I bet right now however that the Seagate ST3120026A (yeah, this one for less than $70) will come down to that low $49 price pretty soon, two weeks tops. Do you think Best Buy makes it a practice to sell items at a loss?
Um, look again. The two drives on that link that are under $70 are not only diffrent model numbers, but they're 80 GB drives with a 2MB cache.
The drive in question is a 120 GB with an 8 MB cache.
As for selling at a loss, they do and they don't.
In some cases, you have no choice. Let's say that I have a laptop that's 3 months old. My cost to bring it into the store was $1000 (3 months ago, when the company purchased 10,000 of them). It's a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB, 80 GB HDD, 15.4 WXGA, DVD Burner. The Retail Price of it is $1,100. Sometimes it will go On Sale for $1000 after $100 Mail In Rebates. That's selling at cost, but you know it'll make money, because less than 100% of the rebates will be redeamed.
Now, let's say the manufacturer of the laptop comes out with a new model. Identicle specs, except it's a 3.0GHz Proc. Oh, and our cost is $900 for this one, because, well, it's just gotten cheaper to make in those three months. MSRP on this Laptop is $1000. That's my cost on the old model. What do I do, sell two identicle laptops, one with a faster processor thn the other for the same price? Do I jack the price on the new one so nobody will buy it, and drive people to the compitition? Or do I drop the price of the old one, enough that it'll blow out my remaining inventory, fast to minimize my losses? After all, if it sits for annother 3 months, then even newer stuff will come out, and then I'll be eating $200 or $300 per unit, rather than just $100 per unit.
So the choice is farily obvious. Make back what you can on it, and accept the loss as a business expense. We overordered. It happens. You can never estimate with 100% accuracy. But, wait, we can minimize the loss a bit. Let's advertise it as $900 after $200 in Mail In Rebates. Now we do some math using the historical statistics and we figure that we'll pay out $0.60 on the dollar, so we wind up moving the laptops at $980 each.
It's just one scenario in a hundred. What do you think happens to in store demos? How many of those do you think are sold above cost? Retailers are basicly making back what they can on most of them, save the very high end ones.
Of course there are other strategies for loss leaders. Upsell the other stuff in the store that you know the customer is going to need anyway. A notebook case, antivirus software, a wireless router, wireless mouse, extended service, whatever. Suddenly the $20 we're loosing on the laptop itself is made up for by the $200 in margin you attached to it. Maybe 2 out of 3 will have an attach rate like that, bringing it profitable again.
Do they have your best interests in mind? Not really, but to an extent, yes. They want you to be happy shopping there, until that happyness cuts into their profits. Once that happens, they could and should care less if you're happy.
Now as far as the drive being down to $50 in two weeks, so what? Best Buy had this drive for $50 a week ago. You could have picked it up Sunday. and gotten 2 weeks extra use out of it. Yeah, you've got $50 tied up too, but if price falls that fast, every chain under the sun has price protection too.
The retail market is too saturated and sinister to tolerate anything as sinister as I think you're implying. If any one company was really some evil empire out to steal your soul, then they'd rapidly loose all their customers and go out of business.
As far as too good to be true, it's really not. Something like 25% of Mail In Rebates are never even filled out, let alone sent in. That's a $0.75 on the dollar payout before you even factor in the ones that will be denied. So right there, that's $62.50 the drive is selling for on average.
Don't get me wrong, I hate mail-in rebates myself, and tend to avoid products that have them when it's practical. But I certainly understand the attraction and the logic behind them too. They're not completly nonsensical.
No, people. Even most people who you'd consider dumb, tend to be somewhat sensible with their money. People check out the weekly circulars for Circuit City, Best Buy, Staples, Tweeter, Office Max, whoever, and go where the deals are. Most of the time these deals involve rebates.
As for being cheaper online, at random, I looked up a hard drive from BestBuy.com (It's in their ad this week in the circular). Seagate Barracuda 120.0GB model number ST3120026A
Best Buy's Price: $99.99 - $50 MIR = $49.99
The Best Froogle could do wiht that same model number? $70 for a refurbished white box.
Best Pricewatch could do for that drive? $62 (This was a diffrent model number, but to be fair, as far as I could tell, same specs. The same model number was $74)
Best Pricewatch could do on ANY 120GB Drive? $53 for 5200RPM Drives.
