a bunch of one line "This store is great! A++++++++!" comments, 5 stars for each. And my comment is suddenly lost in obscurity. If I saw that, I'd wonder just what it was they were trying to hide. This would actually give very strong credence to your "horrible review". Looks like you touched a nerve.
The flippant answer is no, of course not. Too many AC's, astroturfers, ballot stuffers,... However, people who do know have a tendency to like to demonstrate their knowledge and also to debunk any mess of wrong ideas passing itself off as information. You look for the grains of hard information and reaction and there's a lot of good honest information to be had, particularly if you can backcalculate what the responders assumptions have to be. For example, comparing the stability of Microsoft Windows to Linux to *BSD to Netware, VMS, etc. With Microsoft Windows, being up for a few months is called stable. Unix is not all that stable because someone once spilled a cup of coffee into the computer. Linux users are proud of year+ uptimes while doing wierd things to their computer. BSD users tend to reboot to insure that the system will come up as intended after a power failure.
You have my sympathy. That was more a dig at Microsoft than anything else. Your only hope would be to smell something fishy (and I don't mean penguin food) with an excited boss talking about cratering the box and the "not much of a test". I found your tale quite interesting as an indirect but quite solid indication that Microsoft software is not enterprise-ready and is highly unlikely to get that way. If you played the same scene out on Linux (moreso on *BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc., methinks), I think you would get a very different response. (Fair chance you'd get a complaint of not running any tests;)
Translation for Microsoft Windows NT: Fire some shots. When it's dead, cease firing. In keeping with the sales propaganda, the customer wants to feel like it has passed some sort of endurance test. The words may be the same, but they don't mean the same thing.
Have you taken the effort to find out *why* it's taking 5 times longer to run on OpenBSD? There are a number of speed/safety tradeoffs where OpenBSD should be overly paranoid and everybody else overly trusting.
Pick ONE. Different approaches, different world views. It's hard to tell which is better (and why) *after* it's been done, much less *before* it's been done. I don't think the duplication of effort is all that wasteful. Image the state of Linux and FreeBSD security if OpenBSD did not exist.
Direct vs indirect savings. Spending a couple dollars on a dumb terminal equals huge hardware savings. With Linux. you tend to look for such things. With Microsoft Windows, you do not.
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Purchasing used PCs is a recipe for disaster for most IT shops True if they must all run all the same apps, all the same way. As thin clients and/or running something resembling a browser, seems like you could survive very well with some very strange assortments. They do have one advantage. They are expendable, very expendable. What happens if you hot-swap a normal hard drive or a pci card?
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whether or not you could properly budget for the solution. Pretty simple. You budget dollars for what reasonably priced new equipment would cost. In actual practice, you can save 80 to 95% of the budgeted amount but cannot reliably count on those savings, so you don't budget the savings. The budget is what you are prepared to spend, only slightly related to what you will spend.
"(and that we and our corporate affiliates may use technical means to overcome any methods used on your site to block or interfere with such crawling or monitoring)." Depending on exactly what "technical means" means, this sounds like: All your sites are belong to us.
(it's a power thing) Right. I think the thing that scared officialdom most about 9-11 was the plane that went down in Pennsylvania. The terrorists were taken out, not by federal marshals or airline employees, but by the unarmed *passengers*.
I believe that this and other strategic moves will see IBM back in a monopoly position Yes, but with a difference this time methinks. By lowering the bars to competition, and insuring that some kind of competition is at least surviving, IBM is becoming poised to reap the advantages of a monopoly position without having to endure the flak. For big-bucks enterprise computing, IBM looks like a very safe long-term bet.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that the terrorists have already won, Mr. President. They have made our government systematically chip away at the rights which make this country so great Exactly. Even better than doing is to get your opponent to do the doing. If the terrorists can cause the US Government to suppress the rights of its people, I'd say the terrorists *have* won.
This really shouldn't have been moderated as funny. Parent has a good point about how ridiculous this is. I think you just made the moderators point. Humor is a serious business. One of the best ways of changing things for the better is to point out just how ridiculous the current situation is.
This is why full disclosure and Open Source is better. It's a lot easier to defend if you know exactly what you're defending against and exactly what you have to defend with. Note that with Open Source, unlike Closed Source, the attacker does *not* know exactly what you have.
vigilante justice is no justice at all. Gotta disagree. Vigilante justice is the ultimate justice. Used when the existing legal forms have proven so ineffective that the populace takes the law into their own hands. Otherwise you are giving the moral high ground to every existing tyrant. Are you saying that the passengers of the 9-11 flight that went down in Pennsylvania should *not* have taken matters into their own hands?
