Spiderman set records for biggest weekend take ever. Also, Ep2 is opening on fewer screens. Also, I think it's safe to say there's much less buzz for Ep2 than Ep1.
Nothing has ever happened to my windows Machine...
Yes, I agree, this has been my experience as well. Though I think for large corporations, dumb employees opening bad emails in outlook end up causing more problems over the long run.
Most recently, my linux machine was hacked by a bug in OpenSSH. Though I'm familiar with locking down linux boxes, ssh is must. It kinda makes me wish there was some way to get updates pushed to me, Microsoft-style.
Apparently macs can read and burn everything but the first track. Not exactly effective copy protection.
Slightly related... can't anyone really get almost perfect reproduction with a $100 sony CD player with an optical out and a $100 SBlive with an optical in?
Companies don't buy brand X RAM on pricewatch. They spend the extra $$$ and buy real brand name memory that is guaranteed compatible with their systems
Okay, so then 1 GB of Micron ram for $200? The samsung stuff is even cheaper. NEC is $224. It's still not that much money to put towards ram on a decent business workstation.
I would strongly disagree... you work in the financial industry and your company can't cough up $150 for a gig of ram in every machine that needs it?
I agree that ICQ using 12 MB of ram and Acrobat using 20 megs is annoying and probably could be rewritten to use less resources, but resources are pretty cost effective right now.
All this will bring on is more expensive software and stile innovation.
You want to be able to sue me for $100,000 if something is wrong? Fine, but if I'm going to take on that extra liability, I'm going to quadruple the price of my software.
I'm still amazed by the fact that most american think that they have more freedom because they can own a gun...
Who is it exactly that should decide what is or isn't legal for you? "I'm amazed that the British think they have more freedom because they can own knives". Obviously knives are only used for stabbing people.
Maybe in 30 years you can say "I'm amazed the Americans think they have more freedom because they don't have embedded ID tags in their necks".
Can't think of a group of people who care less about their customers ?
Tobacco and Gun companies, lob in the Defence industry, lawyers etc etc etc.
What a troll. Though I'm not going to try to defend the tobacco companies here, the gun, defense and legal industries do not set out specifically to harm their customers.
This is flawed logic at it's worst. Are you telling me the defense industry doesn't care about the American people? That's it whole fucking purpose, is to defend morons like you.
Leaving the decisions of politcal leaders out of it, without Colt firearms and Beoing bomber aircraft, you'd be tossing Hitlers salad along with everybody else. Every war or military action may not be justified, but there are certainly times when they are.
Also, although society has become a bit litigious, don't forgot those downtrodden defense lawyers who got your sorry ass Miranda rights. Lawyers for big companies do try to take away alot of rights from people, but other lawyers got you a lot of rights to begin with. It's a give and take... good and bad.
Anyways, you're allowed to be a dirty hippie pinko if you want, but I'm still gonna eat steak, smoke Marlboros, drink Jack Daniels, own a Glock, and live in a troubled but still free fucking country.
You can legally obtain my house address, but that doesn't give the right to take beer from my fridge unless I give you permission. And I don't whether you can identify yourself or will stop taking beer after I complain, I will report you to the proper authorities for theft, just like I will report you to your upstream for your spam.
Aha, but when you bought that la-z-boy at my garage sale, the privacy policy I made you sign said that I have the right to come to your house and take your beer. You didn't bother to read it, but I'll be over tomorrow at 8:30. And my story holds up in court. Do you have cable?
If I opted into it, and didn't realize I'd done so (perhaps I'm the dr00ling AOLer you seem to think I am), then show me the opt-in.
Again, as I mentioned in my original post, many people are keeping records of timestamps and IP addresses when the user opted in. I think over the next 6 to 12 months it will be very possible to do this in most cases (of legitamate companies, that is)
So, because some tits are fake and some Rolexes are fake, and since I wouldn't give up feeling tits, or wearing a Rolex, just because I can't trust the owner of the tits or the seller of the Rolex, I should trust you? Holy non-sequitur, Batman!
