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Apple's Response to Microsoft: Unix Ads?
flaneur writes "In light of Microsoft's recent anti-Unix ads and the end of the 5-year contract between Apple, it's pretty interesting that Apple is suddenly running print ads emphasizing the Unix core of Mac OS X. Under the headline 'Sends other UNIX boxes to /dev/null', the ads contain quotes from various journalists praising the OS. But the most interesting thing? There's no IE in the dock -- Netscape is shown instead! Hmmm..."
I love it!!
No kidding.
Hub
Apple has always stressed the Unix core to power users. They just stress that it is stable to less technical magazines.
This is nothing new
Since this site will probably die, and I wouldn't min seeing my site get more than two hits one day, I mirrored it here: http://stonedcow.com/unixad.jpg
Well thankfully microsoft's marketing department is too big to coordinate campaigns like that and while one part makes ads that say "unix sucks" they also promote their ties to apple... Either that, or they didnt realize that Mac OS X is Unix based...
If the ad had said "Sends other UNIX Boxen to /dev/null." I would have been sold.
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my biggest gripe with the powerbook is only having one damn mouse button. I mean i get annoyed if i only have two yet alone one. On a plus though once you know all the keyboard shortcuts it's not as annoying. but for being so famous for it's graphics premise how would someone work in maya with only one mouse button?
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Phil
Apple should begin a general phase-out of Microsoft apps......
It would be very nice to see a continually more progressive anti MS Apple in the future, but that is not possible. When will Apple just win the PC war? I mean, they DO have the superior computer....at least among BSD gurus, and Graphics people.
Please, this isn't a flame
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but not quite yet.
Until I can run it on the skeleton frame home-built computer sitting on my desk, without having to purchase a $1000 bubble, I won't be using it.
What would I like to see? Obviously, AMD Hammer support - on standard hardware. I'd buy that.
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The real question, why would Apple want to show a GUI on the mac that you could use instead of it's own?
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Apple has always survived by soliciting the fringe crowd. They recognize that average users are not interested in changing OSs, and certainly not to make a political statement. Instead, they have targeted users who actually need an alternative OS, and would like a slick, not too costly option. So for Graphic Artists etc, there is MacOS. Now for the Unix crowd, there is OSX.
Take not Linux advocates.
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... to the festering corpse of Sun.
UNIX is dying. In fact it may already be dead. Soon, Microsoft's salesmen will be unimpeded on their way to the boardroom.
You mean that an ad targetting Unix users isn't pushing IE but rather Netscape? It is showing the ability to run a full suite of software including Unix CLI, X11, Office, and other applications? They are showing 3 Microsoft products whose availability caters to everyone while also showing another company's icon... WOW! I'm shocked...
Sometimes the rubish shown here is impressive...
And stop trolling while you're ati it!
My other sig is extremely clever...
How dare Apple use Netscape in their ads when we all know they should be using Mozilla! Get with the program!
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kazaa running in the background, with a dozen downloads in progress
Anyone?
Maybe I'm just a bit too skeptical sometimes, but look at the right page -- doesn't it appear blurrier & darker than the left page? Perhaps it's the fault of the scanner...
Before OS-X I had to put up with the Apple power users talking about how great OS8/9/whatever was. Now I have to put up with them thinking they are unix power users....dear god...
sorry, but that quote just smacks of icky marketing ectoplasm targeted at wannabes with lots of disposable income.
and what up with the other guy: "...after two and a half years of linux, i've finally found joy in a unix operating system..." give me a break, this ad is so targeted at weenies.
need more proof? last quote "...we're old hardcore UNIX hackers..."
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I wonder why they used such a unixism (/dev/null) if this really is a response to the anti unix ads. It doesn't seem like one at all to me. Seems more like a "Unix is here to stay, so pick ours" ad. I guess as such a pro unix ad it can be seen as a response.
The first thing I noticed about the ad wasn't the contents of the dock or the advertising copy, it was the width of the page. I've never seen a commercial website require such a wide browser setting...and I'm sure that's because Apple knows that most Unix admins are using 21" CRTs.
I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
I WANT ONE!!
But I can't afford one!!!
Damn proprietary Hardware!
The only thing more cruel than linking to that image, is linking to it behind their load balancer... (www4.macnn.com)
Beep...Beep...Beep..............
It's a pretty good ad, and I hadn't noticed the lack of an IE icon until someone pointed it out. I suspect that may have something to do with Apple/Netscape goodwill rather than ill will toward Microsoft, especially considering that Microsoft Office v.X is so well promoted by the image. Recently Apple switched it's start page default over to a Netscape server, so there's obviously some sort of arrangement between the two of them.
The X icon is definitely a nice touch to push the BSD/Darwin underpinnings. I compiled and ran several X programs for my iBook a while ago, and with a rootless X server and the right windowmanager, it's a really nice combination.
I was hoping this might be an Apple thread that'd stay away from the lame "It's too expensive for me, hmph!" whining people with no sense of TCO seem to cry out, that gets debunked every single time.
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The ad doesn't mention anything about ditching microsoft. It doesn't even mention microsoft at all.
If it's bashing anything, its the other *nix distributions and their desktops.
I also liked one of the quotes they chose for the add: "... Unix inside and Mac outside" In this context, I'd like to see Intel trying to drag Apple (or ZDnet) into court for infringing upon their "Intel Inside" generic tradmark. :)
I liked the quote at the bottom right:
"Everything you expect to be there is there, and it works right."
What about the second mouse button? How about the wheel? Last time I checked, the tricked out Mac with crispy cinematic display at my local CompUSA still had a one-button mouse. I staggered as much by the impressive quality of the dislay as I was by the overt (egotistical?) omission of a multibutton wheel-mouse. Come to think of it, the mouse only had one button on every Mac I've ever had to use. I assume I am mistaken, and they do actually offer useful mice for Macs?
Apple realizes that it is converting UNIX engineers (like me) to the Mac platform with OS X. They're simply trying to get more UNIX folks to convert by placing ads in key technical publications
It is odd that IE isn't in the Dock, but the Microsoft Office X suite is well-represented in the Dock.
Apple has a valuable partnership with Microsoft. Sure, there's some rough edges, but for the most part it's a good team. Microsoft even formally announced that it will continue supporting the Mac, even after it's settlement contract expires.
