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Angry Spirited Away Fans Strike Back
peter_gzowski writes "Anime News Network is reporting that, 'The Japanese consumers in the Kyoto and Hyogo prefectures of Japan have filed a lawsuit against Walt Disney Japan over the red tint on the Japanese DVD release of Spirited Away.' Japanese consumers who purchased the Spirited Away DVD were very disappointed when they discovered a red tint to the film. A hundred thousand consumers complained, but Buena Vista Home Entertainment Japan (a subsidiary of Walt Disney) pretended nothing was wrong with the disc. The original source of news of the suit can be found (in Japanese) at Mainichi. No response from Disney yet."
I bet this will leave Disney red faced ;-)
the Communist version?
(really dating myself here)
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
Does this say something about Buena Vista, Disney, the Japanese, or what?
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redefines "Seeing red"!They literally are !
I guess realtime digital enhancing DVD video demands lotsa processing
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You would think there would be no diffrence in it than over here except for maybe the language it's in. Is this some sort of conspiracy?? I agree with the suit against Disney then for this type of annoying feature. "In other news today: New DVD enhancement, red picture! yay!" Seriously, what's the point of this feature??
I think Hayao Miyazaki didn't notice the problem with the red tint in his movie for obvious reasons. ;-)
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Japan vs. Disney: Spirited Away DVD lawsuit (articles,anime) (rejected)
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You were forgetting that titles with "Strike Back" in them have always had a special meaning to nerds.
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Does anyone happen to have screen shots of the Japanese version that we could look at? I would like to see first hand how bad this tint is to get that many complaints because in the year 2000 Japan only had ~126,926 people.
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The article states: They claim that, after analyzing the DVD, they found that its color balance was biased towards red.
Anyone have any ideas how this happened? It doesn't seem like it's one of those things that "just happens". It sounds to me like someone in the DVD production group seriously goofed and it was missed by the QA team. If that's the case, it's a pretty amazing oversight... I'd love to hear the opinions of those who know more about video production than I.
Disney had a similar problem with "Pocahontas" a few years ago, with thousands of Americans complaining about a "red tint" in the film.
These complaints stopped, however, when Disney admitted they were trying to portray "Native Americans". Consumers were simply mistaken -- the rest of the movie suggested they were Americans of European descent.
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Apart from the other arguments, this suddenly reminded me of something I read when I was a kid. Apparently, according to the article, a lot of japanese have more sensitive eyes than most europeans (caucasian, white etc, this is not meant as a racist comment) and can detect subtle differences in hues of a colour that others don't. The article talked about japanese pearl divers being able to see subtle off-whites in the pearls and seperate them according to quality.
The point is: Are Disney's people in Japan mostly beefy white Americans? Is it possible that they literaly can't see the red tint in the DVD?
I've had a similar experience once when designing a website, and a guy from marketing kept wanting fucking wierd oranges and other strange hues until we discovered that he was colourblind.
i have the region 2 (japanese) of spirited away--but it's still shrink-wrapped, so i can't give a first-person account :P nevertheless, here are plenty of firsthand accounts of the red tint.
on the same forum there is another thread reporting that the publisher of the korean release (dec 7) has announced that it will not have the red tint--although i'm not sure how that's been arranged. this seems to be a pretty severe acknowledgement of the red tint problem if the report is true.
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I have no knowledge about the problem, just passing on the link I found. The effect is somewhat subtle from a single image, but I bet it's much worse when you watch the whole movie. Seems quite possible that the shirt on the right should be white.
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From the mail :
"(...) Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (Spirited Away)" is a digitally-animated movie produced by Studio Ghilbli, and its full-digital frames were designed and produced on computers. The coloration of the master for the DVD and VHS was strictly supervised/approved by Studio Ghibli's color designers and DP/Cinematographer.
The "Spirited Away" DVD/VHS was produced through an entirely novel procedure in mastering, and both Studio Ghibli and Buena Vista Home Entertainment Japan believe the quality of the DVD/VHS to be the best and the most faithful in terms of reproducing the original movie under the given circumstances.
