarely do that many city and county referenda come up--and an unusual quantity of judges were up as well.
state propositions and local measures are handled differently than national stuff.
They might be in other states, but in Ohio they are all on the same ballot at the same time and processed the same way.
As for your math, I don't disagree with it, but I'm not sure where you'll find that many volunteers who are willing to do that type of drudgery.
I'm always amazed when people say this. Voter fraud is like counterfeiting pennies--a lot of work with very little to be gained. If you're going to put all that time and energy into getting a candidate elected there are many much easier ways of doing it.
And if you were to do it, it wouldn't be through the misrepresentation of other people. If the dead voted in Chicago, it wasn't because people were pretending to be other people, it was because the most powerful man in American politics was pulling the strings at the top. Far easier to get the pollworkers to do everything for you.
Canadian Federal election, 2004. Paper ballots. 13.5 million votes.
Correct--Each voter cast one vote (for their MP) multiplied by 13.5 million voters= 13.5 million votes to count.
2004 US election: State of Ohio, Franklin County. Each voter had 57 choices mulitplied by 560,000 voters= 31,920,000 votes to count.
One medium sized US county created nearly 3 times the quantity of votes to count that the entirety of Canada did in a federal election. Remember, our elections are quite different down here...pen and paper ballots would make things "complex."
I wish that our criminal justice system would either choose one or the other.
There is such a thing as the "model penal code." A criminal law developed by talented people with great research into what works and what doesn't. And many, if not all, states adopted the model penal code.
However, legislators don't have the discipline to leave the model penal code alone. The two areas most fucked around with are sex offenses and drug laws. That's why you have perversely punitive statutes (in my state 100 grams of coke equals voluntary manslaughter.)
With any luck a new model penal code will be developed, and the laws and punishments in it will be reasonable, and state legislatures will adopt that framework. (It's difficult for a legislature to reduce penalties for a crime for obvious reasons, but it's a lot easier to do it in the scope of a massive criminal law framework. I guess this means that politics drives criminal law out of whack, a model code is developed and adopted, and then another 30 years is spent driving it out of whack before the next model code is developed and adopted.)
this is a common trait in humans to improve our chances of gaining acceptance with others by attempted to sympathize with the emotional state of everyone else.
My problem with this statement is that it implies that humans are first and foremost individual beings who are then equipped with a variety of mechanisms (such as this one) in order to bond with the rest of the human group. It's a very Western post-enlightenment view that is deeply entrenched in how we view ourselves in the context of the rest of humanity.
An individual from another culture or time might say instead that "humans are social beings who need their peer group to be fulfilled. While a human can perceive feelings all on their own, they will automatically plug into the emotional state of a group of people as it's their natural desire and propensity to be emotionally connected with a group."
The former says that humans are outsiders with abilities to become part of a group, the latter says that we are the group and here's why.
Unless this story is lacking on important detail (which I suspect it is) I can't help but feel that there was a major communications breakdown.
According to the article, USPS blew $40 million manually processing Netflix mailers, but apparently didn't bother talking to Netflix and saying "hey...uhh...can you help us out here.?"
What a nasty world we live in where a kid will go into a sulk because they only got a "wrongly" branded $100+ MP3 player on Christmas morning.
I see where you're going with that. On the other hand, the world where such a kid lives has a large quantity of service and product differentiation, and is therefore a world of tremendous opportunity.
While it might be hard for anyone who isn't Apple to sell MP3 players, there are still lots of opportunities in a world where, once something is branded as the best, people will flock to it.
That's why doing homework is part of my kids' nightly routine.
Isn't that the norm? Or are you adding work which they aren't required to do?
I see the point about adding routine, which is good. Though Maria Montessorri, founder of the educational system that bears her name, though of homework as a scourge which did more to make children hate education than it was effective. She felt that whatever work discipline the child needed to learn should be learned during the school day, and that children should feel "released" at the end of the school day of their obligations.