No, some days you eat the bar, and some days the bar eats you. Legit mail has legit unsubscribe links/addresses. If people spent half as much time working on some sort of secure unsubscribe as they did bitching about mail, you're filters could block everything that doens't contain a trusted unsubscribe link... problem solved. Everyone's happy. Most companies don't want to send mail to you if you're not reading the message, it's wasted bandwidth which equals wasted money.
And what I am gonna do is this: Find your upstream, and report you to them as a spammer. Don't want the 2000 TOS violation reports? Don't spam.
Most of our boxes are on very reputable hosting services. Reporting us upstream will get you unsubscribed, and once again, problem solved. You're not getting mail and we're not getting complaints.
As far as the 2000 TOS complaints go, that is part of the business. Case in point, one of our customers has millions of addresses that he sends to every day. We took a few machines down to work with the software and didn't send to those people for a couple of days. When we started back up again, the complaints doubled because people are too dumb to remember that they used to receive this mailing every day. Once they did start getting it again, they thought it was spam.
And if your upstream ignores those reports, what am I gonna do? Well, I'm probably gonna add your netblocks to my private blocklist. Don't want to be blocked? Don't spam.
Unless you're AOL or hotmail, nobody sending lots of mail (legit or otherwise) will really care.
How come (and I don't mean you specifically, I mean the general case over the past few years) every spammer always tries to re-define "spam" in such a way as "Well, whatever we do isn't spam."
If it's in my mailbox, it's unsolicited, and it was generated in bulk, it's spam, and I'll choose to either block the server that sent it, or report it to the sender's provider. What are you going to do?
At this point, I would define spam having at least some of the following traits:
1. Forged headers
2. No way to unsubscribe
3. Addresses not legally obtained
4. No response to complaints
The email my company and even doubleclick, evil as they are, sends does not conform to any of these criteria. According to your definition, the "welcome to outlook express" mail that you get when you open outlook is spam. Why don't you take it to microsoft?
In the end, my post has managed to spawn a horrible flamewar which it was never intended to do. Because Doubleclick has a hosted emarketing solution does not make them spammers. It's possible that spammers may try to use this service, but the sheer volume of complaints will quickly cause doubleclick to cut business ties to these companies. And, like it or not, there's no law about all mailings being double opt in. All these mailings that doubleclick will be sending will either be direct signups or were bought from another site that had the direct signups. If they were harvested somehow the sheer magnitude of the complaints will literally make it impossible to host in the US.
You have NOT opted in until you've confirmed your subscription via some unique generated URL or reply-to address. There's just no other practical way you can be sure your list only contains those that chose to opt-in.
Again, reading privacy statements will tell you what can happen to your email. I think an IP address, timestamp, and site of origin will hold up in court without a problem. You may not agree with it, but it's legal.
Also, I should note that confirmations are known as "double opt-in", which is another level of validation and can reduce complaints (but even then not always).
If you can, could you tell us what proportion of an email "blast" actually clicks the unsubscribe link?
Yes, it hovers around or below 1%.
The general perception these days is that nobody should ever click an unsubscribe link, because it will prove your email address works. It's nice to find someone who might be able to provide some real facts about this.
Yeah, that's true. I have a hotmail account which fills up with about 10 spams a day and 90% of those take me to a broken web page when I click on unsubscribe.
Fuck you. Keep your damn emails to yourself. If you can tell that some people are bouncing your SPAM, take their names off your list
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, the whole point of the 2000 TOS complaints is that we pay somebody to sit around and unsubscribe those people (like you) who were too stupid to unsubscribe themselves.
I'm a little biased because I work for a company that sends promotional email blasts.
That having been said, there is a huge difference between spam and the mail this service is sending.
Like it or not, at one time or another you didn't read a privacy notice and your email address was sold to another company.
When we send out 5 million+ mailings, about 2000 TOS (terms of service) or Spamcop violations will come back. What most of these morons don't realize is, there's both a link and an email address they can send mail to to unsubscribe permanently and effectively from our lists.
