"I'm tired of the government interfering where it doesn't belong. Too tired to fight. Too tired to do anything about it-"
Sadly, you've not the luxury of not fighting- not one single person can let up against this or any other onslaught on our freedoms. Rest assured, it'll be this, then it'll be something else more offensive and problematic- and eventually things will slide again because people "don't think they can make a change" or they're "tired of fighting".
"I hear fishing/golfing are a lot of fun."
Well, hate to tell ya this, the government interferes there too. What are you going to do about it?
He's got a perfectly formed opinion of/.- from what I can see, he's had it for a while. Why muddle up opinions with some silly things like facts.
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"Personally, I'd like to see the hackable X-Box make more of a splash. I love to work on various SW/HW hacks. The very closed GameCube, to me anyway, is a symbol of a vanilla money-hungry console of the past."
Really now... Do you really think that the X-box is going to be any more hackable than the GameCube? Think again- they're not going to want you re-purposing the thing to run anything other than games. Therefore, expect all kinds of entertaining strangeness to make it inconvienient to hack it. Skip the X-box, it's not going to be any different than the consoles (for it to be usable in the console arena, it's going to HAVE to be that way) and it'll set you back as much as a PC that has the same features- why bother?
I'm not Windows bashing- I'm pointing out something that is a real problem.
1) Linux/UNIX is not invulnerable, but it's been years since the Morris Worm. We're seeing a spate of this sort of stuff under NT- why? Is it because of sloppy admin work, lack of overall security in the design of Windows, or both?
2) If you can't apply security patches because it'll break your machine, then maybe there IS a problem with the OS.
If there's a patch, they should have applied it (If it breaks things, well, perhaps Windows isn't something they should be using...). If the patch doesn't fix this, they should be screaming at MS. If this is a new exploit maybe they should be screaming at MS and checking into a new system design...
If they're using all-new exploits, it may be that there ISN'T a patch to apply. Furthermore, getting Windows users to apply patches is spotty at best- users often don't even realize that they're running a web server on their box.
Hit back. Not some blind lashing out, but something planned, methodical, and brutal with minimal collateral damage.
Responding to this by reducing freedoms will not keep it from happening (If it did, the UK and Israel would have less problems...) because security measures end up failing in the end (Realize that Israelites and UK citizens in the affected areas still get car-bombings, etc. even with the security that they have- people aren't all that safe in Northern Ireland and around the West Bank and Gaza.).
What they're talking about wouldn't have prevented what happened last Tuesday. People are clamoring for them to do something, and about why this even happened. What the populace doesn't understand is that they (the terrorists) know that we've got abilities to track and crack this stuff- so they don't use crypto to avoid being caught as easily. And, as others point out, they're not going to honor our laws (Did they honor them last Tuesday? What makes people think that they're going to start now?) and use crypto that doesn't have the backdoors, etc.
It boils down to which freedoms are you talking about- restricting many of them don't guarantee security in the slightest. Everything done up to this point has been exactly opposite to what the government has been saying- it's reacting hysterically to the problem and letting the terrorists win.
They can't legally ask for everything. They can only ask/insist for the stuff that is pertinent to their current lines of business.
And I'd not take a job with a company that asks for such a thing- they KNOW it's not legal and they put it in there anyway. What other bogus things are they up to?
This tidbit ran sometime last week on LinuxToday- and the title they're closing the source to Enhydra's misleading; it's Enterprise Enhydra that they're closing the source to, not Enhydra itself.
In the message that Brian Paul put on the DRI list, he indicated that there was some talk by some of the former employees re-forming something like PI- but that it was more talk than action at this point. He also indicated that most of them still wanted to carry forward, but that the going would be slow for a while as the former DRI developers gathered up the smoking pieces of thier lives.
Of note: Gareth Hughes is now working for NVidia in their GL group from what was said in back and forth conversations with him on the DRI developer's list.
