"People who say "just a theory" have a poor understanding of what science is. All of science is "just a theory". That's how it works: scientists propound theories, check them against facts, and discard or refine them." No some people say just a theory knows what just a theory is. Some of us have actually taken classes if physics and even meteorology. That is why I am driven absolutely batty by people claiming the two really bad hurricane seasons where proof of global warming or claiming that it will drive stronger storms. As I explained storms are driven not by temperature but by differential just like any other heat engine. As I said time and time again I feel that cutting CO2 is prudent. BUT I will not allow people to use exaggerations, fear mongering, and bad science to push that goal. As to Steven Hawking statment, he was full of it. But statment that we could wipe out all life on earth by turning it into a new Venus is an exaggeration, fear mongering, and bad science. And it was a statment that you made. Frankly since China and India are going to do nothing but pump out more and more CO2 all I can say is we better think about how we will deal with what ever the new stability point will bring.
"Plenty of reputable scientists believe the Venus scenario is possible. " No there isn't name some. Really a reference to such an outlandish claim would be nice. As I said your arrogance is amusing. You will not even admit to yourself that you where fear mongering or that your claims that the "weird" weather was totally unproven. Now you resort to foul language and indignation. Get over it and treat Global Warming like what it is. A theory. A theory that does have some pretty good evidence but still just a theory. When you dismiss all questions you are no longer dealing with science.
Well the earth turning into Venus is something that NO reputable scientist believes so I have no idea where you got that from. You suffer from the same problem that I see on Slashdot all the time. You have adopted global warming as a religion. If any questions the faith they are heretics and fools. THAT IS NOT GOOD SCIENCE. As I pointed out that I am all for cutting CO2 but at the same time I question the fear mongering and bad science that I see in the Church of Global Warming. I also call in to question the arrogance of the followers. They are so sure of the moral and intellectual superiority that it amuses me to no end. So where did you get your fallacy about the Earth turning in to Venus and that Global warming is causing more and stronger hurricanes. It is obvious from the facts that that source IS not better than the talk shows you like to mock.
Well I actually like Sprint the best of the vendors. But maybe I have just been lucky. The real problem I did have with Sprint was with the Centro. My wife and I both wanted one. Then we looked at the feature list. You had to get the Sprint Vision package. Well that was fine since it included the Navigation which I really wanted... Except the Centro lacked the GPS to make it work! Well that sucks. Next up it lacks stereo bluetooth support. You can get that if you buy a program! Well that just sucks. Then I found out that you can not do voice dialing with a bluetooth headset. Well that was the deal breaker. The Phone was so close but the software was just to limited.
You see that is what makes me crazy. So many statements about global warming and the effects are unproven but if anyone doubts any of them they are "unscientific tools of industry". I made no jokes about it and I don't doubt that the climate is changing. It is always changing and always will. How ever the fear that we will have a Venus style runaway green house is totally outside any reasonable climate model we have today. Before you start getting bent of what you see as a fallacy you should check you own fear mongering at the door.
You link actually supports my statement about the strength of storms. What I find most amusing is the fact that I simply said that I would not put human caused global warming as proven. Yet I also said that it would be prudent to reduce our CO2. As to my belief that China and India will not cut there emissions. Sorry but I put that down to knowing too much history.
"nd the faint (but real) possibility that the whole thing will cycle out of control and render the planet uninhabitable. No, that would require giving up some smugness. And we at Slashdot value our smugness!" How about giving up our panic attacks. 1. Will we loose crop land or will it just shift? 2. The extinction of thousands of species? What date do have for that number? Or is just a guess? 3. increase in catastrophic weather? That one I really question. Most catastrophic weather are basically heat engines. What most people don't get is that heat engines are not driven by heat but by heat differential. Since the heat increase is greater at the poles than the tropics it would tend to equal out the temperature differentials of course the question then will be what effect it will have in the temperature differentials in the vertical column. The thing is that climate does change over time. Life adapts and some life will do better and some worse if global warming predictions hold out.
Am I saying we shouldn't worry about global warming or that we shouldn't cut our CO2? Not at all I think it is the prudent action with the data we have. Do I think it is a proven fact? Not really. Of course the problem is out of our hands. China and India will do nothing to cut there emissions. China has already exceeded the US in emissions (not per person but in total emissions) and I would bet that India isn't far behind. If it is real I doubt that we can even really slow it at this point
"Deserts are not desirable ecosystems. They are what happens when you push a healthy ecosystem to the point of collapse. Over time and without human interference all deserts should shrink (this may require one or more ice age/warm period cycles, however.)" Huh????? There have been Deserts for a very long time long before man had any real impact on the environment. As to how desirable they are? Well to some life forms they are very desirable, to other not so much. Your statements on the "value" of deserts is just nuts.
