Don't forget the Treo. People have been running applications on Palm OS-based cell phones for over five years now, on practically every carrier network, and it provides none of the modern security features of Symbian and Windows Mobile.
This security excuse is a massive red herring. Besides, if it were true, it would not be very flattering for Apple, for it would mean one or more of several possibilities:
1. The iPhone is not really running OS X, and lacks the security model of Darwin / BSD. 2. The iPhone is running an old or stripped down version of OS X, and lacks the code signing features of Leopard. 3. The iPhone is fragile, and third-party applications could easily exploit its flaws. 4. The iPhone is running a suite of hand-crafted applications written by experts, without using SDK-quality libraries. 5. Apple is beholden to AT&T, who wants the phone locked down.
I'm sorry, I know that everyone here at slashdot disagrees with me, but luckily I have some karma built up, so I can say something like this.
You boot-licking Republican cocksucker, you think you have karma to burn? I piss on Steve Jobs in Apple threads, that's some fucking karma!
Ok, seriously, what's with the whiny persecution complex, and where the in Allah's name are you getting your information? People had to turn to BBC and al-fucking-Jazeera to get some real news on the invasion, because all the American outlets were only feeding us what the military was giving them.
And in case you forgot, our soldiers have gone to jail for raping and killing Iraqis. That's what's great about this country, some modicum of justice is actually served because not everything can be hidden from teh librul media!
Flash revolutionized nothing. Flash is the antithesis of AJAX, not its progenitor. Otherwise you might as well credit Java, because far more serious browser-based applications were written with that technology.
Though I supposed they deserve credit for being so doggedly cross-platform and cross-browser. YouTube succeeded thanks to Flash, because they were not beholden to Microsoft or to Real or to Apple.
I haven't had my resume on the market in over four years, and I still get sub-literate headhunter spam. The worst is from people actually using texting slang. Recruiters by their very nature offend me, so there is something particularly annoying about getting an unsolicited form letter from what it is supposedly the most "desirable" place to work.
Then again, maybe I'm just projecting hostility because I'm afraid of their interview process.
That was the Reagan years, and she did it with other bored Washington housewives, as it was fashionable due to Nancy's whining about drugs.
And really. A but-but-but Democrats! argument? Do you honestly think anyone here gives a shit what party it comes from? The conservative impulse knows no party lines.
And yet, MySpace employs people who designed that system and most of the default templates. The "pros" failed, miserably. Your hypothetical 20 year-old power user is likely to produce a far better layout than the simpletons who frequent MySpace. (Of course, the flaw of MySpace is the tools, not the users. The power user is more adept at HTML.)
I was giving you line to run with, as I've seen some pretty pathetic interface designs in my time, written by clients and business analysts. Everyone thinks they can design software because they use software.
I've also known some obnoxiously stupid UI engineers as well. Something about designing software without actually knowing how to program gives them an inferiority complex, resulting in a chip on their shoulder and a sad pompous tendency to constantly justify their existence. They confuses aesthetics with usability, treat their pet system as "best practices", and generally mistake their narrow expertise as evidence of competence. They also whine a lot.
Like programming in general, the far greatest asset in designing user interfaces is experience - experience in the task, and a wide breadth of experience with different paradigms on different platforms used in different domains. If you had that experience you would realize that Apple is just another vendor selling a different kind of widgets. There is absolutely nothing de facto about them.
Why should anyone listen to some 20-year-old slashdot "power user" that has spent half their life meddling in MS operating systems?
Why shouldn't they? The great thing about UI design is that anyone can do it, because everyone has experience with user interfaces and knows what they like and don't like.
Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply ignorant. The Apple Human Interface Guidelines have been the de facto standard for years.
Only in your little Mac ghetto, cultist.
(I supposed I'll be moderated again - a weak attempt at punishment for calling someone a cultist, when the target of that accusation had no response other than to tell me to confer to a book unquestioningly.)