"Doesn't allow OSS work" only means something if you're doing it during their time- what you do on your personal time is your own business unless it directly competes with your employer. As for interesting projects, perhaps- but unless they're paying me ove 100k per year, I'm not giving them much more than my 40 hours per week.
An international airport in Saudi Arabia...
The collision avoidance system on the Space Shuttle...
The first pocket language translator...
Numerous Atari console games...
Some of these used a Forth implementation for a given CPU, one of them uses a special chip that was built by Harris Semiconductor, the RTX2000, one of the first Forth chips.
Forth is not used not because it's worse or not-useful. Forth is not used because it's so different from just about everything else developed to code for computers.
1+ million line programs do NOT mean useful complexity- in fact, one should question the application that actually needs that many lines of code. Furthermore, many people lump the lines of code together in a system, artificially inflating the numbers- almost a "my system's bigger and better than yours" competition.
Also of note is that few people have attempted to make a "500 user concurrent database"- ever. Have YOU ever written one? If not, why are you wasting your time posting here when you should be out flogging your product in competition with the likes of IBM, Oracle, etc.? I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to, they COULD make one in Forth (as there HAS been relational databases written in Forth...)
And his answer would be right for that- he doesn't need one for the problems he's solving. Doesn't mean someone else couldn't do it- it just means someone hasn't come along using Forth to do the task in question.
And in answer to your webserver question, it's very likely that nobody coding in Forth has gotten around to doing a Webserver as most of the people using Forth are doing embedded systems that don't have network connectivity, etc. If there was one, he might be using it.
Just because nobody's using it for that task doesn't mean that your choice is better for the task or that the language in question is poor for the task. Icon, a string and symbolic programming language from one of the inventors of Snobol is an ideal (as in, much better than C or C++) language for making compilers- nobody's using it because it's not well known and everybody and his dog follows the crowd and uses what everyone else is using.
There's tons of other Forth dialects that actually meet his criteria of being a true Forth- and they run under every OS out there from DOS all the way to Linux.
ColorForth is his implementation of his idea of what Forth should be for him. If you can use it, fine. If not, find another Forth- I'm sure there will be other implementations that code for the x25 CPU at some point. People aren't using Strostroup's implementation of C++ or K&R's implementation of C either- for that very reason.
Go hit Taygeta Scientific's website for implementations of Forth that you can try out. For Linux users, I suggest BigForth from Bernd Paysan, BTW- it's a native code generating implementation with some GUI support that shows some promise for making usable apps, etc.
There ARE ways to make Stego hidden enough that most methods are ineffective. And that's the real point here- the Terrorists in the WTC/Pentagon attack didn't use unbreakable Crypto- they didn't use much of anyting as far as anyone's been able to tell at this point.
The terrorists seem to have won what they wanted- this country's using this as excuse to reduce our liberties and we're doing other things out of pure fear and demands for false security.
Here's a clue: They won't be using missles...
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They'll smuggle the parts in one by one into the country. Then they'll assemble a Thin-man type bomb in the city that they intend nuking and do the deed. There's likely going to be NO missles to defend against.
Guns and airplanes...
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They have rounds that, while risky, are intended for use within the situation of being in flight at altitude. Also considering at that point if the sky marshals are overpowered, you're back to the situation on tuesday- they're going to be armed for bear and use it at the drop of a hat.
Why in the hell would he cover it up?
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If they're in control in such a manner that the passengers couldn't gain control, which is more important- the passengers in that plane or the thousands that might get killed if they crash into some place with lots of people.
He'd shoot the plane down and own up to it. Nobody would hold him accountable for it.
By the way, that cockpit door's not that stout- 3-5 strong people could rush the thing and batter it down easily.
Which is what amazes me...
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If they KNEW they were dead anyway- why in the hell were they complacent, like cattle off to the slaughter? I'd never willingly sit by, hoping to live a little longer, knowing that by doing so, I'm helping kill thousands.
Interesting that he thought of Muslims first...
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Guess who'll win if the 50+ people have the guts to rush them all at once. This boils down to people thinking that they'll be allright because the nice terrorists will let you go once they get what they're asking for- that's what we've all been told.
