But the truth it I don't find it all that elegant. It is a rectangle white one one side and shinny metal on the other. Yea it doesn't clash with anything but I don't find it out of this world. The audio jack is on the bottom of my nano. Really annoying because it have to stick it in my pocket upside down to have enough lead on my ear buds. The UI is nice but it is hard to use in the dark. I use my IPod when I am out walking my dog at night so that lack of tactile feedback is really a pain. The elegance of the iPod as reached mythic levels. It is good but far from perfect.
The Zune 80 will come with a component out. With that the Zune could become a portable HD player. Unless you are going to put some really powerful hardware decoders on the Zune the simple truth is that a Zune just doesn't have the power to decode HD content. Too bad I could see the Zune killing both Blue-Ray and HD-DVD. Video stores and kiosks could just squirt HD content to a Zune and then you take it home and plug it in. Probably not technically practical right now.
No worse than iPod. Sounds like something you use to keep your prosthetic eye in. I mean if you are going to bash the Zune bash it for all one of the many logical reasons. Lack of a wireless musical store. DRMed to Death. Doesn't support Microsoft's own Play for Sure content.
"Because Poland and Russia is purely GSM. I should know, I live here..." "So I did...and ONE city has CDMA." So you where wrong. Purely implies that only GSM is available and you called him a troll, liar, and or an idiot that didn't know what his phone could and could not do. Is it so hard to admit that you where wrong? Or even to apologize for being insulting? He was right and you where incorrect. He could and probably did go to your country and use a CDMA phone.
Yes the SIM card is a great feature of CDMA phones. But it isn't tied to GSM for any technical reason. There is no technical reason why CDMA phones couldn't have a SIM card. UMTS is in fact much closer technically to CDMA than GSM. CDMA provides for more bandwidth then GSM does and is growing in popularity. My post was mainly about how people in Europe tend to be very Europe centric when it comes GSM. They are under the impression that it is a Standard every where in the world but the US. I was just trying to point out that GSM wasn't anymore of a world standard than GSM. And yes I can take you places in the US where you probably couldn't get a signal on your GSM phone but where I could get a signal with my CDMA phone. None of them would be in a major city and I am sure I might find places where there was GSM coverage and not CDMA. The US like Russia, Canada, and Australia still has some big empty spaces.
"I think your point about GSM only being for Europe is very much wrong. " I never said that GSM was only for Europe. I said that it is only a standard in Europe. There is a difference between the two. GSM is available in many places as is CDMA. CDMA seems to be technically better since UTMS is based on CDMA. I was more commenting on the idea that GSM is a World Standard when in reality it is mainly a standard in Europe and from what I hear Africa.
Best spin ever. Boxed OS sales for Windows are limited typically two groups in the US. 1. Those that build there own PCs 2. Those that must have the latest upgrade. Maybe laptops are a HUGE percentage of PC sales in Japan. Almost nobody builds those. Then you have the must have the latest. Well they have already bought Vista when it first hit the market. I am sure that Apple is doing well in Japan but this is all hype.
Not really. There are a lot of Smartphones on the market that offer more features than the iPhone today. When the SDK comes out that may change. The iPhone is only available from AT&T and lacks high speed. Android may be a big winner. It may not. The iPhone my fad because other cheaper phones replace it. I am looking at getting a new phone soon and so is my wife. It isn't going to an iPhone. I was looking at the new Palm but it lacks voice dialing and GPS. I was looking at the MotoQ but it lacks GPS. I really want a smartphone that has GPS, voice dialing, and is available on the Sprint network. I don't like Verizon because cripple their phones so you have to get some of there services. Thinks like not allowing FTP or OBEX bluetooth when the phones support it. And they put their own slow BREW software on the phones. So hopefully in two years when I am ready for a new phone I will have some better choices.
"Texas Instruments' OMAP processors, which enable a single-chip world phone (GSM/EDGE/GPRS)" Funny how that is a "world" phone. GSM is only a standard for Europe. In North American you have both GSM and CDMA, Korea is mostly CDMA and I think Japan is also uses a lot of CDMA. Also Sprint is one of the carriers that is involved in this and they only do CDMA.
