if you run some different than this specific intense workload, it won't catch fire. I am happy to see apple treating its customers the same way everyone else does... like a clueless, stupid one.
this gpu dissipates X Watt, we will place a Y Watt (YX) heatsink. There's nothing software can't fix.
It seems to me that not only you stopped, but you pressed the reply(possibly had to log-in also), then opened your drawer, took the kippah, wore it, stretched your arms and cracked your fingers and did what every jidf officer would do.
I explicitly told you that you need the faster modem, because the better modem consumes less due to better lithography, regardless of the speed it's set at....and less power consumption is what everyone needs in battery powered devices.
rabid Apple-hater much
and how am I an apple hater when I am stating the obvious with facts and sources? would I be rude to call you an iDiot now?
Apple did the worst move(it isn't the first time this month) and screwed over its customers. If you are lucky your $1k bought you a better phone than someone else who also paid the exact same amount.
Instead of saying "Apple went the cheap way, instead of the right way" you claim that nobody(you, someone) needs that. Let me tell you this. Intel modem: 28nm Qualcomm modem: 14nm not only you get a worse modem, but you get one that consumes more....and even if you get the good modem, it's locked in order to be as fast as the bad one. all in all, apple jewed itself for $5 BOM more here https://www.reddit.com/r/apple...
Louis Rossman said once that the Apple consumers police themselves. In other companies, one consumer would react and the rest would've followed. With apple, one reacts and the rest are using arguments like: "you don't need that" "you aren't supposed to do that" "you are using it wrong" "you are holding it wrong"
neither with weapons nor with money(economic war), when you have human rights, you can police the shit out of anyone. I watched a video on youporn 2 days ago, with a related subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Good fucking job, you caught the Kangaroos. I guess they'll have to provide smartphones and unlimited Internet access, too, to the Aborigines. Progress....
There's no politics involved, but only licenses and market lock. They could've gone with some other kernel, leaner and with a more permissive license so they don't have to deal will steering committees and mailing lists. Any *BSD would be great but they chose not to do it. Google wants 2 things. 1st total control over the code. They are going to release a 20k or 40k loc microkernel as foss, just for the sake of saying we support foss, they have a nongpl license which means they can add whatever they want inside the kernel and they don't have to release their code and ofc the rest of the system can be either closed source of oss. Second, when this get's into millions of devices and they have the majority of the market share in many markets, google will start putting features that are not present in other unix like kernels. Those special features would then be adopted by the vendors that make socs for smartphones and tablets, linux a.k.a. old android will get alienated and phased out. We've seen that happened before with many web services within chrome, and most importantly we've seen that happen with the.doc.docx format that microsoft controls and everybody else is struggling to support it.
10 years ago, there were just developers. now there are developers and female developers. They tried to make "being a woman" a political statement and a political stance... and they succeeded. they made "dongle jokes" a harassment... and fired developers for that. they made games their echo chambers for their political views... and they succeeded.... and now it just backfires.
do you know why? because when you deal with someone who doesn't care about politics, e.g. gamers, and they mess with their lives, e.g. games, they are going to use every method to attack you, e.g. politically incorrect practices.
That's why people say, ignorance is happiness. You take your proprietary binary, you never think that it's compromised, so you live a happy dev life in ignorance.
We can't import them, so we export our offices... and because we don't want to seem like we are the bad guys who outsource everything to non-americans, we will blame the goberment.
Intel didn't beat PPC because x86 was good. It was shit, that's why everyone until the end of the 90s ran on either proprietary ISAs or some Alpha and what not. What helped Intel take off was AMD64. There wasn't any place where you could go far with a mere x86 or a failed IA64 using vliw.
And for the last time I am saying it again. You can't just copy some HDL files and get away with a new product or a copied product. Even the most simple circuits, like 555 counters, are totally shit when it comes to chinese knock offs. Same thing happens with Zen. If the Chinese want to build a Zen derivative, they have to copy also AMD's ASIC libraries and all their tools, they have to copy the exact same methodology used by TSMC or GF (I am not sure if TSMC is capable of producing Zen chips, because I don't remember if Zen products have been ported to their process) and then be able to produce one chip. That's how you can't steal designs and make CPUs. Those HDL files are more valuable to, say, Intel, than anyone else. Intel can probe the modules and find out the secrets of zen. Everyone else needs a lot of billions and bleeding edge equipment, that is very easy to track if someone buys it. Do you know how many build masks for EUV? Last time I checked there was only 1 company. That's how this kind of market behaves, everyone knows each other and it's nearly impossible to advance to that level either by making it yourself, or just buying "secretly" equipment and intelligence.
This is what I am saying. They get older designs, e.g. they are starting now to roll out new chips based on 1st gen of Zen, while 1st gen of Zen will be EOL because it will superseded by zen2 in less than a year. By the time they will get Zen2, it will be again by the EOL for that product line, so they are just getting revenue off of a dead product. The IPs that they get are most probably black boxes, it's just what I described above. Encrypted source code.