I can't help but agree with her, though I admit, Montesorri does add some homework in later years simply as a way of helping children transition to regular schools.
It is what it is. I tell people that you could have a particular problem that needs to be solved, and two equally competent people to work on it. However, to motivate one of them, you have to say it's a really difficult, almost impossible problem and to motivate the other, you need to tell them that the problem is a cake walk.
I can say this, because for some reason, I have been both in my life.
. Meanwhile, gun crime in Britain is growing rapidly as criminals have few problems getting hold of guns to prey on a disarmed population.
The Economist had an a recent article on this topic, noting that gun crime/murders have shot up, particularly with gangs, though the quantity of guns in Britain is stable. ("Gun for hire", Sep 20, 2007.)
When Britain really clamped down on guns, they introduced a law which could result in several years of jail just for possessing a gun.
One hypothesis is that, as a result, the older gang members had the younger inductees carry their guns around, so that the older ones didn't have to worry about getting caught.
The problem is that the younger inductees tend to be less mature and such and are therefore more likely to use the gun as a way of solving conflict, hence the rise in gang gun usage.
In theory, though, a Maglev can reach the 500+MPH of a commercial jet.
Doing so is easiest in a partial vacuum. A few years ago the Swiss were entertaining a project to have Maglev trains in partial vacuum connecting its major cities.
There are a few people in the UK considering such a system for its major cities. Such a system would have an enormous effect for the US. Consider the case of my state of Ohio, which is a fairly high population state, but that population is spread over 7 metro areas, the 3 biggest are just medium-sized. (Illinois and Ohio have similar populations, but the population of Illinois is basically concentrated in one metro area.)
A 500 mph train connecting Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati would, at the very least, make those cities suburbs of each other, and, arguably, make them into one big city--creating, in effect, a Chicago in Ohio. That wouldn't be a bad long term investment at $100 million/mile.
While I agree with the sentiment of your idea, the International Olympic Committee is only concerned about the financial aspects of the application. Well, logistics too, but they don't give a damn is the efficiency of logistics is used for oppressive purposes as long as the financials give them green light.
I don't disagree with you on this. I should have added to my original note that I think such a campaign would be more effective at embarrassing the Japanese and reminding people of the the difficulties of travel to the US more than it would actually convince the IOC not to consider Tokyo/Chicago.
It so happens that Tokyo and Chicago are vying to be considered for the Summer Olympics in 2016. I would like to put together a campaign (from a variety of people, civil liberty/privacy groups, etc) to ask that the International Olympic Committee reject any host city application whose nation requires photographing/fingerprinting as a condition of entry. Such a condition violates the human dignity principle of the IOC charter, as well as potentially surpressing visitors to that host nation (since many believe that the dropoff in visitors to the US is related to US-VISIT.
Problem is that people forget that kids are actually pretty damned intelligent. Give them credit for smarts.
Correct, a child *might* understand a sexual innuendo. Interesting though, just because they understand it, doesn't mean they dwell on it. Sex is just irrelevant to them so they put no time into thinking about it.
I hear that children love this movie, Pom Poko. It's built around a creature (the Tanuki, essentially a Raccoon like animal) which, in Japanese mythology, can do magical things with its scrotum. That strikes adults weirdly because we get wrapped up in sexuality, but for children it's just another body part.
A recent article in the Economist ("Where the wind blows" 7/26/07) talked about a proposal to put together a Europe wide power transmission system.
Power loss is greater on AC lines than DC lines, so very long distances are better covered by DC. (The plan is to take power from windmills in windy parts of Northern Europe and move it long distances to the power consumption centers in the south.)
The other advantage is that DC doesn't ground as easily as AC. That's why AC lines have to be in air--and the higher the voltage, the stronger the grounding affect, so the higher the lines have to be. DC lines, on the other hand, don't need to be as high.
The only problem with our system is that it doesn't prevent vote buying, because someone could watch you fill out your ballot, seal it, sign the envelope, and drop it in the mail, then pay you for voting the way they wanted.