As for the trailers on Disc 2, they have been included solely for the purpose of providing necessary information on the film, and because of this nature, it was not specifically color-corrected. Consequently, some differences in coloration may be detected between the same scene on the trailers on Disc 2 and the main feature on Disc 1. We assure the highest standard of quality control has been maintained on the manufacturing of both DVD and VHS, but differences in coloration may be detected depending on the type of equipment and/or the settings of the system being used.
That's their explanation at least.
The text of the quoted letter does not seem to bear out your statement. That's misleading. There was no claim in the letter that nothing was wrong.
Um, honestly I'm not quite sure what this is all about, but just from the story blurb, I'm pretty sure that Americans have nothing to do with this.
"The Japanese consumers in the Kyoto and Hyogo prefectures of Japan have filed a lawsuit against Walt Disney Japan over the red tint on the Japanese DVD release of Spirited Away."
Touch everywhere, even when inappropriate.
I know many people accuse the U.S. of running the world, but the lawsuit occured in Japan.
I took that screen shot that is floating around and just ran it through Photoshop 7's 'Auto Color' options and this is the result!
http://www.digitald.uk.com/storage/s-away-red.jpg
You're all mistaken, that's just the latest copy protection Disney came up with. Now they have a list of 100,000 consumers that they can sue for DMCA infringement ;)
Why are they asking for a replacement plus eighty dollars?
Has it caused them emotional and psychological distress to that degree?
Surely a replacement and legal expenses would be more reasonable...
Well, since it's a lawsuit in Japan I don't think we have much say...
doesnt japan have a red sun?
hell hath no fury like a thousand angry anime fans.
When a company makes an inferior product consumers can simply stop buying it. Even with a color tint, a film is perfectly watchable, so there are no grounds for a lawsuit. What's next? Let's sue Hollywood for films with bad acting, poor direction or lousy scripts. Or perhaps we can sue a restaurant where the food tastes lousy.
I defend Disney here - every business has the right to produce inferior products and watch its consumers walk away.
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If they did they'd think strange tints were normal ;0) Never The Same Colour.
Gotcha.
Watch for my next story submission, "Playstation Bluetooth Tenchi DMCA Beowulf Strikes Back. Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan!"
from the now-you've-got-our-attention dept.
You need to look more closely at that data - you are missing a few zeros.
The film was released on DivX some time ago, of course being the DVD-Rip, it showed the red tint.
Some criticism went towards the group releasing it, because public thought it was their fault that the divx had the red tint, but they replied saying the problem was in the original DVD.
Now, if you do your work, you can find another divx release from someone else with the color corrected, I don't know if they played with the original and used some kind of correction or it comes from another source, but for divx users, the problem is solved!
In Soviet Russia all our films had a red tent!
People with Brown eyes(on average) are less sensitive to flicker than people with blue or green eyes by about 5-10hz. (not sure about grey eyes).
The internet's a bit lacking on information, so here's some info on colour sensitivity...
Sensitivity to Color:
Different areas of human eyes have different sensitivity to color. For example, the eye is not sensitive to color at the periphery. It is only possible to discriminate between colors only +_60 of the straight head position. The color awareness range is about 90 to the straight head position. The eye is least sensitive to red, green, and yellow at the periphery. Thus when designing interface for large screen, blue would make a good background color.
The front of the eyes is more sensitive to red, green, and yellow. If we put small blue objects on the screen, which will usually be in the front of the eye, these objects will tend to disappear form the screen.
Discernment of color differences:
Eye is also least sensitive to changes in the shades of blue. It is very sensitive to changes in the shades of red. Eye is sensitive to the differences between colors in various degrees and the discernment of color differences is not uniform across the spectrum.
The eyes need to refocus for the colors, which are not near on the spectrum. Thus it would be difficult (tiring) for human eye to focus if red and blue are placed together.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Sounds like they're hiding behind the rules of "correct" technology application, without regard for what looks right. If 100,000 fans say it looks wrong then it looks wrong, regardless of what the software says.