This won't get you off other peoples' lists, but it will get you off ours. Currently, about a 1/4 of our customers actually have a timestamp and IP address telling us exactly when and where these addresses came from. I would expect in the near future that everybody will start doing this.
Now, this isn't so say that all people are nice. That's not to say that people don't troll web pages and people don't fake mail-from headers. It happens. But there's also a lot of promotional mail that YOU OPTED INTO whether you realize it or not.
What I'm saying is, before labeling every piece of mail that you get as spam, try unsubscribing. And yes, I know that some unsubscribe links are fake. What are you going to do? There are also fake breasts and fake watches. Will you spend the rest of your life wandering around as a confused virgin? (well.. maybe the wrong place to ask this)
So, in conclusion, I know how fashionable it is to love linux and hate companies that are "out to get us" like Microsoft and DoubleClick, but this article is inflammatory and causing a lot of stupid people to post a lot of stupid comments.
If you want to get out some angst, try:
http://www.postmastergeneral.com/
http://www.e-centives.com/corp/
http://www.messagemedia
Or, combining microsoft AND email:
http://www.bcentral.com/
And lots of other companies (like mine) that send lots of LEGAL, NON-SPAM, promotional email.
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That's a bet I'd take.
You'd probably lose.
Spiderman set records for biggest weekend take ever. Also, Ep2 is opening on fewer screens. Also, I think it's safe to say there's much less buzz for Ep2 than Ep1.
My linux box has been hacked 4 times...
Nothing has ever happened to my windows Machine...
Yes, I agree, this has been my experience as well. Though I think for large corporations, dumb employees opening bad emails in outlook end up causing more problems over the long run.
Most recently, my linux machine was hacked by a bug in OpenSSH. Though I'm familiar with locking down linux boxes, ssh is must. It kinda makes me wish there was some way to get updates pushed to me, Microsoft-style.
Good use of AC. Now we'll never know who you are, masked virgin!
If the ad had said "Sends other UNIX Boxen to /dev/null." I would have been sold.
And you wonder why you're a 27 year old virgin?
Does it really matter that it runs linux if it sucks as a PDA? It might have a Gee-Wiz cool factor, but if it sucks it sucks.
Apparently macs can read and burn everything but the first track. Not exactly effective copy protection.
Slightly related... can't anyone really get almost perfect reproduction with a $100 sony CD player with an optical out and a $100 SBlive with an optical in?
Companies don't buy brand X RAM on pricewatch. They spend the extra $$$ and buy real brand name memory that is guaranteed compatible with their systems
Okay, so then 1 GB of Micron ram for $200? The samsung stuff is even cheaper. NEC is $224. It's still not that much money to put towards ram on a decent business workstation.
I would strongly disagree... you work in the financial industry and your company can't cough up $150 for a gig of ram in every machine that needs it?
I agree that ICQ using 12 MB of ram and Acrobat using 20 megs is annoying and probably could be rewritten to use less resources, but resources are pretty cost effective right now.
All this will bring on is more expensive software and stile innovation.
You want to be able to sue me for $100,000 if something is wrong? Fine, but if I'm going to take on that extra liability, I'm going to quadruple the price of my software.
I'm still amazed by the fact that most american think that they have more freedom because they can own a gun...
Who is it exactly that should decide what is or isn't legal for you? "I'm amazed that the British think they have more freedom because they can own knives". Obviously knives are only used for stabbing people.
Maybe in 30 years you can say "I'm amazed the Americans think they have more freedom because they don't have embedded ID tags in their necks".
Free?! I take it you're a middle-class, white suburbanite...
Yeah, if I was upper class, I'd be paying damn near 40% taxes... that doens't sound too free to me.
Can't think of a group of people who care less about their customers ?
Tobacco and Gun companies, lob in the Defence industry, lawyers etc etc etc.
What a troll. Though I'm not going to try to defend the tobacco companies here, the gun, defense and legal industries do not set out specifically to harm their customers.