For what it's worth, I could do the same, arguably easier, with my cell phone camera in a voting machine booth.
Simply vote, it prints your ballot, and you slip it in a box.
Such a thing exists. It is used in voting jurisdictions which use scantron ballots. Individuals who have disabilities or general issues filling out the scantron use the Automark instead to complete their ballot, and then drop it in the box.
Essentially, your proposal is to have everyone fill out their ballot using the Automark. As far as I know, no jurisdiction does it, but by all means, we've got the technology.
You mean it makes top billing on the ballot a GOLD MINE of random votes.
The candidate order should be randomized. It amazes me that a lot of states don't do that.
I heard some states will take the alphabet and then randomize the letters for that election year...and then that is the ballot order observed statewide.
Here in Ohio, our Constitution requires ward by ward randomization--the strictest in the nation. In 2004, I was a candidate for a non-partisan office, with 3 other candidates. Because of this, I knew that my name was the top name for 1/4 voters.
The effect is just as important as you think. I was much more likely to win a ward in which my name was 1st or 2nd place than when it was 3rd or 4th place (as I recall.)
The reason why people are suddenly more interested in the possibility of fixing their gadgets instead of throwing away old/broken items and buying new stuff is because the economy is tanking big-time right now.
I don't agree with this. I think it's the internet--which has allowed people with little or no experience to find easy fix it solutions to a variety of problems--or find secondary vendors who can fix things cheaper than the manufacturer/replacement.
As much as it's an iffy economy, consumer spending is still strong.
Frankly, their requirements are a bitch. A close friend of mine was in document situation in which we figured out the easiest way for her to get an Illinois ID was to return back to Ohio and renew her Ohio ID and bring that with her to Illinois.
Having said that, your complaint was that the SOS would take "a note from the Mexican embassy." Arguably, that's all a passport is--a document issued by an embassy.
If the states are going to issue an ID in any name with no proof this pretty much means the ID has no value.
Please repeat this to yourself over and over again. It doesn't matter what documents you use to get the ID, the ID's value, at most, only equals the value of the documents which were submitted in application. Unfortunately, we treat it otherwise and think that somehow the document is magically better than what was submitted in the first place.
I have been saying for some time now that licenses should read "This document not guaranteed for identification purposes, third parties use at their own risk." Apparently such a warning is found on licenses issued by the state of South Australia, Australia.
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Most of Europe has ID cards, and nobody ever heard it's police states.
Arguably you went ahead and answered your own question. Many European nations have ID cards (either single purpose--like the French medical, or multi-purpose) but the purposes they serve are small time bureaucratic matters--things which are achieved in other nations without ID cards.
If it would be rather easy to get rid of the ID card, then you really don't have one in the full sense of the term.
Richard Joseph Daley's the most powerful man in American politics? Interesting.
Relatively speaking, yes. He was de facto ruler of one of the nation's biggest metro areas, and enormously influential outside of Illinois for a good 15 years.
It's more a statement about the local corrupt politics machine in the local area than it is for national stuff, encouraged by monolithic voting districs and loose/non-existant voter identification requirements.
I agree on the local corrupt machine and the monolithic voting districts, but the voter identification requirements issue is a completely bullshit ruse that people have fallen for hook and sinker (which isn't hard, after all, people assume that fraud happens in much the same way "non-fraud" occurs--i.e., they vote one way, so clearly fraud would happen in just about the same way.)
I call it counterfeiting pennies for a reason--a guy going around voting multiple times might get 10 votes in a day which in a big race is meaningless and in a small race is impossible (since there aren't enough voting stations for him to appear at.)
An unattended pollworker, on the other hand, can run 10 votes in a matter of minutes. Two unattended pollworkers could add hundreds of extra votes.
Plenty of people have been convicted of vote fraud in the US--they were either pollworkers, or people voting in their own name registered at two different locations (because they think they can since they own land in both.) ID cards can't prevent either.
