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gzipped_tar contributed a link to Moonlight Blog, which says that "SourceForge, the world's largest development and download repository of Open Source code and applications, appears to be blocked in Mainland China. The current blocking may be related to the recent anti-China protests of Beijing Olympic Games, which will begin on 8 August. Some days before, a very popular free source code editor in SourceForge named Notepad++ start to boycott Beijing 2008. The project's developer said that the action is not against Chinese people, but against Chinese government's repression against Tibetan unrest earlier in this year. SF.net has once been banned by China in 2002. However, the ban was lifted later in 2003."
gzipped_tar adds: "As a SourceForge user in Beijing, I can confirm this first-hand. I also tried traceroute to sourceforge.net, only to find the connection being dropped at a Beijing ISP's gateway router. It appears that the projects' respective homepages are available even if they are hosted by SF, but the summary and download pages are blocked."
(As you probably know, Slashdot and Sourceforge share a corporate overlord.)
at the DNS entry?
Could you just enter the hex of the IP instead of the DNS name?
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This puzzles me.
I rather like notepad++, and use it constantly. I haven't noticed anything about this.
Mind you, I have been wrapped up in coding and haven't been following the China thing.
A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
... and yes in the "blocking freedom" event, China has already taken the gold!
FLR
Recently I read that people were arrested and/or beaten because they didn't promote the Olympics. Is it strange that the chinese govt blocks EVERYTHING that protests against it?
I can see politics entering a free for all site like Slashdot, but Sourceforge??? While I personally think it's disgusting that China even GOT the Olympics and find their regime and it's actions reprehensible, there are proper forums for such matters. Sourceforge isn't one of them.
If there are posts on Slashdot advocating for the boycott of China and the Olympics, would the government block access to Slashdot?
Yes, this is a test.
Yes, the committee is known for it's tolerance of complaints~
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I heard those lousy pirates in China were downloading files from that site without paying! Another victory in the war against copyright infringement!
Correct me if I'm wrong... but doesn't open source software share some of the same essence as Communism? Everyone working together towards a common goal overseen by a dictator (or Benevolent Dictator for Life in the case of OSS).
Seems to me that China is shooting its own values in the foot.
You DO know what happens in China to people who complain in China, right?
How about the British government? Or the USA's government? All things considered, I don't see how the government most open about their bad behaviour is the one most worthy of this.
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The latest Internet Explorer beta now uses the great firewall of China as a proxy (enabled by default)
I just loaded sourceforge.net from Beijing. Admittedly I'm in a hotel, but my connection appears to otherwise be filtered like all the others I've used in China, so I don't imagine there's anything special about this case.
So, perhaps I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's not really blocked...
I guess I don't understand your comment because you seem to be saying "good riddance!"... but why should the open-source community be happy that a government firewall is fracturing the community?
They win there freedom on a tropical island?
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at the DNS entry?
Could you just enter the hex of the IP instead of the DNS name?
Don't know why i can still download from sourceforge.net, maybe just because i'm using ultravpn. it's like in the emirates where people prevent you to watch porn because you're a bad guyThat was so last century. Now the Chinese simply use their snazzy new mobile execution units.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
who modded me troll, and WHY?
The Olympic Brand is in very serious trouble
It was one project page, notepad++. If a person wants to protest on their own personal project page, that's a perfect place to do it.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
If they ban us from the first olympic video games we are totally screwed
"Silly ChiComms never learn, Napalm(TM) sticks to kids!"
I agree
The olympics is one of the few things the entire world does together, regardless of ethnicity. People all over the world work hard to compete in them, and despite the competition between each other the entire world works towards one goal.This is a tradition that can be dated back to the time of the Romans.
In a sort of way it unifies everyone, and I find it stupid that anyone would boycott such an event because of their own beliefs. If you have a problem with what the government is doing then do something more political. What really is going to come out of boycotting the Olympics? Do you think the freaken government is going to go "Oh you're right, we're sorry now", or do you think the government will repay the people? It's not going to happen that way, I'm sure.
You just end up sounding like an ass, in my opinion.
Hey, what's next? Should we all boycott the One Laptop Per Child group?