Microsoft apps for the Mac aren't much like their Windows counterparts. They're generally more sensibly written, and the MacBU team seems to pay closer attention to what the user actually wants, instead of what Microsoft thinks they want.
A bigger question may be why they don't have any of the Omni Group's [goatse.cx] software in the Dock. In my humble opinion, Apple is paying too little attention to these people who've been around for years and years (think NeXT) developing great, solid applications.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
Did anyone else notice the process list? Microsoft is listed as a process...
perl -e 'printf("mmm %x\n", 3735928559)'
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One word: Optimize.
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Karma? Karma? I don't need no stinkin' karma.
This is a fine response to MS's recent "We have the way out" ad campaign (with a graphic that indicates you should jump out a window -- apt in many ways, but I digress).
The tone of the "Way out" is a whiny "UNIX is too hard" that perfectly matches the designed-by-Smurfs interface they're pushing with XP. It's nice to see Apple having the collective cajones to ante up and reply "Yeah, UNIX can be hard, but (a) it's worth it, (b) we've done it, and (c) it just *works.*"
Interestingly (to me) this is the software version of what I thought Apple was going to do before the iPod was announced. When Jobs said the new hardware item would be "revolutionary", I imagined an industrial 2-U rackmount dual-G4 server with an Apple logo laser-cut into a burly-he-man stainless steel faceplate. With remote Aqua/X admin tools. Now *that* would have been revolutionary for Apple. iPod... not so much. But here they're doing the equivalent serious production-geek-appeal with software. I especially like that X is shown in the dock. Now there's a finger in Bill's eye.
Jon
I think not...(*poof*)
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as i recall, i saw the "sends other unix boxes to /dev/null" ad for the powerbook inside the front cover in scientific american last month, so i wouldn't say they're that "new". so perhaps it was in anticipation of the end of the contract then, but not of the anti-unix campaign then.
Ok, so there is no IE ad, but not only are there three microsoft office applications on the dock and one running, but also, if you look at the output of top, you will see that Netscape is taking up 53% of the CPU!
Complete with Netscape taking up 53% of the CPU!
:)
Hehe, very nice
And showing the DVD of "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon". Nice! Also notice the featured laptop is running XDarwin, a sourceforge project, which Apple seemingly has embraced.
Apple had a contract with itself? Reminds me of a question posed by my high-school newspaper:
- What is the difference between an orange?
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I'd say that they're more aiming at other UNIX workstations; Sun boxes, mainly.
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It's a bit of a stretch that this is directed at the MS/Unisys "way out" ads. It's much more clearly directed at all other Unix's (including Linux) on the desktop.
Nobody else has mentioned that the top hard drive icon is the iPod, followed by a firewire drive.
Will it run a current version of GIMP? (Don't blame me, it's the dopey Cat got your tongue comment.)
M$ has for a long time been trying to get into the money/month department like AOL.
Of cause they don't like Linux/UNIX. Spyware and total control goes badly with open-source. We will see a lot of the like in the near future.
Apple on the other hand doesn't care. They are not really open-source. They have already a long outstanding record for smoking their developer base when ever it suits their purpose. Daystar comes to mind. Apple is always "almost" standard so of cause they want to ride the UNIX wave. Until it no longer suits their purpose.
Linux/BSD/OpenSource is still the only truly clean and private solution for those who cares about where our future goes.
I haven't looked at the online version, but I'm looking at a print copy right now, so maybe mine is more readable than yours. Scan down the list and peer through that translucent dock menu, though. Yep, that's right ... the next highest CPU usage is the Dock itself! Higher than top, even! Heh. I love my Mac...
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The tone of the "Way out" is a whiny "UNIX is too hard" that perfectly matches the designed-by-Smurfs interface they're pushing with XP.
When XP came out, people were falling all over themselves to point out how it was a rip off of OSX (and that Windows in general was a rip-off of MacOS. I take it that you think that OSX also fits in the designed-by-Smurfs category.
It's nice to see Apple having the collective cajones to ante up and reply "Yeah, UNIX can be hard, but (a) it's worth it, (b) we've done it, and (c) it just *works.*"
Their message is that UNIX is only usable with a designed-by-Smurfs UI tacked on to it.
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The ad is on the front cover of the new Scientific American (May, 2002), and in the terminal on the OS X desktop, there is a "Microsoft" (and an "Adobe Photoshop") process running. It's possible that the IE button is trademarked and would require permission for use in an ad.
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that saying "boxen" isn't funny at all, you nitwit.
Icons for the Office v.X programs Word, Excel and Powerpoint.
Not totally anti-Microsoft..
Mod this up..... It's funny AND sad.
"think of it as evolution in action"
I have the ad sitting on my desk right now. The magazine is from GameDeveloper, a monthly magazine with topics on game development.
I must say I was quite surprised when I first saw it too. Interesting choice of icons on the Dock, including the X Window System.
So, no anti-MS conspiracy here; it's just the desktop of an actual user.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
on the other hand, though, I wonder if you have to renice M$ software down to get back to the performance Windoze users are used to...?
so, what's the thought behing the ads here? diehard Mac addicts will think, "M$ hates Unix, therefore Unix is good, and therefore Mac is awesome since they embrace Unix..."?
Or maybe, "Open Source is good, Linux is Open Source, OS X is better than Linux, therefore Mac rocks..."?
mmm... yeah... You see, we're putting the cover sheets on all TPS reports now before they go out...
It's behind the front cover of the latest issue of 'Scientific American', people... Walk over to your local newsstand or library and get some sun (the big, bright thing in the sky) while your at it.
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"The real question, why would Apple want to show a GUI on the mac that you could use instead of it's own?"
Run it in rootless and it runs side-by-side with Aqua.
Here is why they would show it and I use it:
I can ssh into our local Math/Comp Sci cluster, load up xemacs on my laptop, and work remotely using XWindows applications.
Using OroborOSX I even get an Aqua appearance to the windows!
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
Well, the latest wave of junk got me started on a banner system for the right stuff. Have just begun working on it. Mostly for fun I must admit. (says the guy who thinks it's more fun to play with PHP than watching TV).
