Tox is licensed under GPL v3 which is incompatible with iOS. Brilliant idea to exclude one of the most popular mobile platforms, this will surely replace Skype.
The American voters don't seem to realize how much damage they're inflicting on the American image across the world by voting for an idiot like George Walker Bush. They really are indicting themselves. A stupid president for stupid people.
Reading this comment and other comments from Linux zealots in this threads, I'm beginning to develop a deep aversion against the Open Source movement. Why should anyone bother with jerks like you? What do you have to offer anyway? Linux has really become a hideout for sociopaths and social rejects. If the Linux community ever wants to gain mainstream support, they'll have to get rid of assholes like you first.
It doesn't work that way in practice. Take for example the new MacOS X interface, there have been reports that it was designed completely behind closed doors, and less than a dozen people knew of its existence before it was officially introduced.
I've never seen anyone ask the general public for input on interface features, both in the commercial and academic world. It's all about competition, not cooperation. Everyone seems to have their own fixed ideas of how to pursue a "next generation" UI.
I firmly believe that developers should not have any influence on the design of the interface. The UI designer will obviously have to work with the developers, but he should retain ultimate control over the appearance and feature set of an application.
I read that in the days before Jobs Apple employed a HI "thought police" that always had the last word on any user interface decision. Contrast this with Microsoft where every developer implements his own pet feature, which often leads to incredibly bloated, dysfunctional applications.
It's true, we're still stuck in the stone age of user-centered computing. The recent popularity of Linux hasn't exactly helped to promote the revolutionary ideas that Jakob Nielsen et al. have proposed _years_ ago. Linux is so badly stuck in the past, it would take a complete redesign to turn it into something that approaches my vision of a 21st century human-computer interface.
Open source interface design has its advantages too. Nobody in the traditional HI research community seems to be interested in a collaborative approach. The ordinary user only enters the picture when they fetch someone off the street and use her as a guinea pig for their usability studies.
This approach generally ignores the fact that the user herself can frequently become a valuable source for new interface ideas. A big pool of creative people is more likely to come up with some suggestions that turn out to be worthwhile. To paraphrase Don Norman: "People propose, science studies, technology conforms." It all starts with the people.
I am not a Gnome user (yet), but I have to admit that the website rocks. It's an impressive one-stop source for all kinds of Gnome related projects, including a Slashdot-like discussion area and an awesome web interface to the 'live' CVS tree that provides hyperlinked cross references inside the source files!
It's a good model to follow, and other open source projects should definitely take note.
Whatever he has to say about BASIC is completely irrelevant, because that is simply not his field of expertise. He is first and foremost a human factors engineer. He has done HCI research at Apple for many years, he founded the Human Interface Group, he played a major part in the Lisa project, which later served as the scientific foundation for the MacOS.
What have YOU done that qualifies you to make disparaging remarks about the man who helped define the Graphical User Interface as we know it?
Thanks Jules, I didn't know that it was so easy to create a copy of an existing work without infringing on someone's copyright. Well, I guess I was wrong then.:)
Why can't Apple protect the appearance of their UI elements like buttons, icons, title bar? They are works of art like paintings or poems. Fonts seem to be well protected, but interface elements are free-for-all? I think Apple has a case here.
Apple had a preemptively multitasking OS with a pretty UI way back in 1983.
Don't feel so special, Linux trolls. Implementing a buzzword-compliant Unix wannabe is almost trivial, and thousands of people do it every year in CS classes all over the world. The real problems start when you try to implement those features while staying backwards compatible with a legacy API. This is the real reason why it took Apple so long to come up with a replacement for MacOS, not the lack of focus or engineering talent.
It protects against closed source extensions AND allows linking to non-GPL'ed open source programs and libraries. The GPL is a politically motivated virus that should be avoided at all cost.
I wonder if Time had chosen Einstein if he hadn't emigrated to the US when he fled from Nazi-Germany. Some people have even claimed Einstein for America, although he retained his Swiss citizenship until his death in 1955.
Einstein himself had ambivalent feelings towards Americans. After his first visit to the US he noted, among other things, that Americans are somewhat shallow compared to Europeans.
Still, I think that even from a global perspective Einstein was probably the best choice.
From the fact that Britain didn't profit from the Marshall plan doesn't follow that it wasn't a very important and generous contribution to the reconstruction of Europe. What have the Brits done to bring about lasting peace on the european continent?
America made a wise move when they effectively made sure that Britain would never rise to its former imperial glory again.
CmdrTaco, where's the disclaimer stating that you own Red Hat stock and have a vital interest in reporting positive news about the company? Slashdot is getting really sleazy these days.
What if you don't have a manual? I got my monitor from a friend, no manual or anything, and I couldn't find the specs on the Web. In fact, I had to email the manufacturer for the supported refresh rates.
> I'd like to hear some criticisim. Anybody out there NOT like NeXTStep?
(Raises hand)
I personally can't stand the interface. The file browser is atrocious, and the vertical menus are not as easy to hit as the Mac menubar. Also, the proportions are all wrong (huge icons, miniscule fonts).
I think the Linux users in this discussion are trying to be reasonable. All they are asking for is the Sorensen codec, not Quicktime itself (the API, player, whatever). Please explain to me how Apple profits by not allowing Sorensen to release their codec (in binary format), when 90% of the population already has access to the technology via Windows. Linux users wouldn't even get editing capabilities or any of the other nifty stuff available in the Windows version of QT. Why is that an unreasonable request?
Why do we have to go through this ``Mozilla is dead'' dance every two weeks when someone new wants their name in the press? Can't they pick on gmake or XFree86 for a change? =).
Don't worry, nobody really believes the stories about Mozilla's demise. We're just trying to wisecrack a little and have some fun in the process. Please keep up the good work!