It's just one example picked at random. I'm sure if we wanted to get into a pissing contest, you could find plenty of stuff that's cheaper online than what BBY sells it for after rebates. Point is, they're not all just horrible ripoffs designed to fuck you in the ass. Get overyourself and take off the tinfoil hat.
From what I've heard, it's actually illegal in some locations to offer diffrent prices on diffrent methods of payment. Basicly, if you post $500 as the price of something, it has to be $500, cash credit, debit, whatever. As long as it's a method of payment you accept.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this? I know it's not a U.S. federal law at least, as I know some state's gas stations charge more for credit.
I can't speak for other retailers, but you do understand that many products that Best Buy carries, such as PCs, have retardedly low margin on them? More often than not, the proce you see on the tag after rebate is below the company's cost. Other areas such ar home theater gear are a diffrent story. There's plenty of margin in most of that except in the lower end stuff. But the point stands, often rebates allow retailers to play a dangerous game, where they advertise a price below their cost, and since they know that say, only 75% of them will be redeamed, they have an idea how low they can go below cost.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But it works enough to keep the companies profitable. Maybe this is a sign that it's becoming less profitable. People are becoming accustomed to rebates.
Here's the thing, if only 50% of people send in rebates and actually get them back then that means that Best Buy or Circuit City or Compaq, or whoever is only paying $0.50 on the dollar for the rebates.
So in effect, that PC that's $550 - a $50 Mail in Rebate is netting an average of $525
Now what if the cost of that Machine is $510?
Margins are very thin on PCs, and it's not uncommon at all for rebates to bring the cost of an item below it's cost for the retailer.
Is this the consumer's problem? Conventional wisdom would say no. However, when those machines that were $500 now start at $520, well, that's $20 that some people are going to loose out on for that PC.
Rebates aren't 100% evil. They have their good side adn their bad side.
Wow, that seriously seems like the most awesome thing ever. I'm 25 now and you seriously made me jealous that we didn't have things like that when I was a kid.
You know, when Wind Waker came out, I said exactly that. I never thought that it looked too "kiddy" or anything like that. It's a video game. But certain franchises are better suited to it than others.
I never thought of Zelda as dark like Resident Evil. But I never thought of it as light hearted and goofy like Kirby either. If a Kirby game was cell shaded, and it didn't stink (I'm looking at you, Kirby's Air Ride!) I'd be all over it. The style is SUPER apropriate for the franchise.
But the Zelda series, I always thought of as more serious. More... like how the Lord of the Rings movies were portrayed. In fact, as soon as I saw LoTR, that was my first reaction. That is how *I* always envisioned the Zelda universe. Epic. A little dark, a little light hearted, and heroic.
I guess it just goes to show that everyone's personal vision of what Zelda is will be diffrent. This one just seems to be more in line with it for me.
How do you pay for them online? Credit card? Don't you technically need to be 18 for that too? Or if you use your parents' isn't that basicly keeping you from buying something they wouldn't approve of anyway?
I think you misunderstand what I mean. Read, scan, makes no diffrence, it's still basicly what you would be doing if it all went to your inbox, isn't it?
Here's an old screen scrape from my yahoo inbox with some names / addresses stripped off:
r stevens [dieselsweeties] kitty cat news [t-shirts] 9/23/2002 12:06 PM xxxxxx@proBilling.com Error 9/23/2002 11:39... admin@localhost.net Site Usage Notification for site female-ejaculation.com 9/22/2002 11:01 PM r stevens [dieselsweeties] way less fun than sugar sandwiches... 9/22/2002 10:11 PM admin@localhost.net Site Usage Notification for site female-ejaculation.com 9/21/2002 11:01 PM Vicky High $$ Paid! NAU 9/21/2002 2:19 PM Blizzard Insider Blizzard Insider - Issue #10: Blizzard Entertainment A... 9/21/2002 2:05 PM xxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com Your order has been recieved. 9/21/2002 9:19 AM xxxxxxxx@widdershins.com Your order has been recieved. 9/21/2002 9:19 AM Justin xxxxx Party invite 9/20/2002 11:57 PM Mindy xxxxxxx weekend 9/20/2002 3:12 PM
Now, how is scanning through this any more or less work than scanning through a seperate folder? I don't see any reason to use a whitelist if you're just going to be rettaining all the other stuff that you suspect is "junk" anyway.
So you basicly read everything anyway? Doesn't sount terribly useful to me.