Anyway isn't it the problem with most UNIX or open source stuff, if't it's not Linux, people will never hear of it in news etc. because "normal" people wouldn't understand. And the nature of it all with little or no money involved, advertising is not something you do. Most would think, why should we, it's a great product, we don't need it. But haven't we seen poor products win over good because of proper advertising. I mean when you say wordprocessing, everyone with a pc(/. crowd excluded) would think of "Microsoft Word" etc.
oh and, please go easy on me, it is just all in good fun.:)
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the icons in the dock are spelling out "W XP ON X"
I can only assume that Internet Explorer is now fully integrated with Finder. The existence of a separate IE in Mac was always a liability in the DOJ case. :-)
From my new Powerbook, over the weekend, I:
;).
Played more Icewind Dale
Used Gimp to make a new banner (with Xdarwin)
Used BBedit to edit a Perl script, then to write a review of Icewind Dale
Ran an old OS 9 Groupwise program to connect to my Day Job mail.
Used MS Word to view some work documents.
Ran a perlscript to edit some 200 pictures with ImageMagick.
Surfed the web/checked email with Mozilla.
Wirelessly connected to my internal network and my Linux server/router and out to the Internet.
Used SSH to tweak some setttings on some Linux boxes.
Used Virtual PC to run Win98 so I could run my Sharkport program to save my Metal Gear Solid 2 saved games from the Playstation 2 to my Mac HDD.
Got pictures of my daughter's birthday party from the camera to the Web for the fam'.
Played music with iTunes (Final Fantasy Pray rocks.).
And most of this was running at the same time, with all the stability of my old Linux box, easier than Windows - so simple that my wife, who hates computers, started messing with the laptop (after I gave her her own account so she wouldn't see my Tifa Lockheart porn).
I've used Windows for over a decade, Linux for 3 years, and a Mac for 3 months. Out of them all, OS X is the best out of the lot.
PS: Before you ask, Apple hasn't paid me $0.01 for this. Though I wish...Where's the game payola, guys
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Who uses Sun boxes as workstations?
I'm on one now, using Netscape on wmaker. I'm
trying to convince the administration to give
me a G4 instead. At least they don't have me
stuck on that Win2k box anymore. Yech!
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Even Sun was (is?) selling an ATX board with their chips and so forth on them.
I understand Apple not wanting to lose too much control by porting the OS to run on AMD chips.
It seems to me, however, that they could sell an ATX board with onboard PPC that would work with any standard "beige" case. It could be a naked PowerMac and they could even charge a premium - say $400 for the board? - and open their market even more.
Just a thought.
It's interesting to note what the sources of the quotes surrounding the PowerBook are. Three of them are from people working in the life sciences or associated fields (one guy from the Brain Mapping Centre at UCLA, another one from the genetics department at Stanford, and the third from a cheminformatics company). Even Tim O'Reilly is showing an interest in the life sciences computing market these days (another person who is quoted in the ad) by publishing a series of books about bioinformatics.
Apples have long been used in educational and research settings, but over the last few years, Linux workstations have becoming more and more frequent (especially in light of the need for everyday labs working in genomics and proteomics to be paying more attention to their data generation and analysis). I wonder if Apple is recognising this and specifically targeting people working in bioinformatics and life science research to try and win them back to their 'traditional' platform?
Apple is always "almost" standard so of cause they want to ride the UNIX wave. Until it no longer suits their purpose.
that was a pretty absurd comment. you dont just build an entire 1.0 operating system for yourself because UNIX is trendy. obviously they are looking to get another 20 years of performance out of this new system, and using UNIX as the base is a pretty darn good start.
You need to fucking relax. The guy was just pointing out something he thought was neat.
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
You cannot even use iTools with OmniWeb, because "We don't support your current browser.".
Do I have to mention that it works smoothly if you switch OmniWeb's identity to some MSoft-Products?
Is this very bad style, apple?
OS X can certainly be fixed up to be as good, mostly, but out of the box, most Linux distributions win:
No bash on OS X
No Vim
Terminal program is nowhere near as good as the KDE terminal program
That's not a complete list, of course. Basically, what I've found is that if I sit down and try to use OS X to develop Unix programs, I run into lots of little things where it is just not as good as Linux.
If I had to have exactly one computer, and if Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot did not exist (their existence makes this no contest...I'd pick Windows), it would be a Mac with OS X, because the combination of an acceptable Unix plus mainstream commercial apps, and a very nice administrative interface for those things I'm not expert enough in to configure by hand, makes it a great system.
Oh, and the development tools and environment are certainly a big plus for OS X. With Interface Builder and Project Builder, using Carbon or Cocoa, it is easy to whip out an application that consists of a nice GUI front end and a traditional command-line stdin/stdout Unix program on the backend.
Yes, you can do this on Linux, using something like Perl/Tk, but when you do it on OS X, you get a great looking interface. Perl/Tk is one of those things we like in spite of its looks.
Comparing Unix with MAC is like comparing Apples and ora.. oh.. wait. Apple.
I've always enjoyed using Unix for its reliability. When Apple make an OS that doesn't need rebooting 5 times a day then they might get a few more converts from other Unices. Well, that's my experience with 10.1.3 on a PowerBook. As it is my PowerBook is OK to use as a toy but for the heavy duty kind of use that I usually put Unix workstations to I'll keep well away.
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A bigger question may be why they don't have any of the Omni Group's [omnigroup.com] [goatse.cx] software in the Dock.
And this is +4 informative, how?
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Hm.. I'd have to debate Apples claim that their UNIX based OS sits as king of the hill..
Coincidentally enough, I had to unbox a brand new Titanium iBook and just run the initial setup for a department at the college I work at..
Pretty straight forward enough.. unboxed, plugged in, "insert restore discs 1-->3" and off you go.
MacOSX looked nice enough.. so on first boot, I thought I would try out the Apple DVD player. Plopped in a DVD, waited a few seconds, and got a message "This application has terminated unexpectedly" or some crap.. oh.. great. If I had just paid for that iBook instead of going for an unreliable Windows machine I would be pretty peeved - is that the sign of things to come?
To re-iterate my point.. I dont think a UNIX OS as young as MacOS X (and yes, I know its based off NextStep, but so much has been added since then) can compete in the speed and reliability market, alongside such kings as Sun and SGI.
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
Especially considering the lead time on print ads, hell, this ad was probably prepared before they officially launched the new "Pixar" iMac.
They may have had the way in.
Just not any more.
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Does OS X even have a notion of /dev/null?