In that situation, you're in reality dead until out of dumb luck they let you go or you're rescued by someone else- or you win your life back.
Sadly, your wishes are sadly naive, based off of flawed thinking.
"Israel and Palestine have had 50 years to hate each other -- the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland have had about 300. You don't defuse a situation like that by bombing the hell out of one side (we know, Thatcher did her best)."
The peoples of Israel and Palestine have had centuries of time to hate each other. This is a conflict that has been well over 2000 years in progress. Because we support Israel, many over there transfer the same conflict to us. Perhaps you might read the Holy Bible sometime- it documents the source of the conflict in detail and shows why it's not likely to ever go away as long as we're on this Earth.
"Peace and reconciliation is, in the long run, the only way forward."
Nice sentiment. Unfortunately, they don't believe that peace will win them anything- in fact, many believe that dying while killing infidels will buy their way into Heaven. You can't have peace with these people. You can't have reconcilliation with them. They don't reason. They don't ask for any quarter. The crash, a suicide attack on the WTC and Pentagon, should tell you just how wrong you are in this regard.
"The biggest thing the American government can do now is say 'What have we done to these people? How have the affected their lives so badly that they will kill themselves just to hurt our civilians? How can *we* change *our* behaviour so that something like this never happens again.' "
Funny thing is, we've really done nothing to them other than befriend Israel. Having done so, we've involved ourselves with a blood feud that is centuries old. Once you realize that there's nothing we can do except utterly condemn Israel and help bomb the Israelites into oblivion that would appease them, then you come to the conclusion there's no middle ground for us to have to come to a peaceful resolve of this.
Biggest thing we can do is to ensure that they don't repeat this incident- ever. If that means bombing some "poorly defended" country that is financing/training them- so be it.
Apparently the Pentagon's been hit as well.
All of the US Government buildings have been evacuated.
One of the World Trade Center towers just collapsed on live TV. Calls for help just went out on the police bands.
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Without some sort of reforms, the Libertarians will too succumb to the PACs' influence- many have a price, some just higher than others.
"I'm tired of the government interfering where it doesn't belong. Too tired to fight. Too tired to do anything about it-"
Sadly, you've not the luxury of not fighting- not one single person can let up against this or any other onslaught on our freedoms. Rest assured, it'll be this, then it'll be something else more offensive and problematic- and eventually things will slide again because people "don't think they can make a change" or they're "tired of fighting".
"I hear fishing/golfing are a lot of fun."
Well, hate to tell ya this, the government interferes there too. What are you going to do about it?
He's got a perfectly formed opinion of /.- from what I can see, he's had it for a while. Why muddle up opinions with some silly things like facts.
"Personally, I'd like to see the hackable X-Box make more of a splash. I love to work on various SW/HW hacks. The very closed GameCube, to me anyway, is a symbol of a vanilla money-hungry console of the past."
Really now... Do you really think that the X-box is going to be any more hackable than the GameCube? Think again- they're not going to want you re-purposing the thing to run anything other than games. Therefore, expect all kinds of entertaining strangeness to make it inconvienient to hack it. Skip the X-box, it's not going to be any different than the consoles (for it to be usable in the console arena, it's going to HAVE to be that way) and it'll set you back as much as a PC that has the same features- why bother?
I'm not Windows bashing- I'm pointing out something that is a real problem.
1) Linux/UNIX is not invulnerable, but it's been years since the Morris Worm. We're seeing a spate of this sort of stuff under NT- why? Is it because of sloppy admin work, lack of overall security in the design of Windows, or both?
2) If you can't apply security patches because it'll break your machine, then maybe there IS a problem with the OS.
If there's a patch, they should have applied it (If it breaks things, well, perhaps Windows isn't something they should be using...). If the patch doesn't fix this, they should be screaming at MS. If this is a new exploit maybe they should be screaming at MS and checking into a new system design...