This reminds me of several years ago when DTP first became affordable and suddenly everybody was a font designer.
Take the DVD back to the store?
Interestingly enough, I have an original "Spirited Away" copy at home (Japanese version from Japan) and I don't have ANY problems at all. I wonder if something happened after the initial batch of DVDs.
I think it's hilarious that the free market includes buying things and getting shafted, but not going to court to settle grievances. I hate to break it to the capitalist and pseudolibertarian free-trade lovers but anytime you sell something within the jurisdiction of a court, you may find yourself subject to a legitimate lawsuit.
To suggest that, merely by being producers in the market, businesses are exempt from answering for their torts disingenuously implies that they are somehow not a part of the social system within which they chose to do business. If a law was broken I see no reason a business shouldn't have to answer for it.
The market is one avenue for redress, indeed, but that's no reason to utterly deprecate legal remedies.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
One twenty-fifth the size of China, the entire nation of Japan is just slightly smaller than the state of California. Encompassing a total land area of 145,843 square miles, this small nation of over 123 million people has one of the highest population densities in the world, 846 people per square mile.
It's still a very impressive number of complaints for a company to get about a DVD. You have to keep in mind that Miyazaki's last several works have each eclipsed each other as the most popular Japanese films of all time...
Can't say as I noticed any reddening of the image, I bought it on import from Hong Kong months ago, (region 3) and it's going from my DVD, (a Mustek mech) to my TV via scart to the RGB socket. I'll have a look tonight if I remember. Can't say as it ruined the film for me in any event, it's a bloody amazing film!
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I'm blue colour blind..... So I need purple blue test cards.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
100,000 americans compain to disney for there version of spirit away for being to white, we wanted the red version they said, disney denied that there was anything wrong.
The early CIE eye tristimulus models (the figures for spectral sensitivities of the eye's red, green, and blue detectors used in the CIE standard colour spaces) are still based on a very small sample of people. I beleve the first standards were based on only 17 people, all white, male Europeans. Even now, I think most standards are based on a sample of a little over four hundred people.
Why? Well, you cannot easily measure the tristimulus directly, so you have to get each of your subjects to match a lot of colours to characterise their eye's sensitivity over the whole spectrum. Then each person has a different yellow spot on their eye - the size and the density can vary quite a bit - so there is a fair amount of natural scatter. The case for natural tetrachromats claims the women's eye red response is bimodal, but when you see the tristimulus functions plotted out, it is really hard to see the evidence for it.
We do not have to rely on western figures. The Japanese had independently worked on colour science. The Ishihara who did the eye test patterns (he hand-painted the first ones using watercolours) did some measurements. But, again the populations measured were fairly small.
On the other hand, we know that the ability to remember and perceive colours is greatly affected by experience, and even the words used to describe colours. Tests on Bornean tribesmen that had separate words for yellowish-green (Wor) and bluish-green (Nol) were relatively better at remembering and distinguishing contrasts between these two colours then some other pairs of colours that the rest of us would find more easy. Now Japanese uses 'akai' for bright red paint, but also for skin colour (usually in connection with emotions), and brown shoe colour. Brown is usually 'chairo', which is 'tea-colour' but they also use 'kitsune-iro' (fox color) and 'tsuchi-iro' (earth-colour). If we are familiar with tomato red, brown, ochre, and brick red, we are bound to respond to colours and colour contrasts differently, but this does not mean we see them differently.
So, are Eastern and Western eyes different? The figures we have would suggest that you would not be able to identify the race of a person by their eye response - we are much more alike then we are different. If we measured a few tens of thousands of people, we might be able to drag some systematic difference out of the noise. But I don't think we could tell whether it was a genetic difference of a cultural difference, even then.
The pink cast on the DVD is much bigger than these differences. It's clearly an error. The suppliers ought to have offered a replacement DVD. Next time, they might. Give 'em hell, fellas, gambatte kudasai!
I don't know what happened and don't have the DVD but I've seent he original a few times.
Maybe it's a copy protection experiment.