Probably depends on what filesystem your current
working directory is...
personally, (and i realize i may get my pants flamed off for this) i actually prefer IE to Netscape. i use IE as my main browser, and i've tried everything from Opera to Omniweb and all inbetween. and i actually have all of them currently installed, and switch back and forth a bit... i've even got straight up Mozilla installed, as well as Netscape 6.2.2. anyway, my feelings are that as soon as Netscape gets its act together and is more conscientious about its program, i might start using it. but right now, IE is a lot more stable, and easier to use (for me).
one thing i particularly like about IE is the way they handle bookmarks (favorites, whatever)... maybe it's just me. eh... it's all a matter of preference anyway. but i sure hope Apple isn't gonna ditch IE now... and actually, i really hope MS doesn't ditch us either... Office X is actually a program i like... esp. Entrourage.
oh heck... i've sold out... AAHHHHH!!!!!
No, it's not. I don't know why the poster manually put that name in his post, though.
Windows 1.0 was released in November, 1985.
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If MS has takes real exception with this we will know soon enough becasue there will be swift and terrible retribution as soon as the ink dries on the DOJ "settlement".
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I've posted a fast mirror that shouldn't have any bandwidth or server problems.
http://www.stanford.edu/~katokop1/unixad.jpg
Wow, we slashdotted one of the major Mac news sites. Just for kicks, can we try Maccentral while we're at it? Then we could just sit back and wait for the /. posts about the big anti-Apple conspiracy.
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You know that over 80% of the Mac users are running IE just for web compatability... who cares what they show in the dock honestly... they could have a picture of jesus on the screen but that doesn't make it holy.
Wow, I remembered in the first MS trial it was mentioned that way back when MS threatend the removal of office from Mac if they didn't put IE on the desktop. This is what created the contract I believe. Sounds like Apple is saying.. SO we will remove IE, unless you make a Mac version of office, apple pulling the other side of the same tug rope. Great Stuff!
"boxen" is a gay wanna-be admin term. The same kind of cutesy crap like using "fsck" instead of the word "fuck". 99.9% of the faggots that use these terms have never had the root password for anything other than their home redhat "boxen".
Fuck You.
Or, they didn't build a 1.0 OS -- they were desperate, so they bought a version 4.2 OS that just so happened to have Unix included.
Unix compatibility was never on the list for any of Apple's inhouse attempts.
If you bothered to take a good look, you'd notice that the absence of IE is made up for by the presence of icons for Word, Excel and Powerpoint.
Sheesh...
-dave
This is not a sig. this is a duck. quack.
...with my powermac 7300/200 with debian running, browsing with Links wishing i had an ibook with os x.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Once again, Microsoft's marketing minions are hard at work, spending MILLIONS of dollars on their so-called "way out".
I think I am up to $40 now (no, i didn't leave off 5 or 6 zero's)
Please, check out my "Microsoft" site at www.wehadthewayout.com. I really hope to be a thorn i Microsoft's side - and if I can help out the Apple folks as well, then that is cool too!
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Emacs is superior. It only takes 30 months to learn it. ;-P
which is also sad. It was ALSO commented in the MacNN forum earlier this morning.
First of all... it's a Trackpad, not a mouse. Second of all, MacOS has always been an OS that was designed for a single button mouse. Windows and *nix users tend to forget this. Apple was the first computer company to ship a mouse GUI for consumers. Macs came with a one button mouse in 1984, and they still do today. Most of the basic GUI features that make a Mac a Mac still exist and therefore still allow a one button mouse to be somewhat practical for many consumers.
;). However there is a slew of consumers out there that would rather shoot up to a desktop menubar then have to right-click on desktop icons and whatnot.
;)).
One of the main things that sets MacOS apart from most other OSes is the existance of a global menu bar that hovers on the top of the monitor. This menu bar stores many common tasks that most other OSes store in "right-clicked" contextual menus.
No, doubt, I do find contextual menus much faster... and I actully own a 5 button mouse
All in all, there's actully a ton of variouse GUI features that make single button mousing possible on MacOS and a freek'n pain in the butt on other operating systems. But, hey, if you don't want a one button mouse you don't have to use one. MacOS X fully supports just about any USB mouse you can pick up at compUSA... go get one. Last I checked mice cost about the same as eating at TacoBell (yuck
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Please try to learn at least the native tongue, eh?
One day I was watching tv, and I stumbled on a commercial running at the *exact* same time* on two channels: Fox and Univision (spanish channel)... So the commerical looked like this: there was a baby sitting in a high chair on the kitchen faceing the camera, and people doing things in the kitchen ... An anouncer was giving some information about some baby care program.
On fox -- the baby and the babies family were white -- on univision -- the baby and the babies family were mexican. Exact same commercial! It was on the same set, and the movements of the actors were exactly the same, it was like staring at some weird alternate universe.
Whats even stranger is there was no reason they *had* to do that because there was no dialogue except that of the announcer -- which could have easily been overdubbed ...
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but I admit - if you are not a professional software engineer and you just look for fancy easy-to-install whistles - Mac OS X is the best choice still leaving open for you the road into Unix world.
I've used Windows for over a decade, Linux for 3 years, and a Mac for 3 months. Out of them all, OS X is the best out of the lot.
I can't believe - having 3 Linux years you still enojoy whistles already 3 months? Seems like 10 years of Windows really poisened you a lot. I remember that "over decade" ago Windows was very ... poisoning :)
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MS/Unisys were advertising the alleged superiority of their offering over Big Iron Unix servers and talking about how Unix sucked, etc.
Apple, on the other hand is placing an ad about how their Desktop box with Unix on it is so much cooler than other Unix (desktop) boxes.
The two are not even vaguely related.
<conspiracy theory>Is this just an attempt by slashdot editors to generate hits by including a gratuitous microsoft reference in an article?</conspiracy theory>
As far as the Netscape icon is concerned, I think they are making the excellent point that OS X is Unix (with the shell command and netscape) while at the same time being able to run MS Office. This is also reflected in one of the comments which said that the single machine was now able to replace three machines which were used for research, coding and writing.
Mmmm.. Donuts
Translators All well and good until you have something like formulas... I have yet to find a translator that handles them well. Abiword, AppleWorks, whatever. Being a science person, loosing the formulas is a deal killer.
Also, I wish there weren't so many different installers used by various apps. The standard one you get with Apple's development environment is nice in that it allows normal users to temporarily acquire admin privileges by entering a user/password. They all should do this, but I find myself logging out completely and logging back in as admin just to install some software.
Along these lines, it would also be nice to have an easier way to start gui apps as an admin - sort of a graphical sudo. Of course I can do something like sudo open /path/to/Finder.app or whatever but it's a pain.