They cannot make the CPU even if they are trained. They have to use the fab that is compatible with the asic libraries they used, and that's mostly GF fabs. Also they have to use 2 or 3 of the available packaging facilities that are spin offs from AMD(they sold them when they had financial issues) and they are the only ones that know how to build a multi-chip CPU like EPYC/TR. Even if they could find a way to build the 2CCX chips, it's nearly impossible to build a packaging facility in order to combine them in one CPU. Then there's μcode issues, motherboard f/w compatibility and so one. I'll say it again, if the CPU copying or manufacturing procedure was easy the Chinese would've just licensed Arm IPs for a month or a year and then build Arm chips forever. Heck, they could just use the openSparc source code, BUT just because the whole ecosystem around building and manufacturing a CPU is terrible proprietary mess of nowhere to be found tools and skills, it's impossible to move to the silicon so easily.
That's not what happens with digital design. When you get IPs, you almost never get the source code to build the circuits. Everyone who has at least worked on FPGAs can confirm that there are vendor locked IP cores, that are just a ciphertext that gets decrypted on the fly when the design is synthesized.
Even if you could have the source code of zen, it's nearly impossible to build the asic because there's a shitload of proprietary IPs after you've obtained the code and custom AMD programs that do place and route on the design.
If CPU manufacturing was easy, the Chinese could have been building Arm CPUs en masse without and licenses, but they couldn't because 1st you need the know how from the company from start to finish to build the CPU, and 2nd no fab will ever accept your design in any respectable amount of wafers, without AMD or Arm or anyone else jumps in and stops the procedure.
I bet Intel wished they could do such "desperate" moves and get profit off of old and obsolete generations of CPU. First gen zen will give the last dollars to AMD by the end of 2018. Instead of reaching EOL, it will be re-purposed into new products in China, on top of serving its purpose of giving all the revenue it could to AMD in its normal lifespan. Even if the Chinese keep manufacturing with that IP CPUs for 5 years, this means that almost by 2024. AMD will have income from the first gen Zen. And that's how far it goes with ASICs in terms of taking advantage of such IPs. AMD would require a new agreement to trade IPs, ASIC libraries and ofc the know-how to produce wafers with newer versions of Zen.... and don't forget the packaging.
Even if AMD makes $1 off of each chinese Zen sold, that's one dollar that they would never have seen.
That's some A grade bullshit. AMD's contract allows them manipulate the prices
http://m.guancha.cn/tieliu/201... From this Article "The core intellectual property, technology and pricing are still firmly in the hands of AMD."
I wonder what kind of idiots modded you up. Your comment has zero arguments, zero sources and zero reasoning. It's just "Hurrr Durrr AMD might be fine now, but they gonna pay in the future"
Before c++11, c++ had great features that helped you write cleaner code. The last time I bothered in a bureaucratic way with c++ was in 2013 when I was in a committee to send some features in for suggestion. The meeting had a lot of people yelling at a guy who was part of isocpp iirc half a decade ago, and he flew from usa for that purpose. I left in the middle of this shit. Long story short and I am adding here not only my opinion but the opinion of every colleague who wrote c++ in research labs in different hierarchy levels inside an os, C devs do need C++ to help them write code easier, without hassles and give them more tools when they need them. C++ the last 10 years has been adopting the web dev language cycle. You have to have the bleeding edge of features to stay relevant...as frameworks languages and apis die and born every day. C++ has no enemies, yet it's getting tackled by its own people. Instead of having powerful lean language, just like C, you have a clusterfuck of a language. I stopped using the bewest and coolest features because most of them are useless and don't worth the extra effort to include them in your programming style and most importantly there are out there a shitload of colleagues who don't know or care about the latest and greatest feature.... Because they are s/w engineers, not programming hipsters. I don't think c++ will ever recover. It will grow and grow in terms of features and also those features will become more and more irrelevant as less and less people will adopt them. Tbh C with classes had a negative meaning 15 years ago. Now it seems like the sane way of writing good and intuitive c++ code. Maybe it's just me.
He should do what obongo did. Let BP ruin the gulf, then several years later let them lease areas to drill for oil like nothing happened. Thanks obongo.
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if you run some different than this specific intense workload, it won't catch fire.
I am happy to see apple treating its customers the same way everyone else does... like a clueless, stupid one.
this gpu dissipates X Watt, we will place a Y Watt (YX) heatsink.
There's nothing software can't fix.
anti-semitic statement
I like to bait idiots.
I stopped
It seems to me that not only you stopped, but you pressed the reply(possibly had to log-in also), then opened your drawer, took the kippah, wore it, stretched your arms and cracked your fingers and did what every jidf officer would do.