The bulk of the City of Columbus referenda were bond issues, which all passed. Some believe that the city's decision to put them all there at the same time was to do exactly as you said.
I could, incidentally, happily stop voting for judges, which I think is pointless.
Are you joking?
No. The board of elections in my county worked its ass off trying to find pollworkers--a job which pays $120/13hr day. State law now allows 17 year olds to do it (which helps a bit, particularly when they get extra credit from their teachers) and county government will allow someone to take the day off with pay for pollworking. And they *still* were short about two dozen pollworkers on election day this year (needing about 4500 in a county of about 1.2 million people.)
I meant 57 decisions.
President/VP
US Senator
US Congressman
State Rep
State Senator
State Board of Education Rep.
About 10 County judges
About 12 Municipal judges (*every* judge in Ohio is elected)
Two County Commissioners
County Prosecutor, County Auditor, County Treasurer, County Sherriff
2 statewide referenda
5 county referenda
9 City of Columbus referenda
Ok, sorry, I'm doing this all by memory, and I've only got 48. Admittedly, that was an unusually large election--rarely do that many city and county referenda come up--and an unusual quantity of judges were up as well.
state propositions and local measures are handled differently than national stuff.
They might be in other states, but in Ohio they are all on the same ballot at the same time and processed the same way.
As for your math, I don't disagree with it, but I'm not sure where you'll find that many volunteers who are willing to do that type of drudgery.
Otherwise you are wide open to fraud.
I'm always amazed when people say this. Voter fraud is like counterfeiting pennies--a lot of work with very little to be gained. If you're going to put all that time and energy into getting a candidate elected there are many much easier ways of doing it.
And if you were to do it, it wouldn't be through the misrepresentation of other people. If the dead voted in Chicago, it wasn't because people were pretending to be other people, it was because the most powerful man in American politics was pulling the strings at the top. Far easier to get the pollworkers to do everything for you.
Canadian Federal election, 2004. Paper ballots. 13.5 million votes.
Correct--Each voter cast one vote (for their MP) multiplied by 13.5 million voters= 13.5 million votes to count.
2004 US election: State of Ohio, Franklin County. Each voter had 57 choices mulitplied by 560,000 voters= 31,920,000 votes to count.
One medium sized US county created nearly 3 times the quantity of votes to count that the entirety of Canada did in a federal election. Remember, our elections are quite different down here...pen and paper ballots would make things "complex."
I wish that our criminal justice system would either choose one or the other.
There is such a thing as the "model penal code." A criminal law developed by talented people with great research into what works and what doesn't. And many, if not all, states adopted the model penal code.
However, legislators don't have the discipline to leave the model penal code alone. The two areas most fucked around with are sex offenses and drug laws. That's why you have perversely punitive statutes (in my state 100 grams of coke equals voluntary manslaughter.)
With any luck a new model penal code will be developed, and the laws and punishments in it will be reasonable, and state legislatures will adopt that framework. (It's difficult for a legislature to reduce penalties for a crime for obvious reasons, but it's a lot easier to do it in the scope of a massive criminal law framework. I guess this means that politics drives criminal law out of whack, a model code is developed and adopted, and then another 30 years is spent driving it out of whack before the next model code is developed and adopted.)
this is a common trait in humans to improve our chances of gaining acceptance with others by attempted to sympathize with the emotional state of everyone else.
My problem with this statement is that it implies that humans are first and foremost individual beings who are then equipped with a variety of mechanisms (such as this one) in order to bond with the rest of the human group. It's a very Western post-enlightenment view that is deeply entrenched in how we view ourselves in the context of the rest of humanity.
An individual from another culture or time might say instead that "humans are social beings who need their peer group to be fulfilled. While a human can perceive feelings all on their own, they will automatically plug into the emotional state of a group of people as it's their natural desire and propensity to be emotionally connected with a group."