I am no fan of.net. Heck I have to admit that I haven't written anything in Mono. I do use some apps that are written in Mono and they do seem to work just fine. Java I have used. The programs I wrote where not half assed. One could really only be written in Java. One is used to manage our tech support calls with Postgresql as the back end I use C++ for embedded development. I am using Linux for the OS and I have total control over the hardware that it will run on. For that Application I really need the speed and low level access of C++. I use Eclipse.org for my IDE. Eclipse.org is a Java application and it runs really well on my X23800 Linux box. But for applications that run on a phone I can see clear benefits to using a VM based language and Java is a pretty good language. Before you blast Java maybe you should fire up the Android SDK and emulator and see what the performance is like? Take a look at all the software available for the Blackberry. It isn't the limited device that you think it is and is loved by it's users. It also seems to be pretty dang stable.
I find the idea of a "typical" Walmart shopper to be really dumb. A lot of people shop at Walmart. I go to Walmart to buy mulch and compost for my garden at Walmart. My local WalMart sells "Earthwise" mulch and compost that is made by a local company. They are in fact a very echo friendly company and locally owned. So why shouldn't I buy a green local product from Walmart? These boxes are a great example. I think it would make a good NAS for your home. Just load in FreeNAS or Openfiler.
"But your reasoning is based on egocentric modeling, if you were unable to detect ** unknowingly ** the bugs in your own neural hardware, no amount of reason would save you because it's a hardware problem." But I can know that I don't know everything and that some things that some things that I feel are true are opinion and that I lack total proof of it. I do think that reason is a struggle but I feel that it is worth it just as long we don't delude ourselves that we have a perfect knowledge and capacity for reasoning.
And the Blackberry uses Java and works just fine. In fact I would bet that most people would claim that it is a better smartphone than most Mindows Mobile devices. And then you have the example of Palm. They are still living with emulation the 68000.dragonball on the ARM,
"Instead, it will either be limited to low-end cripplephones, will turn good hardware into a low-end cripplephone, and no matter what has zero chance of outperforming Windows Mobile in terms of UI responsiveness and such. (Which is sad because that should be easy to do, it's just not possible with the bloated horse-designed-by-committed nightmare known as Java.) " I would say the BlackBerry blows that away.
"Oh wait, they're all ARM devices! Windows Mobile does just fine using native code. I was hoping that this would have the native code performance advantages of Windows Mobile, but with an improved UI, open architecture, and speed improvements."
And the Palm shows that could be a problem in the future.
I am a big fan of reasoning. The problem is when reasoning becomes ones faith. All to often I have seen this line of reasoning. I am ruled by reason. Everything I believe is based on reason. So everyone that doesn't believe what I do is unreasonable or stupid.
It never crosses these peoples minds that they might have incomplete data, or that what they think of as a fact is really nothing more than opinion. As I have said before all too often I see people loose the ability to separate fact from their own opinion.
Not a lot more. You would still code to the API you would need the basic IO library and of course any utility libraries that the programmer adds for the most part you would be coding to the API. Okay coding in C++ and using STL may put a bit of a burden on you but probably not as much you would would think.
A basic, ruby, python, fortran, pascal, or c compiler doesn't have to require any more resources than writing in java. The compiler just generates java byte code instead of the native instruction set for the CPU. This website lists a lot of JVM languages http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html
I don't think so. What really drives me crazy is that people have seem to have lost the ability to know the difference between opinion and fact. But that is just my opinion so take for what it is worth.
Well if they water was shallow enough to sit on the bottom. Truth is they could just run at creep speed on electric and wait for them to come to them as you said. What bothers me is the Navy is going to retire the S-3 in about 6 months and the P-3 replacement is still no where to be seen.