... but why should the open-source community be happy that a government firewall is fracturing the community? I cannot be bothered anymore by patent issues from the USA or the great firewall in China. If someone doesn't like it, please get your migration card or vote for another president... Time is better spend in coding something useful. If the government things that I cannot access my favorite site anymore *HELL YES* I would move.Support Eachother, Copy Dutch Property!
A week ago I sent the following email to Don HO, creator of Notepad++. It's germane to this discussion, so I'll post it:
Have you boycotted all US olympics since 1983 because they have refused to recognize the sovereignty of Hawaii, a belief expressed by modern-day scholar and Hawaiian Native daughter Haunani-Kay Trask?
The reality of Tibet is that the Dalai Lama's brand of Bhuddism[sic] is more seeded in feudalism than freedom. You would do well to read the following: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
If you were at the bottom of the current hierarchical system in tibet, perhaps you would see things differently. If the dalai lama were a true change-agent for the oppressed, he would work toward changing this caste-like system and instructing his slaves that bring him his dinner or wash his toilet to go out and wash the toilet of the less fortunate. I certainly have much more respect for Haunani-Kay Trask who believes in equal freedom for all her native people than I do for the [recursively]-anointed Dalai Lama.
America likes to disseminate propaganda, and they have are the leading voice when it comes to communism. Anytime they can take a swipe at China they will do so, even though China has a strict non-intervention foreign-policy when it comes to military (compare that to US bases in over 50 countries). Read Bill Blum's Killing Hope for a real eye opener.
Regardless of all this, if you still chose to believe what you want to believe, you aren't offending chinese, you're offending the olympians who have trained their whole life and are thinking to themselves, "What can I do? Why are all these people so upset?" It isn't good karma, but hey, do what you want.
The olympics should bring unity. Not division.
Thanks for reading, and thanks for your [passion], honesty, sincerity, and generosity with notepad++ and all that you do. It's nice to see someone who really cares about other people.
cheers!
Ed
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I like to keep abreast of IT issues I like this site for reference. I'm not an expert or a blogger, but have a daughter living in China, who recently started having problems with gmail and chat. Her issues are on and off and the Great Firewall seems to be heating up once again. The good side is as soon as a site is blocked someone finds a work around and as the great communities such as this one get the message out on how to deal with it. Their voices will not be stopped!! technology has made that possible!
...it's a pitty the Chinese have no oil but nukes?
I'm tempted to put up pro-Tibet / anti-Chinese government things on my website just so they block me. Maybe it will help cut down on hacker attempts and spam email.
Spread a good message and hinder the jerks.. it's win-win if you ask me.
My work's IT blocks it because "IT does not want employees to be dowloading freeware/shareware". Of course, this means that we're forced to set up a proxy or download the same programs from less reliable sources.
Regardless of how you feel about Tibet, everybody should just boycott the Olympics if only for all this censorship.
I work for a webhosting company. So many of our Chinese customers have started having their sites blocked by the Great Firewall. I'd guess that the chinese government, like all makers of censorware, just goes overboard. For some reason, you can have someone make a blacklist that only blocks the worst of sites - browsing the web in China must be comparable to using the internet in a US High school.
I'm not sure what these sites got blocked for - they're all written in Chinese.
> Some days before, a very popular free source code editor in SourceForge named Notepad++ start to boycott Beijing 2008.
How does a source code editor "boycott" something?
(Seriously -- I have no clue what the poster is trying to say here.)
Also, compounding my confusion, the grammar makes no sense. Is the word "start" supposed to be "started" or something?
I'm uninstalling Notepad++ until the author bans all countries that do bad things.
Oh wait a minute...
The code can be a bitch too.
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Very sad. Olympic tourism is way down. Might be a grand show, but no one may watch it.
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How often do I have to say it ? To hell with the Chinese government. They punish their own, then expect us to shake their hand and play nice ? They promised the IOC things would change for the better, then days after they secured the 2008 events, they turned around and bragged about how they were going to eliminate the Falun Gong movement, the Dalai Lama and the muslim separatists. So why the fuck are we still letting them host the olympics ? Does no one remember Moscow 1980 ?
I've boycotted Chinese IP ranges for years, and I'm boycotting the Beijing Olympics. What that country needs is a coup d'état, and the Chinese people need to know the rest of the world will take side with them when the walls fall.
