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Apology to Readers, Corel, et al.
Yesterday, I posted a story speculating that Corel
might drop WINE in favor of (what isn't really) a competing product. This was a huge mistake on my part, and I hope Corel, Wine developers, and the Slashdot readership in general
will accept my apology. Normally on a blooper like this, I'd update the story, but I think this needs to be noticed by everyone who read the original.
Do Not Duplex Transparencies
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
I must admit to getting my panties in a bunch about it.
After all, like Linus says, "Release early, release often!"
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
And I'd like to think those who slammed you yesterday will find forgiveness in themselves also.
Congratulations on having the guts to admit your mistakes.
I forget if it's a traditional, or some eminently quotable source, but "If you've never made a mistake, you've never made anything".
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
Yeah.. thanks for being honest about it.. we all make mistakes, but it takes an incredibly large amount of charisma to admit it.. so yes, we forgive you =) -- C
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Mr. Schroedinger, for $10000, is it behind door number 1 or door number 2?
This post encoded with ROT26. If you can read it, you've violated the DMCA. Handcuffs please, sergeant.
This is probably redundant, but I must congratulate Justin on being able to fess up to a mistake. So very many people would put some english on it to make it seem as if it was not their mistake.
It takes courage to act with honor and honesty when you do a boo boo.
'Nuff sed
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After reading the article I quickly understood that this was not a competeing product with WINE. Then I read the few comments that were posted at the time and it seemed that others felt the same way. I just took it up as one of those "Exagerated Headlines" the /. usually posts.
No harm done, but thanks anyway Justin.
Steven Rostedt
Steven Rostedt
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It was really nice to read such a sincere apology.
When newspapers retract things, they usually do it
at the bottom of page 20 in 2 point italics,
in a manner which shows zero sincerity. This
gives a very *good* impression of slashdot as a
whole, I think.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Not many people would admit to making a mistake like this so publicly- really the submitter and not you put the 'dropping wine' slant on the article. shit does happen. keep up the good work.
Two weeks ago they claimed that Mozilla will ship within a month and wouldn't support XML. The sad thing was that a swedish newspaper (Computer Sweden) cited this article also. I've never seen an apology fot that piece.
Being able to own up that a story you wrote was incorrect/inflammatory is the sign of a good newsperson, and helps keep the integrity of /. strong.
-ShieldWolf
just = (My)Opinion.toCents();
Do you think I actually believe anything I read on SlashDot? Sheesh. What makes SlashDot interesting is the breadth of opinions, not the accuracy of opinions. If I want accuracy then I do the research myself!
Even good companies and news sources make mistakes, but only the great ones correct them. Well done.
Fine, apology accepted. Now when will Corel stop leeching of the wine and kde projects and start participating as active mebers of the communities? Currently they hide themselves and their code behind the license fineprints and keeps their code-additions inhouse. Vauge promises is given that the changes will be availabe upon release, but no code is actually developed together or in agreement with the abused projects. When patches eventually comes, the original code has moved on and the code maintainers have to drop their current work to do all the work on merging the old patches into the main tree again. Last weeks outrage in the kde mailinglists on Corels renaming of kde-apps without contacting the original authors is just the latest skirmish between Corel and its victims.
Good to have an apology and a retraction, but perhaps there should also be an update to the original artice, since if someone searches the archives they might find that article and assume it was true, if they didn't read around it.
Its ok Justin! We Still love you :)
I am glad to see that at least /. can admit to their readers that they may have mistakenly reported false information. Now if we could only get the rest of the media to do the same...
--- I think, therefore I exist, anything outside of that is uncertain.
For some people, "I was wrong" is the hardest thing to say. Can't say that I'm good at it, either. If posters had karma, Justin's should be bumped up.
Always keep a sapphire in your mind
Part of slashdot is being in tune with the "buzz" of the industry/community, whether or not that "buzz" always turns out to be true. Just as long as slashdotters know to take a rumorous story with a grain of salt, and that articles are being totally fabricated, it's cool.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Justin, you probably should put an update on the story as well, perhaps pointing to this one. That way people searching through the archives later won't get confused if they just find the older story.
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Does this mean 50% of all news items are going
/. once a day to see what possible usefull article links there are, if any...
to be apologies for shoddy news and crap spelling and crap english?
Dudez, it doesnt take 4hrs to verify one story, read the fkin thing, get a second opinion then post it, rob is as much fault on this too.
What joke. Amatures teaching amatures.
yes, i do read other websites, i just like to recheck
Hey, mistakes happen. I won't pretend I haven't made them, publicly. You won't see the "big media" - which probably snickers at the mention of Slashdot - run front-page apologies. We've heard only bare whispers of retractions when the media jumped the gun on Egypt Air. And they never retracted on their "profiling" of the Columbine killers, and playing into the hands of the would-be bookburners who want to begin with video games and movies...