Since the command key is so overused (thank you, unimouse), doesn't that defeat the purpose of requiring it for dangerous tasks? It's Cancel or Allow all over again.
Only a cultist wouldn't understand that even from a UI perspective, the Mac is inferior in so many respects. They confuse good design with "the way Apple does it". I mean, have you ever considered that maybe the reason people want it like Windows is because the Windows way is better?
That said, I want to shoot the person who decided that backspace should activate the "back" function of a browser, which Firefox, IE, and Safari all imitate.
Wow, that's great! So I just put the Ubuntu disc in the CD-ROM and... uh... Ok, I plug a USB drive in the USB connector and... WTF? I guess I have to mount it as a network share... um... Well, then, it must have a serial port for debugging and reflashing... fuck!
Have maximize remove useless title bar. Make alt-tab cycle distinct windows. Recognize ctrl-based shortcuts. Have a close button on the preferences window.
Otherwise it's the best software available for the Mac, after Boot Camp.
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Speaking as someone who believes in nothing, I think it's neat that a nation as pluralistic as India has so many different kinds of right wing kook.
But if you kill all the Christians, there won't be an America to invade Iraq in the future. You'd be saving lives!
Embedded Visual C++ 4.0 is free. It works with the Windows Mobile 5 SDK. Knock yourself out.
But don't stop there.
Series 60
Palm OS (Treo SDK)
BlackBerry
Don't forget the Treo. People have been running applications on Palm OS-based cell phones for over five years now, on practically every carrier network, and it provides none of the modern security features of Symbian and Windows Mobile.
This security excuse is a massive red herring. Besides, if it were true, it would not be very flattering for Apple, for it would mean one or more of several possibilities:
1. The iPhone is not really running OS X, and lacks the security model of Darwin / BSD.
2. The iPhone is running an old or stripped down version of OS X, and lacks the code signing features of Leopard.
3. The iPhone is fragile, and third-party applications could easily exploit its flaws.
4. The iPhone is running a suite of hand-crafted applications written by experts, without using SDK-quality libraries.
5. Apple is beholden to AT&T, who wants the phone locked down.
Yes, but Peter Jackson said his movies are an allegory about technology with a healthy dose of thinly veiled racism. Who is right?
You do realize that he basically said that the iPhone is too unstable for third party development? What bar, exactly, will they be setting?
What are you going to do with it all once you've built it?
Owning a lot of high-tech crap does not enhance your life.
If you're trying to impress the easily impressed, it's easier to buy an expensive sports car.
Let's send Al Gore to the Moon so that he can monitor the Earth's climate.
It is pre-ordained, he is to be First Emperor of the Moon.
"For I have ridden the MIGHTY MOON WORM!"
"I didn't want anything to do with the Bug because it reminded me of Herbie the Love Bug"
That's fair. I don't want anything to do with Transformers because it reminds me of Pearl Harbor.
I'm sorry, I know that everyone here at slashdot disagrees with me, but luckily I have some karma built up, so I can say something like this.
You boot-licking Republican cocksucker, you think you have karma to burn? I piss on Steve Jobs in Apple threads, that's some fucking karma!
Ok, seriously, what's with the whiny persecution complex, and where the in Allah's name are you getting your information? People had to turn to BBC and al-fucking-Jazeera to get some real news on the invasion, because all the American outlets were only feeding us what the military was giving them.
And in case you forgot, our soldiers have gone to jail for raping and killing Iraqis. That's what's great about this country, some modicum of justice is actually served because not everything can be hidden from teh librul media!
Brady would like to have records of every time any firearm is touched by a human being, with DNA records attached, and under realtime surveillance.
I hear they've got castration on the table as well. You'd better go hide!
Flash revolutionized nothing. Flash is the antithesis of AJAX, not its progenitor. Otherwise you might as well credit Java, because far more serious browser-based applications were written with that technology.
