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An anonymous reader writes "According to an article from PC World, a source close to the CSS Managed Recording forum said that technology which allows movies to be downloaded and burned to blank DVDs, using the same content-protection system as commercial discs, received official approval on Thursday. 'The technology will require discs that are slightly different from the conventional DVD-Rs found in shops today. The burned discs will be compatible with the vast majority of consumer DVD players ... Despite Thursday's approval, services that allow consumers to legally download and burn movies in their own homes are unlikely to appear quickly. The DVD CCA said it will be initially restricted to professional uses. These might include kiosks in retail stores where consumers can purchase and burn discs in a controlled environment.'"
I've been doing it for years.
Swing and a miss. nonstandard dvds, nice try, please come again.
So, I go to a retail store to buy/download a dvd online - buy a special disk and burn it there ... instead of going to the dvd aisle? yea.....
The burned discs will be compatible with the vast majority of consumer DVD players ...
This is a lie. And if I learned something from history (and e.g. Sony advertising), then that this is a lie...
The DVD CCA said it will be initially restricted to professional uses. These might include kiosks in retail stores where consumers can purchase and burn discs in a controlled environment.
That's not professional use. It's a business model that will fail. If I learned something from history, then that this is one of the business models which fail because you don't confront paying customers with prison-vocabulary like "controlled environment".
who the hell do they think they are? I SAY WHAT IS LEGAL IN MY OWN HOME.
so yes, music and video piracy is legal, so is smoking pot.
The corporates can just get fucked.
Seriously, I was totally expecting to see him with a weird collar and a flashlight. And LaBamba going.....
IN THE YEAR 2000
Great! I know more than a few people who have had the damndest time trying to figure out how to pay money for internet downloads. It's a very difficult problem. Most of the time, putting a credit card into a disk slot or DVD drive results in calamity (CD drives fare slightly better).
Up until now, these people have had to deal with the soul-rending implications of not being able to pay money for downloads.
Maybe, in time, a similar system could be put into place for all the porn we wish we didn't have to download for free. Would it help the economy?
So I am going to walk into Best Buy, walk up to a kiosk, pick the movie I want to watch, wait 5-10 minutes for it to download and burn on this special DVD, pay for it, and walk out? As opposed to me just grabbing the movie off the shelf and skipping the burning-downloading part?
It is much easier to code right, then to patch it up later.
using the same content-protection system as commercial discs
... ahhh, this will maybe prevent ripping? Or will there be media taxes imposed? Will I need to install special drivers to burn to or read from the discs? Would such drivers, if required, govern my PC playback and 'secure' access to the discs?
So why bother? It's been broken for over 7 years. Unless...
The technology will require discs that are slightly different from the conventional DVD-Rs found in shops today
computer store conversation
customer: hello, my son says i need some blank dvds for my holiday video
Salesman: certainly sir which would you require ?
customer: iam not sure
salesman: well is it DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-HD, DVD-RAM, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, DVD+DL, DVD-DL, DVDRW+DL, DVDRW-DL ?
customer: erm iam not sure DVDR i was told
salesman: ok lets say its DVD-R what speed would you like?
customer: ??
salesman: 1-4x, 2-8x or 4-16x
customer: ???
salesman: and would it be an Organic layer based disc or Gold archival format ?
customer: forget it i'll just have a box of VHS tapes please
i just don't understand, why those stupid companies (yes there seem to be more of them) constantly work on innovations no one really wants or cares about? is the machinery that mindless or are the people in charge ignorant? maybe they got too much money, so they can't imagine, that there's others out there that are willing to pay horrendous amounts of money for the same shit over and over again. ... i just don't know, how itunes could ever become such a huge success. do people really realize, what they are doing, when buying from that store? are they aware of the implications, that in a few hours, all those songs are lost, because their ipods turned to dust and the music they bought went down with their only way of listening to it?
i think there's a general lack of awareness regarding DRM and competing technologies. it doesn't seem that this will change in the near future and just as with sony's (already almost forgotten) rootkit disaster (time really seems to heal all wounds). the public outcry will take a while to surface, because "the mob" isn't aware of it now.