This is flawed logic at it's worst. Are you telling me the defense industry doesn't care about the American people? That's it whole fucking purpose, is to defend morons like you.
Leaving the decisions of politcal leaders out of it, without Colt firearms and Beoing bomber aircraft, you'd be tossing Hitlers salad along with everybody else. Every war or military action may not be justified, but there are certainly times when they are.
Also, although society has become a bit litigious, don't forgot those downtrodden defense lawyers who got your sorry ass Miranda rights. Lawyers for big companies do try to take away alot of rights from people, but other lawyers got you a lot of rights to begin with. It's a give and take... good and bad.
Anyways, you're allowed to be a dirty hippie pinko if you want, but I'm still gonna eat steak, smoke Marlboros, drink Jack Daniels, own a Glock, and live in a troubled but still free fucking country.
Ever want to take the infamous 15-412 Operating Systems class at CMU? Type 15-412 into google and you can get the homepage:
c ts /proj3/
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~412/index.html
full of lectures, notes, homework, exams and projects.
How many of you have ever written your own shell from scratch? Maybe now's your chance. Or better yet, read up the kernel project:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~412/applications/proje
You can legally obtain my house address, but that doesn't give the right to take beer from my fridge unless I give you permission. And I don't whether you can identify yourself or will stop taking beer after I complain, I will report you to the proper authorities for theft, just like I will report you to your upstream for your spam.
Aha, but when you bought that la-z-boy at my garage sale, the privacy policy I made you sign said that I have the right to come to your house and take your beer. You didn't bother to read it, but I'll be over tomorrow at 8:30. And my story holds up in court. Do you have cable?
If I opted into it, and didn't realize I'd done so (perhaps I'm the dr00ling AOLer you seem to think I am), then show me the opt-in.
Again, as I mentioned in my original post, many people are keeping records of timestamps and IP addresses when the user opted in. I think over the next 6 to 12 months it will be very possible to do this in most cases (of legitamate companies, that is)
So, because some tits are fake and some Rolexes are fake, and since I wouldn't give up feeling tits, or wearing a Rolex, just because I can't trust the owner of the tits or the seller of the Rolex, I should trust you? Holy non-sequitur, Batman!
No, some days you eat the bar, and some days the bar eats you. Legit mail has legit unsubscribe links/addresses. If people spent half as much time working on some sort of secure unsubscribe as they did bitching about mail, you're filters could block everything that doens't contain a trusted unsubscribe link... problem solved. Everyone's happy. Most companies don't want to send mail to you if you're not reading the message, it's wasted bandwidth which equals wasted money.
And what I am gonna do is this: Find your upstream, and report you to them as a spammer. Don't want the 2000 TOS violation reports? Don't spam.
Most of our boxes are on very reputable hosting services. Reporting us upstream will get you unsubscribed, and once again, problem solved. You're not getting mail and we're not getting complaints.
As far as the 2000 TOS complaints go, that is part of the business. Case in point, one of our customers has millions of addresses that he sends to every day. We took a few machines down to work with the software and didn't send to those people for a couple of days. When we started back up again, the complaints doubled because people are too dumb to remember that they used to receive this mailing every day. Once they did start getting it again, they thought it was spam.
And if your upstream ignores those reports, what am I gonna do? Well, I'm probably gonna add your netblocks to my private blocklist. Don't want to be blocked? Don't spam.
Unless you're AOL or hotmail, nobody sending lots of mail (legit or otherwise) will really care.
How come (and I don't mean you specifically, I mean the general case over the past few years) every spammer always tries to re-define "spam" in such a way as "Well, whatever we do isn't spam."
If it's in my mailbox, it's unsolicited, and it was generated in bulk, it's spam, and I'll choose to either block the server that sent it, or report it to the sender's provider. What are you going to do?
At this point, I would define spam having at least some of the following traits:
1. Forged headers
2. No way to unsubscribe
3. Addresses not legally obtained
4. No response to complaints
The email my company and even doubleclick, evil as they are, sends does not conform to any of these criteria. According to your definition, the "welcome to outlook express" mail that you get when you open outlook is spam. Why don't you take it to microsoft?