Though I supposed they deserve credit for being so doggedly cross-platform and cross-browser. YouTube succeeded thanks to Flash, because they were not beholden to Microsoft or to Real or to Apple.
I haven't had my resume on the market in over four years, and I still get sub-literate headhunter spam. The worst is from people actually using texting slang. Recruiters by their very nature offend me, so there is something particularly annoying about getting an unsolicited form letter from what it is supposedly the most "desirable" place to work.
Then again, maybe I'm just projecting hostility because I'm afraid of their interview process.
That was the Reagan years, and she did it with other bored Washington housewives, as it was fashionable due to Nancy's whining about drugs.
And really. A but-but-but Democrats! argument? Do you honestly think anyone here gives a shit what party it comes from? The conservative impulse knows no party lines.
The same organization that censors television regulates wireless carriers. Once upon a time you couldn't swear on the telephone.
Hahah, stupid liberals. They're whining about something many conservatives would implement if they could if not for the resistance of stupid liberals.
Some chick named Bianca? Same text, "openness" and "opportunities" phrases transposed. Ignored it. Fucking spammers.
And yet, MySpace employs people who designed that system and most of the default templates. The "pros" failed, miserably. Your hypothetical 20 year-old power user is likely to produce a far better layout than the simpletons who frequent MySpace. (Of course, the flaw of MySpace is the tools, not the users. The power user is more adept at HTML.)
I was giving you line to run with, as I've seen some pretty pathetic interface designs in my time, written by clients and business analysts. Everyone thinks they can design software because they use software.
I've also known some obnoxiously stupid UI engineers as well. Something about designing software without actually knowing how to program gives them an inferiority complex, resulting in a chip on their shoulder and a sad pompous tendency to constantly justify their existence. They confuses aesthetics with usability, treat their pet system as "best practices", and generally mistake their narrow expertise as evidence of competence. They also whine a lot.
Like programming in general, the far greatest asset in designing user interfaces is experience - experience in the task, and a wide breadth of experience with different paradigms on different platforms used in different domains. If you had that experience you would realize that Apple is just another vendor selling a different kind of widgets. There is absolutely nothing de facto about them.
Why should anyone listen to some 20-year-old slashdot "power user" that has spent half their life meddling in MS operating systems?
Why shouldn't they? The great thing about UI design is that anyone can do it, because everyone has experience with user interfaces and knows what they like and don't like.
Wow, congratulations, you defeated Apple and after all that effort managed to accomplish the sort of thing the OSD does by design.
Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply ignorant. The Apple Human Interface Guidelines have been the de facto standard for years.
Only in your little Mac ghetto, cultist.
(I supposed I'll be moderated again - a weak attempt at punishment for calling someone a cultist, when the target of that accusation had no response other than to tell me to confer to a book unquestioningly.)
Since the command key is so overused (thank you, unimouse), doesn't that defeat the purpose of requiring it for dangerous tasks? It's Cancel or Allow all over again.
Only a cultist wouldn't understand that even from a UI perspective, the Mac is inferior in so many respects. They confuse good design with "the way Apple does it". I mean, have you ever considered that maybe the reason people want it like Windows is because the Windows way is better?
That said, I want to shoot the person who decided that backspace should activate the "back" function of a browser, which Firefox, IE, and Safari all imitate.
Wow, that's great! So I just put the Ubuntu disc in the CD-ROM and... uh... Ok, I plug a USB drive in the USB connector and... WTF? I guess I have to mount it as a network share... um... Well, then, it must have a serial port for debugging and reflashing... fuck!
Have maximize remove useless title bar.
Make alt-tab cycle distinct windows.
Recognize ctrl-based shortcuts.
Have a close button on the preferences window.
Otherwise it's the best software available for the Mac, after Boot Camp.
Free software: because some processes are more equal than others.
Someone should mod the parent up, before anyone else comes to this thread late and embarasses themselves by reposting the link.