:)
/. (it seems like some stories get rolled off while still news, and active posting).
ANYWAYS, I don't want to see Slashdot slow down, but there's a lesson for you here in facts-checking. It's not always the case, but here you had month old press releases which contradicted the gist of your post, links which the Slashdot Peanut Gallery was more than quick to provide.
If all goes well, we'll see just a little more fact checking on some of these posts. I'd rather see some of the stories last a little longer than 36 hours, and carry some real back and forth debate like the old
Justin,
It's good to see that you have made such a public apology and maybe all Slashdot readers and posters can learn something from this.
Maybe we should all start checking our sources and reading everything three time to make sure that what we are passing on is actually true. More than one business has been destroyed by terrible untrue rumours and that is not what we want to see happenin the Linux community.
So, let's start thinking about what is being posted. What is said here is being read by thousands of people each day and unfounded rumours or incorrect facts can be very damaging to all parties involved.
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I'll join the chorus of people giving Justin kudos for running this, and I'm sure that you're giving some thought to how you can try and prevent similar incidents in the future. It's not a trivial problem - I think we, the Slashdot readers, should be thinking about it too!
/. stories all the time, sometimes spelling mistakes, other times misunderstandings of the slant of a story; it ends up that you *have* to read at least the highest scored articles on a story if you want to know whether there's any truth to it. What can we do in future to try and make it easier for the /. editors to post accurate stories?
./ editors post a story, they can choose to put it in a queue waiting for a helper to give it a once-over; helpers will be notified that there are stories awaiting their attention. Helpers can either accept the story as is, or bounce it back to the writer with a comment, or perhaps a suggested modified version (the original is of course preserved). When writers resubmit, they can choose to put it back in the queue or put it straight on the pages.
/. readers who would make good helpers for this sort of job. I think you could choose some good helpers and still have no story waiting in the queue for more than ten minutes. And I'm damn sure it would improve the spelling and factual accuracy of some of the stuff here!
/. posted it...
This was quite a big mistake, so it needed a prominient correction, but little mistakes slip into
Here's an idea. Could be shot down, but might inspire workable ideas along the same lines. Nominate a group of "slashdot helpers" from among the higher scored volunteers (like moderators). When
I bet there are a hundred or more
You could even give helpers specialities - I for one have often wished I could have commented on a crypto-related story before
I'm sure this idea has problems. Consider this put in the queue - let's see what ideas people have!
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I've always seen slashdot as a news and rumour site, so I'm never surprised when something turns out to be inaccurate or misleading. I'm surprised at how many people believe everything they read on slashdot.
I think that posting a retraction as a story is unecessary and clutters things up. Writing an update on a story is the best thing to do in this situation. Adding a section for retractions would also be a good idea.
Seems to be the penalty these days for making a mistake on your 'puter....
I'm very glad to see such a visible, open retraction. Every publisher (especially news publishers) make mistakes. What seperates a site with integrity from a site like, say, anything ziff-davis is the ability to admit mistakes.
I want my news to be simply informative- retractions don't take away from that. The kind of places that don't care about retractions are usually trying to use their position as a news provider for more self-serving ends. They don't care so much if the news is true, so long as you get it from them.
Rob, Hemos, Justin et al. . . /. ????? How could one be chosen ??? And what sort of say does Andover.net have to say in all of this ?????
Who would be a good choice for a European editor for
Brave and admirable, to admit one's mistakes and to apologize. I must say, there is no level of technical proficiency that could ever impress me more than what Justin has done. Ultrakudos, man!
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It's been said before, but it's still true. The quicker news cycle (i.e., from time story is first acquired by the news outlet to the time is it released to the public) is shortening by the minute, and the primary victim of this reduction in time is complete fact checking before publishing.
It's always been up to the reading public to demand complete verification of stories from the news outlets they use, just now people are required to be on top of the media, to demand quality from it.
Corel showed 6 of their apps compiled with WineLib at COMDEX: WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, Presentations,
Paradox, CorelDRAW, and Photo-Paint.
There are some screenshots of some of the apps here:
http://newmedia.corel.com/webcast/gallery.htm
You should also update the previous article for those people link directly to slashdot. Joseph Elwell.
Slashdot has set a high standard,when it bring stories to it's readers . I am glad to see your human and admit you make mistakes. Now Zd should do the same but one better , admit they made a whole bunch of mistakes and close their doors .
Oi! Corel has contributed at least 195 patches to Wine. (possibly more, my archives don't go back that far).
Corel is a large company. Large companies have lots of people. The Linux distro guys are somewhat clueless, but the rest of the company is not that bad!
Its so good, it was done by Bill Gates: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32688, 00.html
The truth is, WINE just another Xanadu. A pipe dream, a holy grail that is little more than a carrot in front of many fine programmers.