Every nation is guilty of crimes against humanity, but at least the others have the decency to bow their heads and lie about it. The Chinese gov't parades around, flaunting their total disregard for equality. I don't see why we should tolerate it.
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I wish the US would just completely firewall China out. No useful email or websites come from there. The only things that ever come across the internet from China are spam, worms, viruses, and malware.
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Yeah, kill one million people in Iraq, that's how US gov't stands for the ideal of freedom.
By the very principals governing the organization of open source projects, even for the anarchists, this instance of some members of one project acting and causing the entirety of source forge to be blocked is absolutely inappropriate. It is a clearly communicated and clearly known policy that has instituted the block, so all actions leading to the violation of that policy were directed at causing that block. Those people have have decided to take from the other projects had no authority to do so.
Maybe the Chinese didn't contribute to your project because they were offended by your poor grammar - shouldn't it be called SpeakChineseWell? Maybe it's supposed to be irony...
The name was thought of by the Chinese project leader... next question.
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Oh the humanity...
What the Notepad++ author does violates SF.net rules. It is clearly mentioned in the documentation that you are not allowed to use the services provided by sourceforge to promote political causes.
They are for software development ONLY.
And that's a sensible rule, otherwise SF might end up hosting more political propaganda than open source software, because most projects never get anywhere but everyone has an opinion.
Other problems are issues like this. Certain political statements are downright illegal in many countries, and that includes a region of the world were a very large part of the SF.net dev community is located: the European Union.
Websites which contain "hate speech" might be blocked and might even face criminal persecution.
E.g hosting a website which states that the holocaust might be hoax = jail.
Any chance that someone would like to suggest a way to get by this? It's most certainly blocked from here in northern China...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/ts_nm/olympics_mosque_dc
China demolishes mosque for not supporting Olympics: group
Mon Jun 23, 3:56 AM ET
BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese authorities in the restive far western region of Xinjiang have demolished a mosque for refusing to put up signs in support of this August's Beijing Olympics, an exiled group said on Monday.
The mosque was in Kalpin county near Aksu city in Xinjiang's rugged southwest, the World Uyghur Congress said.
The spokesman's office of the Xinjiang government said it had no immediate comment, while telephone calls to the county government went answered.
"China is forcing mosques in East Turkistan to publicize the Beijing Olympics to get the Uighur people to support the Games (but) this has been resisted by the Uighurs," World Uyghur Congress spokesman Dilxat Raxit said in an emailed statement.
Beijing says al Qaeda is working with militants in Xinjiang to use terror to establish an independent state called East Turkistan.
Oil-rich Xinjiang is home to 8 million Turkic-speaking Uighurs, many of whom resent the growing economic and cultural influence of the Han Chinese.
Dilxat Raxit added that the mosque, which had been renovated in 1998, was accused of illegally renovating the structure, carrying out illegal religious activities and illegally storing copies of the Muslim holy book the Koran.
"All the Korans in the mosque have been seized by the government and dozens of people detained," he said. "The detained Uighurs have been tortured."
The Olympic torch relay passed through Xinjiang last week under tight security, with all but carefully vetted residents banned from watching on the streets and tight controls over foreign media covering the event.
(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)
(For more stories visit our multimedia website "Road to Beijing" at http://www.reuters.com/news/sports/2008olympics; and see our blog at http://blogs.reuters.com/china)
I think that banning the entirety of SourceForge.net because they have an issue with statements made by one of our projects is like killing a fly with a garage door. The URLs at SF.net are not that hard to parse.
Clearly, the Notepad++ admins accept the risks of making the statement that they make, and they think it's worth it. Would the other 180,000 project admins make the same choice? Should the Chinese community really be denied access to all of the other projects? I guess all I'm saying is that *if* China is going to censor, perhaps they could be a bit more selective.
I know what you're thinking: "Doesn't that mean SourceForge.net should be more strict about removing political statements from project data to protect access for everyone in China?" Some people might think that's a reasonable thing to do. But what then? If, for example, Microsoft decides to make IE stop working with SourceForge.net because they find anti-Microsoft sentiment on the site, should we censor that, too? Not if I have anything to do with it...