I run my own domain. Aside from running a web site that's basicly just a dumping ground for files for me, I use it for my email.
If use myname@example.org as my primary email address, then I'll use that for giving out purposes to friends, etc.
Everyone else follow this simple format: If I sign up for a msn account, I'll use msn@example.org If I sign up for a carfax thingy, I'll use carfax@example.org It all forwards to myname@example.org anyway, but this way, if I ever recieve any spam, I instantly know where they got my address, and I can blacklist anything with that address in the header.
So far, I have 5 addresses blacklisted, from the past 3 years, simply because I'm careful about where I use my email address and what checkboxes are checked when I sign up for something.
I do not do this with my business sites, because well, frankly, I need my address published for those. They get a ton of spam. But I have a plan to work around that too.
It has nothing to do wiht learning to "game the system". It has to do with not posting tripe, or making an asshat out of myself. When I post something, against the grain or with it, I'd like to think it's well thought out at least. So far, "the system" has agreed with me. As for my post history, I didn't realize that only subscribers can see full histories now. Here's afewexamples from my inbox though.
Look through my post history. I'll give you a while. I can wait.
See that? That's me regularly posting comments that are pro-Microsoft and (shock, horror!) getting modded up for them. (Or at least not getting modded down.)
Is there a "party line" on slashdot? Yes, absolutly, 100%. However, if you post intelligent, relevant commentary, it doesn't matter if you go against the grain now and then. The moderation / metamod system on slashdot is very well done and works as it should far more often than not.
Then you can't go wrong with either the Linksys RT31P2 (Wired) or the WRT54GP2 (Wireless B/G).
Both are combinaton routers / ATAs in one device, so QOS is quick and seamless.
Only down side that I can see is that they only have three physical ethernet ports each (not counting the WAN port), so if your wired network is more than three nodes, you'll need a switch or some other additional solution.
The firmware even lets you control QOS further, by connection (LAN port 1, 2, 3, etc), by "application" (FTP, HTTP, Telnet, etc), or by specific port numbers.
Of course both these devices are proprietary and won't work (as ATAs at least) with VoIP providers other than Vonage. But if you want, I suppose you could jerry rig something with annother ATA as an end point, just using these for the QOS control.
Oh, absolutly. However, they did discover one very much "duh" prospect. Monkeys, being living somewhat inteligent things, aren't random. They like to play with things, and they have interests, and disintrests, etc. Hence, the basic premise is flawed.
You do realize that the Warcraft franchise is older than Starcraft, right? That there were two full games and numerous expansion packs released before Starcraft ever was? And that Starcraft has had only one game with one (outstanding) expansion, compared to three full warcraft RTSes, with at least two expansions, one MMORPG, and an aborted adventure game.
If anything, I'd say warcraft is the older, more played out franchise. And something about Starcraft always made it more FUN than warcraft for me too. That's just personal taste though.
P.S., I'm not a lawyer, I just have some periphrial experience with contract law, and had the help of a good lawyer in designing my own contracts for my business. If anything is a little bit off, then it's probably my misunderstanding what he explained to me.
In most places, there are basicly two types of written contracts that the law recognizes:
Negotiated - What you're thiking about, where you and annother party have the ability to negotiate, haggle, and come to a consensus.
Contracts of Adhesion - This includes ELUAs, the contract between you and your electric company, etc. These are non negotiable.
Seems unfair, doesn't it? There is a bright side. Contracts of Adhesion are generally held to a higher standard than Negotiable contracts. If there's ambiguous wording, or a typo, or whatever, it doesn't matter, the law takes that literally, and the company or entity that wrote the contract is held responsible. Basicly, if in doubt, with a Contract of Adhesion, the law will side with the party that had no choice.
We use these contracts every day. No major provider of services would be able to do business without them. Public utilities, airlines, software vendors, schools, telcos, ISPs all use these types of contracts.
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I bet right now however that the Seagate ST3120026A (yeah, this one for less than $70) will come down to that low $49 price pretty soon, two weeks tops. Do you think Best Buy makes it a practice to sell items at a loss?
Um, look again. The two drives on that link that are under $70 are not only diffrent model numbers, but they're 80 GB drives with a 2MB cache.
The drive in question is a 120 GB with an 8 MB cache.
As for selling at a loss, they do and they don't.
