Jesus, my milk is nineteen hundred years out of date!! I want a refund!
I should be happy. At least the store still *had* milk to sell. I definitely see some hoarding here in Boston. All the candles in the supermarket were sold out.
Of course, I have my Baygen radio with a light, so I'm ready for the Y2K food riots and rape gangs.
So, in Spanish, there is a rather big difference between an n with a tilde over it and one without. I assume Hemos was talking about the new year, not a new ass.
Of course, I've heard the stories about the Slashdot compound...
Big Doings for the Millennium. Rod Steward next?
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That Yeltsin will be missed. The only world leader to make Clinton look respectable. I wonder what other announcements people have been holding back for Y2K?
Look at the submission date on this article
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it's NOT going to revolutionize life as we know it.
And yet, Linux already has revolutionized software. Linux and the IPO's of Linux companies, have legitimized the open source development method. This is a very Big Deal. If Linux falls, but OSS continues to be respected, we have all won in the long run.
As for not being able to surpase winblows on the desktop, I think we are in for a treat in 2000. W2K may have fixed some stability issues (I'll believe it when I see it), but it will not stop the incredible negative spiral M$ is in. They are a company in decline. Something will takes its place on Every Desktop. That something could well be Linux with KDE.
Sounds far fetched? Last year, so did a idea of a multibillion dollar Red Hat. The only constant in software is change. The end is nigh for Micros~1.
I have to agree that gnome on RH6.0 didn't turn my motor over. I used it exclusively for six weeks. I found the performance windows 3.1 like. Netscape, already pretty unwieldy, ground to a near halt. Memory was sucked up like there was no tomorrow.
KDE on the other hand, has performed better for me. The multimedia was more stable and the netscape was noticably better behaved. Is it *way* better than gnome? No. But, I like the performance more.
However, the gnome/E combination is very interesting. E is very pretty and very flexible. unfortunately, I don't rate those things very highly.
The MOST IMPORTANT THING about KDE and gnome is that they offer the USER choice. Therefore, I support both. I hope that users get more choices not less.
The only (somewhat) fair to compare linux and win32 is to have the same machine configurations side by side and see how the linux software (kernel and apps) runs compared to win32 (kernel and apps). Running linux with win32 is pointless since the win32 kernel is still running. Now, if you just wanted to show off bash or X, I can see how a linux window would be useful. The performance and stability will blow chunks.
So much for dead threads.:-) I apologize if I missed your point. Like I said, I don't waste much engery converting window users any more. While I think that some efforts to make X more friendly, like KDE, are great, most folks really don't care. Their tasks are not dependent on stability, or even usability. This is just a sad sad fact. Most people only need computers for a very small set of tasks. It's the learning curve they fear. Linux will *always* have a learning curve. If it didn't, most geeks would hate it.
if a version of the linux kernel ran as an app under Microsoft's OSes,
Linux is a kernel. Windows has a kernel. A Kernel is that piece of software which sits on top of the hardware and provides services which user apps take advantage of. You cannot run two kernels at once without a hardware emulation program like VMware.
For starters, how about bootable linux cds?
Have you tried to boot a redhat CD? Caldera? These are bootable. Granted, they boot to an installation program. You can make a boot disk which mounts a live CD filesystem. Slackware, among others has this.
the ability to launch a trimmed down Linux kernel as an app running alongside the other MSWin apps.
Dude, Linux is not a application. Do you not understand what an OS is? Let windows lusers wallow in their crapulance. They obviously don't need linux, so spare yourself a little grief.
One architecture (not too complex?) might be a virtual network card for MSWin that redirects to the Linux TCP/IP stack (the way VMWare does).
VMware is available for NT, so folks can boot linux in a window. Of course, this is like building a castle on swamp land ("But the FORTH castle stood...").
Samba's author keeps pointing out all the ways that MS's implementations have bugs... well, how come they just work, and I have to keep squinting at smb.conf?)
Samba on windo~1 is just a goofy idea. SMB is crappy protocol. I've seen *huge* problems with network browsing. Just cut the cord, son. It only hurts for a minute.
But perhaps they/you need to reinspect that notion: I want a platform or platforms that offer me APIs and services.