(Disclaimer: I represent SourceForge.net, but this post is just my opinion.)
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Er, there's nothing ungrammatical about "speak good Chinese". "Good" is an adjective there, modifying the noun "Chinese"; "good Chinese" is what comes out of your mouth when you correctly apply the rules of the Chinese language.
If there is a problem with that name, it's semantic, not syntactic: one might argue that a person who speaks "bad Chinese" isn't really speaking Chinese at all, but their own language that sounds similar to Chinese.
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...Even though the notepad++ is great on its own, it was this particular event that landed them a donation from me. I figure any small open source product that can get a whole -- hugely useful -- web site banned in China is easily worth a few bucks.
Well then why not trying to defeat china by its own weapons, and let it cut itself /.), but this should stop most attacks on western government run machines.
/. should be blocked within seconds, no chinising of /. anymore
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off the net(or even blocking
here it comes
a.) Free Tibet
b.) down with the one-party-system
c.) democracy for china
d.) back to communism
e.) Tienamen == red place of Bejing
f.) Nukes for Taiwan
g.) Nukes in Taiwan
Now
Post this on your site and you will not suffer chinise hackers
and now some terms to be blocked from the U.S.
a.) Chavez our hero
b.)
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1. Those people who are in charge of GFW have pig heads with full load of shit, as always
2. Not a wise move for N++'s coders neither. I have to say when I saw the black flag banner in their website, I feel very uncomfortable. They said the protest is not against Chinese people but Chinese government. However the banner works in exactly opposite way. Considering how most Chinese still keep enthusiasm welcoming foreigners to Olympics after the earthquake, boycating it because of the irrelevant Tibet issue is rather annoying. The Olympics is not for Chinese government, but a carnival for our Chinese people. If you don't like Chinese government, protest something else but please don't use the Olympics.
You sir, are a moron.
ALOT of great coders do come out from asian countries. In fact the entire java AXIS2 libraries is contributed and maintained by INDIAN coders.
So yes, I know it suck to be ignorant, but please learn that just because you see some "funny" characters on mailing list doesn't mean that those written in english isn't from asia.
I agree that China is very bad when it comes to freedom, and that the country would have been better off if the Coomunist Party hadn't turned on the revolutionary partners they had in overthrowing the Monarchy. However, China hasn't had free thought in probably a millenia or more.
You cannot use European filtered glasses and understand the Chinese mind (although there were visionaries in China during the revolution). Sure, there are many enlightened Chinese now, but life in China is still much the way it has been for over a thousand years (altough probably better for many and worse for some). Freedom is a new concept in China, not even a hundred years old. I think over all, they aren't doing too bad for a people just discovering free thought. Japan too struggles with this foreign concept. In Japan it is still often "the nail that sticks out that gets hammered down". Whereas, in many European cultures, "the nail that sticks out" often gets pulled out to see how it works (although, from what I read - the younger generation in Japan has made the transition).
So, while we should continue to pursue a path to bring China and the other freedom denying countries into the light, one should try to keep a mind on the cultural heritage and other other factors when approaching them.
In the end, free thinking will win out, because it open up many more avenues than any other mind set. Of course with free-thinking, I think you also get more crime. It's all Yin-Yang in the end. Eventually there will be a tipping point and a cascade event in China, much like I think Japan has recently undergone.
Of course, I could be totally wrong.
To get to Sourceforge you need to install TOR; but to install TOR you need to get to Sourceforge? Sounds like an impossible mission, Starfighter.
Les Miserables Volume 1 now up with my reading of
Might as well throw in my $0.02
If Beijing Olympics is boycottable, then we should have boycotted the Salt Lake Olympics, the Sydney Olympic, the Atlanta Olympics,...
North America and Australia were the Tibets of the world 200 years ago.
Some posters here either have deficient long term memory, or have convenient selective memory, or are just douchebags a la Richard Gere.
Umm...change plz...;-)
Boycotting Beijing Olympics is against Chinese people coz every Chinese wants the Games are held in China. The only reason that you boycott the Beijing Olympics is You are not a Chinese. Stupid Americans!!