In some cases, you have no choice. Let's say that I have a laptop that's 3 months old. My cost to bring it into the store was $1000 (3 months ago, when the company purchased 10,000 of them). It's a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB, 80 GB HDD, 15.4 WXGA, DVD Burner. The Retail Price of it is $1,100. Sometimes it will go On Sale for $1000 after $100 Mail In Rebates. That's selling at cost, but you know it'll make money, because less than 100% of the rebates will be redeamed.
Now, let's say the manufacturer of the laptop comes out with a new model. Identicle specs, except it's a 3.0GHz Proc. Oh, and our cost is $900 for this one, because, well, it's just gotten cheaper to make in those three months. MSRP on this Laptop is $1000. That's my cost on the old model. What do I do, sell two identicle laptops, one with a faster processor thn the other for the same price? Do I jack the price on the new one so nobody will buy it, and drive people to the compitition? Or do I drop the price of the old one, enough that it'll blow out my remaining inventory, fast to minimize my losses? After all, if it sits for annother 3 months, then even newer stuff will come out, and then I'll be eating $200 or $300 per unit, rather than just $100 per unit.
So the choice is farily obvious. Make back what you can on it, and accept the loss as a business expense. We overordered. It happens. You can never estimate with 100% accuracy. But, wait, we can minimize the loss a bit. Let's advertise it as $900 after $200 in Mail In Rebates. Now we do some math using the historical statistics and we figure that we'll pay out $0.60 on the dollar, so we wind up moving the laptops at $980 each.
It's just one scenario in a hundred. What do you think happens to in store demos? How many of those do you think are sold above cost? Retailers are basicly making back what they can on most of them, save the very high end ones.
Of course there are other strategies for loss leaders. Upsell the other stuff in the store that you know the customer is going to need anyway. A notebook case, antivirus software, a wireless router, wireless mouse, extended service, whatever. Suddenly the $20 we're loosing on the laptop itself is made up for by the $200 in margin you attached to it. Maybe 2 out of 3 will have an attach rate like that, bringing it profitable again.
Do they have your best interests in mind? Not really, but to an extent, yes. They want you to be happy shopping there, until that happyness cuts into their profits. Once that happens, they could and should care less if you're happy.
Now as far as the drive being down to $50 in two weeks, so what? Best Buy had this drive for $50 a week ago. You could have picked it up Sunday. and gotten 2 weeks extra use out of it. Yeah, you've got $50 tied up too, but if price falls that fast, every chain under the sun has price protection too.
The retail market is too saturated and sinister to tolerate anything as sinister as I think you're implying. If any one company was really some evil empire out to steal your soul, then they'd rapidly loose all their customers and go out of business.
As far as too good to be true, it's really not. Something like 25% of Mail In Rebates are never even filled out, let alone sent in. That's a $0.75 on the dollar payout before you even factor in the ones that will be denied. So right there, that's $62.50 the drive is selling for on average.
Don't get me wrong, I hate mail-in rebates myself, and tend to avoid products that have them when it's practical. But I certainly understand the attraction and the logic behind them too. They're not completly nonsensical.
No, people. Even most people who you'd consider dumb, tend to be somewhat sensible with their money. People check out the weekly circulars for Circuit City, Best Buy, Staples, Tweeter, Office Max, whoever, and go where the deals are. Most of the time these deals involve rebates.
As for being cheaper online, at random, I looked up a hard drive from BestBuy.com (It's in their ad this week in the circular). Seagate Barracuda 120.0GB model number ST3120026A
Best Buy's Price: $99.99 - $50 MIR = $49.99
The Best Froogle could do wiht that same model number? $70 for a refurbished white box.
Best Pricewatch could do for that drive? $62 (This was a diffrent model number, but to be fair, as far as I could tell, same specs. The same model number was $74)
Best Pricewatch could do on ANY 120GB Drive? $53 for 5200RPM Drives.
It's just one example picked at random. I'm sure if we wanted to get into a pissing contest, you could find plenty of stuff that's cheaper online than what BBY sells it for after rebates. Point is, they're not all just horrible ripoffs designed to fuck you in the ass. Get overyourself and take off the tinfoil hat.
From what I've heard, it's actually illegal in some locations to offer diffrent prices on diffrent methods of payment. Basicly, if you post $500 as the price of something, it has to be $500, cash credit, debit, whatever. As long as it's a method of payment you accept.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this? I know it's not a U.S. federal law at least, as I know some state's gas stations charge more for credit.
Um... no.