"The shuttle was nothing but an attempt to appease the moronic treehuggers by creating the illusion of "recycleable" craft, even though (1) the difference in price between launching a shuttle and a light rocket could pay for reducing emissions in other areas that would bring much greater net benefit to the ecology, and (2) consuming the fuckton of fuel to launch a heavy-ass shuttle that carries two people negates any "cleanliness" achieved by just throwing 75% of the shuttle (boosters go, remember?) instead of the ~95% when rocket goes, capsule comes." No you are totally wrong. The idea behind the shuttle was that it would be cheaper to fly a craft over and over than two throw it away. You don't throw away a ship when it gets to port and you don't throw away an airliner when you get to your airport. You load it back up with fuel and you fly it again. The original designs for the shuttle might have actually pulled that off but where too expensive to develop. The Shuttle might have be a premature jump from the conestoga wagon mentality to the DC-3 but it wasn't inspired by "moronic tree huggers"
Here is a good example of what I consider stupid. Thinking that ones political opinion is fact. I am sick of both parties and all the "independents" as well. I have heard that people claim that Clinton was immoral, but I have never heard anyone say he was stupid. The real truth is it is very unlikely that you can be "stupid" and be elected president. Those that call Bush stupid are just as wrong. Stupid people can not fly a jet fighter which he did or graduate from Yale which he did. You may not like Bush or Clinton or in my case you may dislike them both but to dismiss ether one as stupid is foolish.
Bigger problem is who decides what is stupid? All too often on Slashdot people actually believe that "Smart==Thinks like me" and "Stupid==Doesn't think like me"
Using Java doesn't cause lock you into a single language. The JVM could be targeted by any number of languages all you need is a compiler that will output the correct bytecode. Going with a JVM is the only logical way to go with this kind of system. You don't want the end user to have to compile the application for their phone and yow don't want to have recompile a for each new cell phone that hits the market.
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But the truth it I don't find it all that elegant.
It is a rectangle white one one side and shinny metal on the other. Yea it doesn't clash with anything but I don't find it out of this world.
The audio jack is on the bottom of my nano. Really annoying because it have to stick it in my pocket upside down to have enough lead on my ear buds.
The UI is nice but it is hard to use in the dark. I use my IPod when I am out walking my dog at night so that lack of tactile feedback is really a pain.
The elegance of the iPod as reached mythic levels. It is good but far from perfect.
The Zune 80 will come with a component out. With that the Zune could become a portable HD player.
Unless you are going to put some really powerful hardware decoders on the Zune the simple truth is that a Zune just doesn't have the power to decode HD content.
Too bad I could see the Zune killing both Blue-Ray and HD-DVD. Video stores and kiosks could just squirt HD content to a Zune and then you take it home and plug it in. Probably not technically practical right now.
No worse than iPod. Sounds like something you use to keep your prosthetic eye in. I mean if you are going to bash the Zune bash it for all one of the many logical reasons.
Lack of a wireless musical store. DRMed to Death. Doesn't support Microsoft's own Play for Sure content.
"Because Poland and Russia is purely GSM. I should know, I live here..."
"So I did...and ONE city has CDMA."
So you where wrong. Purely implies that only GSM is available and you called him a troll, liar, and or an idiot that didn't know what his phone could and could not do.
Is it so hard to admit that you where wrong? Or even to apologize for being insulting?
He was right and you where incorrect. He could and probably did go to your country and use a CDMA phone.
Yes the SIM card is a great feature of CDMA phones. But it isn't tied to GSM for any technical reason. There is no technical reason why CDMA phones couldn't have a SIM card. UMTS is in fact much closer technically to CDMA than GSM. CDMA provides for more bandwidth then GSM does and is growing in popularity.
My post was mainly about how people in Europe tend to be very Europe centric when it comes GSM. They are under the impression that it is a Standard every where in the world but the US. I was just trying to point out that GSM wasn't anymore of a world standard than GSM. And yes I can take you places in the US where you probably couldn't get a signal on your GSM phone but where I could get a signal with my CDMA phone. None of them would be in a major city and I am sure I might find places where there was GSM coverage and not CDMA. The US like Russia, Canada, and Australia still has some big empty spaces.
"I think your point about GSM only being for Europe is very much wrong. "
I never said that GSM was only for Europe. I said that it is only a standard in Europe.
There is a difference between the two. GSM is available in many places as is CDMA. CDMA seems to be technically better since UTMS is based on CDMA. I was more commenting on the idea that GSM is a World Standard when in reality it is mainly a standard in Europe and from what I hear Africa.