Maybe it's a wierd attempt to (over)compensate for a phenomenon that is real in the still photo world - popualr images and the characteristics of print film make for much stronger red in U.S. film (e.g. Kodak especially when used in people shots) and much stronger blue in Japan.
Maybe it's a massive screwup (no kidding)
Maybe it's an attempt by Disney to hurt Ghibli (wouldn't put it past them)
Maybe it was made with a cutting edge "superior" technology that unfortunately looks like utter crap on most sets and nobody every tried it at home before going to print
At any rate those screenshots look like utter crap in comparison to the original film and what is considered reasonable in Japan.
The fact that our eyes can barely detect color in our peripherary vision is not common sense to most people.. we assume that we can see color in our peripherary because it "seems" that we retain that color information.
But try this: tell your friend to bring an object from the left or right of you, deep in your periphary vision, and tell him to move it up and down, and come less and less deep in your peripherary vision.. tell him to stop when you can see the movement out of the corner of your eye. I'm willing to bet that you can't tell what color it is (at this point I've had my brain fool me by thinking it's definitely one color, when it turns out to be somehting totatlly different).
If it's a lawsuit here, we don't have much of a say either... exactly when did /.ers have a say in the destiny of anything?
Laws are for people with no friends.
In anticipation of it getting Slashdotted, I have made available a reduced-size copy of a DVD screen capture that shows the reddish tint.
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From the pics I've seen I must say that, yes their version is infact red.
But my question is can the consumer really sue over this? We all know you can be sold crippled cds without warning(a whole nother argument). So my question is, what are the grounds of the lawsuit? Since they purchased the DVD for their region, one could say they knew it wouldn't neccisarily be identical to the US one. And the artists haven't spoken out to my knowlege(correct me if im wrong). So that leaves me to believe that the Disney machine will monkey stop them in court. Of course why not sue a large company like disney if you have a slight chance?
Anyway for the record: I agree it sucks that their version is a little red. I Would like to know if they can/should really sue over this.
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I am very synpatheticto the persons unfortuante accident.
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Admittedly, I am not intimately acquainted with the facts of this case, however I do have a few observations (yeah I know another
1) The coffee was not used in a way normal everyday manner. Not being an expert on coffee, I do have some first experience with the beverage and it has been my experience that coffee should be taken INTERNALLY and not applied topically to the skin.
2) Further to point 1, assuming some external forced, not induced by McDonalds, acted upon the person, causing resulting in the coffee being applied topically, how has McDonalds been negligent? Let's take a hypothetical case:
1) I run down the closet Home Depot and purchase a 32 foot extension ladder.
2) On the way home, a sudden ice storm hits my area.
3) As I am carrying the ladder from my vehicle to the garage, I slip and fall.
4) The ladder strikes in the head and I receive a large gash requiring several stitches.
Should I sue the ladder manufacturer/Home Depot?
Your comment about "molten metal" being served instead of coffee, this is non-sensical. The person ORDERED coffee, they did not ORDER molten metal. Ask any reasonable person if freshly served coffee is hot and I am very sure they will respond YES. Therefore the person got what they asked for and what would be expected by a reasoanble person.
Typically coffee is made with VERY hot water. Coffee in McDonalds is make using the DRIP method. If I remember basic chemistry/physics, you cannot heat water above its boiling unless it is held under pressure. This would imply that the coffee could not have exceeded a temperature of 100C (212F). So unless the lawyers for the plaintiff were able to prove that the temperature of the coffee exceeded the normal boiling point of water, what did McDonalds do that warrented "punative" damages?
So yes, a poor unfortunate person suffered however, this suffering was not caused by McDonalds. The person was not STUPID for the spilling the coffee. The person was STUPID for litigating, the plaintiffs lawyers were STUPID for taking this to court, the defandants lawyers were STUPID for not successfully defending the case and the judge was stupid for making such an award.
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I recently bought my first DVD player and my first DVD - oddly enough "The Red Violin". I wired the system up with the DVD Player going into the VCR then into the television.
