Since when are Suns faster than a garden variety X86 box at 1/6th the price? Provided you don't need more than 4 procs and what, 16 gigs of ram, a Sun's price is not justified. Yeah additional X86s don't scale like the what, 93% boost you get from doubling a crowd of Sparc.... BUT there's not much you can do with a 16 proc box that shouldn't be able to be handled on a 4 quads.
We once had an RS/6000 H50 (quad proc, 16GB RAM, this was 3 years ago BTW) and external drive array shipped all in its own rack. Apparently it had tipped off the front of a fork lift, or as a coworker stated "Fell off the high shelf at Sams". There was only one tilt-n-tell sensor on the box, but apparently it landed on that face because it was still showing everything was OK.
The H50 is a 4U height system. Its up in that class of system that you plug it in, and then slip into the firmware via serial console to power it up.
The system was bolted into the rack with 6 bolts. All of them sheered. Looked pretty neat though.
Popups? Go into Mozilla, under Advanced, and Scripts & Windows, there's a checkbox for allowing web pages to open up unrequested windows. Bye-bye popups!
Ohh, the C library situation.... I definitly understand that. How many people here have either heard or told stories like:
"Well, I was upgrading my system libraries and [insert sob story here]......installation media."
FreeBSD? There is no/lib directory. That's because everything that's no in/usr is COMPILED STATICALLY!!!! I even threw on bash from the ports tree, and whoever set up the port was smart enough to realize that the shell is totally critical and making it dynamic is nothing short of suicide.
Of course, I'm sensitive to the issue because I had just tried to upgrade my Mandrake 7.2 box to glibc2.2....... My sob story at least didn't end in "installation media" because I was fortunate enough to have a statically compiled copy of busybox on an nfs share without nosuid flagged. Otherwise I'd probably have been reachin' fer the bootable CD.
Ok, granted its not as pretty as Mandrake's installer. It is pretty simple though. Ever try to trudge through Debian's ocean (and I MEAN ocean) of packages and you'll understand. FreeBSD's installer is pretty simple to walk through.
That, and the kernel compile is pretty hard to screw up. First shot through and it booted doing all I wanted it to do. The sound was a little confusing to configure because there wasn't anything to configure! Just tell it you want a PCI sound card and from there on out its pure magic.
I'm in the same boat as you. Since '96 I've been a Linux user, screaming about it from the rooftops, bringing it into huge companies and basing smaller companies on it. Ever since 2.4 though its been degrading. These days I don't dare run a stock kernel unless its been patched all the way to hell and halfway back. Even then its iffy. Linux apps are twitchy, and an above poster is definitly correct about it feeling thrown together.
Just last week I tried out FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE and I must say I'm impressed. The whole thing feels really professional and tightly bundled, and the ports tree is a dream. I havn't found anything that isn't straightforward. It still blows my mind that I was able to do whatever I needed to do by looking in logical places, or at worst doing my one stop shopping for info at www.freebsd.org.
The project feels like one team built the whole works as opposed to everything being a mishmash from whoever showed up for amature night.
Best of all, I don't have to look at that fat, stupid penguin. It was cute a couple of years ago, but its a really insipid logo that makes it seem like a kiddie project.
Ok, well open up about 5 - 10 tabs, each with a 1 meg text table in it. Now watch Mozilla. It can do about 2 without giving the impression of being crashed. Otherwise its time to go for coffee.
One area where IE simply trashes Netscape and Mozilla is rendering huge tables. I'm talking about the 1 meg of text variety. Has anyone tried putting the various browers through the paces on this kind of test?
Oh yeah, here's my workstation. This is where on a daily basis if I'm not running X directly on it, I'm at least popping displays off of it. I've got several instances of Apache, piles of Perl as well as MySQL and Informix. Its what I do all my deveopment work off of.
Linux ethos.no-peeking!!!.com 2.2.17-21mdk #1 Thu Oct 5 13:16:08 CEST 2000 i686
unknown
[paul@ethos paul]$ uptime
3:01am up 253 days, 14:17, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00
Speaking of the graphical version of smit, ever notice that the little running guy looks like the Healthy Choice running guy? http://carlucci.net/smit/
I tried the Winders with Talkback, went through the installer, picked the defaults and it immediatly blows up upon launch. The only thing that shows up is the splash screen. Am I unique here?
I'm on W2K sp2, all patched up, IE6 beta and there was no previous installation of ye' olde lizzard.
Whoopie. The company still has to fight to regain precious name recognicion which it lost because it was trying to be nice. I definitly think the community should have yielded on this one.
So you're saying you would rather he had whipped out the lawyers from the beginning and fiercly protected his trademark? Honestly that's what he should have done, but he tried to be a nice guy and now he's screwed. Once would think the community would be more sympathetic to a simple request from someone who was generous and non-militant. The guy did everything that Slashdoters scream for and this is how he's repaid.
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Its too farkin' slow. I wanna see the pretty pictures!
What is this "release" you refer to? I just make buildworld whenever I feel like it.
Whoa....
CRACKPIPE ALERT!!!!!!!!!
Since when are Suns faster than a garden variety X86 box at 1/6th the price? Provided you don't need more than 4 procs and what, 16 gigs of ram, a Sun's price is not justified. Yeah additional X86s don't scale like the what, 93% boost you get from doubling a crowd of Sparc.... BUT there's not much you can do with a 16 proc box that shouldn't be able to be handled on a 4 quads.
Not much....