Cheat Chinese people, cheat all the people in China. The GOV wants to do it, and we can do nothing. Like fucking a girl, the girl just can enjoy, but not revolt.
Liars. All of them. Liars only after attention.
Thanks for the flame A. Coward, I hope you can contact me under your normal account, I'll send you the mailinglists that get my special attention, and where I base my (bad) judgment on.
You say that the entire AXIS2 libraries are maintained by INDIAN coders, now I don't want to be a smartass but looking at the team I see some pretty non-Indian sounding names out there. (It is probably pointless to say that I am avoiding Java as much as I can, and didn't notice this effort. It might also be true that I'm avoiding Apache as much as I can, but that is offtopic here)
Refering to the 'funny' characters that was refering to footnotes and 'names' in the from field. Now you mentioned a project an Indian university works on, do you also have a big sourceforge project that is ran by lets say 'a Chinese university'? Just to add them to my radar...
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The Internet should be a medium for the freedom of expression, not repression. China's censorship helps conceal ongoing human rights abuses. http://uncensor.com.au/uncensor/
It would be so much easier to develop software if it wasn't for those damn users...
This happens with youtube and other sites all the time, someone can't access a certain popular website in china and suddenly everyone thinks its been blocked. However, most of the time its not because the site has been added to the great firewall but because one of the ISPs is having problems.
The reporter on this Reuters piece, Ben Blanchard, has lived and worked in China for many years and is widely regarded in China as one of the best of his generation in terms of China expertise. He speaks Mandarin fluently and reads and writes both traditional and simplified.
No one, including China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has ever suggested that he is "anti-China" not biased against either China or its government.
A dream is good. A plan is better.
Just put some of the ultra-banned words where they are sent with every reply and watch the GFW bury them in RST packets. You just have to figure out a way to do that to their mail - and hope they don't use botnets.
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"Some days before, a very popular free source code editor in SourceForge named Notepad++ start to boycott Beijing 2008."
. . . editor . . . start . . . ?
Regards, -- Chris Johansen
yah, "an exiled group said"; and Reuters did not bother to check with a single different source.
I guess if the al Qaeda group claimed something, the news title will be different
The so called World Uyghur Congress is a terrorist organization, with links to Al Qaeda.
Hmm, why does this ring a bell?
Sourceforge ... check. ... check. ... check.
Windows-only 'open source' application
Lots of publicity
Hmm.
http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/community.mspx
"SourceForge.net is the world's largest open source software development Web site, providing more than 160,000 projects and over 1,700,000 registered users with a centralized resource for managing projects, issues, communications, and code. With over 70,000 of those projects based on Microsoft technology, SourceForge.net and Microsoft have worked together to provide the tools, programs and resources to help developers be more successful. Learn more..."
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/infotech/view/20080624-144528/Microsoft-to-developers-Open-source-is-a-choice
"Dela Cruz noted that within the SourceForge developer community, there are more than 77,000 listed applications that support Windows, more than half the same number of apps that work on Windows alone."
http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/choice.mspx
"By embracing diverse application development and business models, Microsoft provides a world of choice in which individuals and organizations can pursue their goals based on what uniquely inspires them. Whether you are a developer who wants to learn new skills, connect with the community, or build a business-or a systems administrator dealing with complex interoperability and business demands-Microsoft participates in an ecosystem that offers you the tools, resources, and programs to help you succeed."
Coincidence? Probably.
Ahh, it's all about choice now. Choice of where you want to run your applications, so long as it runs on windows anyway.
I'm sure we'll be seeing more of that word over the next 6 months, and plenty of times on the front page of slashdot and sourceforge to boot.
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Free Tibet? Give me a break. Free Hawaii first before you shout for Free Tibet. Read up on how Hawaii was annexed by the US, how the language and culture of the polynesian inhabitants were eradicated, suppressed or bastardized. Read up how immigrants outnumber the natives and how the natives were pushed out of their ancestral lands. Does all this sounds familiar?
Mainland China?!? Taiwan is NOT a part of China!
So this means that chinese companies can't abuse GPL'ed projects anymore for profit?
Maybe we could insert a "free Tibet" meta-tag in ever page served over the internet, just to spite them.