API's are for programmers. You could offer a *nix API to win32 (that's what cyngus offers), but you're still building applications on wet sand.
other people here are suggesting a "standard GUI".
Bash is pretty standard across not only linux, but *BSD. As for X, that's just a damned silly notion.:-)
WYSIWYG word processor that can read and create.DOC mail attachments,
StarOffice. Have a blast.
a mail client that works with MS Exchange Server,
Now here is pay dirt. The *only* reason I can't 86 NT at work is because of that bastard Outlook and Exchange. I need access to the stoopid public folders. The day a stable compatible (but not a CLONE! Sweet christ I hate Outlook), is the day I cut the cord. Con much gusto!
All and all, it appears that you have all the things you wanted, MattMann. For additional "trial" Linux distros, try the Linux Router Project. Linux on one floppy!
Pragmatic the way Machiavelli was pragmatic -- utterly devoid of morality.
Holy Hat, Tom! I'll bow to you're better acquaintance to RMS, but I have to think that there are better ways to world domination than FSF and GPL.
While I too have reservations about GPL, I'll need to see a much clearer smoking gun before I warm up the tar(1) for the man(1) that brought us emacs(1) and gcc(1).
Gifts are clearly what people are thinking about when they hear "Free Software". For those that are confortable with this, software gratis is a wonderful community activity. For those that seek the admiration of fellow hackers while not helping to build the walls of propriatary oppression higher, GPL is the very tool required.
Could it possibly be that programmers are motived to work for free by different causes? Absolutely. Is there any reason that these motivations must not conflict with each other? No.
This is the real difference between OSS and FSF. The OSS movement has always been about making the "Big Tent" for hackers. FSF is more like a Revival.
Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition, but I'll just have a look under the Big Tent for a bit.:-)
"Mastering Algorithms" talks about implementing solutions to generic problems. "Cookbook" is a hodge-podge of code tailored to common problems.
For an algorithms book, Wolf is quite nice. It has some wonderful discussions of queues, stacks and their relatives. This far from a so-so book for what the book intends to discuss. Ram is quite nice too for that "how do I find the difference of two arrays again"? type problems.
Which is too bad, because Fight Club as a thorough enjoyable romp through the beleaguered psyche of the lower/middle class male which a fun plot twist. Best Brad Pitt film since Twelve Monkeys. Actually, I liked this film more.
Being kicked from an IRC channel is about as important as a bicycle is to a fish.
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Well as a #perl (ir)regular and op, I'd like to bring up two points that are often lost.
1) #perl is not a helpdesk. Honest.
2) Being kicked from IRC is not a big deal.
I've been kicked from #perl (and by Tom) numerous times. Oh the scars...
Often what happens is someone will come into #perl demanding answers to questions that really require more research on that user's part. If you are kicked from #perl because you are asking legitimate questions, perhaps you need to read some of the basic documentation again (or once).
RFTM is a form of Tuff Luv(tm). If you do the research, you will be a better programmer.
Said another way, #perl will help you become a better fisherman, not a better beggar of fish.
On another note, I've been waiting for CmdrTaco to show up in #perl again. I have to think that a little virtual kicking wouldn't leave so many emotional scars, but he does seem to bring this up a lot. Rob, I think you'd bring some interesting conversation to the table.
For the record, Tom isn't in #perl these days. Something about having a life - I didn't get all the details.:-) </OFFTOPIC>
Anyway, I like the standard 101 layout. It works for me, but then I use emacs. What would I know of Zen?
Despite protestations about awkward syntax and "unique" constructs, Perl still leads the charge in producing dynamic web content. It seems to continue to find new ecological niches to fill, including database manipulation and cross platform system administration.
What's Perl good for? Any job in which programmer's time is more valuable than execution time.
All this said, I can't think Perl would be included in any list of top ten hacks. Not even Larry would suggest this.
My nomination for the GREATEST hack of them all:
Written language.
This more than anything has allowed humanity to improve its condition.
If you look at the charts, Linux seems to have a slight edge over NT for systems on a T1 or 10baseT LAN. I don't know about you, but that matches most of the configurations I work with. It is nice to see that Mindcraft has quantified my own observations, except that uptime is noticably missing, as is normal.