I had no problems playing that DVD. However, sometime later I went and rented a DVD and it had a serious red tint. I couldn't figure out WTF was happening.
Finally I tried cabling the DVD Player straight to the television and it worked fine. I guess that the bastards screw with the output signal so that if it is recorded to video cassette that it has a red tint.
My guess is that this is a side effect of this copy protection..
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"hell hath no fury like a thousand angry anime fans."
A thousand hentai fans would not only leave a wake of death and destruction, but inumerable bleeding orafices as well.
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please kill yourself immediately
I thought that finally Millwall FC had made Slashdot. Anime?! Is that when the guy you punch has a fit?
The whole scene is skewed: R:141 G:119 B:63.
Worse is Haku's (boy on the right) shirt, supposed to be white: R:244 G:183 B:136
This looks like the white balance was pushed all the way to 6000K
USA uses NTSC, a 525-line, 60 Hz television data signal standard set by the National Television Standards Committee.
Japan uses NTSC, but its broadcast signals are on slightly different frequencies than USA NTSC. This is why TVs sometimes have a bit of trouble tuning in signals from old Famicom systems. Baseband video (i.e. video and audio over separate RCA plugs) is not affected.
Europe uses PAL, a 625-line, 50 Hz standard. It achieves better resolution by allocating more bandwidth to color. It corrects for the phase noise endemic in NTSC by changing the baseline phase every scanline (i.e. Phase Alternation by Line).
Brazil uses a 525-line, 60 Hz variation of PAL called PAL/M. Most European TVs can receive PAL/M signals, and many European game consoles have a 50/60 switch that selects between PAL and PAL/M output.
Some small regions of the world use "SECAM", which I have not studied in depth.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Does that mean we can go ahead and sue WB for the faulty green tint on The Matrix DVD?
A typicaly Miyazaki DVD goes for over 4000 yen (~$30 given current exchange rates) at most retail stores, slightly under that if you shop around for a "discount" place online or go somewhere like Don Quixote.
That's still a 5000-6000 yen difference between what they paid and what they're asking for. I suspect that the amount might actually be some "padding" to take into account the typically very small awards most lawsuit winners end up receiving. I remember seeing a news story about a town where entire families have been mutilated and diseased due to the presence of a chemical plant dumping straight into the ocean (they had a pipe running straight from the factory to the shore) where each victim ended up with ~$10k for a lifetime of heinous suffering and deformity.
I happened to be in Japan when this DVD was released and picked it up, took it home and watched it, and never noticed anything but my TV auto-adjusts the color balance. I also saw it in the theater when it came out in Japan, but it was so long before the DVD release that I can't really remember if there was a tint or not.
I own the Japanese version of the DVD and if I hadn't seen the screenshot comparisions, I would have NEVER noticed the red tint. In Japan, Spirited Away is the highest grossing film ever, so everyone's seen the movie in the the theatre and that's from where they've probably noticed the difference. Are they right in getting upset?? I would think if the same sort of thing happened here, we'd have a similiar reaction from our own "movie purists".
Wow, talk about seeing the world through rose glasses!
the cash is for the lawyers, the replacement DVD is for the consumer.
Do they have class actions in Japan?
You either believe in rational thought or you don't
This has been well established, do your research -- the high damages were awarded because it was shown that McD had effectively done an analysis on what would be cheapest, either (1) use proper beans and normal procedure, or (2) use low quality beans, burn them to hell to hide their low quality by effectively making the coffee undrinkable, and pay damages to anyone complaining about burns. They found (2) to be cheaper and went for it. The court got enraged by this utter customer disrespect and hit them hard.
Whether you like Disney or not, you have to admit that for many decades they were a quality brand. This showed up in many ways. They have been far more punctilious than other studios about preserving their films (sure, it's paid off in endless re-releases, but it's still a "quality" move).
Richard Schickel, in "The Disney Version," says that even in the forties Disney kept a tight rein on Disney-character-merchandise licensees. Many parents have observed that--whether or not you think the stuff is any good, anything with Mickey Mouse on it has always been durable and well-made. (In the seventies when the kids were little the "word" was that "that Winnie-the-Pooh stuff (from Sears) wears like iron.")