One application, which it is likely that most Chinese people don't use, is causing nearly all users of the internet in China to be blocked from a wonderful source of software that many more Chinese and foreigners alike will use.
No, the Chinese Government is being silly. They are the ones who instigated the block, not sourceforge. They are the ones who are depriving chinese Internet users of a wonderful resource. Take it up with them. Protest. Sign petitions. Take up arms. Whatever. Don't blame us for the censorious policies of a foreign government.
.. .and let people live their lives
Just because something is unknown does not mean it is difficult, necessarily. With 885 million native speakers, I imagine that Mandarin (I'm assuming that's the variety used in code) is not rocket surgery.
Mod me down but why the f*** people use this line like a fashion, huh? Stop being naive or pretending to be naive.
Government and people are one unit, God damn it! If a government is really f***'ed up, its people will rise and overthrow it; on the other hand, if nothing happens, that means the people support the government (or at least not against it to a point where uprising occurs). That simple. Don't give me the bull about brainwash, if people as a whole are so easily brainwash-able, maybe so called democracy is a big brainwash as well. ^_^
The U.S. government doing evil things in Iraq is because Bush directed it so; Bush doing evil things in Iraq is because the American people elected him and don't have the guts to pull him down, or maybe we don't think he's that bad, and killing several hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is bad so..hm...which one is it?
So at least be gutsy enough just say, "China and Chinese people, screw you", if you really believe in it.
The Dala Lama claims he wants to keep Tibetan peoples' culture and he is opposed to them becoming the minority. Look at the US, multiculturalism is forced down our throats, and if we complain, yep, we are racists. Look who is becoming the minority in the US. I am not saying that the cruelty towards Tibetans is acceptable, what I am saying is that there was an out cry when a large percentage of outsiders started migrating there, but hey we are forced to just accept it. Ofcourse I will be flamed, but hey I see things for how they are. Flame on.
We all have the freedom to express our ideas, of course; but sometimes I really wish they wouldn't. This kind of demonstration is silly - it doesn't even qualify for an emotionally charged expletive, it's just silly. I mean, all that comes out of this is that they get banned for a while, like naughty school children, and rightly so. If you imagine you sympathise with Tibet, how on Earth is it going to help them that we insult the Chinese leaders?
It's like that other daft gesture of "I don't want to play with you anymore, ever" - when high ranking American officials started calling the French names, like you would imagine primary school children. All it does is make people feel embarrassed about knowing you; as well as taking the attention away from more serious issues. Such as the problems in Tibet.
As a Chinese, I don't like the Olympic games. But the majority of those who boycott Beijing 2008 haven't been in Tibet and don't know there well. Why not go there and help those poor people to have a better life? They are simply anti-Chinese.
...to spare the Chinese from this sorry hackneyed excuse for a web portal.
Open letter to anyone boycotting the olympics. I'd love to hear your opinions:
Have you boycotted all US olympics since 1983 because they have refused to recognize the sovereignty of Hawaii, a belief expressed by modern-day scholar and Hawaiian Native daughter Haunani-Kay Trask?
(this is just one example, obviously no country's hands are clean, except maybe the poorest, and they never hold the olympics....)
The reality of Tibet is that the Dalai Lama's brand of Bhuddism is more seeded in feudalism than freedom. You would do well to read the following: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
If you were at the bottom of the current hierarchical system in tibet, perhaps you would see things differently. If the dalai lama were a true change-agent for the oppressed, he would work toward changing this caste-like system and instructing his slaves that bring him his dinner or wash his toilet to go out and wash the toilet of the less fortunate. I certainly have much more respect for Haunani-Kay Trask who believes in equal freedom for all her native people than I do for the recursively-anointed Dalai Lama.
America likes to disseminate propaganda, and they have are the leading voice when it comes to communism. Anytime they can take a swipe at China they will do so, even though China has a strict non-intervention foreign-policy when it comes to military (compare that to US bases in over 50 countries). Read Bill Blum's Killing Hope for a real eye opener.
Regardless of all this, if you still chose to believe what you want to believe, you aren't offending chinese, you're offending the olympians who have trained their whole life and are thinking to themselves, "What can I do? Why are all these people so upset?" It isn't good karma, but hey, do what you want.
