Flash is multi platfrom and there is GASH as an option. I also trust Adobe to be OS neutral a lot more than Microsoft. 99% of our your users already have Flash so why make them download and install Silverlight.
Oh I do agree with you. I am a christian and even go to church. ACU is just a very strict school and there belief system says that dancing is bad. I felt bad for my friend because she choose to go to that school yet felt the need to had the fact that she liked to go out dancing. But that is just me but I am with you that I don't think that there is anything immoral with dancing. I just try to respect others faith even if I don't share it.
There is a huge home market but your right about business. The thing is that a lot of business systems are moving from Visual Basic to web based apps. That Terrifies Microsoft.
Well I can tell you that the company I work for keeps getting request after request for a Mac Native version of our software. We are also getting many calls from people that are running our software under Bootcamp. When I go to usergroup meetings and when I give seminars I am told time and time again that they would drop Windows if they could get our software in a Mac native version. Yes people make their living using our software and that is keep this group of people on Windows. Vista has been a disaster for our customers. The performance hit and problems some devices has been terrible. USB to serial adapters are just completely unreliable under Vista and the memory requirements are through the roof.
There is a large group of users that just hates Windows but it does what they need for a low price. But I have yet to see any Windows user except to be honest myself that has never had a problem with Windows. I have admit that I have had almost no problems with XP on my personal systems. But I think the number of rent a geek services that run spyware removal is proof that I am in the minority.
"However, if you want to talk about OS and applications, Apple themselves have put up a barrier to that. In order to actually develop programs for Macs, you have to pay them quite a bit of money just to get the basic dev tools, and even more in order to make higher end programs."
I simply pointed out that they cost for Mac development was the same or actually in some cases less for the Mac.
Not at ACU. I had a friend that went there. Very nice girl but had to sneak to a different town so she could go dancing. Very strict Christian school. Hey I don't have a problem with that since you only go if you want to go.
Oh I do understand. But I find the animated ads to be very distracting. It really needs to be a trade off. The site has to serve ads that I do not want to block and I have to give them a chance. I have tried more than once and Slashdot has failed more than once. Slashdot is a text medium like a newspaper. The ads need to be static. That is what the human eye is used to in this medium. Simple as that serve ads that do not cause me actual discomfort and I will see them. I use adblocker not out of joy or spite but because I have to.
"You mean like Linspire's Click-n-Run? To my understanding it was a disaster, but I could be wrong, I don't follow that distro." Yes it was a disaster. The distro never really got enough traction to make it a good profit center. Plus Lindows from what I saw just wasn't a good distro. A good software store for a not very good distro will fall.
As a developer I will ignore Codeweavers as well. I don't want my windows software to run under Linux until I am done with a native port. The support issues with Windows are a big enough pain. Under Linux+CrossOver just isn't anything I want to deal with. As an end user Wine is great as a developer it is a nightmare. My users depend on our software. It really has to work all the time. Codeweaver's solution puts in too many variables. How many distro's will I have to test on? How many will the support staff have to have access too? Even when we have a Linux version we will only support a few Distros of maybe only one. Not to be mean or force a choice but so that we can test our software and support our customers. It is very different when you are giving away software then when you sell it. Also that level of support is one reason why people will sometimes choose to buy software. FOSS is great but I don't know of any FOSS project that offers the same level of support except maybe RH Linux and you do pay some big bucks for that.
"possibilities are too wondrous to limit oneself to the cheapest solution which meets the primary requirements." And I say it is wrong to waste. If you notice I wondered if casting might not be less wasteful of energy and accomplish the same task. The cost should include the impact as well as just the dollars. So yes a cheap case that will break and have to be replaced is more expensive than one that will last. But the best solution is the cheapest that meets the primary requirements. One should just be careful with the requirements.
I was comparing OS/X to Windows. Linux has one real problem I see left. It lacks an effective way to market software. The differences in distributions still makes selling off the shelf software a challenge. I keep hoping that Ubuntu will see the light and bring an iTunes like software store to Linux. I do not believe that you can have a successful desktop without a place for none FOSS software. I will even say that it is about freedom. The freedom to choose. If I feel a program is worth the money then pay for it. If I can find a free program that does what I need then use that. When a Linux users can download shop for software then Linux will have a real chance. And yes I have and us Linux on my desktop at home. I only boot into Windows for a few games.