I can't speak for other retailers, but you do understand that many products that Best Buy carries, such as PCs, have retardedly low margin on them? More often than not, the proce you see on the tag after rebate is below the company's cost. Other areas such ar home theater gear are a diffrent story. There's plenty of margin in most of that except in the lower end stuff. But the point stands, often rebates allow retailers to play a dangerous game, where they advertise a price below their cost, and since they know that say, only 75% of them will be redeamed, they have an idea how low they can go below cost.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But it works enough to keep the companies profitable. Maybe this is a sign that it's becoming less profitable. People are becoming accustomed to rebates.
Here's the thing, if only 50% of people send in rebates and actually get them back then that means that Best Buy or Circuit City or Compaq, or whoever is only paying $0.50 on the dollar for the rebates.
So in effect, that PC that's $550 - a $50 Mail in Rebate is netting an average of $525
Now what if the cost of that Machine is $510?
Margins are very thin on PCs, and it's not uncommon at all for rebates to bring the cost of an item below it's cost for the retailer.
Is this the consumer's problem? Conventional wisdom would say no. However, when those machines that were $500 now start at $520, well, that's $20 that some people are going to loose out on for that PC.
Rebates aren't 100% evil. They have their good side adn their bad side.
Not everyone likes MMO games.
I probably spend that much a year or more, but most of my time is spent playing single player games, or in-the-same-room multiplayer console games.
Network games just usually don't apeal to me unless I'm playing people I know.
Wow, that seriously seems like the most awesome thing ever. I'm 25 now and you seriously made me jealous that we didn't have things like that when I was a kid.
You know, when Wind Waker came out, I said exactly that. I never thought that it looked too "kiddy" or anything like that. It's a video game. But certain franchises are better suited to it than others.
I never thought of Zelda as dark like Resident Evil. But I never thought of it as light hearted and goofy like Kirby either. If a Kirby game was cell shaded, and it didn't stink (I'm looking at you, Kirby's Air Ride!) I'd be all over it. The style is SUPER apropriate for the franchise.
But the Zelda series, I always thought of as more serious. More... like how the Lord of the Rings movies were portrayed. In fact, as soon as I saw LoTR, that was my first reaction. That is how *I* always envisioned the Zelda universe. Epic. A little dark, a little light hearted, and heroic.
I guess it just goes to show that everyone's personal vision of what Zelda is will be diffrent. This one just seems to be more in line with it for me.
How do you pay for them online? Credit card? Don't you technically need to be 18 for that too? Or if you use your parents' isn't that basicly keeping you from buying something they wouldn't approve of anyway?
Just curious.
A Google search for that quote returns nothing what so ever.
Can you cite anything as evidence? Any credible journal or publication? an MP3 or video clip of him saying it in a speach or interview?
I think you misunderstand what I mean. Read, scan, makes no diffrence, it's still basicly what you would be doing if it all went to your inbox, isn't it?
... ... 9/22/2002 10:11 PM
Here's an old screen scrape from my yahoo inbox with some names / addresses stripped off:
r stevens [dieselsweeties] kitty cat news [t-shirts] 9/23/2002 12:06 PM
xxxxxx@proBilling.com Error 9/23/2002 11:39
admin@localhost.net Site Usage Notification for site female-ejaculation.com 9/22/2002 11:01 PM
r stevens [dieselsweeties] way less fun than sugar sandwiches
admin@localhost.net Site Usage Notification for site female-ejaculation.com 9/21/2002 11:01 PM
Vicky High $$ Paid! NAU 9/21/2002 2:19 PM
Blizzard Insider Blizzard Insider - Issue #10: Blizzard Entertainment A... 9/21/2002 2:05 PM
xxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com Your order has been recieved. 9/21/2002 9:19 AM
xxxxxxxx@widdershins.com Your order has been recieved. 9/21/2002 9:19 AM
Justin xxxxx Party invite 9/20/2002 11:57 PM
Mindy xxxxxxx weekend 9/20/2002 3:12 PM
Now, how is scanning through this any more or less work than scanning through a seperate folder? I don't see any reason to use a whitelist if you're just going to be rettaining all the other stuff that you suspect is "junk" anyway.
So you basicly read everything anyway? Doesn't sount terribly useful to me.
I run my own domain. Aside from running a web site that's basicly just a dumping ground for files for me, I use it for my email.