The olympics should bring unity. Not division.
Thanks for reading, and thanks for your passion, honesty, sincerity, and generosity. It's nice to see someone who really cares about other people.
During the last period anybody has clearly seen that the Olympic games are strongly related to politics. Though this has been denied for a long time, and probably still is, by the IOC.
I think it cannot been denied that Open Source Software is not related to politics, as well.
Just because all Open Source Software is based on the human right of freedom of speech and expression.
Of course, as a developer of a OSS project, I'd prefer to stay politically neutral. Nowadays I think such a banner is a good idea. Especially because China is using OSS intensively and is making profit of it!
Therefore, I ask any developer of OSS licenced software to include such a banner on the web pages of his Open Source Software project.
I found it very offensive to take such kind of reckless actions on a website which means to be shared by all open source developers and users. I have written to the Notepad ++ team and request them to remove the action. If they feel they must boycott, there are tons of places for them to do so. I will bring this to the attention of SF.net administrators if they don't repsond in a timely manner.
I've just tried it now, and it's accessible. Long time China writer and rocker Kaiser Kuo made some interesting points in his keynote speech at the TWEEN conference regarding Chinese and western ideas of the Chinese internet.
Free software would seem to mesh very well with the supposed ideals of communism. Here we've got a community working hard to create something for the common good instead of personal gain and what does China do? Shut them out. Nah, I'm not really surprised.
I wouldn't put too much bet on the story even though maybe the reporter is good, because he basically copied the whole story from another source, i.e., the so called World Uyghur Congres.
No, it's not rocket science. In fact the spoken language is fairly simple with no verb tenses or genders and the grammar has many similarities to English. Learning the thousands of characters is a bitch though. It can be done, but it requires dedication.
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
China, so far, has not blocked any addresses starting with https
https://sourceforge.net
Hi guys:
I hate being involved into political discussion. But as a Chinese I'm really upset and sad to see your up-rise of anti-China, in a so-called free open source community. I'm not Olympic fan, I'm not a member of CPC, and of course I'm not brain-washed by any governments as you might have naively thought.
Before coming to Canada, I thought in the same way as you are thinking about China right now. But you know what, now I'm totally changed by what happened recently, and by what I have found in West. So if I was brain-washed, I should have been brain-washed by West, not by my own country. Tell you one thing, the "GFW" also exists in Canada. When I was going to read news on a China website, my connection is reset immediately as I open the article by Canada network. You don't know it because you never found it out. Got what I mean? Then why you didn't find it out? Think about it !
I also hate the blocking thing on Internet access, of course including what GFW has been doing. But I don't want this leads to anti-China activities. It's true that there are tons of problems China government is facing and waiting to deal with (every country has their problems), but they're indeed improving it as they've been claiming, I know it because I've been there for 25 years. I don't like that doesn't mean I will protest the government (reasons in the followed paragraph). Yes for sure, I complain of it. But this has nothing to do with the "Tibet" issue as you are relating it to.
There WAS NO crack down on Tibet. If you anti-China only for this reason, I don't blame you. But I suggest you to investigate it more before you come to the conclusion. Find the truth by yourself. Most of those people who boycott Olympics due to Tibet violence don't even know where the Tibet is. Then how dare you criticize China of the things you have even no idea about it at all. You don't understand what Chinese people were going through. If you really want to know what's really happening there, go to China and find it out yourself, just like me, coming to West world to find the truth. Chinese people know that there are lots of complaints about the governments (no body denies that). But we know there is no better option right now (there is no perfect government in the world) for country's good. China has a large population to manage and is still under development. For a country, it has good reasons to leverage on many factors to make decisions considering economy, culture, internationalization, etc. Chinese people have the spirits to sacrifice the part of individual loss to push the country to develop, do you? That's because we have different cultures living in different world. Chinese are one family, as we are always claiming!
There are too many misunderstandings on freedom or human rights between China and West. Western people are always accusing China of human rights as your forever excuse, but never think about the issues in your country. If you can do this to China, does that mean we can protest US and claims to destroy the US country for their killings of thousands of innocent people in middle East. Can anybody say that they are free and have rights to kill people and initiate the Wars to any countries they don't like? If you insists on "free Tibet", does that mean we can also protest US and claims to free America, and we also can free Canada, drive all the immigrants back to their own country and return the soil to the native people.