The simple answer is that Coal is cheaper than wind and solar. Also solar takes up a HUGE amount of land. Not the small scale solar systems that people put on their roofs but the large ones that can replace power plants. BTW small home solar in not effected. Deserts look empty but they are actually one of the more fragile ecosystems.
So you want solar and think it is a good idea put some panels up on your roof.
"Any hope is a good hope." Not really. False hope is terrible. My nephew is Autistic and the amount of total junk being tried just makes me nuts. In this case I am just praying that this is real hope.
Hey why didn't china just block those pages instead of all of SourceForge? SourceForge allows it. The author wanted to do it. You have the right to not like it but in this case that really doesn't matter.
Dude I don't like the Chinese government but the last think I want to see is coup. It will be bloody.. I mean really bloody. Yes I think the Chinese government needs to be opposed but to do that we need to stop giving them money. I don't protest much but I sure try to find things not made in China. I hunted long and hard to find a Lawn mower that wasn't made in China. I finally did. If all people start not buying Chinese goods that will do more than all the ranting and yelling in the world. And maybe we will see another "velvet revolution" and not a bloody one. Maybe not but I sure can hope for it.
How does it hurt Sourceforge? Are there that many Chinese contributers? I really hate politics as a rule but this really is pretty tame and I feel that it is within his rights. It is his project so big deal he can do what he wants with it. If you don't like it then just done use the program or contribute any code to it. Heck I don't even like it when protesters try to yell down speakers at political events but this little protest doesn't interfere with anybodies rights.
Actually I am still trying to figure out why I should care more about what an Actor has to say about some political idea than my barber.
I have less of a problem when a hard working programmer puts us a little political statement than when some rich actor with a private jet tells me that I need to cut my carbon foot print:)
Yea right. There was a KDE program that had a pro us message in the about dialog that got pulled because it was too "political". In this case it is more the author than must a project leader. IMHO it is his code and his site. If you don't like it write a better program and don't put in any politics.
I am not trying to split hairs. But your definition of a computer IS a PC. Everything is a niche product. You said that for every Java program there are maybe 10 others that are written in C or C++. The thing is that those are often the SAME ten in every company. In the Entprise space there are probably a lot more Java applications than C or C++ applications. After all there is only one Office, one OpenOffice, one IE, and one Firefox. Java is ONE BIG HONKING niche product.
"Where are the office apps, games, browsers, IM clients, etc. written in java" Office apps? They tend to be in offices. Games... Cell phones. Browsers? Cell phones. IM? Cell phones. There is nothing stopping you from writing an IM client in java. Browsers? The truth is that there are very few of them at all. If you mean mainstream on the desktop stuff? There are a very few real applications that people use that are mainstream desktop stuff. Most all of those are written in C or C++
"If you classify by unit count, dollar sales figures, or user count, I think you'll find the most used computers in the world are PC class single user systems" Nope. Most people own 1 PC maybe two. They will also own. A cell phone "mobile device" A media player "iPod" embedded. Maybe a wap. Embedded. A car . Embedded. A DVR. Embedded..... Every little widget on the planet.... Embedded. PCs are way not the biggest by unit count. And a lot of work PCs in the enterprise are using Java and or.NET applications.
BALONEY. I am running a java applet right now CPU is at 3%. That is with Firefox and Thunderbird. That is on a pretty old P4 so that is just not true. As to it being ugly. Not really. With Java 6 under Windows XP it is hard to tell the difference. So you speed with the assurance of someone that pretty much knows nothing.
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"People who say "just a theory" have a poor understanding of what science is. All of science is "just a theory". That's how it works: scientists propound theories, check them against facts, and discard or refine them."
No some people say just a theory knows what just a theory is. Some of us have actually taken classes if physics and even meteorology. That is why I am driven absolutely batty by people claiming the two really bad hurricane seasons where proof of global warming or claiming that it will drive stronger storms. As I explained storms are driven not by temperature but by differential just like any other heat engine. As I said time and time again I feel that cutting CO2 is prudent. BUT I will not allow people to use exaggerations, fear mongering, and bad science to push that goal. As to Steven Hawking statment, he was full of it. But statment that we could wipe out all life on earth by turning it into a new Venus is an exaggeration, fear mongering, and bad science. And it was a statment that you made.