The former says that humans are outsiders with abilities to become part of a group, the latter says that we are the group and here's why.
Unless this story is lacking on important detail (which I suspect it is) I can't help but feel that there was a major communications breakdown.
According to the article, USPS blew $40 million manually processing Netflix mailers, but apparently didn't bother talking to Netflix and saying "hey...uhh...can you help us out here.?"
What a nasty world we live in where a kid will go into a sulk because they only got a "wrongly" branded $100+ MP3 player on Christmas morning.
I see where you're going with that. On the other hand, the world where such a kid lives has a large quantity of service and product differentiation, and is therefore a world of tremendous opportunity.
While it might be hard for anyone who isn't Apple to sell MP3 players, there are still lots of opportunities in a world where, once something is branded as the best, people will flock to it.
That's why doing homework is part of my kids' nightly routine.
Isn't that the norm? Or are you adding work which they aren't required to do?
I see the point about adding routine, which is good. Though Maria Montessorri, founder of the educational system that bears her name, though of homework as a scourge which did more to make children hate education than it was effective. She felt that whatever work discipline the child needed to learn should be learned during the school day, and that children should feel "released" at the end of the school day of their obligations.
I can't help but agree with her, though I admit, Montesorri does add some homework in later years simply as a way of helping children transition to regular schools.
I still haven't quite figured it out yet.
It is what it is. I tell people that you could have a particular problem that needs to be solved, and two equally competent people to work on it. However, to motivate one of them, you have to say it's a really difficult, almost impossible problem and to motivate the other, you need to tell them that the problem is a cake walk.
I can say this, because for some reason, I have been both in my life.
. Meanwhile, gun crime in Britain is growing rapidly as criminals have few problems getting hold of guns to prey on a disarmed population.
The Economist had an a recent article on this topic, noting that gun crime/murders have shot up, particularly with gangs, though the quantity of guns in Britain is stable. ("Gun for hire", Sep 20, 2007.)
When Britain really clamped down on guns, they introduced a law which could result in several years of jail just for possessing a gun.
One hypothesis is that, as a result, the older gang members had the younger inductees carry their guns around, so that the older ones didn't have to worry about getting caught.
The problem is that the younger inductees tend to be less mature and such and are therefore more likely to use the gun as a way of solving conflict, hence the rise in gang gun usage.
In theory, though, a Maglev can reach the 500+MPH of a commercial jet.
Doing so is easiest in a partial vacuum. A few years ago the Swiss were entertaining a project to have Maglev trains in partial vacuum connecting its major cities.
There are a few people in the UK considering such a system for its major cities. Such a system would have an enormous effect for the US. Consider the case of my state of Ohio, which is a fairly high population state, but that population is spread over 7 metro areas, the 3 biggest are just medium-sized. (Illinois and Ohio have similar populations, but the population of Illinois is basically concentrated in one metro area.)
A 500 mph train connecting Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati would, at the very least, make those cities suburbs of each other, and, arguably, make them into one big city--creating, in effect, a Chicago in Ohio. That wouldn't be a bad long term investment at $100 million/mile.
While I agree with the sentiment of your idea, the International Olympic Committee is only concerned about the financial aspects of the application. Well, logistics too, but they don't give a damn is the efficiency of logistics is used for oppressive purposes as long as the financials give them green light.
I don't disagree with you on this. I should have added to my original note that I think such a campaign would be more effective at embarrassing the Japanese and reminding people of the the difficulties of travel to the US more than it would actually convince the IOC not to consider Tokyo/Chicago.
It so happens that Tokyo and Chicago are vying to be considered for the Summer Olympics in 2016. I would like to put together a campaign (from a variety of people, civil liberty/privacy groups, etc) to ask that the International Olympic Committee reject any host city application whose nation requires photographing/fingerprinting as a condition of entry. Such a condition violates the human dignity principle of the IOC charter, as well as potentially surpressing visitors to that host nation (since many believe that the dropoff in visitors to the US is related to US-VISIT.