Well, those are my completely non-expert opinions. Take them with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully Apple will improve on them in 10.2, along with some of the other issues I've noticed. Even so, I love this OS and I'm very excited to see how much better it can get!
Say hello to zMac.
u obviously have never heard of Quartz/Aqua. you don't like X? fine. then go back to your clubhouse with the other wintel drones. obviously u don't understand the point of being able to run X apps. where have u been? under a rock? at ITT all day? probably both.
Unix (and Windows) users don't tend to forget it - they are trying to make their choice - now back into N-button mouse. Today their choice is between old-fashion 3-button mouse or new cordless animal with optical ball, 5-buttons, and wheel.
By the way, Mac OS X works perfectly with new animals.
Old GUI was based on new (at that time) element - point. Old Web was based on new (that time) element - click. Today both GUI and Web are full of realtime complex applications. People already think about gloves to interact in such environment . They have fingers and other bones and they want to use them at last! That's why they appreciate to see one-button animals only in musiums. Like Apple stores :)
Just because I'm curious:
I've heard in a few places that OSX doesn't allow the customization that OS9 does, and you say the OSX Finder is missing functionality... Can you explain this? OS9 seems rigid, inflexible, and it's been a pain in the ass to make even slightly usable - OSX has been perfectly sane for me. What are they missing (that I'm missing too)?
Tx...
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When you start IE on Mac OS X for the first time, your homepage is set to livepage.apple.com which used to go to Excite. But now it goes to Netscape.
And there in the corner is a big ole fancy come-on to download Netscape 6.2. I don't doubt for a minute that the agreement for hosting livepage.apple.com between Netscape and Apple included showing the Netscape browser in Apple ads.
I get such a kick out of seeing IE point to a Netscape page, that I kept it as my homepage on IE (since I use Mozilla for almost all my surfing).
My father is a blogger.
Actually Mac OS X has built in support for two button mice and scrollwheels.
1. My finger slips while selecting something from the GUI and I quickly select two things in a row (or something like that). GUI locks up.
2. Closing and reopening the case. Not long after a reboot it comes back instantly. After an hour or two it takes between 20 seconds and never coming back. Frequently never comes back if I leave the PowerBook on but unattended - I guess because it goes into standby mode and has the same problem.
3. I've had one kernel panic for absolutely no apparent reason.
4. I've had to reboot because it denied I had an Airport card. (I do!) It mysteriously was there on reboot.
5. Getting a DVD or CD back out often entails a reboot. Frequently the Finder or the OS simply fails to notice a disk has been inserted (this is a frequently reported issue on may web sites). And last time I tried playing a VOB file from HD (which the latest DVD player says it can do) it completely locked the machine up.
Lots of dumb things can lock it up too. I wanted to use pppoe. Accidentally I had the modem selected in the Internet Connection dialogue when I asked it to make a connection. I immediately changed to ethernet and tried to make a connection. I guess the shock of making a ppp connection through two different devices simultaneously was too much of a shock for the system. Anyway - it locked up of course. Another dumb thing that can make it lock up is launching an application during a software update. I'm not so worried about these latter problems but I'm still not impressed.
It's one crash after another for a wide variety of reasons.
The only thing I can think of is the Microsoft Intellimouse drivers. Maybe some stuff (point 2 I'm hoping) will improve now I've removed them...
-- SIGFPE
And sometimes it's impressive when people misspell "rubbish"...
I have pretty much replaced the need for MS Office with OpenOffice, under Linux, at work. I can still communicate with fellow workers when they send me MS Word files or Excel documents. OpenOffice has been a great MS Office replacement/upgrade.
Does OpenOffice compile and work under OSX? With Netscape 6.*/Mozilla and OpenOffice, I don't see why Apple couldn't break completely free from MS apps.
And then you'll understand why nobody is really interested in porting it. There's millions upon millions of lines of messy undocumented code (Okay, there are *some* comments. Did I mention that they are all in german?) and according to a KDE developer quoted in an Linux and Main article the OpenOffice Word filter "is full of black magic values and voodoo programming that even [the OpenOffice developers] don't understand." Download the tarball, unzip, and then you will understand all.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
With respect to the dock.. is this marketing getting a little subversive or what?
After the arrangement of default icons, you have MS Office, an icon I've not seen before that looks like it could resemble an O, Netscape, and XFree86 for Darwin.
The Microsoft Office icons are for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.. is it just me, or is letter arrangement a fine art afterall?
W X P (o) N X
?!
-CM
What Apple is really saying is that MacOS gives you the ability to run Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) on top of a UNIX core environment. But, is that a good thing? The answer is easy enough to obtain if we ask ourselves, with due humility, What ld Jesus Do? Oops, sorry -- wrong church. I mean, what would our leaders have to say about it? Well, my prayers to the Gods of Freenix were answered and what follows are (approximately) the words I heard in the vision with which I was rewarded for my Faith:
RMS:
WRS:
ESR:
CmdrTaco:
[Yeah, I know WRS is dead, but this was a vision, see?]
your argument would carry just a tiny little bit more weight if you'd learn how the spell the word "museum"
I did some Google for a while, but came up with a lot of dead ends. Anyone know where I can find precompiled EMACS 21.1 for Aqua OR XFree86?
The reason "out of the box" is important, is that is the configuration that is easiest to maintain.
Yes, I can add bash and vim and a better terminal to OS X, but then, if a security update is needed to, say, bash, I have to track it down and apply it. It won't be found by Apple's software update.
With my Linux system, any necessary bash update will be found and applied automatically, because I use Red Hat Network.
Beacause it's funny?
Humor: it's worth your time.
You have officially qualified as a bastard.
Buy a 47-button mouse, plug it in, and quit bitching. You don't even have to install drivers.