Frankly since China and India are going to do nothing but pump out more and more CO2 all I can say is we better think about how we will deal with what ever the new stability point will bring.
"Plenty of reputable scientists believe the Venus scenario is possible. "
No there isn't name some. Really a reference to such an outlandish claim would be nice.
As I said your arrogance is amusing. You will not even admit to yourself that you where fear mongering or that your claims that the "weird" weather was totally unproven. Now you resort to foul language and indignation.
Get over it and treat Global Warming like what it is. A theory. A theory that does have some pretty good evidence but still just a theory.
When you dismiss all questions you are no longer dealing with science.
But that is simply because you don't want to risk the warranty. It has nothing to with the difference between a Mac and a Dell notebook.
OpenFiler is also a good choice. Get that with a low power AMD cpu and you will have a nice inexpensive NAS.
Golly sir those Macs must run on fairy dust and Unicorn poop...
Give me a break it isn't some magical device people. Apple uses off the shelf parts. Apple even provides instructions on how to do it!
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1270
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/MacBook_13inch_HardDrive_DIY.pdf
If your local computer guy can READ and use the internet this is a piece of cake.
Well the earth turning into Venus is something that NO reputable scientist believes so I have no idea where you got that from. You suffer from the same problem that I see on Slashdot all the time. You have adopted global warming as a religion. If any questions the faith they are heretics and fools. THAT IS NOT GOOD SCIENCE. As I pointed out that I am all for cutting CO2 but at the same time I question the fear mongering and bad science that I see in the Church of Global Warming. I also call in to question the arrogance of the followers. They are so sure of the moral and intellectual superiority that it amuses me to no end.
So where did you get your fallacy about the Earth turning in to Venus and that Global warming is causing more and stronger hurricanes. It is obvious from the facts that that source IS not better than the talk shows you like to mock.
Well I actually like Sprint the best of the vendors. But maybe I have just been lucky. The real problem I did have with Sprint was with the Centro.
My wife and I both wanted one. Then we looked at the feature list. You had to get the Sprint Vision package. Well that was fine since it included the Navigation which I really wanted... Except the Centro lacked the GPS to make it work! Well that sucks. Next up it lacks stereo bluetooth support. You can get that if you buy a program! Well that just sucks. Then I found out that you can not do voice dialing with a bluetooth headset.
Well that was the deal breaker.
The Phone was so close but the software was just to limited.
You see that is what makes me crazy. So many statements about global warming and the effects are unproven but if anyone doubts any of them they are "unscientific tools of industry". I made no jokes about it and I don't doubt that the climate is changing. It is always changing and always will. How ever the fear that we will have a Venus style runaway green house is totally outside any reasonable climate model we have today. Before you start getting bent of what you see as a fallacy you should check you own fear mongering at the door.
You link actually supports my statement about the strength of storms.
What I find most amusing is the fact that I simply said that I would not put human caused global warming as proven. Yet I also said that it would be prudent to reduce our CO2.
As to my belief that China and India will not cut there emissions. Sorry but I put that down to knowing too much history.
Why not. Many people value the opinion of people with far weaker science backgrounds about the safety of nuclear power plants.
"nd the faint (but real) possibility that the whole thing will cycle out of control and render the planet uninhabitable. No, that would require giving up some smugness. And we at Slashdot value our smugness!"
How about giving up our panic attacks.
1. Will we loose crop land or will it just shift?
2. The extinction of thousands of species? What date do have for that number? Or is just a guess?
3. increase in catastrophic weather? That one I really question. Most catastrophic weather are basically heat engines. What most people don't get is that heat engines are not driven by heat but by heat differential. Since the heat increase is greater at the poles than the tropics it would tend to equal out the temperature differentials of course the question then will be what effect it will have in the temperature differentials in the vertical column.
The thing is that climate does change over time. Life adapts and some life will do better and some worse if global warming predictions hold out.
Am I saying we shouldn't worry about global warming or that we shouldn't cut our CO2? Not at all I think it is the prudent action with the data we have.
Do I think it is a proven fact? Not really.