After so many years of work, WINE still sucks. It really sucks.
Sorry, but you know its true!
"Only in their dreams can men truly be free 'twas always thus, and always thus will be."
--Tom Schulman
Now, if only Hemos would develop this kind of integrity when he screws up yet another article...
Gee, Slashdot didn't sound half as remorseful about erroneously posting JZW's death.
You're a winner!
-- Merc "And you thought you were your own worst critic."
Damn you Justin! Damn you to hell!!!!! I lost everything becuase I thought Corel was dropping Wine. My Wife, my family, my job. If you had just gotten the facts rights the first time none of it would happend. I belived you when you said Corel was dropping linux, I trusted you. Damn the day you were born!!!!!!
Do not wright in this space.
Way to go nitwit
Now please do it again, PLEASE????
I'm sure I speak for a lot of people who either stay up late of their own volition, or work 3rd shift, or are in a radically different timezone from /. There should be at least one night shift editor who posts articles from say 10pm to 6 am
html links to other sites: - that also may carry to a story
gut reaction factor: - comment, given your experience and checking within the industry about the likelyhood of a stories truth (bs detection).
Slashdot allows me to get the latest tech news, raw - facts and then analysis of those raw facts. If I want humour, I'll go to segfault (segfault.org), gonzo journalism - zdnet. If i want the latest breaking (inaccurate timely news) I'll watch the news on local television (go channel nine!)... But I come to slashdot for the FACTS, FACT BASED OPINIONS and CAREFUL ANALYSIS... not baseless rumours.... Nerd and geeks can smell bs a mile away
fine print:
(with exception of transmeta, bill gates throwing away visual basic and taking on gcc and make and building a bewoulf cluster using windows ce hardware and microLinux software ports and various references to freeBSD)
peterrenshaw ~ Another Scrappy Startup
Justin is nooooooo nitwit. Where I come from the man is a god. A modest god but a god none the less. All hail Justin!!!!!!!! Master of 217!!!!!!!!!!
..mistakes are ofent made. The Chinese have a saying, "If you make a mistake, and don't correct it, you've made your second mistake". :)
--Brian
Good work Justin! Neither the reputation of yourself or /. has been harmed because of your swift retraction and apology. Well done!
sorry? sorry? sorry isn't good enough ... I want blood!!! .... BLOOOOODDDDDDD!
... don't sweat it Justin, we all do it ...
hehe
Lets put this into perspective, an extremely rich man who makes more money then he knows to do with, uses some of his extra cash to help the extremely poor who live in third world countries not suffer as badly a death, only to grow up and suffer much longer and aganizing existance of being in poverty? We are talking cooky points here, nothing more. He wants to solve a sympton, not the problem. The effort is nice Mr Gates, but alas in vain.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Really and do you know the chances of a third world country getting out of poverty? Do you know of any success stories? Do you know why some countries will always be poverish no matter how healthy the inhabitants? Because while these people live in poverty, others may live rich. Its all about balance, we all can't be rich, some one has to suffer in poverty so that the few can live in luxury. Gates, wants cooky points and that is what he's getting. Again he is only curing a symton of a much worse problem. Sure they can die a sanitary clean death from starvation, at least they will not get us sick, right? So give Gates his cooky points already...
Not as low as you think. For example, China, Malaysia, and Singapore have all come a long way forward in the last 30 or so years.
As for curing starvation - it's about as easy as "curing" human rights abuses. A lot of the problems are political, and it's awfully hard to do very much about them. Take a look around the world and you will see that the countries with stable, sensible political systems ( NOT the countries with the most resources ) are the most succesful.
Cheers,
Not as low as you think. For example, China, Malaysia, and Singapore have all come a long way forward in the last 30 or so years.
Yes, but there are many many more that have not.
As for curing starvation - it's about as easy as "curing" human rights abuses. A lot of the problems are political, and it's awfully hard to do very much about them. Take a look around the world and you will see that the countries with stable, sensible political systems ( NOT the countries with the most resources ) are the most succesful.
Exactly, so what is the use of helping them survive disease if the country they live in doesn't even want to take care of them? The only thing I can think of, is that he wants those cookies...
Don't get me wrong though, the effort is nice, but what good could it accomplish if these people are still going to be screwed. Its like those christians who say abortions are completely wrong at any point in time, even when someone is raped or is a junky, or the child is going to grow up screwed up mentally, they don't care of the consequnces of the birth, and they don't give a damn what happens to the baby, they just don't want a doctor to abort it. Same with BG, he really cares and he doesn't want them to die under unsanitary conditions but he does not care what happens after they survive, some will be thankful, others will just suffer.
Some things just aren't solved by throughing money at things, and you certainly can't solve everything thing by throughing money at it.