0.02 shekels have been deposited to your account.
I explicitly told you that you need the faster modem, because the better modem consumes less due to better lithography, regardless of the speed it's set at. ...and less power consumption is what everyone needs in battery powered devices.
rabid Apple-hater much
and how am I an apple hater when I am stating the obvious with facts and sources?
would I be rude to call you an iDiot now?
Apple did the worst move(it isn't the first time this month) and screwed over its customers.
If you are lucky your $1k bought you a better phone than someone else who also paid the exact same amount.
Instead of saying "Apple went the cheap way, instead of the right way" ...and even if you get the good modem, it's locked in order to be as fast as the bad one.
you claim that nobody(you, someone) needs that.
Let me tell you this.
Intel modem: 28nm
Qualcomm modem: 14nm
not only you get a worse modem, but you get one that consumes more.
all in all, apple jewed itself for $5 BOM
more here https://www.reddit.com/r/apple...
Louis Rossman said once that the Apple consumers police themselves.
In other companies, one consumer would react and the rest would've followed.
With apple, one reacts and the rest are using arguments like:
"you don't need that"
"you aren't supposed to do that"
"you are using it wrong"
"you are holding it wrong"
what's a computer?
neither with weapons nor with money(economic war),
when you have human rights, you can police the shit out of anyone.
I watched a video on youporn 2 days ago, with a related subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Good fucking job, you caught the Kangaroos.
I guess they'll have to provide smartphones and unlimited Internet access, too, to the Aborigines.
Progress....
sage and report.
There's no politics involved, but only licenses and market lock. .doc .docx format that microsoft controls and everybody else is struggling to support it.
They could've gone with some other kernel, leaner and with a more permissive license so they don't have to deal will steering committees and mailing lists.
Any *BSD would be great but they chose not to do it.
Google wants 2 things.
1st total control over the code.
They are going to release a 20k or 40k loc microkernel as foss, just for the sake of saying we support foss, they have a nongpl license which means they can add whatever they want inside the kernel and they don't have to release their code and ofc the rest of the system can be either closed source of oss.
Second, when this get's into millions of devices and they have the majority of the market share in many markets, google will start putting features that are not present in other unix like kernels.
Those special features would then be adopted by the vendors that make socs for smartphones and tablets, linux a.k.a. old android will get alienated and phased out.
We've seen that happened before with many web services within chrome, and most importantly we've seen that happen with the
grade arguments.
I'd suggest to all of them, they'd better fix their products before dreaming in some sci-fi movie concept from the 80s.
This,
or getting rejected because you are a white male?
Now we literally call people up with apps over the internet and get int heir cars.
You used to do that too,
it's called Taxi.
10 years ago, there were just developers. ... and now it just backfires.
now there are developers and female developers.
They tried to make "being a woman" a political statement and a political stance... and they succeeded.
they made "dongle jokes" a harassment... and fired developers for that.
they made games their echo chambers for their political views... and they succeeded.
do you know why? because when you deal with someone who doesn't care about politics, e.g. gamers, and they mess with their lives, e.g. games, they are going to use every method to attack you, e.g. politically incorrect practices.
I can't say that I don't like it. I am loving it.
That's why people say, ignorance is happiness.
You take your proprietary binary,
you never think that it's compromised,
so you live a happy dev life in ignorance.
more like Dongle overlords
It's a historic day forChan.
We can't import them, so we export our offices... and because we don't want to seem like we are the bad guys who outsource everything to non-americans, we will blame the goberment.
Palestinians.
Intel didn't beat PPC because x86 was good. It was shit, that's why everyone until the end of the 90s ran on either proprietary ISAs or some Alpha and what not.
What helped Intel take off was AMD64.
There wasn't any place where you could go far with a mere x86 or a failed IA64 using vliw.
And for the last time I am saying it again.
You can't just copy some HDL files and get away with a new product or a copied product.
Even the most simple circuits, like 555 counters, are totally shit when it comes to chinese knock offs.
Same thing happens with Zen.
If the Chinese want to build a Zen derivative, they have to copy also AMD's ASIC libraries and all their tools, they have to copy the exact same methodology used by TSMC or GF (I am not sure if TSMC is capable of producing Zen chips, because I don't remember if Zen products have been ported to their process) and then be able to produce one chip.
That's how you can't steal designs and make CPUs.
Those HDL files are more valuable to, say, Intel, than anyone else. Intel can probe the modules and find out the secrets of zen.
Everyone else needs a lot of billions and bleeding edge equipment, that is very easy to track if someone buys it.
Do you know how many build masks for EUV? Last time I checked there was only 1 company. That's how this kind of market behaves, everyone knows each other and it's nearly impossible to advance to that level either by making it yourself, or just buying "secretly" equipment and intelligence.
This is what I am saying.