"I would imagine it could have a real interest if it means really solid cases without the premium price." Not really. Again all you care about is the results and the cost. Which is the way things should be.
Pretty much it. Firefox is as good or better than Chrome and has a lot more plugins. Adblock is probably a big driver for Firefox. Also Firefox works on Windows, Mac, Linux, Solaris, and BSD. So why move I think Chrome will be big on mobile devices.
Hard evidence that windows has suffered a multitude of security breaches over the years? What planet have you been one. My favorite windows bug? I wish I could find it now but there was an ascii file that if you used the type command on it would BSOD. And then there is the bug in MFC that causes a GPF if a synaptic touch pad driver is used. This is online forum and you are using stupid political tricks to try to dismiss statements that you don't like. Never said that OS/X was prefect but to claim that Windows is more secure flies in the face of years of evidence. I will say that I have had very few problems with my machine but then I do know what I am doing and don't use IE or Outlook. But since OS/X is built off of BSD I would bet that it will have a much better security history than Windows.
The things that pays for the bandwidth, servers, and salaries of those that run Slashdot. I would really like to white list Slashdot but every time I have tried they put up some stupid animated banner. Really is too bad since I would bet the ads on Slashdot are for things I may be interested in.
"Apple themselves have put up a barrier to that. In order to actually develop programs for Macs, you have to pay them quite a bit of money just to get the basic dev tools, and even more in order to make higher end programs." Huhh? Okay do you know how much MSDN+Visual Studio costs? The professional version is $1,199 per year! It goes up from there. For the ADC it starts at $499. But you can get ADC online version which includes XCode for... Free. Apple is if anything is cheaper than Windows for the official developers packages. Free "gcc" development tools are available for both.
I didn't know that they had Linux versions of itunes and quickin? Actually nobody that buys a netbook is an average user. And that was from one manufacture. I believe it since none of the netbook versions of Linux I have seen have been that good.
If apple started to manufacture systems themselves then yes that would be big news. The problem is all the leaks seem to come from China so I don't think that is a big deal. Machining the case? Well CNC milling is very old. A new production process that makes it cheaper. Mildly interesting to the end user and only if it drops the price of the case. Now if they where casting them then that might be interesting but milling seems like a waste. I know they will recycle the scraps but I would think casting would be more eco friendly.
I have dealt with the mess that is Windows for a very long time. Windows security has been none existent for a long time. It is just now getting to be one step above a terrible joke. Guess what? I work for a software developer. So I do know windows inside and out. It is ugly ugly ugly.
As opposed to the sieve that is Windows? Apple has a good number of machine out now and no where near the exploits of Windows. Could Apple do better? Yes they could but then the number of Windows issues I have had to deal with over the years makes that look trivial.
Yea that was going to be my suggestion. The problem is that earbuds don't really cut down the ambient sound so people crank up the volume to over power the noise.
I don't think you get it. People don't want Windows anymore. They want their software. I see more and more people buying Apples then running Windows on bootcamp, Fusion, and Parallels. The average home user just need a browser, email, iTunes, Quickin, and TruboTax. Maybe a few casual games. The average home user can already move to the Mac with little to no problem. The big thing is cost. If apple would come out with a Mac Mini that only cost $499 and was expandable You would see even more people buy them. The game market for the Mac would massively increase as would video card options. People only buy Windows machines for two reasons. They are cheap or they have to run some program under windows. Apple is already increasing their market share and more and more developers are porting to the Mac. Soon it will be only the the cost that keeps people on Windows. Heck I am a Linux guy at heart but If Apple produced a $499 expandable Mac I would buy it.
Okay this is just dull. A new case? There really better be more to it. Things I would love to see. A new Mac Cube. A slightly larger mac mini with a PCIe slot for a video board,a 7200 RPM drive, maybe room for an extra drive, and two to four dimm sockets. Price $499. It would kill HP and Dell in one fell swoop. A mac Netbook. Back in the day the Steves tried to make computers for everyone. Now the Steve makes them for the "elite". Kind of sad in a way. Yes I do like their good design work and great OS but they are making money hand over foot so why not go for a knock out? The Apple Volksputer.
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I find animated ads mixed with text to be jarring. They literally cause me discomfort when I am reading. That is why I block ads.
Flash is multi platfrom and there is GASH as an option.
I also trust Adobe to be OS neutral a lot more than Microsoft.
99% of our your users already have Flash so why make them download and install Silverlight.
Oh I do agree with you. I am a christian and even go to church.