% ls
bpf0 disk0s1 klog ptyp3 ptypa ptyq1 ptyq8 ptyqf rdisk0s5 ttyp0 ttyp7 ttype ttyq5 ttyqc
bpf1 disk0s2 kmem ptyp4 ptypb ptyq2 ptyq9 random rdisk1 ttyp1 ttyp8 ttypf ttyq6 ttyqd
bpf2 disk0s3 mem ptyp5 ptypc ptyq3 ptyqa rdisk0 stderr ttyp2 ttyp9 ttyq0 ttyq7 ttyqe
bpf3 disk0s4 null ptyp6 ptypd ptyq4 ptyqb rdisk0s1 stdin ttyp3 ttypa ttyq1 ttyq8 ttyqf
console disk0s5 ptyp0 ptyp7 ptype ptyq5 ptyqc rdisk0s2 stdout ttyp4 ttypb ttyq2 ttyq9 urandom
cu.modem disk1 ptyp1 ptyp8 ptypf ptyq6 ptyqd rdisk0s3 tty ttyp5 ttypc ttyq3 ttyqa zero
disk0 fd ptyp2 ptyp9 ptyq0 ptyq7 ptyqe rdisk0s4 tty.modem ttyp6 ttypd ttyq4 ttyqb
%
Is it just me or does the dock spell the initals of the one whose name should not be spoken?
Doesn't the Open Group or something like that own the trademark UNIX? What about companies, like IBM and SGI, who pay money to them to have their systems considered UNIX to now have Apple calling their's UNIX? Seems like it degrades the trademark.
"... who cares about where our future goes."
Get real. Apple has achieved what the Linux community has been failing to do forever: that ever elusive easy-to-use "future". OS X has done UNIX a huge favor by revamping its image. UNIX is now not only acceptable on the desktop, but cool. The Linux community would do well in riding the wave OS X has created by pushing Linux as a cheaper alternative. Let people know they can have the stability of UNIX and the usability of OS X without the hefty price tag.
Of course, first there needs to be an easy-to-use and attractive version of Linux. Good luck.
The link points to the right place. I have no idea why the guy put [goatse.cx] in his post, though...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
IE is an integral part of MS Windows. There is *no* way to seperate IE and Windows.
geez.
I'm not really intending to "defend" linux, I think OSX deserves props for finally bringing unix with a nice front-end on it to the general populace (something all the linux vendors seemed to fail to do for years). But as another pointed out OSX is actually just the latest version of NextStep.
Anyhow, many of your points are due to two things -- 1. OSX like all mac os's only runs on a limited set of hardware, this makes things TONS easier, especially in installation. 2. Linux have NEVER been widely shipped pre-installed. All those things you worry about you laptop not doing and "Top-end hardware support" would pretty much work with a preinstalled, properly system integrated Linux.
I just had an idea. Some linux vendor should start selling boxes with simpler linux distribution pre-installed, with KDE, all the extra crap stripped out with their own picked PC hardware. At least this would give people something to compare fairly against Windows and Mac. Breaking into the PC market by installing on existing machines is just nearly suicide due to the insane variety of hardware.
Of course the strength of the PC is the commodity hardware keeping prices down and avoiding dependency on single vendors.
Hmmm.
I've worked sans office for 4.5 years now, which has been at times challenging since my work has always required Office compatibility. Open office only suffices for the very simplest of Office documents. As soon as you throw in a few pictures, some columns, tables, text effects, footnotes, or any of another hundred commonly used formatting tools, Open Office makes a garden frittata out of your *.doc files.
/.'ers WANT the extra machine on their desks). But apple's always been kinda silly by making some of their most important messages nearly imperceptible.
A big part of Apple's OSX message is "Unix with Office." And for a lot of people, that's a huge development, as it means one less computer in their offices (ok, a lot of
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
Who is WRS? Sounds like my kind of computer users.
That it doesn't say that is because apple is trying to also market OS X to the home user. By using simple everyday terms, Apple can accoplish that. They already push the reasoning skill limits of an average american with the /dev/nul.
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Damnit! Learn to use your powerbook the correct way. You have 2 hands, and I have never come across a situation where I've had to type and click at the same time, therefore, use the one free hand to hold down the control button and the other hand to work the track pad. Exercise both hands! And if your one hand happens to be busy cause you're looking at prOn, well, then just tone down the click and hold delay.
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
I am a computer tech and I am teaching myself coding, I firmly believe that unix isn't dead!! I plus a lot of times it's better then windows!! If they made it more easily configuriable it would be doing a lot better then windows!!
some have hopes and dreams, others have wings and means!! the rest of have it all!!
Virtual PC does support Linux. VPC is a hardware platform emulator. You install Windows, if you choose to. You can also install RedHatLinux, debian linux, slackware linux, BSD, Solaris x86, OS/2, and pretty much anything else that will install on a given Intel-based stack of hardware. (With the exception of BeOS, I seem to recall, and I'm not sure why it was described as "won't install").
Quoth the ad: ...After two-and-a-half years of Linux, I've finally found joy in a UNIX operating system. And I found it when I purchased a Macintosh -- the first one I've ever owned...
Yea, and with the UNIX-scale number of open public services on the system... And a brand-new re-wrap of the OS... Well, insert favorite link to security hole here. Mac OS X is certainly responsible for the first dozen macs I've ever 0wn3d...
// zyqqh
LaTeX?
Its XDarwin from www.xdarwin.org
This is unintentional irony at its finest.
Random bsd-layer application coredumps are not normal behavior under OSX, and the number of complete system crashes/lockups you describe are way above the average that I've observed. I would wager any amount of beer that you have a hardware problem.
The ironic part: odds are very high that you have a memory parity error happening. Unfortunately, one of the reasons that those SGIs cost 5X as much as a PowerMac is that they support ECC memory, and can thus recover a bit more gracefully from such errors.
Swap out your DIMMs with registered CL2 sticks from Mushkin, Kingston or Crucial, and I suspect you'll be suitably impressed by the results. (Also, check and make certain that the CPU and case fans are operating at their indicated voltage and RPM...)
Insightful comments otherwise, btw.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
Would you geeks give it a rest? Microsoft is running things now. Unix is a legacy system.
== hard cider. Mmmmmmmmm.....cider...
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
Well... except for maybe A/UX.
Dumbass.
Is it my imagination, or is the layout of the MS icons on the dock an ad for MS's flagship Win XP.
What better way to advertise than through subliminal advertising on your competitors OS ad screen shots.
While Quartz (Aqua?) gives me a nice GUI,
Aqua is the GUI with all the eye-candy. Quartz is the underlying display engine that allows for native PDF, etc.
Just an FYI.
Slashdot comments... splitting hairs since 1997.