Only if they move off of AT&T.
Or are not and AT&T exclusive. Sort of like when the iPod stopped being only for the Mac.
Best spin ever.
Boxed OS sales for Windows are limited typically two groups in the US.
1. Those that build there own PCs
2. Those that must have the latest upgrade.
Maybe laptops are a HUGE percentage of PC sales in Japan. Almost nobody builds those. Then you have the must have the latest. Well they have already bought Vista when it first hit the market.
I am sure that Apple is doing well in Japan but this is all hype.
Not really.
There are a lot of Smartphones on the market that offer more features than the iPhone today.
When the SDK comes out that may change.
The iPhone is only available from AT&T and lacks high speed.
Android may be a big winner. It may not. The iPhone my fad because other cheaper phones replace it.
I am looking at getting a new phone soon and so is my wife. It isn't going to an iPhone.
I was looking at the new Palm but it lacks voice dialing and GPS.
I was looking at the MotoQ but it lacks GPS.
I really want a smartphone that has GPS, voice dialing, and is available on the Sprint network. I don't like Verizon because cripple their phones so you have to get some of there services. Thinks like not allowing FTP or OBEX bluetooth when the phones support it. And they put their own slow BREW software on the phones.
So hopefully in two years when I am ready for a new phone I will have some better choices.
"Texas Instruments' OMAP processors, which enable a single-chip world phone (GSM/EDGE/GPRS)"
Funny how that is a "world" phone. GSM is only a standard for Europe. In North American you have both GSM and CDMA, Korea is mostly CDMA and I think Japan is also uses a lot of CDMA.
Also Sprint is one of the carriers that is involved in this and they only do CDMA.
I am no fan of .net. Heck I have to admit that I haven't written anything in Mono. I do use some apps that are written in Mono and they do seem to work just fine. Java I have used. The programs I wrote where not half assed. One could really only be written in Java. One is used to manage our tech support calls with Postgresql as the back end I use C++ for embedded development. I am using Linux for the OS and I have total control over the hardware that it will run on. For that Application I really need the speed and low level access of C++. I use Eclipse.org for my IDE. Eclipse.org is a Java application and it runs really well on my X23800 Linux box. But for applications that run on a phone I can see clear benefits to using a VM based language and Java is a pretty good language.
Before you blast Java maybe you should fire up the Android SDK and emulator and see what the performance is like? Take a look at all the software available for the Blackberry. It isn't the limited device that you think it is and is loved by it's users. It also seems to be pretty dang stable.
I find the idea of a "typical" Walmart shopper to be really dumb.
A lot of people shop at Walmart. I go to Walmart to buy mulch and compost for my garden at Walmart. My local WalMart sells "Earthwise" mulch and compost that is made by a local company. They are in fact a very echo friendly company and locally owned. So why shouldn't I buy a green local product from Walmart?
These boxes are a great example. I think it would make a good NAS for your home. Just load in FreeNAS or Openfiler.
"BlackBerries do a few things extremely well. (Email, calendar, and... That's about it.) They're not very expandable/flexible." .net for mobile devices.
Really?
Well here are two navigation programs for the Blackberry
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/builtforblackberry/navigation.jsp.
Here is a collection of software for the Blackberry. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/builtforblackberry/
Here is a list of Favorite apps for the Blackberry from blackberry users.
http://www.blackberryforums.com/aftermarket-software/316-updated-blackberry-killer-software-utilities-thread.html
And this is a site for Blackberry Freeware.
http://www.blackberryfreeware.com/
There may be more software for Windows Mobile but the Blackberry seems to do a lot more than just Email and Calendering.
So as you can see using Java doesn't have to cause the downside that claim it does while offering great flexibility in the underlining CPU that native code just will not provide. Seems like Microsoft might even agree. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/default.aspx Seems like they are moving to
"But your reasoning is based on egocentric modeling, if you were unable to detect ** unknowingly ** the bugs in your own neural hardware, no amount of reason would save you because it's a hardware problem."
But I can know that I don't know everything and that some things that some things that I feel are true are opinion and that I lack total proof of it.