ACU is just a very strict school and there belief system says that dancing is bad.
I felt bad for my friend because she choose to go to that school yet felt the need to had the fact that she liked to go out dancing.
But that is just me but I am with you that I don't think that there is anything immoral with dancing. I just try to respect others faith even if I don't share it.
There is a huge home market but your right about business. The thing is that a lot of business systems are moving from Visual Basic to web based apps.
That Terrifies Microsoft.
Well I can tell you that the company I work for keeps getting request after request for a Mac Native version of our software. We are also getting many calls from people that are running our software under Bootcamp.
When I go to usergroup meetings and when I give seminars I am told time and time again that they would drop Windows if they could get our software in a Mac native version.
Yes people make their living using our software and that is keep this group of people on Windows.
Vista has been a disaster for our customers. The performance hit and problems some devices has been terrible. USB to serial adapters are just completely unreliable under Vista and the memory requirements are through the roof.
There is a large group of users that just hates Windows but it does what they need for a low price. But I have yet to see any Windows user except to be honest myself that has never had a problem with Windows.
I have admit that I have had almost no problems with XP on my personal systems. But I think the number of rent a geek services that run spyware removal is proof that I am in the minority.
Yep but the original post was.
"However, if you want to talk about OS and applications, Apple themselves have put up a barrier to that. In order to actually develop programs for Macs, you have to pay them quite a bit of money just to get the basic dev tools, and even more in order to make higher end programs."
I simply pointed out that they cost for Mac development was the same or actually in some cases less for the Mac.
Not at ACU. I had a friend that went there. Very nice girl but had to sneak to a different town so she could go dancing.
Very strict Christian school. Hey I don't have a problem with that since you only go if you want to go.
Oh I do understand. But I find the animated ads to be very distracting. It really needs to be a trade off. The site has to serve ads that I do not want to block and I have to give them a chance. I have tried more than once and Slashdot has failed more than once.
Slashdot is a text medium like a newspaper. The ads need to be static. That is what the human eye is used to in this medium.
Simple as that serve ads that do not cause me actual discomfort and I will see them.
I use adblocker not out of joy or spite but because I have to.
"You mean like Linspire's Click-n-Run? To my understanding it was a disaster, but I could be wrong, I don't follow that distro."
Yes it was a disaster. The distro never really got enough traction to make it a good profit center. Plus Lindows from what I saw just wasn't a good distro. A good software store for a not very good distro will fall.
As a developer I will ignore Codeweavers as well. I don't want my windows software to run under Linux until I am done with a native port.
The support issues with Windows are a big enough pain. Under Linux+CrossOver just isn't anything I want to deal with.
As an end user Wine is great as a developer it is a nightmare. My users depend on our software. It really has to work all the time. Codeweaver's solution puts in too many variables. How many distro's will I have to test on? How many will the support staff have to have access too?
Even when we have a Linux version we will only support a few Distros of maybe only one.
Not to be mean or force a choice but so that we can test our software and support our customers.
It is very different when you are giving away software then when you sell it. Also that level of support is one reason why people will sometimes choose to buy software. FOSS is great but I don't know of any FOSS project that offers the same level of support except maybe RH Linux and you do pay some big bucks for that.
"possibilities are too wondrous to limit oneself to the cheapest solution which meets the primary requirements."
And I say it is wrong to waste.
If you notice I wondered if casting might not be less wasteful of energy and accomplish the same task.
The cost should include the impact as well as just the dollars.
So yes a cheap case that will break and have to be replaced is more expensive than one that will last.
But the best solution is the cheapest that meets the primary requirements. One should just be careful with the requirements.
I was comparing OS/X to Windows.
Linux has one real problem I see left. It lacks an effective way to market software.
The differences in distributions still makes selling off the shelf software a challenge. I keep hoping that Ubuntu will see the light and bring an iTunes like software store to Linux. I do not believe that you can have a successful desktop without a place for none FOSS software. I will even say that it is about freedom. The freedom to choose. If I feel a program is worth the money then pay for it. If I can find a free program that does what I need then use that.
When a Linux users can download shop for software then Linux will have a real chance.
And yes I have and us Linux on my desktop at home. I only boot into Windows for a few games.
"I would imagine it could have a real interest if it means really solid cases without the premium price."
Not really. Again all you care about is the results and the cost. Which is the way things should be.
"OSX? What real advantage does it have?"