In the end, my post has managed to spawn a horrible flamewar which it was never intended to do. Because Doubleclick has a hosted emarketing solution does not make them spammers. It's possible that spammers may try to use this service, but the sheer volume of complaints will quickly cause doubleclick to cut business ties to these companies. And, like it or not, there's no law about all mailings being double opt in. All these mailings that doubleclick will be sending will either be direct signups or were bought from another site that had the direct signups. If they were harvested somehow the sheer magnitude of the complaints will literally make it impossible to host in the US.
You have NOT opted in until you've confirmed your subscription via some unique generated URL or reply-to address. There's just no other practical way you can be sure your list only contains those that chose to opt-in.
Again, reading privacy statements will tell you what can happen to your email. I think an IP address, timestamp, and site of origin will hold up in court without a problem. You may not agree with it, but it's legal.
Also, I should note that confirmations are known as "double opt-in", which is another level of validation and can reduce complaints (but even then not always).
If you can, could you tell us what proportion of an email "blast" actually clicks the unsubscribe link?
Yes, it hovers around or below 1%.
The general perception these days is that nobody should ever click an unsubscribe link, because it will prove your email address works. It's nice to find someone who might be able to provide some real facts about this.
Yeah, that's true. I have a hotmail account which fills up with about 10 spams a day and 90% of those take me to a broken web page when I click on unsubscribe.
Fuck you. Keep your damn emails to yourself. If you can tell that some people are bouncing your SPAM, take their names off your list
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, the whole point of the 2000 TOS complaints is that we pay somebody to sit around and unsubscribe those people (like you) who were too stupid to unsubscribe themselves.
I'm a little biased because I work for a company that sends promotional email blasts.
That having been said, there is a huge difference between spam and the mail this service is sending.
Like it or not, at one time or another you didn't read a privacy notice and your email address was sold to another company.
When we send out 5 million+ mailings, about 2000 TOS (terms of service) or Spamcop violations will come back. What most of these morons don't realize is, there's both a link and an email address they can send mail to to unsubscribe permanently and effectively from our lists.
This won't get you off other peoples' lists, but it will get you off ours. Currently, about a 1/4 of our customers actually have a timestamp and IP address telling us exactly when and where these addresses came from. I would expect in the near future that everybody will start doing this.
Now, this isn't so say that all people are nice. That's not to say that people don't troll web pages and people don't fake mail-from headers. It happens. But there's also a lot of promotional mail that YOU OPTED INTO whether you realize it or not.
What I'm saying is, before labeling every piece of mail that you get as spam, try unsubscribing. And yes, I know that some unsubscribe links are fake. What are you going to do? There are also fake breasts and fake watches. Will you spend the rest of your life wandering around as a confused virgin? (well.. maybe the wrong place to ask this)
So, in conclusion, I know how fashionable it is to love linux and hate companies that are "out to get us" like Microsoft and DoubleClick, but this article is inflammatory and causing a lot of stupid people to post a lot of stupid comments.
If you want to get out some angst, try:
http://www.postmastergeneral.com/
http://www.e-centives.com/corp/
http://www.messagemedia
Or, combining microsoft AND email:
http://www.bcentral.com/
And lots of other companies (like mine) that send lots of LEGAL, NON-SPAM, promotional email.
Sure there is. Unlike Linux, they have a massive marketing budget. Getting a windows cluster in an academic setting sounds like great PR, huh?
he kiddies get to keep downloading their MP3s and warez without that pesky space junk clogging their bandwidth.
Actually, it mentions in the article that the housing has their own 40 MBit connection, separate from the rest of the university.
yes, so it has easy development and useful utilities AND a great web interface, whereas windows and linux you need to pick and choose.
Personally, I run Windows 2k on my desktop to use ssh/smb on linux development machines.
Find a Mac programmer. They have no vested interest in the linux vs windows BS.
I agree.
If only chrisd's posts could be modded down...
from the first result off of google:
http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/3.html