Thanks Mindcraft! Now I can show my boss numbers on why NT is overpriced for our needs.
I had thought that an anology show would be great when Voyager was first announced (shrouded in secrecy). The main character of Star Trek is the *setting* itself. It has a vastly unexplored history. The eugenics war, Capt. Pike's missions, early encounters with Tholians, etc.
Have a revolving cast. I think the fans are in it for the stories anyway.
I dunno. You could call it "Federation" to give it a wide enough scope.
You know, this is pretty funny really. I wish it weren't moderated down, because it is a great example of either:
1) Terrible advocacy style
or
2) Sharp witted satire of a windows luser
As bad advocacy, it is an object lesson for all us zealots about respecting other people OS decisions (however wrong they might be:-). I wish the Linux community would be a bit thicker skinned about mindless attacks. Words won't stop the OSS juggernaut.
As a comedy piece, it's pretty entertaining in a sort of Dilbert Hole way (damned cease and desist orders). "colon*forward*slash"? Not a very observant DOS user. But, I suppose that's somewhat redundant.:-D
It can be tough living in Massachusetts. Not only can you not buy alcohol on sundays (except around Christmas) and your baseball team has won the series since before your father was born, but we're run by a government without any really grasp of the technology needs for the state.
Sure, Boston has a public transportation system, but does it run out to the route 128 "technology corridor"? Only by accident (commuter rail, green line).
I sure hope that bridge being build in the middle of downtown is pretty so it can take my mind off the utter stupidity this state manifests some times. I blame the puritans.
Slashdot Mirror
Jesus, my milk is nineteen hundred years out of date!! I want a refund!
I should be happy. At least the store still *had* milk to sell. I definitely see some hoarding here in Boston. All the candles in the supermarket were sold out.
Of course, I have my Baygen radio with a light, so I'm ready for the Y2K food riots and rape gangs.
So, in Spanish, there is a rather big difference between an n with a tilde over it and one without.
I assume Hemos was talking about the new year, not a new ass.
Of course, I've heard the stories about the Slashdot compound...
That Yeltsin will be missed. The only world leader to make Clinton look respectable. I wonder what other announcements people have been holding back for Y2K?
12-31-1999 00:00:00 :-)
That's Komedy.
it's NOT going to revolutionize life as we know it.
And yet, Linux already has revolutionized software. Linux and the IPO's of Linux companies, have legitimized the open source development method. This is a very Big Deal. If Linux falls, but OSS continues to be respected, we have all won in the long run.
As for not being able to surpase winblows on the desktop, I think we are in for a treat in 2000. W2K may have fixed some stability issues (I'll believe it when I see it), but it will not stop the incredible negative spiral M$ is in. They are a company in decline. Something will takes its place on Every Desktop. That something could well be Linux with KDE.
Sounds far fetched? Last year, so did a idea of a multibillion dollar Red Hat. The only constant in software is change. The end is nigh for Micros~1.
I have to agree that gnome on RH6.0 didn't turn my motor over. I used it exclusively for six weeks. I found the performance windows 3.1 like. Netscape, already pretty unwieldy, ground to a near halt. Memory was sucked up like there was no tomorrow.
KDE on the other hand, has performed better for me. The multimedia was more stable and the netscape was noticably better behaved. Is it *way* better than gnome? No. But, I like the performance more.
However, the gnome/E combination is very interesting. E is very pretty and very flexible.
unfortunately, I don't rate those things very highly.
The MOST IMPORTANT THING about KDE and gnome is that they offer the USER choice. Therefore, I support both. I hope that users get more choices not less.
The only (somewhat) fair to compare linux and win32 is to have the same machine configurations side by side and see how the linux software (kernel and apps) runs compared to win32 (kernel and apps). Running linux with win32 is pointless since the win32 kernel is still running. Now, if you just wanted to show off bash or X, I can see how a linux window would be useful. The performance and stability will blow chunks.
:-)
So much for dead threads.
I apologize if I missed your point. Like I said,
I don't waste much engery converting window users any more. While I think that some efforts to make X more friendly, like KDE, are great, most folks really don't care. Their tasks are not dependent on stability, or even usability. This is just a sad sad fact. Most people only need computers for a very small set of tasks. It's the learning curve they fear. Linux will *always* have a learning curve. If it didn't, most geeks would hate it.
