They would may have launched their bombers to the fail safe line but probably not. The US bombers would have been recalled in about 30 minutes and they would not have launched all the alert bombers.
I am much older than you. I can remember reading about Intel demoing a 100mhz x86. It was cooled by liquid nitrogen. At the time an 8mhz system was really fast and I thought yeah like that will ever get to the average consumer. Then I remember when the 68020 came out and it was a real 32-bit cpu. I thought we will never need more than 4GB of ram so we will never need more than a 32 bit CPU. "Frankly I am still not sure we "need" more than 4GB of ram on desktops except that programers have gotten really lazy. I can even remember when we built the first server for my old office. We got a 1GB drive and it was larger than all the drives in the office combined! Things do change.
Yes I did but since we have never gotten anything to.01c I do not see building and testing a system good for.1c in less than 20 years. Massive lasers in solar orbit and a massive solar sail? I think 20 years is wildly optimistic. 4 light years at.1c is 40 years so 60 years and that is again being wildly optimistic. If they started today and you are only 20 then maybe. No it will not happen in our lifetime your starchip is frankly scifi right now. They never really talk about communications systems. How do you make a sub gram system that can transmit across 4.5 light years. They are claiming.2c but since we have not hit.01c yet I think.1c is far more reasonable. For the life of me I have no idea why the are suggesting a be/cu shield for it. So no as of today it is impossible to send a probe to the nearest star in a lifetime. As to the starchip well when they can send one to jupiter that will be a start.You would not even need a light sail you could put thousands of them on a Delta and launch them to Jupiter it would be a good test. Until then it is paper.
"You should look at military or experimental aircraft if you're interested in other performance aspects of aircraft design." You mean like the SR-71 which is still the fastest airplane? Built in the 1960s....
Gee this is Slashdot AKA News for Nerds. I see a huge difference between the state of the art in aviation in 1916 vs 1903.
"Anyhow, the gist of his post was that technological development goes blistering fast, and you can't really say something is impossible." Yes you actually can say something is impossible we have limits based on the physical universe. Let's go with the dumb metaphor of the original post. Aviation and rockets where basically unrelated tech for a good while. Let's take a look at aviation again. So how much faster is a modern airliner than a typical airliner in 1965.... Modern airliners are a bit slower than a 707. They burn less fuel per person. Tech reaches a level of maturity and then it slows. The same is true of automobiles and is becoming true of PCs. Rockets are actually much older than airplanes. It too a change to liquid fuel rockets to start an advance. The development of the V-2 and nuclear weapons caused a rapid development and then they reached maturity. Modern rocket engines are not that much more efficient than the engines developed in the 1960s.
"No, what AC was pointing out was that a mere 100 years ago, people made sweeping statements like "no one in our lifetime will ever fly". We were flying in commercial jet airliners less than 30 years later, and landing on the moon another 20 after that." What? 100 years ago was 1916. Man first flew in a ballon in 1783. Gliders? Otto Lilienthal was well know in the 1890s Airplanes The Wright Brothers first flew was Dec 17, 1903. By 1916 hundreds of different aircraft had already flown including some pretty large aircraft. "We were flying in commercial jet airliners less than 30 years later," The first jet commercial airliner the Comet did not enter service until 1952 which is well over 30 years later.
"The idea that there's 0 chance that any of us will see an interplanetary or interstellar mission is crazy." I think you are right about interplanetary flight. I hope that we will see that in a life time. Manned Interstellar fight is where you are very much off. The difference in scale between going to Mars vs going to a star system is HUGE. Maybe we will see some supper shocking tech like an unexpected breakthrough in FTL flight. But the odds are massively in favor of none of us today living to see a manned interstellar mission. Un manned we may live to see one launched but I doubt that we will see it arrive.