To be brutally honest about it, the lack of Matlab is probably costing Apple tens of thousands of lost sales per year (really! I seriously do mean it!). If Apple is serious about selling the new Macs to technical users, they really, truly are going to have to do something about the complete lack of Matlab. Heck, it might even be worth it for them to jump into Octave development with both feet and bring *that* up to speed. R is wonderful, Mathematica is beautiful, but when you have to use Matlab, there really is no substitute. :-(
Babar
And you need to get a grip on reality and recognize the high-stakes game being played here, particularly with the poor economy we are faced with. You and the original poster seem to have completely underestimated the wile of Apple Computer's PR department. With the /. posting, I would say Apple got its money's worth!
LaTeX?
LaTeX is all well and good if:
1) You know LaTeX.
2) The person who's recieving your latex knows latex.
Otherwise, you use MSOffice, or Corel WordPerfect (If you learned before about 1996)
God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
>Of course, first there needs to be an easy-to-use >and attractive version of Linux. Good luck.
Hey, it's been here for a while and it's called Mandrake.
You're Just Jealous Because The Voices Are Talking To Me.
You really believe it comes close to the usability of OS X? That might be the problem, people with technical knowledge like yourself have no idea what it means to be an "average user".
I first saw this ad in the inside cover of the latest edition of *Scientific American*. After sealing my geek fate by laughing at the tag line (and then having to explain to my wife why it was funny), I realized that it's one of the few times that Apple has actually placed an ad suggesting that the Mac is technologically superior in a place where the readers might care.
"This new OS has accomplished in a short period of time what other have struggled to do for years: bring a compelling widely accepted GUI (called Aqua) to UNIX."
Someone might like to inform Tim O'Reilly that it took Apple years to do the same thing. (And even longer if you add in the Next's development time.)
I, too , was perturbed at the seeming slowness of the OS X Terminal. I found that if you bump up the Keyboard repeat settings under the System Preferences, that this takes away all of the slowness UNIX lovers hate.
Well, it's partially good, but "Sends other UNIX boxes to /dev/null" - give me a break, you're killing me!! haha!!
In response, Scott Hess created a little program called Stuart.app, which was basically a drop-in Terminal.app replacement. Stuart was so popular that eventually NeXT just contracted with Scott to create a souped-up version of Terminal for NeXTSTEP. Which he did. Then after NeXTSTEP 2.1 (or whatever the version was) was released, he turned around and released an even better version of Stuart.
Scott then went on to create one of the coolest NeXTSTEP applications ever: TickleServices. This was an application that let you create TCL scripts which registered themselves in the NeXTSTEP Services menu (what's now the Services submenu of the application's menu). This automagically extended all NeXTSTEP apps with some very handy scripting facilities. I wonder if it can be recompiled of OS X, and a language like scheme or python...
The current MacOS X Terminal.app program appears to be essentially a recompilation of the NeXTSTEP 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x Terminal.app program. No doubt someone could write yet another replacement application and blow it out of the water -- until Apple works with the author to encorporate it into the next version of the OS. I wonder what Scott Hess is doing nowadays...
Nice to know that netscape6 is a hog on macOS X as well. CPU 53%
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
They should be emphaisising it, you can run bloody netscrape on almost any nix box.
i dont see it at best buy, actually i dont see macs either.
That is in the future going to be the biggest
obstacle for linux
Top-end hardware support. Bluetooth, firewire, CD-RW, DVD, etc etc. It's all built in to a point that you don't even think about using it. You can burn a CD by drag-and-drop from the desktop for crissake.
I just gotta know... what do you use bluetooth for?
The ad is clearly aimed squarely at every other UNIX-like operating system out there. There's no mention of Microsoft -- hell, the ad even features three prominently-placed Microsoft icons in the system's dock.
Yet Another Stroke of Retardation from slashdot...
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
your ass is the only boxen around here.
I love how the third comment down on the left is our very own Dark Paladin. =)
± 29 dB
Heh, this is the first time I've ever felt a tinge of competitiveness with my operating system. Microsoft just makes me mad (even though I expunged MS from my machine years ago, there's always tech support for friends and family). But Apple is now saying "Okay, we see why you like Unix so much, now we're going to up the ante." It's a great feeling.
Imagine you were a soccer player on a good team. It's fun to play against another good team, with both teams believing they've got what it takes. That's how this add makes me feel. Microsoft, on the other hand, reminds me of an awful game against the foul-mouthed and dirty-playing U14 River City Steelers, refereed by two players from the foul-mouthed and dirty-playing U16 River City Steelers (we lost that game, and many of us were hurt badly -- the next game, with regular referees, we shut them out).
-Paul Komarek
That would be OpenBSD's slogan.
...an anti linux ad. makes you wonder why ms still cuddles up next to apple even though their five year monster agreement nears its end.
but, let's face it: linux / X11 / 'insert any desktop manager here' is not as nice a osx. it's free though, and that's why i keep on using it (that and the fact that osx doesn't run on an i386 arch).
Too bad even Tim O’Reilly says Aqua’s “widely accepted” it’s accepted only in Mac OS, because it’s proprietary to Apple and not compatible with the real standard, the X Window System. It is this kind of attitude that validates proprietary systems like Wintel or the Mac.
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA
DA, DBA, SysAdmin, Data Modeller
GNU Project, Debian GNU/Lin
I don't know about you but any advertising can not cure the fact that a 450 G4 TiPB , 250 RAM barely can be used with MacOSX.
"...and running them faster" It really takes a SGI 10 minutes to boot, 2 minutes to open a dialer, and 1 minute to open a browser? 4 minutes for Photoshop?
I have seend some good performance only on G4 800, doesn't this really sounds bad enough. The system really looks nice and user-friendly but please do something about the performance.
I am still not giving my 1 Ghz Athlon for this. Sorry.
5 things: Word,
Excel,
Powerpoint,
IE,
Photoshop
well crossover office from codeweavers cuts your list down to pretty much two things.
and you seriously want to use IE...can you say "fight clicking the popups"?...and it also runs under wine if you want to have the hassle of it crashing all the time
Now I do?t know about photoshop but gimp/ImageMagick do a good job for me.
so there, if you want to use all that, you can (just the question whether you'd really want to)
I for one live about 7000 miles away from the closest newstand to stock Scientific American, so I'm quite happy to have found it on the web.
I think this ad is targeting the users of the other commercial Unix boxen, eg. Solaris. Mac OS X can't really compete with Linux because it's not free and not as open. For those who don't care about the above, Mac OS X comes out on top. I think they're trying to grab the Unix workstation market.