Linux is a kernel. Windows has a kernel. A Kernel is that piece of software which sits on top of the hardware and provides services which user apps take advantage of. You cannot run two kernels at once without a hardware emulation program like VMware.
For starters, how about bootable linux cds?
Have you tried to boot a redhat CD? Caldera? These are bootable. Granted, they boot to an installation program. You can make a boot disk which mounts a live CD filesystem. Slackware, among others has this.
the ability to launch a trimmed down Linux kernel as an app running alongside the other MSWin apps.
Dude, Linux is not a application. Do you not understand what an OS is? Let windows lusers wallow in their crapulance. They obviously don't need linux, so spare yourself a little grief.
One architecture (not too complex?) might be a virtual network card for MSWin that redirects to the Linux TCP/IP stack (the way VMWare does).
VMware is available for NT, so folks can boot linux in a window. Of course, this is like building a castle on swamp land ("But the FORTH castle stood...").
Samba's author keeps pointing out all the ways that MS's implementations have bugs... well, how come they just work, and I have to keep squinting at smb.conf?)
Samba on windo~1 is just a goofy idea. SMB is crappy protocol. I've seen *huge* problems with network browsing. Just cut the cord, son. It only hurts for a minute.
But perhaps they/you need to reinspect that notion: I want a platform or platforms that offer me APIs and services.
API's are for programmers. You could offer a *nix API to win32 (that's what cyngus offers), but you're still building applications on wet sand.
other people here are suggesting a "standard GUI".
Bash is pretty standard across not only linux, but *BSD. As for X, that's just a damned silly notion. :-)
WYSIWYG word processor that can read and create .DOC mail attachments,
StarOffice. Have a blast.
a mail client that works with MS Exchange Server,
Now here is pay dirt. The *only* reason I can't 86 NT at work is because of that bastard Outlook and Exchange. I need access to the stoopid public folders. The day a stable compatible (but not a CLONE! Sweet christ I hate Outlook), is the day I cut the cord. Con much gusto!
All and all, it appears that you have all the things you wanted, MattMann. For additional "trial" Linux distros, try the Linux Router Project. Linux on one floppy!
Good luck with the crusade. You'll need it.
Holy Hat, Tom! I'll bow to you're better acquaintance to RMS, but I have to think that there are better ways to world domination than FSF and GPL.
While I too have reservations about GPL, I'll need to see a much clearer smoking gun before I warm up the tar(1) for the man(1) that brought us emacs(1) and gcc(1).
Gifts are clearly what people are thinking about when they hear "Free Software". For those that are confortable with this, software gratis is a wonderful community activity. For those that seek the admiration of fellow hackers while not helping to build the walls of propriatary oppression higher, GPL is the very tool required.
Could it possibly be that programmers are motived to work for free by different causes? Absolutely. Is there any reason that these motivations must not conflict with each other? No.
This is the real difference between OSS and FSF. The OSS movement has always been about making the "Big Tent" for hackers. FSF is more like a Revival.
Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition, but I'll just have a look under the Big Tent for a bit. :-)
"Mastering Algorithms" talks about implementing solutions to generic problems. "Cookbook" is a hodge-podge of code tailored to common problems.
For an algorithms book, Wolf is quite nice. It has some wonderful discussions of queues, stacks and their relatives. This far from a so-so book for what the book intends to discuss. Ram is quite nice too for that "how do I find the difference of two arrays again"? type problems.
Please DO NOT compare apples to oranges.
Which is too bad, because Fight Club as a thorough enjoyable romp through the beleaguered psyche of the lower/middle class male which a fun plot twist. Best Brad Pitt film since Twelve Monkeys. Actually, I liked this film more.
Yo GO, Girlfriend!
Being kicked from an IRC channel is about as important as a bicycle is to a fish.
Well as a #perl (ir)regular and op, I'd like to bring up two points that are often lost.
1) #perl is not a helpdesk. Honest.
2) Being kicked from IRC is not a big deal.
I've been kicked from #perl (and by Tom) numerous times. Oh the scars...
Often what happens is someone will come into #perl demanding answers to questions that really require more research on that user's part. If you are kicked from #perl because you are asking legitimate questions, perhaps you need to read some of the basic documentation again (or once).