System wide spell checker.
Time machine.
Quick look.
And a much better development platform.
Dell's are not bad machines and I think Apple can match them for price for quality any day. I think you are way under estimating the benefits of OS/X.
Pretty much it. Firefox is as good or better than Chrome and has a lot more plugins.
Adblock is probably a big driver for Firefox. Also Firefox works on Windows, Mac, Linux, Solaris, and BSD.
So why move
I think Chrome will be big on mobile devices.
Hard evidence that windows has suffered a multitude of security breaches over the years?
What planet have you been one.
My favorite windows bug? I wish I could find it now but there was an ascii file that if you used the type command on it would BSOD.
And then there is the bug in MFC that causes a GPF if a synaptic touch pad driver is used.
This is online forum and you are using stupid political tricks to try to dismiss statements that you don't like.
Never said that OS/X was prefect but to claim that Windows is more secure flies in the face of years of evidence. I will say that I have had very few problems with my machine but then I do know what I am doing and don't use IE or Outlook. But since OS/X is built off of BSD I would bet that it will have a much better security history than Windows.
The things that pays for the bandwidth, servers, and salaries of those that run Slashdot.
I would really like to white list Slashdot but every time I have tried they put up some stupid animated banner.
Really is too bad since I would bet the ads on Slashdot are for things I may be interested in.
"Apple themselves have put up a barrier to that. In order to actually develop programs for Macs, you have to pay them quite a bit of money just to get the basic dev tools, and even more in order to make higher end programs."
Huhh?
Okay do you know how much MSDN+Visual Studio costs?
The professional version is $1,199 per year!
It goes up from there.
For the ADC it starts at $499. But you can get ADC online version which includes XCode for... Free.
Apple is if anything is cheaper than Windows for the official developers packages.
Free "gcc" development tools are available for both.
I didn't know that they had Linux versions of itunes and quickin?
Actually nobody that buys a netbook is an average user. And that was from one manufacture. I believe it since none of the netbook versions of Linux I have seen have been that good.
If apple started to manufacture systems themselves then yes that would be big news. The problem is all the leaks seem to come from China so I don't think that is a big deal.
Machining the case? Well CNC milling is very old. A new production process that makes it cheaper. Mildly interesting to the end user and only if it drops the price of the case.
Now if they where casting them then that might be interesting but milling seems like a waste. I know they will recycle the scraps but I would think casting would be more eco friendly.
Maybe you shouldn't use it to cut yourself off from the rest of the world?
Just and suggestion but maybe we don't need background music every where?
I have dealt with the mess that is Windows for a very long time. Windows security has been none existent for a long time. It is just now getting to be one step above a terrible joke. Guess what? I work for a software developer. So I do know windows inside and out. It is ugly ugly ugly.
As opposed to the sieve that is Windows? Apple has a good number of machine out now and no where near the exploits of Windows. Could Apple do better? Yes they could but then the number of Windows issues I have had to deal with over the years makes that look trivial.
Yea that was going to be my suggestion.
The problem is that earbuds don't really cut down the ambient sound so people crank up the volume to over power the noise.
I don't think you get it. People don't want Windows anymore. They want their software. I see more and more people buying Apples then running Windows on bootcamp, Fusion, and Parallels. The average home user just need a browser, email, iTunes, Quickin, and TruboTax. Maybe a few casual games.
The average home user can already move to the Mac with little to no problem.
The big thing is cost. If apple would come out with a Mac Mini that only cost $499 and was expandable You would see even more people buy them. The game market for the Mac would massively increase as would video card options.
People only buy Windows machines for two reasons. They are cheap or they have to run some program under windows.
Apple is already increasing their market share and more and more developers are porting to the Mac. Soon it will be only the the cost that keeps people on Windows.
Heck I am a Linux guy at heart but If Apple produced a $499 expandable Mac I would buy it.
Okay this is just dull. A new case? There really better be more to it. ,a 7200 RPM drive, maybe room for an extra drive, and two to four dimm sockets.
Things I would love to see.
A new Mac Cube. A slightly larger mac mini with a PCIe slot for a video board
Price $499. It would kill HP and Dell in one fell swoop.
A mac Netbook.
Back in the day the Steves tried to make computers for everyone. Now the Steve makes them for the "elite". Kind of sad in a way.
Yes I do like their good design work and great OS but they are making money hand over foot so why not go for a knock out?
The Apple Volksputer.