If they're using all-new exploits, it may be that there ISN'T a patch to apply. Furthermore, getting Windows users to apply patches is spotty at best- users often don't even realize that they're running a web server on their box.
Hit back. Not some blind lashing out, but something planned, methodical, and brutal with minimal collateral damage.
Responding to this by reducing freedoms will not keep it from happening (If it did, the UK and Israel would have less problems...) because security measures end up failing in the end (Realize that Israelites and UK citizens in the affected areas still get car-bombings, etc. even with the security that they have- people aren't all that safe in Northern Ireland and around the West Bank and Gaza.).
What they're talking about wouldn't have prevented what happened last Tuesday. People are clamoring for them to do something, and about why this even happened. What the populace doesn't understand is that they (the terrorists) know that we've got abilities to track and crack this stuff- so they don't use crypto to avoid being caught as easily. And, as others point out, they're not going to honor our laws (Did they honor them last Tuesday? What makes people think that they're going to start now?) and use crypto that doesn't have the backdoors, etc.
It boils down to which freedoms are you talking about- restricting many of them don't guarantee security in the slightest. Everything done up to this point has been exactly opposite to what the government has been saying- it's reacting hysterically to the problem and letting the terrorists win.
They can't legally ask for everything. They can only ask/insist for the stuff that is pertinent to their current lines of business.
And I'd not take a job with a company that asks for such a thing- they KNOW it's not legal and they put it in there anyway. What other bogus things are they up to?
This tidbit ran sometime last week on LinuxToday- and the title they're closing the source to Enhydra's misleading; it's Enterprise Enhydra that they're closing the source to, not Enhydra itself.
In the message that Brian Paul put on the DRI list, he indicated that there was some talk by some of the former employees re-forming something like PI- but that it was more talk than action at this point. He also indicated that most of them still wanted to carry forward, but that the going would be slow for a while as the former DRI developers gathered up the smoking pieces of thier lives.
Of note: Gareth Hughes is now working for NVidia in their GL group from what was said in back and forth conversations with him on the DRI developer's list.
"Doesn't allow OSS work" only means something if you're doing it during their time- what you do on your personal time is your own business unless it directly competes with your employer. As for interesting projects, perhaps- but unless they're paying me ove 100k per year, I'm not giving them much more than my 40 hours per week.
An international airport in Saudi Arabia...
The collision avoidance system on the Space Shuttle...
The first pocket language translator...
Numerous Atari console games...
Some of these used a Forth implementation for a given CPU, one of them uses a special chip that was built by Harris Semiconductor, the RTX2000, one of the first Forth chips.
Forth is not used not because it's worse or not-useful. Forth is not used because it's so different from just about everything else developed to code for computers.
1+ million line programs do NOT mean useful complexity- in fact, one should question the application that actually needs that many lines of code. Furthermore, many people lump the lines of code together in a system, artificially inflating the numbers- almost a "my system's bigger and better than yours" competition.
Also of note is that few people have attempted to make a "500 user concurrent database"- ever. Have YOU ever written one? If not, why are you wasting your time posting here when you should be out flogging your product in competition with the likes of IBM, Oracle, etc.? I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to, they COULD make one in Forth (as there HAS been relational databases written in Forth...)
And his answer would be right for that- he doesn't need one for the problems he's solving. Doesn't mean someone else couldn't do it- it just means someone hasn't come along using Forth to do the task in question.
And in answer to your webserver question, it's very likely that nobody coding in Forth has gotten around to doing a Webserver as most of the people using Forth are doing embedded systems that don't have network connectivity, etc. If there was one, he might be using it.
Just because nobody's using it for that task doesn't mean that your choice is better for the task or that the language in question is poor for the task. Icon, a string and symbolic programming language from one of the inventors of Snobol is an ideal (as in, much better than C or C++) language for making compilers- nobody's using it because it's not well known and everybody and his dog follows the crowd and uses what everyone else is using.
There's tons of other Forth dialects that actually meet his criteria of being a true Forth- and they run under every OS out there from DOS all the way to Linux.