Problem is that people forget that kids are actually pretty damned intelligent. Give them credit for smarts.
Correct, a child *might* understand a sexual innuendo. Interesting though, just because they understand it, doesn't mean they dwell on it. Sex is just irrelevant to them so they put no time into thinking about it.
I hear that children love this movie, Pom Poko. It's built around a creature (the Tanuki, essentially a Raccoon like animal) which, in Japanese mythology, can do magical things with its scrotum. That strikes adults weirdly because we get wrapped up in sexuality, but for children it's just another body part.
A recent article in the Economist ("Where the wind blows" 7/26/07) talked about a proposal to put together a Europe wide power transmission system.
Power loss is greater on AC lines than DC lines, so very long distances are better covered by DC. (The plan is to take power from windmills in windy parts of Northern Europe and move it long distances to the power consumption centers in the south.)
The other advantage is that DC doesn't ground as easily as AC. That's why AC lines have to be in air--and the higher the voltage, the stronger the grounding affect, so the higher the lines have to be. DC lines, on the other hand, don't need to be as high.
The only problem with our system is that it doesn't prevent vote buying, because someone could watch you fill out your ballot, seal it, sign the envelope, and drop it in the mail, then pay you for voting the way they wanted.
For what it's worth, I could do the same, arguably easier, with my cell phone camera in a voting machine booth.
Simply vote, it prints your ballot, and you slip it in a box.
Such a thing exists. It is used in voting jurisdictions which use scantron ballots. Individuals who have disabilities or general issues filling out the scantron use the Automark instead to complete their ballot, and then drop it in the box.
Essentially, your proposal is to have everyone fill out their ballot using the Automark. As far as I know, no jurisdiction does it, but by all means, we've got the technology.
You mean it makes top billing on the ballot a GOLD MINE of random votes.
The candidate order should be randomized. It amazes me that a lot of states don't do that.
I heard some states will take the alphabet and then randomize the letters for that election year...and then that is the ballot order observed statewide.
Here in Ohio, our Constitution requires ward by ward randomization--the strictest in the nation. In 2004, I was a candidate for a non-partisan office, with 3 other candidates. Because of this, I knew that my name was the top name for 1/4 voters.
The effect is just as important as you think. I was much more likely to win a ward in which my name was 1st or 2nd place than when it was 3rd or 4th place (as I recall.)
The reason why people are suddenly more interested in the possibility of fixing their gadgets instead of throwing away old/broken items and buying new stuff is because the economy is tanking big-time right now.
I don't agree with this. I think it's the internet--which has allowed people with little or no experience to find easy fix it solutions to a variety of problems--or find secondary vendors who can fix things cheaper than the manufacturer/replacement.
As much as it's an iffy economy, consumer spending is still strong.
I was looking for an image of that but couldn't find one. How much of a problem would it be for you to scan it and upload it somewhere/send it to me?
you can get a note from the Mexican embassy saying in effect to give this person an ID with no further verificattion.
I'm not sure where you get that. Here is the list of documents the Illinois Secretary of State will accept in application for an Illinois DL/ID.
Frankly, their requirements are a bitch. A close friend of mine was in document situation in which we figured out the easiest way for her to get an Illinois ID was to return back to Ohio and renew her Ohio ID and bring that with her to Illinois.
Having said that, your complaint was that the SOS would take "a note from the Mexican embassy." Arguably, that's all a passport is--a document issued by an embassy.
If the states are going to issue an ID in any name with no proof this pretty much means the ID has no value.
Please repeat this to yourself over and over again. It doesn't matter what documents you use to get the ID, the ID's value, at most, only equals the value of the documents which were submitted in application. Unfortunately, we treat it otherwise and think that somehow the document is magically better than what was submitted in the first place.
I have been saying for some time now that licenses should read "This document not guaranteed for identification purposes, third parties use at their own risk." Apparently such a warning is found on licenses issued by the state of South Australia, Australia.