Yes, there are some problems with human rights in China, I agree with you (every country does), if you are thinking in your western way. But from my point of view, human rights should be evaluated in the CONTEXT of this country. Don't ignore the China's situation if you really know about China well! You can not force every country to be the same as you, you are not POLICE on the earth! We know our country China very well, do you? In your country, what you see is really not "what you see"!! You are so luckily living in a rich country, so that you don't want to find the information b
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I hate being involved into political discussion. But as a Chinese I'm really upset and sad to see your up-rise of anti-China, in a so-called free open source community. I'm not Olympic fan, I'm not a member of CPC, and of course I'm not brain-washed by any governments as you might have naively thought.
Before coming to Canada, I thought in the same way as you are thinking about China right now. But you know what, now I'm totally changed by what happened recently, and by what I have found in West. So if I was brain-washed, I should have been brain-washed by West, not by my own country. Tell you one thing, the "GFW" also exists in Canada. When I was going to read news on a China website, my connection is reset immediately as I open the article by Canada network. You don't know it because you never found it out. Got what I mean? Then why you didn't find it out? Think about it !
I also hate the blocking thing on Internet access, of course including what GFW has been doing. But I don't want this leads to anti-China activities. It's true that there are tons of problems China government is facing and waiting to deal with (every country has their problems), but they're indeed improving it as they've been claiming, I know it because I've been there for 25 years. I don't like that doesn't mean I will protest the government (reasons in the followed paragraph). Yes for sure, I complain of it. But this has nothing to do with the "Tibet" issue as you are relating it to.
There WAS NO crack down on Tibet. If you anti-China only for this reason, I don't blame you. But I suggest you to investigate it more before you come to the conclusion. Find the truth by yourself. Most of those people who boycott Olympics due to Tibet violence don't even know where the Tibet is. Then how dare you criticize China of the things you have even no idea about it at all. You don't understand what Chinese people were going through. If you really want to know what's really happening there, go to China and find it out yourself, just like me, coming to West world to find the truth. Chinese people know that there are lots of complaints about the governments (no body denies that). But we know there is no better option right now (there is no perfect government in the world) for country's good. China has a large population to manage and is still under development. For a country, it has good reasons to leverage on many factors to make decisions considering economy, culture, internationalization, etc. Chinese people have the spirits to sacrifice the part of individual loss to push the country to develop, do you? That's because we have different cultures living in different world. Chinese are one family, as we are always claiming!
There are too many misunderstandings on freedom or human rights between China and West. Western people are always accusing China of human rights as your forever excuse, but never think about the issues in your country. If you can do this to China, does that mean we can protest US and claims to destroy the US country for their killings of thousands of innocent people in middle East. Can anybody say that they are free and have rights to kill people and initiate the Wars to any countries they don't like? If you insists on "free Tibet", does that mean we can also protest US and claims to free America, and we also can free Canada, drive all the immigrants back to their own country and return the soil to the native people.
Yes, there are some problems with human rights in China, I agree with you (every country does), if you are thinking in your western way. But from my point of view, human rights should be evaluated in the CONTEXT of this country. Don't ignore the China's situation if you really know about China well! You can not force every country to be the same as you, you are not POLICE on the earth! We know our country China very well, do you? In your country, what you see is really not "what you see"!! You are so luckily living in a rich country, so that you don't want to find the information by yourself, you o
Well,.. sourceforge is blacklisted now. Maybe because of the action on the notepad++ site, giving this moron exactly what he was hoping for.
The idiot blocking sourceforge is doing about the same amount of damage to China as the cultural revolution, and I actually suspect some thick bride to be involved from the Warlords of Industry that run the MS show in China. Only a traitor to the Chinese people can cook up such a measure as to block the single largest resource of knowledge on the internet.
As to the communist nature of China,.. well,.. I guess US Rednecks are commies too then. Totalitarian and combining Friedmans capitalism if anything. Nothing communist about this regime but the name I'm afraid. Equality certainly isn't practice here. If you have money you can bride your way out of anything just like the states.