Of course the problem is out of our hands. China and India will do nothing to cut there emissions. China has already exceeded the US in emissions (not per person but in total emissions) and I would bet that India isn't far behind. If it is real I doubt that we can even really slow it at this point
"Deserts are not desirable ecosystems. They are what happens when you push a healthy ecosystem to the point of collapse. Over time and without human interference all deserts should shrink (this may require one or more ice age/warm period cycles, however.)"
Huh?????
There have been Deserts for a very long time long before man had any real impact on the environment.
As to how desirable they are? Well to some life forms they are very desirable, to other not so much.
Your statements on the "value" of deserts is just nuts.
The simple answer is that Coal is cheaper than wind and solar.
Also solar takes up a HUGE amount of land. Not the small scale solar systems that people put on their roofs but the large ones that can replace power plants. BTW small home solar in not effected.
Deserts look empty but they are actually one of the more fragile ecosystems.
So you want solar and think it is a good idea put some panels up on your roof.
"Any hope is a good hope."
Not really. False hope is terrible. My nephew is Autistic and the amount of total junk being tried just makes me nuts.
In this case I am just praying that this is real hope.
Hey why didn't china just block those pages instead of all of SourceForge?
SourceForge allows it. The author wanted to do it. You have the right to not like it but in this case that really doesn't matter.
Dude I don't like the Chinese government but the last think I want to see is coup. It will be bloody.. I mean really bloody. Yes I think the Chinese government needs to be opposed but to do that we need to stop giving them money.
I don't protest much but I sure try to find things not made in China. I hunted long and hard to find a Lawn mower that wasn't made in China. I finally did.
If all people start not buying Chinese goods that will do more than all the ranting and yelling in the world.
And maybe we will see another "velvet revolution" and not a bloody one. Maybe not but I sure can hope for it.
How does it hurt Sourceforge?
Are there that many Chinese contributers?
I really hate politics as a rule but this really is pretty tame and I feel that it is within his rights.
It is his project so big deal he can do what he wants with it. If you don't like it then just done use the program or contribute any code to it.
Heck I don't even like it when protesters try to yell down speakers at political events but this little protest doesn't interfere with anybodies rights.
Actually I am still trying to figure out why I should care more about what an Actor has to say about some political idea than my barber.
I have less of a problem when a hard working programmer puts us a little political statement than when some rich actor with a private jet tells me that I need to cut my carbon foot print:)
Yea right.
There was a KDE program that had a pro us message in the about dialog that got pulled because it was too "political".
In this case it is more the author than must a project leader. IMHO it is his code and his site. If you don't like it write a better program and don't put in any politics.
Nope I was replying to the AC. Just hit the Parent button on my post to see it.
I am not trying to split hairs. But your definition of a computer IS a PC.
Everything is a niche product.
You said that for every Java program there are maybe 10 others that are written in C or C++.
The thing is that those are often the SAME ten in every company.
In the Entprise space there are probably a lot more Java applications than C or C++ applications.
After all there is only one Office, one OpenOffice, one IE, and one Firefox.
Java is ONE BIG HONKING niche product.
"Where are the office apps, games, browsers, IM clients, etc. written in java"
Office apps? They tend to be in offices.
Games... Cell phones.
Browsers? Cell phones.
IM? Cell phones.
There is nothing stopping you from writing an IM client in java. Browsers? The truth is that there are very few of them at all.
If you mean mainstream on the desktop stuff? There are a very few real applications that people use that are mainstream desktop stuff. Most all of those are written in C or C++
"If you classify by unit count, dollar sales figures, or user count, I think you'll find the most used computers in the world are PC class single user systems" .... Every little widget on the planet.... .NET applications.
Nope.
Most people own 1 PC maybe two.
They will also own.
A cell phone "mobile device"
A media player "iPod" embedded.
Maybe a wap. Embedded.
A car . Embedded.
A DVR. Embedded.
Embedded.
PCs are way not the biggest by unit count.
And a lot of work PCs in the enterprise are using Java and or
"Are you nuts? Running a huge JVM on an embedded device?"
You mean like my cell phone?
Or this http://www.arcom.com/devkit-linux-gx533.htm
Or this http://www.jstik.com/
BALONEY.
I am running a java applet right now CPU is at 3%. That is with Firefox and Thunderbird. That is on a pretty old P4 so that is just not true.
As to it being ugly. Not really. With Java 6 under Windows XP it is hard to tell the difference. So you speed with the assurance of someone that pretty much knows nothing.