ColorForth is his implementation of his idea of what Forth should be for him. If you can use it, fine. If not, find another Forth- I'm sure there will be other implementations that code for the x25 CPU at some point. People aren't using Strostroup's implementation of C++ or K&R's implementation of C either- for that very reason.
Go hit Taygeta Scientific's website for implementations of Forth that you can try out. For Linux users, I suggest BigForth from Bernd Paysan, BTW- it's a native code generating implementation with some GUI support that shows some promise for making usable apps, etc.
There ARE ways to make Stego hidden enough that most methods are ineffective. And that's the real point here- the Terrorists in the WTC/Pentagon attack didn't use unbreakable Crypto- they didn't use much of anyting as far as anyone's been able to tell at this point.
The terrorists seem to have won what they wanted- this country's using this as excuse to reduce our liberties and we're doing other things out of pure fear and demands for false security.
They'll smuggle the parts in one by one into the country. Then they'll assemble a Thin-man type bomb in the city that they intend nuking and do the deed. There's likely going to be NO missles to defend against.
They have rounds that, while risky, are intended for use within the situation of being in flight at altitude. Also considering at that point if the sky marshals are overpowered, you're back to the situation on tuesday- they're going to be armed for bear and use it at the drop of a hat.
If they're in control in such a manner that the passengers couldn't gain control, which is more important- the passengers in that plane or the thousands that might get killed if they crash into some place with lots of people.
He'd shoot the plane down and own up to it. Nobody would hold him accountable for it.
By the way, that cockpit door's not that stout- 3-5 strong people could rush the thing and batter it down easily.
If they KNEW they were dead anyway- why in the hell were they complacent, like cattle off to the slaughter? I'd never willingly sit by, hoping to live a little longer, knowing that by doing so, I'm helping kill thousands.
One has to wonder about that.
Guess who'll win if the 50+ people have the guts to rush them all at once. This boils down to people thinking that they'll be allright because the nice terrorists will let you go once they get what they're asking for- that's what we've all been told.
In that situation, you're in reality dead until out of dumb luck they let you go or you're rescued by someone else- or you win your life back.
Sadly, your wishes are sadly naive, based off of flawed thinking.
"Israel and Palestine have had 50 years to hate each other -- the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland have had about 300. You don't defuse a situation like that by bombing the hell out of one side (we know, Thatcher did her best)."
The peoples of Israel and Palestine have had centuries of time to hate each other. This is a conflict that has been well over 2000 years in progress. Because we support Israel, many over there transfer the same conflict to us. Perhaps you might read the Holy Bible sometime- it documents the source of the conflict in detail and shows why it's not likely to ever go away as long as we're on this Earth.
"Peace and reconciliation is, in the long run, the only way forward."
Nice sentiment. Unfortunately, they don't believe that peace will win them anything- in fact, many believe that dying while killing infidels will buy their way into Heaven. You can't have peace with these people. You can't have reconcilliation with them. They don't reason. They don't ask for any quarter. The crash, a suicide attack on the WTC and Pentagon, should tell you just how wrong you are in this regard.
"The biggest thing the American government can do now is say 'What have we done to these people? How have the affected their lives so badly that they will kill themselves just to hurt our civilians? How can *we* change *our* behaviour so that something like this never happens again.' "
Funny thing is, we've really done nothing to them other than befriend Israel. Having done so, we've involved ourselves with a blood feud that is centuries old. Once you realize that there's nothing we can do except utterly condemn Israel and help bomb the Israelites into oblivion that would appease them, then you come to the conclusion there's no middle ground for us to have to come to a peaceful resolve of this.
Biggest thing we can do is to ensure that they don't repeat this incident- ever. If that means bombing some "poorly defended" country that is financing/training them- so be it.
Apparently the Pentagon's been hit as well.
All of the US Government buildings have been evacuated.
One of the World Trade Center towers just collapsed on live TV. Calls for help just went out on the police bands.
All hell just bust loose.