I do think that reason is a struggle but I feel that it is worth it just as long we don't delude ourselves that we have a perfect knowledge and capacity for reasoning.
This mouse is often seen wielding a large mallet.
And the Blackberry uses Java and works just fine. In fact I would bet that most people would claim that it is a better smartphone than most Mindows Mobile devices. And then you have the example of Palm. They are still living with emulation the 68000.dragonball on the ARM,
"Instead, it will either be limited to low-end cripplephones, will turn good hardware into a low-end cripplephone, and no matter what has zero chance of outperforming Windows Mobile in terms of UI responsiveness and such. (Which is sad because that should be easy to do, it's just not possible with the bloated horse-designed-by-committed nightmare known as Java.)
"
I would say the BlackBerry blows that away.
"Oh wait, they're all ARM devices! Windows Mobile does just fine using native code. I was hoping that this would have the native code performance advantages of Windows Mobile, but with an improved UI, open architecture, and speed improvements."
And the Palm shows that could be a problem in the future.
I am a big fan of reasoning. The problem is when reasoning becomes ones faith. All to often I have seen this line of reasoning.
I am ruled by reason.
Everything I believe is based on reason.
So everyone that doesn't believe what I do is unreasonable or stupid.
It never crosses these peoples minds that they might have incomplete data, or that what they think of as a fact is really nothing more than opinion. As I have said before all too often I see people loose the ability to separate fact from their own opinion.
Not a lot more. You would still code to the API you would need the basic IO library and of course any utility libraries that the programmer adds for the most part you would be coding to the API. Okay coding in C++ and using STL may put a bit of a burden on you but probably not as much you would would think.
A basic, ruby, python, fortran, pascal, or c compiler doesn't have to require any more resources than writing in java. The compiler just generates java byte code instead of the native instruction set for the CPU.
This website lists a lot of JVM languages http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html
I don't think so. What really drives me crazy is that people have seem to have lost the ability to know the difference between opinion and fact. But that is just my opinion so take for what it is worth.
Well if they water was shallow enough to sit on the bottom.
Truth is they could just run at creep speed on electric and wait for them to come to them as you said.
What bothers me is the Navy is going to retire the S-3 in about 6 months and the P-3 replacement is still no where to be seen.
"The shuttle was nothing but an attempt to appease the moronic treehuggers by creating the illusion of "recycleable" craft, even though (1) the difference in price between launching a shuttle and a light rocket could pay for reducing emissions in other areas that would bring much greater net benefit to the ecology, and (2) consuming the fuckton of fuel to launch a heavy-ass shuttle that carries two people negates any "cleanliness" achieved by just throwing 75% of the shuttle (boosters go, remember?) instead of the ~95% when rocket goes, capsule comes."
No you are totally wrong.
The idea behind the shuttle was that it would be cheaper to fly a craft over and over than two throw it away. You don't throw away a ship when it gets to port and you don't throw away an airliner when you get to your airport. You load it back up with fuel and you fly it again.
The original designs for the shuttle might have actually pulled that off but where too expensive to develop. The Shuttle might have be a premature jump from the conestoga wagon mentality to the DC-3 but it wasn't inspired by "moronic tree huggers"
I just did what I was told back then. What did I know about a Model 38 I was just the operator :)
Here is a good example of what I consider stupid. Thinking that ones political opinion is fact. I am sick of both parties and all the "independents" as well. I have heard that people claim that Clinton was immoral, but I have never heard anyone say he was stupid. The real truth is it is very unlikely that you can be "stupid" and be elected president. Those that call Bush stupid are just as wrong. Stupid people can not fly a jet fighter which he did or graduate from Yale which he did. You may not like Bush or Clinton or in my case you may dislike them both but to dismiss ether one as stupid is foolish.
Bigger problem is who decides what is stupid?
All too often on Slashdot people actually believe that "Smart==Thinks like me" and "Stupid==Doesn't think like me"
Using Java doesn't cause lock you into a single language. The JVM could be targeted by any number of languages all you need is a compiler that will output the correct bytecode.
Going with a JVM is the only logical way to go with this kind of system. You don't want the end user to have to compile the application for their phone and yow don't want to have recompile a for each new cell phone that hits the market.