"Would there really be much demand of that?" I can see it. Today how many people still buy mini computers or workstations? A workstation today is just a high end PC. Servers are more often then not just PCs. IBM and SUN still sell what used to be called mini computers but they are few and far between. When a phone has as much power as modern i7 with a GTX 1080 why would you need a PC? BTW if you think that is crazy talk just remember a PC with TB of storage, GB of ram, and Ghz of clock speed would have sounded nuts to someone with a 4.77 Mhz IBM PC.
You mean that they want to develop products that make money??? mine blown.... Funny but I would much rather see ads that target my interests than those that do not.
True but then it is just another flavor of Android. You do not even really need to port the JVM. You could write a bytecode to native compiler to created native code. The issue with that kind of layer is that you can slow down the development of native apps. My guess is that Google is going to try what Microsoft really should do. A unified eco system that spans mobile and the desktop. You bring your phone interface it to a keyboard, mouse, and screen and it becomes a desktop. You interface it to your car and it becomes a infotainment/Nav device, "Please use hard buttons that car provides as well as the builtin GPS". Interface it to your TV and it becomes a media device/Gaming system. If Microsoft and Intel could get a good mobile system they do it today. They just seem to flounder constantly.
You mean like Google search, Google Now, Google Maps, Google Docs, Android, Android Auto, and Gmail? If it stops profiting from it's users it goes out of business and we will be left with Microsoft and Apple.
It did not almost start a nuclear war. The system back then was actually better thought out than the one we have today. The DEW line was "jammed". If the military really thought that it was the soviets then the alert bombers would have been launched and would have flown to the failsafe line then gone back to base. No war. The most you can say is that the US considered launching it's alert bombers to the failsafe line.
The OS space has really dwindled to just Unix based OS's and Windows of late. You have QNX still in the embedded space and Contiki and FreeRTOS but noting really interesting in general use area for a while. A new kernel could be really interesting. Of course the apps will be the issue.
The Delta outage was caused by a power outage. Seems like TPF is not the problem. Considering how well this 1960s tech seems to be working replacing it may and doing it better may not all that easy.
"My additional point is that we humans don't OWN the Solar System, or even the Earth. We have no automatic right to do anything as we please. Sure, nothing is standing in our way but that does not give us right to do whatever the hell we want, terraforming Mars or Venus or plonking down bases all over the place." Sure we do. We have the same right as all life. To spread as far as we can. What you are saying is like saying that pre native americans had no right to cross the land bridge to north america. Or that Arthropods had no right to come on land. The function for life is to spread out. So how is it not right to change a planet to suit us. If it is life less all the better.
Keeping the pro the same thickness would be fine and for the love of all that is holy support M.2 and expandable memory. This anorexic design language needs to stop now. Why can I not have a good old HDMI or display port connection? I also need more than one USB connection because I really do not want to have to haul around a hub with me. Ethernet. Yes please.
"The scoundrels at classical media who have no journalistic integrity can't spin stuff as hard with regular folk calling them on their outlandish ideas." Sure they can and can do it even better. You just post meme's are blog posts that are inflammatory and then let the true believers go off on social media. What is worse is so many people's moral compasses are now broken that they have decided that facts don't really matter. You see they see that their truth, Clinton is evil, we must stop selling guns, and so on mean more than the facts.
My Utopia is someone's hell and your Utopia is possibly my hell. Even when you look at some trivial Utopia's like the Federation in ST-TOS and ST-TNG it can get down right scary. Notice that in DS9 things got a little less utopian and frankly a lot more livable IMHO. Or watch the HG Wells the Shape of Things to Come and think wow that sucks.
"What matters is the legality in which they are capturing video and audio, and the extent in which they are clearly authorized to use it against you." Outside in public is public. How is this so hard to understand. You are allowed to record video in public and take pictures in public. You have no privacy in public.... What do you not understand about this?
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You would not have to even move off of Linux for that. Just write one for Linux and make the source available.
They would may have launched their bombers to the fail safe line but probably not. The US bombers would have been recalled in about 30 minutes and they would not have launched all the alert bombers.
I am much older than you. I can remember reading about Intel demoing a 100mhz x86. It was cooled by liquid nitrogen. At the time an 8mhz system was really fast and I thought yeah like that will ever get to the average consumer.