The theme parks are, or used to be, so well maintained that after a day in one you started to ache for the sight of mashed chewing-gum or a candy wrapper. Perfect paint jobs on all the rides, painted scenery in the rides with dozens of subtle pastels like the background paintings in a classic Disney cartoon...
And the home videos were always of good quality, too. Not that you noticed it much--it's the sort of thing that you don't notice unless there's a problem.
This is very, very strange. It doesn't sound like Disney at all. They used to be very careful stewards of their brand.
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now i've read this the chihiro lovers ;)
here in germany should be happy for probably just gettin screened fansubs but therefore in Hayos colors...
but seriously: what can harm this master piece?!
If the people in charge of the mastering process say that the end result DVD is exactly what they were making, could it possibly be that they're not lying? Maybe (for some odd reason) they chose to make things more red for a "warmer" glow to the picture? They are, after all, the only ones who have the authority to say what's true and what is not; any one else who argues with them therefore must be wrong. It's either that, or they just expect you to turn down the red hue on your TV, which is silly.
You got crowded out? Poke someone in line or is that too difficult? Hell 1500 people at a theatre would be hard for me to handle, lamer
Honestly, I'm actually surprised that it's "only" 3-4 million a day.
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I don't think Disney will try to pull this stunt on us for the eventual Region 1 DVD release of Spirited Away that will probably come some time in 2003.
Mostly because here in the USA we have a huge number of folks with 32" or larger CRT televisions and an increasing number of folks with projection TV sets--any hint of a reddish tint on the Region 1 DVD release of Spirited Away will cause Disney to be read the riot act in a New York minute and then some.
No insult meant, just try to test your eye for color sensitivity. Just by having a quick look at the picture it appeared red shifted to me. And I hadn't a screenshot comaprison, neither did I see it in cinema. In the screenshot it is jsut plain in sight.
Comparing the two, the U.S. theater version did not look too good. The colors were so washed out I felt like I was watching something along the lines of an old version of "Frosty the Snowman." Granted, the less than state-of-the-art theater in Austin, TX had a disadvantage to the new theatre in Shinjuku, Tokyo, but still...
Actually, i'm not really that suprised that they fucked it up, i'm just amazed that they actually got around to releasing it in the first place.
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It's nice to be on topic now.
Again, I definitely defend Disney's right to create a hundred thousand unhappy customers, just as I'd defend the right of United to deliver bad service at high prices and go bankrupt.
My comment was ironic, fgs. Anyhow, what happened to the color adjustment buttons that used to make TV such fun?
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From the article:
and quote two:
Now if you have worked with computer monitors, TVs, and broadcast standards at all, you should have heard about RGB, NTSC, and PAL.
RGB is the way that computer signals are sent. It is a pure encoding of the percentage of Red, Green, and Blue to display at some location (based on the current beam position and timing).
NTSC (used in the US) encodes the information in YIQ color space. When color TVs were invented, they decided to keep backwards compatibilty with B/W tv's. Thanks to a bit of math that is beyond the scope of a /. post, the red waveform was distorted and other colors are clipped, so that red becomes more intense, and pure yellow, cyan, red, and blue are all impossible to get. Red becomes more intense than the RGB display, and blue is muted.
PAL (used everywhere else) encodes the information in YUV color space, or YPbPr. In this case, where again, scaling and TV hardware result in different color than the RGB that computer monitors display.
So when the distributors say "the DVD should be played on Liquid Crystal TV or Plasma TV, so should be no problem for its quality" what they mean is We didn't convert RGB to the YUV or YIQ color space either because they forgot (what customers say) or because they meant it to be viewed on an RGB display (what the studio is saying).
Is that a real problem? Most people who have to deal with broadcasts say 'no' because your TV is supposed to have a tint and hue knob that you can frobnicate until you get the desired colors.