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Tox is licensed under GPL v3 which is incompatible with iOS. Brilliant idea to exclude one of the most popular mobile platforms, this will surely replace Skype.
Forget McAfee. The best antivirus software for Windows is Kaspersky Antivirus, and they are based in Russia.
The American voters don't seem to realize how much damage they're inflicting on the American image across the world by voting for an idiot like George Walker Bush. They really are indicting themselves. A stupid president for stupid people.
There is a GTK+ for MacOS project on sourceforge.net, but like many other projects it appears to be stuck in the "wishful thinking" phase.
Reading this comment and other comments from Linux zealots in this threads, I'm beginning to develop a deep aversion against the Open Source movement. Why should anyone bother with jerks like you? What do you have to offer anyway? Linux has really become a hideout for sociopaths and social rejects. If the Linux community ever wants to gain mainstream support, they'll have to get rid of assholes like you first.
It doesn't work that way in practice. Take for example the new MacOS X interface, there have been reports that it was designed completely behind closed doors, and less than a dozen people knew of its existence before it was officially introduced.
I've never seen anyone ask the general public for input on interface features, both in the commercial and academic world. It's all about competition, not cooperation. Everyone seems to have their own fixed ideas of how to pursue a "next generation" UI.
I firmly believe that developers should not have any influence on the design of the interface. The UI designer will obviously have to work with the developers, but he should retain ultimate control over the appearance and feature set of an application.
I read that in the days before Jobs Apple employed a HI "thought police" that always had the last word on any user interface decision. Contrast this with Microsoft where every developer implements his own pet feature, which often leads to incredibly bloated, dysfunctional applications.
It's true, we're still stuck in the stone age of user-centered computing. The recent popularity of Linux hasn't exactly helped to promote the revolutionary ideas that Jakob Nielsen et al. have proposed _years_ ago. Linux is so badly stuck in the past, it would take a complete redesign to turn it into something that approaches my vision of a 21st century human-computer interface.
And yes, traditional filesystems are dead.
This approach generally ignores the fact that the user herself can frequently become a valuable source for new interface ideas. A big pool of creative people is more likely to come up with some suggestions that turn out to be worthwhile. To paraphrase Don Norman: "People propose, science studies, technology conforms." It all starts with the people.
I am not a Gnome user (yet), but I have to admit that the website rocks. It's an impressive one-stop source for all kinds of Gnome related projects, including a Slashdot-like discussion area and an awesome web interface to the 'live' CVS tree that provides hyperlinked cross references inside the source files!
It's a good model to follow, and other open source projects should definitely take note.
Whatever he has to say about BASIC is completely irrelevant, because that is simply not his field of expertise. He is first and foremost a human factors engineer. He has done HCI research at Apple for many years, he founded the Human Interface Group, he played a major part in the Lisa project, which later served as the scientific foundation for the MacOS.
What have YOU done that qualifies you to make disparaging remarks about the man who helped define the Graphical User Interface as we know it?
Thanks Jules, I didn't know that it was so easy to create a copy of an existing work without infringing on someone's copyright. Well, I guess I was wrong then. :)
Why can't Apple protect the appearance of their UI elements like buttons, icons, title bar? They are works of art like paintings or poems. Fonts seem to be well protected, but interface elements are free-for-all? I think Apple has a case here.
Don't feel so special, Linux trolls. Implementing a buzzword-compliant Unix wannabe is almost trivial, and thousands of people do it every year in CS classes all over the world. The real problems start when you try to implement those features while staying backwards compatible with a legacy API. This is the real reason why it took Apple so long to come up with a replacement for MacOS, not the lack of focus or engineering talent.
It protects against closed source extensions AND allows linking to non-GPL'ed open source programs and libraries. The GPL is a politically motivated virus that should be avoided at all cost.
Try here.
I wonder if Time had chosen Einstein if he hadn't emigrated to the US when he fled from Nazi-Germany. Some people have even claimed Einstein for America, although he retained his Swiss citizenship until his death in 1955.
Einstein himself had ambivalent feelings towards Americans. After his first visit to the US he noted, among other things, that Americans are somewhat shallow compared to Europeans.
Still, I think that even from a global perspective Einstein was probably the best choice.
From the fact that Britain didn't profit from the Marshall plan doesn't follow that it wasn't a very important and generous contribution to the reconstruction of Europe. What have the Brits done to bring about lasting peace on the european continent?
America made a wise move when they effectively made sure that Britain would never rise to its former imperial glory again.
CmdrTaco, where's the disclaimer stating that you own Red Hat stock and have a vital interest in reporting positive news about the company? Slashdot is getting really sleazy these days.
What if you don't have a manual? I got my monitor from a friend, no manual or anything, and I couldn't find the specs on the Web. In fact, I had to email the manufacturer for the supported refresh rates.
> I'd like to hear some criticisim. Anybody out there NOT like NeXTStep?
(Raises hand)
I personally can't stand the interface. The file browser is atrocious, and the vertical menus are not as easy to hit as the Mac menubar. Also, the proportions are all wrong (huge icons, miniscule fonts).
I *do* like the API though.
I think the Linux users in this discussion are trying to be reasonable. All they are asking for is the Sorensen codec, not Quicktime itself (the API, player, whatever). Please explain to me how Apple profits by not allowing Sorensen to release their codec (in binary format), when 90% of the population already has access to the technology via Windows. Linux users wouldn't even get editing capabilities or any of the other nifty stuff available in the Windows version of QT.
Why is that an unreasonable request?
Just FYI, Apple's WebObjects won the Java Developer's Journal Reader's Choice Award for Best Application Server. Definitely worth a look.
Don't worry, nobody really believes the stories about Mozilla's demise. We're just trying to wisecrack a little and have some fun in the process. Please keep up the good work!