Hmmm, I wonder to what extent Disney is responsible for the "current moral decay". Excapism is fine, but it needs to psychologically differentiated from reality. There seems to be a better moral sense in say Dirty Harry than in most of Disney's stuff.
but the holocaust issue is in another league entirely Get a perspective, please But the poem does put it into perspective. If we wait until we are personally concerned, it may be much too late. ( I personally do not care about off-color Disney movies;-)
believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie Maybe somebody needs to remove the rose-colored glasses. Off-color movies are made by amateurs and some of the old color stuff made with inferior film and lighting.
the "business at the speed of thought" mentality that is responsible for pushing out a product that can't even be a good phone first, and secondly has all these garbage features tacked on? Microsoft intends to take over the joint and believe they have the muscle to do so. delay between the shutter sound and the actual image capture That's almost as bad as getting a reply from a ping with the network cable disconnected! The culture that allows such to exist, much less get out the door, does a lot of them. Some of them will be subtle and deadly.
Why the HELL would you want a server to boot diskless? Hmmm, that one has lots of interesting possibilities. Basically, whenever one degree of separation is not enough. With the control and configuration of the server separated from the server itself it has to be a lot more feasible to set up a server that does exactly what it is supposed to and NOTHING ELSE. Should have some pretty big security advantages.
Blame factor. So you buy a few RedHat boxed sets. That way if you do run into problems you have the "high moral ground". Of course you tend to run into fewer problems because the freeloaders have already run into them and the problems have been solved.;-)
Our data needs to survive each and every technology transition. Exactly. That means the worst of the lot had better be pretty damn good. Manufacturer's Microsoft Windows recovery disks. Format and reinstall, losing *all* your data. Sheesh!
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What the hell kind of world are we building anyways when *public libraries* are regarded as "theives"?
Ouch, that hit something.
It's a world where you have one book. Maybe.
You can only read one book at a time, right?
It would give new meaning to the term "Dark Ages". The terrorists, or more likely something worse, would win.
a bunch of one line "This store is great! A++++++++!" comments, 5 stars for each. And my comment is suddenly lost in obscurity.
If I saw that, I'd wonder just what it was they were trying to hide. This would actually give very strong credence to your "horrible review". Looks like you touched a nerve.
The flippant answer is no, of course not. Too many AC's, astroturfers, ballot stuffers, ...
However, people who do know have a tendency to like to demonstrate their knowledge and also to debunk any mess of wrong ideas passing itself off as information. You look for the grains of hard information and reaction and there's a lot of good honest information to be had, particularly if you can backcalculate what the responders assumptions have to be.
For example, comparing the stability of Microsoft Windows to Linux to *BSD to Netware, VMS, etc. With Microsoft Windows, being up for a few months is called stable. Unix is not all that stable because someone once spilled a cup of coffee into the computer. Linux users are proud of year+ uptimes while doing wierd things to their computer. BSD users tend to reboot to insure that the system will come up as intended after a power failure.
You have my sympathy. That was more a dig at Microsoft than anything else.
Your only hope would be to smell something fishy (and I don't mean penguin food) with an excited boss talking about cratering the box and the "not much of a test".
I found your tale quite interesting as an indirect but quite solid indication that Microsoft software is not enterprise-ready and is highly unlikely to get that way. If you played the same scene out on Linux (moreso on *BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc., methinks), I think you would get a very different response. (Fair chance you'd get a complaint of not running any tests;)
Translation for Microsoft Windows NT:
Fire some shots. When it's dead, cease firing. In keeping with the sales propaganda, the customer wants to feel like it has passed some sort of endurance test.
The words may be the same, but they don't mean the same thing.
Have you taken the effort to find out *why* it's taking 5 times longer to run on OpenBSD? There are a number of speed/safety tradeoffs where OpenBSD should be overly paranoid and everybody else overly trusting.
Pick ONE.
Different approaches, different world views. It's hard to tell which is better (and why) *after* it's been done, much less *before* it's been done.
I don't think the duplication of effort is all that wasteful. Image the state of Linux and FreeBSD security if OpenBSD did not exist.
Direct vs indirect savings.