Then I remember when the 68020 came out and it was a real 32-bit cpu. I thought we will never need more than 4GB of ram so we will never need more than a 32 bit CPU. "Frankly I am still not sure we "need" more than 4GB of ram on desktops except that programers have gotten really lazy.
I can even remember when we built the first server for my old office. We got a 1GB drive and it was larger than all the drives in the office combined!
Things do change.
It is an issue but if you are going to have a tablet version, mobile version, and desktop/laptop versions of a program why not make it one program?
Yes I did but since we have never gotten anything to .01c I do not see building and testing a system good for .1c in less than 20 years. Massive lasers in solar orbit and a massive solar sail? I think 20 years is wildly optimistic. 4 light years at .1c is 40 years so 60 years and that is again being wildly optimistic. .2c but since we have not hit .01c yet I think .1c is far more reasonable. For the life of me I have no idea why the are suggesting a be/cu shield for it.
If they started today and you are only 20 then maybe.
No it will not happen in our lifetime your starchip is frankly scifi right now. They never really talk about communications systems. How do you make a sub gram system that can transmit across 4.5 light years. They are claiming
So no as of today it is impossible to send a probe to the nearest star in a lifetime.
As to the starchip well when they can send one to jupiter that will be a start.You would not even need a light sail you could put thousands of them on a Delta and launch them to Jupiter it would be a good test. Until then it is paper.
"You should look at military or experimental aircraft if you're interested in other performance aspects of aircraft design."
You mean like the SR-71 which is still the fastest airplane? Built in the 1960s....
We can not even reach .01c yet. 4 light years == 400 years. I just do not see me getting to be that old.
Gee this is Slashdot AKA News for Nerds. I see a huge difference between the state of the art in aviation in 1916 vs 1903.
"Anyhow, the gist of his post was that technological development goes blistering fast, and you can't really say something is impossible."
Yes you actually can say something is impossible we have limits based on the physical universe.
Let's go with the dumb metaphor of the original post.
Aviation and rockets where basically unrelated tech for a good while. Let's take a look at aviation again. So how much faster is a modern airliner than a typical airliner in 1965.... Modern airliners are a bit slower than a 707. They burn less fuel per person. Tech reaches a level of maturity and then it slows. The same is true of automobiles and is becoming true of PCs. Rockets are actually much older than airplanes. It too a change to liquid fuel rockets to start an advance. The development of the V-2 and nuclear weapons caused a rapid development and then they reached maturity. Modern rocket engines are not that much more efficient than the engines developed in the 1960s.
Actually they would probably not be offended by I Love Lucie. If they any of the reality TV shows we are doomed.
"No, what AC was pointing out was that a mere 100 years ago, people made sweeping statements like "no one in our lifetime will ever fly". We were flying in commercial jet airliners less than 30 years later, and landing on the moon another 20 after that."
What?
100 years ago was 1916. Man first flew in a ballon in 1783.
Gliders? Otto Lilienthal was well know in the 1890s
Airplanes The Wright Brothers first flew was Dec 17, 1903. By 1916 hundreds of different aircraft had already flown including some pretty large aircraft.
"We were flying in commercial jet airliners less than 30 years later,"
The first jet commercial airliner the Comet did not enter service until 1952 which is well over 30 years later.
"The idea that there's 0 chance that any of us will see an interplanetary or interstellar mission is crazy."
I think you are right about interplanetary flight. I hope that we will see that in a life time. Manned Interstellar fight is where you are very much off. The difference in scale between going to Mars vs going to a star system is HUGE. Maybe we will see some supper shocking tech like an unexpected breakthrough in FTL flight.
But the odds are massively in favor of none of us today living to see a manned interstellar mission. Un manned we may live to see one launched but I doubt that we will see it arrive.
Yes but so much windows software requires an X86 that it has not taken off.
"Would there really be much demand of that?"