Perhaps the advantage is that you'll be able to gain access to a giant catalog of movies as opposed to simply what is in stock? Furthermore, locations could offer this huge selection of movies without even having stock?
A good example would be a kiosk at a supermarket. You could come in, choose a movie, swipe your credit card, start the burn process, when it's done, it could set it aside until you swipe your credit card again, after you are done shopping. It could use DVD-RW and predict demand for popular movies and keep recycling disks, so that if you pick a popular movie it doesn't even have to burn it. It could do this all through the night and at 10 minutes a disk (conservative estimate) could produce 144 DVDs a day. More likely it'd be closer to double that.
Even more obvious is that it could be integrated into an online service that would let you choose movies and guarantee their availability when you go to the store. Browse online then simply pick it up when you go for groceries. Convenience and instant gratification.
All this saves is retail storage space - ie it is convenient for the studios and the stores because they don't need the same warehouse and shelf space. Its not convenient for me. I can already walk to the Global Video 50 yards from my house and buy (or rent) DVDs. Except now, if its not a popular choice, I have to wait at a booth until a 4GB file downloads.
It just reinforces in my mind that consumers are merely obstacles between the studios and their money, and technology is merely a lubricant to ease the movement of money from us to them. Nothing else matters - in fact anything else is an obstacle.
This will, of course, be available for open source software users in the quarter after hell freezes over.
Craig Steffen
http://www.craigsteffen.net
These new MPAA approved DVD-R(W) Discs will be available for the low low price of only 29.99 a disc. With 80% of the revenue being kicked back to the MPAA by the disc maker
What a bargin! LOLz
Pressing real discs is much cheaper than burning DVD recordables. If you are dealing in quantities over just a few hundred, real replication is the faster, more reliable, and more economical solution. This idea makes no sense for the consumer or the business owner and there is nothing convenient about it. The only possible good that can come out of it is the increased availability of obscure DVD titles that there is currently no retail shelf space for. But it's never going to happen because this business model doesn't make sense for any business that is interested in volume: a requirement in the retail media channel. Too much overhead in terms of time, equipment, and pissed off customers stuck with useless or failing DVD recordable discs. The concept will fail before obscure titles ever are considered for this kind of duplication.
+0 Meh
>"I think that this will reduce considerably the costs for the distribution of a movie"
A DVD costs pennies to make/transport (I get plenty of them for free with magazines/etc.). Installing all the hardware/infrastructure needed for this system will cost a fortune.
No sig today...
...it is already now possible to easily rip and copy DVDs, so why even bother to protect the images. Sell the downloadable images for half the price and let people burn them! What do you gain by "protecting" them?!
...that perhaps this isn't supposed to succeed? Think about it; the studios want this to happen. First, they say "downloadable and burnable movies for the masses!" Second, they come up with a business model designed to fail and a process designed to be less convenient for the consumer. Third, sales end up in the gutter. Fourth, they discontinue offering movies in this manner. Fifth, anytime someone starts talking about how movies should we should be able to download movies and burn them to discs, the studios point at this and say that the model is unfeasable. Sixth, they are able to label almost anyone who has a movie on a disc that wasn't burned by them as a pirate.
The technology will require discs that are slightly different from the conventional DVD-Rs found in shops today
You can bet those disks, which cost them a nickel to make, will cost you $7 apiece. They are not going to stop robbing us, they are just trying to make it less obvious.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
What's the difference between a consumer DVD player and, e.g., an enterprise DVD player? Or a "prosumer" DVD player? Are they able to ignore regional settings and have a CSS licence or something?
There are so many unwarranted uses of the word "consumer" in TFS and TFA it isn't funny.
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
If you are going to be in a professional environment, why the hell would you want to sit and wait for a disc to be burned? Let's say you're at your local shopping mall, chances are that you'll be within sight of a Sam Goody, FYE, or Suncoast store...if you're going to buy a movie, you might as well buy it in retail packaging.