RFTM is a form of Tuff Luv(tm). If you do the research, you will be a better programmer.
Said another way, #perl will help you become a better fisherman, not a better beggar of fish.
On another note, I've been waiting for CmdrTaco to show up in #perl again. I have to think that a little virtual kicking wouldn't leave so many emotional scars, but he does seem to bring this up a lot. Rob, I think you'd bring some interesting conversation to the table.
For the record, Tom isn't in #perl these days. Something about having a life - I didn't get all the details.
</OFFTOPIC>
Anyway, I like the standard 101 layout. It works for me, but then I use emacs. What would I know of Zen?
For politics, getting the Feds to fork over Sagan-esque billions for a state project was stunning.
:)
For engineering, building a huge artery through a
live downtown area and, in some places *next to* the existing elevated highway is amazing.
Of course, the hack isn't done yet.
Despite protestations about awkward syntax and "unique" constructs, Perl still leads the charge in producing dynamic web content. It seems to continue to find new ecological niches to fill, including database manipulation and cross platform system administration.
What's Perl good for? Any job in which programmer's time is more valuable than execution time.
All this said, I can't think Perl would be included in any list of top ten hacks. Not even Larry would suggest this.
My nomination for the GREATEST hack of them all:
Written language.
This more than anything has allowed humanity to improve its condition.
I must admit to getting my panties in a bunch about it.
If you look at the charts, Linux seems to have a slight edge over NT for systems on a T1 or 10baseT LAN. I don't know about you, but that matches most of the configurations I work with.
It is nice to see that Mindcraft has quantified my own observations, except that uptime is noticably missing, as is normal.
Thanks Mindcraft! Now I can show my boss numbers on why NT is overpriced for our needs.
I had thought that an anology show would be great when Voyager was first announced (shrouded in secrecy). The main character of Star Trek is the *setting* itself. It has a vastly unexplored history. The eugenics war, Capt. Pike's missions, early encounters with Tholians, etc.
Have a revolving cast. I think the fans are in it for the stories anyway.
I dunno. You could call it "Federation" to give it a wide enough scope.
Well, I *was* going to point this out. :)
/.-grrls can call their LAN nodes by
/.-grrls. I usually picture slashdot as being somewhat like the A/V club in high school. :D
I suppose
boring hideous male names. For instance:
joe
eugene
clarence
francis
harold
As a side note, it's nice to know that there *are*
That's right. 8M of ram, 300M HD. I wouldn't even wait for the log in screen. Just turned it on before going to bed, login in the morning. :D
And yes, NT really did have a 3.1 version. It was fab.
Marion - Celeron 400 RH 6.0
:)
Jane - Mac Duo 230
Edith - Cyrix MII 300 Caldera 2.2
Molly - Celeron 366 Win95
Don't know why, but these name entertain me.
Prolly need a hazel and martha too.
You know, this is pretty funny really. I wish it weren't moderated down, because it is a great example of either:
:-). I wish the Linux community would be a bit thicker skinned about mindless attacks. Words won't stop the OSS juggernaut.
:-D
1) Terrible advocacy style
or
2) Sharp witted satire of a windows luser
As bad advocacy, it is an object lesson for all us zealots about respecting other people OS decisions (however wrong they might be
As a comedy piece, it's pretty entertaining in a sort of Dilbert Hole way (damned cease and desist orders). "colon*forward*slash"? Not a very observant DOS user. But, I suppose that's somewhat redundant.
cheers
It can be tough living in Massachusetts. Not only can you not buy alcohol on sundays (except around Christmas) and your baseball team has won the series since before your father was born, but we're run by a government without any really grasp of the technology needs for the state.
Sure, Boston has a public transportation system, but does it run out to the route 128 "technology corridor"? Only by accident (commuter rail, green line).
I sure hope that bridge being build in the middle of downtown is pretty so it can take my mind off the utter stupidity this state manifests some times. I blame the puritans.
Ugh.
CEOs are, among other things, high paid cheerleaders. They do set the tone for a company.
Netcraft says NT3 or Windows 95. Well, I suppose the company's website really isn't an NT4.0 sort of job. :)