I can see it. Today how many people still buy mini computers or workstations? A workstation today is just a high end PC. Servers are more often then not just PCs. IBM and SUN still sell what used to be called mini computers but they are few and far between.
When a phone has as much power as modern i7 with a GTX 1080 why would you need a PC?
BTW if you think that is crazy talk just remember a PC with TB of storage, GB of ram, and Ghz of clock speed would have sounded nuts to someone with a 4.77 Mhz IBM PC.
True but VMS no longer runs on VAXs.
You mean that they want to develop products that make money??? mine blown....
Funny but I would much rather see ads that target my interests than those that do not.
True but then it is just another flavor of Android. You do not even really need to port the JVM. You could write a bytecode to native compiler to created native code.
The issue with that kind of layer is that you can slow down the development of native apps.
My guess is that Google is going to try what Microsoft really should do. A unified eco system that spans mobile and the desktop. You bring your phone interface it to a keyboard, mouse, and screen and it becomes a desktop. You interface it to your car and it becomes a infotainment/Nav device, "Please use hard buttons that car provides as well as the builtin GPS". Interface it to your TV and it becomes a media device/Gaming system.
If Microsoft and Intel could get a good mobile system they do it today. They just seem to flounder constantly.
You left out AmigaOS, BeOS, STOS/GEM, RiscOS, and OS/9.
VMS wasn't for "servers" it was the OS for VAX super mini-computers.
You mean like Google search, Google Now, Google Maps, Google Docs, Android, Android Auto, and Gmail?
If it stops profiting from it's users it goes out of business and we will be left with Microsoft and Apple.
It did not almost start a nuclear war. The system back then was actually better thought out than the one we have today. The DEW line was "jammed". If the military really thought that it was the soviets then the alert bombers would have been launched and would have flown to the failsafe line then gone back to base.
No war.
The most you can say is that the US considered launching it's alert bombers to the failsafe line.
The OS space has really dwindled to just Unix based OS's and Windows of late. You have QNX still in the embedded space and Contiki and FreeRTOS but noting really interesting in general use area for a while. A new kernel could be really interesting. Of course the apps will be the issue.
The Delta outage was caused by a power outage. Seems like TPF is not the problem.
Considering how well this 1960s tech seems to be working replacing it may and doing it better may not all that easy.
"My additional point is that we humans don't OWN the Solar System, or even the Earth. We have no automatic right to do anything as we please. Sure, nothing is standing in our way but that does not give us right to do whatever the hell we want, terraforming Mars or Venus or plonking down bases all over the place."
Sure we do. We have the same right as all life. To spread as far as we can. What you are saying is like saying that pre native americans had no right to cross the land bridge to north america. Or that Arthropods had no right to come on land.
The function for life is to spread out. So how is it not right to change a planet to suit us. If it is life less all the better.
Keeping the pro the same thickness would be fine and for the love of all that is holy support M.2 and expandable memory. This anorexic design language needs to stop now. Why can I not have a good old HDMI or display port connection? I also need more than one USB connection because I really do not want to have to haul around a hub with me. Ethernet. Yes please.
"The scoundrels at classical media who have no journalistic integrity can't spin stuff as hard with regular folk calling them on their outlandish ideas."
Sure they can and can do it even better. You just post meme's are blog posts that are inflammatory and then let the true believers go off on social media.
What is worse is so many people's moral compasses are now broken that they have decided that facts don't really matter. You see they see that their truth, Clinton is evil, we must stop selling guns, and so on mean more than the facts.
My Utopia is someone's hell and your Utopia is possibly my hell.
Even when you look at some trivial Utopia's like the Federation in ST-TOS and ST-TNG it can get down right scary. Notice that in DS9 things got a little less utopian and frankly a lot more livable IMHO. Or watch the HG Wells the Shape of Things to Come and think wow that sucks.
"What matters is the legality in which they are capturing video and audio, and the extent in which they are clearly authorized to use it against you."
Outside in public is public. How is this so hard to understand. You are allowed to record video in public and take pictures in public. You have no privacy in public....
What do you not understand about this?