Spending a couple dollars on a dumb terminal equals huge hardware savings.
With Linux. you tend to look for such things. With Microsoft Windows, you do not.
Purchasing used PCs is a recipe for disaster for most IT shops
True if they must all run all the same apps, all the same way. As thin clients and/or running something resembling a browser, seems like you could survive very well with some very strange assortments.
They do have one advantage. They are expendable, very expendable. What happens if you hot-swap a normal hard drive or a pci card?
whether or not you could properly budget for the solution.
Pretty simple. You budget dollars for what reasonably priced new equipment would cost. In actual practice, you can save 80 to 95% of the budgeted amount but cannot reliably count on those savings, so you don't budget the savings. The budget is what you are prepared to spend, only slightly related to what you will spend.
"(and that we and our corporate affiliates may use technical means to overcome any methods used on your site to block or interfere with such crawling or monitoring)."
Depending on exactly what "technical means" means, this sounds like:
All your sites are belong to us.
(it's a power thing)
Right. I think the thing that scared officialdom most about 9-11 was the plane that went down in Pennsylvania. The terrorists were taken out, not by federal marshals or airline employees, but by the unarmed *passengers*.
I believe that this and other strategic moves will see IBM back in a monopoly position
Yes, but with a difference this time methinks.
By lowering the bars to competition, and insuring that some kind of competition is at least surviving, IBM is becoming poised to reap the advantages of a monopoly position without having to endure the flak. For big-bucks enterprise computing, IBM looks like a very safe long-term bet.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that the terrorists have already won, Mr. President. They have made our government systematically chip away at the rights which make this country so great
Exactly.
Even better than doing is to get your opponent to do the doing. If the terrorists can cause the US Government to suppress the rights of its people, I'd say the terrorists *have* won.
This really shouldn't have been moderated as funny. Parent has a good point about how ridiculous this is.
I think you just made the moderators point.
Humor is a serious business. One of the best ways of changing things for the better is to point out just how ridiculous the current situation is.
This is why full disclosure and Open Source is better. It's a lot easier to defend if you know exactly what you're defending against and exactly what you have to defend with. Note that with Open Source, unlike Closed Source, the attacker does *not* know exactly what you have.
vigilante justice is no justice at all.
Gotta disagree.
Vigilante justice is the ultimate justice. Used when the existing legal forms have proven so ineffective that the populace takes the law into their own hands. Otherwise you are giving the moral high ground to every existing tyrant.
Are you saying that the passengers of the 9-11 flight that went down in Pennsylvania should *not* have taken matters into their own hands?
Hmmm, I wonder to what extent Disney is responsible for the "current moral decay".
Excapism is fine, but it needs to psychologically differentiated from reality. There seems to be a better moral sense in say Dirty Harry than in most of Disney's stuff.
but the holocaust issue is in another league entirely ;-)
Get a perspective, please
But the poem does put it into perspective. If we wait until we are personally concerned, it may be much too late. ( I personally do not care about off-color Disney movies
believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie
Maybe somebody needs to remove the rose-colored glasses.
Off-color movies are made by amateurs and some of the old color stuff made with inferior film and lighting.
the "business at the speed of thought" mentality that is responsible for pushing out a product that can't even be a good phone first, and secondly has all these garbage features tacked on?
Microsoft intends to take over the joint and believe they have the muscle to do so.
delay between the shutter sound and the actual image capture
That's almost as bad as getting a reply from a ping with the network cable disconnected! The culture that allows such to exist, much less get out the door, does a lot of them. Some of them will be subtle and deadly.
ONE reasonably sized mainframe can easily be considered a "big" account.
Why the HELL would you want a server to boot diskless?
Hmmm, that one has lots of interesting possibilities. Basically, whenever one degree of separation is not enough. With the control and configuration of the server separated from the server itself it has to be a lot more feasible to set up a server that does exactly what it is supposed to and NOTHING ELSE. Should have some pretty big security advantages.
Blame factor. ;-)
So you buy a few RedHat boxed sets.
That way if you do run into problems you have the "high moral ground".
Of course you tend to run into fewer problems because the freeloaders have already run into them and the problems have been solved.
Our data needs to survive each and every technology transition.
Exactly. That means the worst of the lot had better be pretty damn good.
Manufacturer's Microsoft Windows recovery disks. Format and reinstall, losing *all* your data. Sheesh!