They get older designs, e.g. they are starting now to roll out new chips based on 1st gen of Zen, while 1st gen of Zen will be EOL because it will superseded by zen2 in less than a year.
By the time they will get Zen2, it will be again by the EOL for that product line, so they are just getting revenue off of a dead product.
The IPs that they get are most probably black boxes, it's just what I described above. Encrypted source code.
They cannot make the CPU even if they are trained.
They have to use the fab that is compatible with the asic libraries they used, and that's mostly GF fabs.
Also they have to use 2 or 3 of the available packaging facilities that are spin offs from AMD(they sold them when they had financial issues) and they are the only ones that know how to build a multi-chip CPU like EPYC/TR.
Even if they could find a way to build the 2CCX chips, it's nearly impossible to build a packaging facility in order to combine them in one CPU.
Then there's μcode issues, motherboard f/w compatibility and so one.
I'll say it again, if the CPU copying or manufacturing procedure was easy the Chinese would've just licensed Arm IPs for a month or a year and then build Arm chips forever.
Heck, they could just use the openSparc source code,
BUT just because the whole ecosystem around building and manufacturing a CPU is terrible proprietary mess of nowhere to be found tools and skills, it's impossible to move to the silicon so easily.
That's not what happens with digital design.
When you get IPs, you almost never get the source code to build the circuits.
Everyone who has at least worked on FPGAs can confirm that there are vendor locked IP cores, that are just a ciphertext that gets decrypted on the fly when the design is synthesized.
Even if you could have the source code of zen, it's nearly impossible to build the asic because there's a shitload of proprietary IPs after you've obtained the code and custom AMD programs that do place and route on the design.
If CPU manufacturing was easy, the Chinese could have been building Arm CPUs en masse without and licenses, but they couldn't because 1st you need the know how from the company from start to finish to build the CPU, and 2nd no fab will ever accept your design in any respectable amount of wafers, without AMD or Arm or anyone else jumps in and stops the procedure.
You can't copy and build CPUs so easily.
I bet Intel wished they could do such "desperate" moves and get profit off of old and obsolete generations of CPU.
First gen zen will give the last dollars to AMD by the end of 2018.
Instead of reaching EOL, it will be re-purposed into new products in China, on top of serving its purpose of giving all the revenue it could to AMD in its normal lifespan.
Even if the Chinese keep manufacturing with that IP CPUs for 5 years, this means that almost by 2024. AMD will have income from the first gen Zen.
And that's how far it goes with ASICs in terms of taking advantage of such IPs.
AMD would require a new agreement to trade IPs, ASIC libraries and ofc the know-how to produce wafers with newer versions of Zen.... and don't forget the packaging.
Even if AMD makes $1 off of each chinese Zen sold, that's one dollar that they would never have seen.
That's some A grade bullshit.
AMD's contract allows them manipulate the prices
http://m.guancha.cn/tieliu/201...
From this Article
"The core intellectual property, technology and pricing are still firmly in the hands of AMD."
I wonder what kind of idiots modded you up.
Your comment has zero arguments, zero sources and zero reasoning.
It's just "Hurrr Durrr AMD might be fine now, but they gonna pay in the future"
And no, Purch media's shill sites do not count as "sources" in deals where they don't want to make their customer, Intel, to look so bad.
also
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
and
https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
Before c++11, c++ had great features that helped you write cleaner code.
The last time I bothered in a bureaucratic way with c++ was in 2013 when I was in a committee to send some features in for suggestion.
The meeting had a lot of people yelling at a guy who was part of isocpp iirc half a decade ago, and he flew from usa for that purpose.
I left in the middle of this shit.
Long story short and I am adding here not only my opinion but the opinion of every colleague who wrote c++ in research labs in different hierarchy levels inside an os, C devs do need C++ to help them write code easier, without hassles and give them more tools when they need them.
C++ the last 10 years has been adopting the web dev language cycle.
You have to have the bleeding edge of features to stay relevant...as frameworks languages and apis die and born every day.
C++ has no enemies, yet it's getting tackled by its own people.
Instead of having powerful lean language, just like C, you have a clusterfuck of a language.
I stopped using the bewest and coolest features because most of them are useless and don't worth the extra effort to include them in your programming style and most importantly there are out there a shitload of colleagues who don't know or care about the latest and greatest feature.... Because they are s/w engineers, not programming hipsters.
I don't think c++ will ever recover. It will grow and grow in terms of features and also those features will become more and more irrelevant as less and less people will adopt them.
Tbh C with classes had a negative meaning 15 years ago. Now it seems like the sane way of writing good and intuitive c++ code.
Maybe it's just me.
It's not news if it doesn't contain any BS.
He should do what obongo did.
Let BP ruin the gulf, then several years later let them lease areas to drill for oil like nothing happened.
Thanks obongo.