Well, whooptie frickin do if they support Linux via closed source binaries. I'm sitting here on a FreeBSD box. I think I'll go buy an ATI instead.
We once had an RS/6000 H50 (quad proc, 16GB RAM, this was 3 years ago BTW) and external drive array shipped all in its own rack. Apparently it had tipped off the front of a fork lift, or as a coworker stated "Fell off the high shelf at Sams". There was only one tilt-n-tell sensor on the box, but apparently it landed on that face because it was still showing everything was OK.
The H50 is a 4U height system. Its up in that class of system that you plug it in, and then slip into the firmware via serial console to power it up.
The system was bolted into the rack with 6 bolts. All of them sheered. Looked pretty neat though.
Popups? Go into Mozilla, under Advanced, and Scripts & Windows, there's a checkbox for allowing web pages to open up unrequested windows. Bye-bye popups!
Ohh, the C library situation.... I definitly understand that. How many people here have either heard or told stories like:
......installation media."
/lib directory. That's because everything that's no in /usr is COMPILED STATICALLY!!!! I even threw on bash from the ports tree, and whoever set up the port was smart enough to realize that the shell is totally critical and making it dynamic is nothing short of suicide.
"Well, I was upgrading my system libraries and [insert sob story here]
FreeBSD? There is no
Of course, I'm sensitive to the issue because I had just tried to upgrade my Mandrake 7.2 box to glibc2.2....... My sob story at least didn't end in "installation media" because I was fortunate enough to have a statically compiled copy of busybox on an nfs share without nosuid flagged. Otherwise I'd probably have been reachin' fer the bootable CD.
Ok, granted its not as pretty as Mandrake's installer. It is pretty simple though. Ever try to trudge through Debian's ocean (and I MEAN ocean) of packages and you'll understand. FreeBSD's installer is pretty simple to walk through.
That, and the kernel compile is pretty hard to screw up. First shot through and it booted doing all I wanted it to do. The sound was a little confusing to configure because there wasn't anything to configure! Just tell it you want a PCI sound card and from there on out its pure magic.
I'm in the same boat as you. Since '96 I've been a Linux user, screaming about it from the rooftops, bringing it into huge companies and basing smaller companies on it. Ever since 2.4 though its been degrading. These days I don't dare run a stock kernel unless its been patched all the way to hell and halfway back. Even then its iffy. Linux apps are twitchy, and an above poster is definitly correct about it feeling thrown together.
Just last week I tried out FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE and I must say I'm impressed. The whole thing feels really professional and tightly bundled, and the ports tree is a dream. I havn't found anything that isn't straightforward. It still blows my mind that I was able to do whatever I needed to do by looking in logical places, or at worst doing my one stop shopping for info at www.freebsd.org.
The project feels like one team built the whole works as opposed to everything being a mishmash from whoever showed up for amature night.
Best of all, I don't have to look at that fat, stupid penguin. It was cute a couple of years ago, but its a really insipid logo that makes it seem like a kiddie project.
Ok, well open up about 5 - 10 tabs, each with a 1 meg text table in it. Now watch Mozilla. It can do about 2 without giving the impression of being crashed. Otherwise its time to go for coffee.
One area where IE simply trashes Netscape and Mozilla is rendering huge tables. I'm talking about the 1 meg of text variety. Has anyone tried putting the various browers through the paces on this kind of test?
Hope they got the service plan. Still nothing compared to what happens to technology in the microwave.
Oh yeah, here's my workstation. This is where on a daily basis if I'm not running X directly on it, I'm at least popping displays off of it. I've got several instances of Apache, piles of Perl as well as MySQL and Informix. Its what I do all my deveopment work off of.
Linux ethos.no-peeking!!!.com 2.2.17-21mdk #1 Thu Oct 5 13:16:08 CEST 2000 i686
unknown
[paul@ethos paul]$ uptime
3:01am up 253 days, 14:17, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00
Just tonight I had a production box go tits-up with a panic. Mandrake 8.0 2.4.3-20MDKSMP.
So what you're saying is that we need the US Mint to team up with AOL? Those CDs are EVERYWHERE!!!
Well, Lincoln just made up a new state just so he could swish around some additional votes in congress.
Speaking of the graphical version of smit, ever notice that the little running guy looks like the Healthy Choice running guy?
http://carlucci.net/smit/
I have a PowerSeries 830, pretty much the same thing as a 41T, and I've got AIX 4.3.3.0 on it. I guess I'm one of those people who don't exist.
All nouns in German are capitalized.
This makes Schnorkel correct.
Bingo, that was it. Thanks!
I tried the Winders with Talkback, went through the installer, picked the defaults and it immediatly blows up upon launch. The only thing that shows up is the splash screen. Am I unique here?
I'm on W2K sp2, all patched up, IE6 beta and there was no previous installation of ye' olde lizzard.
Gosh, thanks for pointing out that 3600 is usually greater than 1600. Usually....
Whoopie. The company still has to fight to regain precious name recognicion which it lost because it was trying to be nice. I definitly think the community should have yielded on this one.
So you're saying you would rather he had whipped out the lawyers from the beginning and fiercly protected his trademark? Honestly that's what he should have done, but he tried to be a nice guy and now he's screwed. Once would think the community would be more sympathetic to a simple request from someone who was generous and non-militant. The guy did everything that Slashdoters scream for and this is how he's repaid.
Has anyone checked out if this release has the fix for Kmail on NFS?