If use myname@example.org as my primary email address, then I'll use that for giving out purposes to friends, etc.
Everyone else follow this simple format: If I sign up for a msn account, I'll use msn@example.org If I sign up for a carfax thingy, I'll use carfax@example.org It all forwards to myname@example.org anyway, but this way, if I ever recieve any spam, I instantly know where they got my address, and I can blacklist anything with that address in the header.
So far, I have 5 addresses blacklisted, from the past 3 years, simply because I'm careful about where I use my email address and what checkboxes are checked when I sign up for something.
I do not do this with my business sites, because well, frankly, I need my address published for those. They get a ton of spam. But I have a plan to work around that too.
It has nothing to do wiht learning to "game the system". It has to do with not posting tripe, or making an asshat out of myself. When I post something, against the grain or with it, I'd like to think it's well thought out at least. So far, "the system" has agreed with me. As for my post history, I didn't realize that only subscribers can see full histories now. Here's a few examples from my inbox though.
Look through my post history. I'll give you a while. I can wait.
See that? That's me regularly posting comments that are pro-Microsoft and (shock, horror!) getting modded up for them. (Or at least not getting modded down.)
Is there a "party line" on slashdot? Yes, absolutly, 100%. However, if you post intelligent, relevant commentary, it doesn't matter if you go against the grain now and then. The moderation / metamod system on slashdot is very well done and works as it should far more often than not.
Then you can't go wrong with either the Linksys RT31P2 (Wired) or the WRT54GP2 (Wireless B/G).
Both are combinaton routers / ATAs in one device, so QOS is quick and seamless.
Only down side that I can see is that they only have three physical ethernet ports each (not counting the WAN port), so if your wired network is more than three nodes, you'll need a switch or some other additional solution.
The firmware even lets you control QOS further, by connection (LAN port 1, 2, 3, etc), by "application" (FTP, HTTP, Telnet, etc), or by specific port numbers.
Of course both these devices are proprietary and won't work (as ATAs at least) with VoIP providers other than Vonage. But if you want, I suppose you could jerry rig something with annother ATA as an end point, just using these for the QOS control.
You do understand that Pokemon is a video game, right?
How do you think warcraft got talked about a lot recently? They released games. How many years was it between the release of II and III?
Oh, absolutly. However, they did discover one very much "duh" prospect. Monkeys, being living somewhat inteligent things, aren't random. They like to play with things, and they have interests, and disintrests, etc. Hence, the basic premise is flawed.
Yeah, I hear that almost everyone did too. Nobody uses QWERTY any more. Nope, nobody at all.
Doesn't work., Monkeys will not reproduce Shakespeare, because monkeys are not true random number generators.
You will mostly just get the letter "s".
You do realize that the Warcraft franchise is older than Starcraft, right? That there were two full games and numerous expansion packs released before Starcraft ever was? And that Starcraft has had only one game with one (outstanding) expansion, compared to three full warcraft RTSes, with at least two expansions, one MMORPG, and an aborted adventure game.
If anything, I'd say warcraft is the older, more played out franchise. And something about Starcraft always made it more FUN than warcraft for me too. That's just personal taste though.
P.S., I'm not a lawyer, I just have some periphrial experience with contract law, and had the help of a good lawyer in designing my own contracts for my business. If anything is a little bit off, then it's probably my misunderstanding what he explained to me.
Afcually, it doesn't work like that at all.
In most places, there are basicly two types of written contracts that the law recognizes:
Negotiated - What you're thiking about, where you and annother party have the ability to negotiate, haggle, and come to a consensus.
Contracts of Adhesion - This includes ELUAs, the contract between you and your electric company, etc. These are non negotiable.
Seems unfair, doesn't it? There is a bright side. Contracts of Adhesion are generally held to a higher standard than Negotiable contracts. If there's ambiguous wording, or a typo, or whatever, it doesn't matter, the law takes that literally, and the company or entity that wrote the contract is held responsible. Basicly, if in doubt, with a Contract of Adhesion, the law will side with the party that had no choice.
We use these contracts every day. No major provider of services would be able to do business without them. Public utilities, airlines, software vendors, schools, telcos, ISPs all use these types of contracts.
For more info, use google. ( :
Ah, but that's the diffrence. Yahoo isn't a search engine. It's an index. Like DMOZ.
Nearly as good. Thanks, I never tried to fire up a web browser in 2K3, and I no longer have access to it to do so. Thanks.