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Anyway, I had heard that there was a slight red tint before I got the disc, but HOLY COW was it noticeable. I don't buy for a second that it was intentional, for two reasons:
1) The "balanced for Plasma and LCD screens" excuse is bullshit. If Plasma and LCD screens displayed a different white balance or color gamut than CRTs, then no one would want them. I'm tempted to make an unaltered DVD-R of the film and take it over to the Fry's and try it out on their big Plasma TVs, but I know what the outcome would be.
2) The "we wanted a warmer look for the film" excuse doesn't fly, either. This is because even the Studio Ghibli logo at the beginning of the feature is way off. The other six Ghibli DVDs I have all have the same, pure blue Ghibli logo at the beginning. This one was more of a coral color; it's clearly a different color. After adjusting the color balance in the rest of the film back to Earth standards, surprise -- the logo looked normal.
So, in case anybody else is as much of a freak, here's how I corrected the color on my copy, using TMPGEnc:
Using TMPGEnc's "Custom Color Correction":
RGB Brightness (0, 28, 46)
RGB Contrast (0, 71, 134)
RGB Contrast 0 base (-10, 0, 0)
Basic Setting (0, 0, -10, 0, 0)
YUV Saturation (18)
That gets the picture very close to the original, as compared to the non-red-shifted trailer included on the Spirited Away DVD and Kiki's Delivery Service DVD.
Hey, there's another thought: maybe there's nothing wrong with the color -- maybe we're all just moving away from the TV really fast.
I wonder whether the lawsuit will do anything for non-Japanese residents...
That looks like crap.
Haku's (boy on the right) shirt should be very white. The flowers and leaves in the garden are brilliant colours compared to the flat tones of this screen capture.
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The overall tint of the universe that was recently discovered...
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Ironic? In which sense?
Clearly not the first because you reiterate your postition. Not the second because it doesn't apply here.
Hey, if I knew the fancy latin word for 'seller', I could come up with a catchy foriegn phrase that asserts my position too: don't take actions you can't defend in court.
I don't need large brains to have a good time.
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I thought you were perhaps referring to the fact that Miyazaki was for a good deal of his life a Marxist. I'm surprised I have heard little mention of this... Any good biography will note how much of an influence communism had on Miyazaki's life.
On the other hand, we know that the ability to remember and perceive colours is greatly affected by experience, and even the words used to describe colours. Tests on Bornean tribesmen that had separate words for yellowish-green (Wor) and bluish-green (Nol) were relatively better at remembering and distinguishing contrasts between these two colours then some other pairs of colours that the rest of us would find more easy.
Currently my brain is screaming "correlation does not equal causation!"
Fact: The Japanese use the "ao" word for both blue and green. "Oh, the street light turned ao!", "The sky is so ao today!", "this tomato is still ao."
Why are they asking for a replacement plus eighty dollars?
Has it caused them emotional and psychological distress to that degree?
Surely a replacement and legal expenses would be more reasonable...
If this is anything like a US class action lawsuit, the lawyers pay themselves using a portion of the monetary damages.
Since they are in this for the money, they will always seek punitive damages... even if the consumers just want a decent DVD, and don't give a hoot about the 10,000 yen.
Does this red tint really interfere with their enjoyment of the humiliation of women and suble pedophilia?
Yes, it does. The Planetary genocide and demon rapes too.
the colors on the right are what it looked like in the theatre. Haku's shirt is supposed to be white, not orange-ish.
catgirls and fairies
About Sen to Chihiro : Fixing Sen , with review, sample images and SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS!
That was funny, why the -1?
Is anyone surprised that Dizney isn't too concerned with presentation or the original author's 'vision'. Just rent any of their mangled Hong Kong flicks, the original soundtracks are replaced with ill-fitting Americanized one-man band soundtracks and they usually have poor dubs and replace the literal chinese names with joe or bob. It would be simple to include the original version of the movie on the other side of the disk, but that would cut into profits, so I just buy the legit hk product from EBAY, scew dizney, they don't respect products that they liscense. They only respect the almighty $$$$
For correct info, read the DVD Subtitle document written by an author of Videolan.
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