Still, for those rare dvd's one does want to own, why would you want a shit burned DVD with some crap injet label instead of a slick case with insert?
When will the MPAA realise their existing monopoly-based sales model doesn't work any more?
They should do something innovative instead of trying to release pointless and unwanted variants of the old sales model.
I say this is pointless because anyone with a dvd burner and a subscription to netflix or blockbuster can already do more than this 'new concept' is offering. Furthermore they can still use standard media, and it probably costs a lot less per copy.
Yet another case of a legitimate use for cracking DRM. If I were to use this service, and the "special" blank DVDs cost a cent more, I'd simply crack the DVDs the way I already do and burn a non-DRM'd version.
The real obstacle would be if it requires special software -- which I'd imagine it does. But if they let us download anything resembling an ISO or a BIN/CUE, like we're used to, then this could actually be useful.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
I saw this a few years ago ('02-'03) at a Sheetz store in Williamsport, PA. It wasn't there for long. You could go to the thing, pick a movie, and get the DVD a few hours later, I believe is how it worked.
Sorry bucko, Blockbuster is faster. (They made you return the video).
I would pay $2-$3 per movie, especially if it is rare content. I don't care so much for popular movies or new releases, but there are a lot of fringe films that I would love to have the opportunity to purchase. Since I watch 1 or 2 films a day, the industry could make $90-$135 from me alone, which is way more than the $0 they're getting now, because the only convenient distribution channel for most of these films is bittorrent right now. Because of the nature of bittorrent, pr0n slides in a lot easier than fringe films, so there is a need... someone fill it?
This article is a little irrelevent, since CinemaNow.com has been offering this service to the public for almost a year. Check out their 'Burn to DVD' section, it works, even if the studios won't give them enough content in this format. It takes time to change the studios minds, but they will eventually.
These might include kiosks in retail stores where consumers can purchase and burn discs in a controlled environment.
Because teenagers and college kids working in kiosks will prevent their friends and peers from making unauthorized duplications of any film without the express written consent of the MPAA, Skywalker Studios, and George Lucas.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Every time I see an article like this, it's like looking back 10 years into the past. Wow, we're almost able to download movies from the internet and watch them on our DVD players! This is breaking news!
People have been doing that for years now. Sure, it's not legal, but I'll be damned if I'm going to wait for these companies to get their act together and provide a legitimate service to allow me to do what I've been able to do already since the turn of the millennium. I'm also not about to buy special (read: more expensive) blank DVDs just to burn their special copy-protected crap, which will only serve to restrict my use of the finished disc.
How do these people expect to catch up to piracy when what they're offering isn't anywhere near as convenient, is much more expensive, and still attempts to take away peoples' rights regarding what they can do with the product?
A Modest Proposal
Seems to me a better way to do this would be simply to sell two kinds of DVDs in retail stores, including a new kind that gives the RIAA a fee in place of royalties in exchange for the granting of rights to download and burn any kind of copyrighted material onto that disk anywhere. This fee, of course, would be added to the cost of the DVD the consumer pays.
So those who want the RIAA to get their pound of flesh can do so and burn with a clear legal conscience, and those who prefer to pirate can buy the cheaper DVDs we are already using.
This would require the RIAA to monitor all P2P downloads so the royalties can be divided pro rata to the artists due them. But since they already seem to be monitoring DLs, it would be of no significant added cost to them.
... is what I call it - we used to burn books, now we'll burn ruch multimedia content!!!
The EZTakes Movie Downloads Store has been live for over a year and has over 2,000 downloadable/burnable DVDs online. They don't use DRM and all of their movies are licensed from the content owners.
I remember Blockbuster was going to be providing burn-on-demand VHS tapes Real Soon Now, about 10 years ago... I see this having almost exactly the same chance of becoming a reality.
Chelloveck
I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
Sonic announced this deal with your favourite company Macrovision last October: http://www.sonic.com/about/press/news/2006/10/secu reDVD.aspx