I'd like to like Apple, really. When the new iMac came out, I thought I might get one and use it as a dual-boot (with Linux), moving away from the PC platform. But after checking out various Macs (iMacs, iBooks of various processor speeds), I came away mystified (and put off) by just how slow they are to launch apps. Say, to launch Adobe Acrobat Reader. The Macs I tried were slower than the Linux boxes I have, slower than Win98 and WinNT, and about comparable to my experience of waiting on Solaris to launch Netscape. It's 2002, and maybe I'm spoiled, but I really don't expect to stare at the monitor waiting seconds for something to happen after I've clicked an icon! Sorry, Apple, I'm going to pass.
Don't forget SuSE, if Mandrake's little penguins are too cutesy for you.
It's nice to know the manure spreaders at One Infinite Loop are working overtime.
The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected. -- Will Rogers
Has anyone been able to get Netscape to work on the mac? I have been trying for two weeks. I can look at web pages but I can't print or launch apps
from the browser.
i dig the quotes, and the fact that about .005% of mac users will know what the hell /dev/null is (and i'll bet no small number will try to find out by sending stuff there. fun!)
what makes me smirk, though, is the screenshot on the powerbook. for one, the dock is full of MS Office icons - whoa, lots of unix there. the ever disappointing terminal is open (i replaced Terminal.app on my ibook with one that isn't dog slow, GLterm) and showing the "top" command.
let's see what's in there.. yep, as usual, top is taking top spot.
and what else is on the screen, showing the power of UNIX in a candy-coated Mac shell? iTunes! and lookee here, PowerPoint! i know those are both UNIX apps. i run them on my Solaris box all the time...
top is showing apache in there (on a powerbook? why is that enabled?), and netscape 6 (tho, why not mozilla?) and the X icon is in the dock, but there's no windows to be seen. There's one terminal open, yet i see 2 tcsh processes.. maybe X is using one?
i'm all about Apple advertising their UNIX underpinnings, but i have to think they could have done a better job showing it off. like in the old days when my favorite way of showing somebody the powerPC (smokin' at 100 MHz!) in my new 8100 was so dang fast - the graphing calculator. oh yeah. rotating trig functions in 3D with the apple logo mapped onto the surface.
okay, i'm rambling now.
- Entertaining Bits from the Ancient Kernel Tree
Some people get this point confused: while X11 is definitely
Maybe that's what threw you at first?
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
... but Powerpoint is running. So much for silly conspiracies.
If you look closely you will notice that the netscape icon is the one you see under X-Windows and the Unix versions. Most likely it is running on another unix machine and being remote displayed to the Mac which is running XFree86 (note the red icon next to the Netscape icon). My guess is they were trying to show that you can also remote display apps from your current unix machines to the Mac. Given that you can run X-Windows in rootless mode right alongside Aqua, this is a major plus and something they should have focused more on the ad rather than leaving all users to figure it out by noting the Netscape icon next to the XFree86 icon.
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
Hey man, virginity is far under-rated in this country!
You have a 100% chance of falling in complete and utter love with the chick you lose your virginity to. I would imagine that if more people waited, and actually gave it up on their wedding night there would be a lot less divorces.
The Apache-Jakrta POI project releases Java utilities to read not only the "Horrible Document Format (HDF)", but also the "Horrible Spreadsheet Format (HSSF)" and the "Horrible Property Set Format (HPSF)".
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/index.html
AT&T Unix made AT&T a computer giant [Remembering of course AT&T was THE phone company so they had quite a bit behind them...
So all they needed was a good os (Unix) half way decent computer (The 3Bs) and they are golden..
Even giving Unix away AT&T had the money from the phone industry to role over anybody]
Early 1990s AT&T took over NEC and NEC became AT&Ts hardware side..
What did NEC make? The first high end Windows NT boxes.. using high end RISC..
It was a big marketting campaign and everything..
AT&T dropped out of the computer industry and let go of NEC to recover the losses..
Sun a small little company making low end Unix boxes for Berkly went commertal to sell high end desk tops.. or low end servers.. depending on your prespective.
A supped up 386 using a Unix clone called SunOS. Free of the limits of the PC ISA buss the Sun i386 was fast...
Long story short...
Unix made Sun into a techno giant..
Windows NT put an end to AT&T computers.
Windows NT is an answer all right.... But who here knows the question?
A. Switch to Windows NT
Q. How do you bring a larg company to a grinding halt..
I don't actually exist.
My first experence with Unix was on an AT&T 3B2.. It was used so the os was already installed configured etc..
It was wonderful.. when I was done I instructed the computer to shut down... from the keyboard.. no funbling for a switch to turn it off...
I hear you say "But didn't you need to AFTER the shut down?"
Hack no.. this box was made to run Unix.. it turnned itself OFF..
The joy of using Linux for the first time..
I finally got it installed.. My Pentoum system was home made.. high end and great.. I install Slackware from floppy..
The cool part was downloading everything using Dos...
It was done and it took me a day to install..
And annother to get DIP to work..
and annother to get X11 to work..
From there I was surfing the web and ircing at the same time..
Could I do that from Windows? Yeah but only after forking over $100 more and I wasn't about to do it.
Soon I was FTPing files left and right...
and recompiling the kernel
and still chatting on IRC..
Somebody had to convence me to try out a graphical web browser however... stuck in the old ways I continued to use Lynx..
Then after a while I caved to curreosity.. installed Windows...
one week later It actually worked..
one day later I reinstalled Linux...
and I never looked back....
I don't actually exist.
well?
I used to do this. (No, really. We even got a cover on Bioengineering Laboratory.) Traditionally, the bioinformatic community prefers the following:
One of the first decent sequencers was a network application running on a 25 MHz SGI. Now that SGI is getting to be where Apple was five years ago, due partially to losing a lot of engineers to nVidea, perhaps they're going after the SGI market.
I think Hawkings is a quadreplegic
Most people would play the piano better if there were only one key...
My other sig is extremely clever...
As I recall, everything after MacOS 8 has support for upto 8 different basic mouse clicks(or "events").
Also the last revision of the ADB mouse wasa two button mouse with the single button simply covering both triggers.
NEC? I think you mean NCR.
When I was at Bell Labs, I got to play with an
amazing little box called "Alexander".
It looked like a 3B2, shrunk to the size of a
large book. It had a Unix that was compressed
on a Nintendo-ish rom cart.
When you turned it on, you got a login:
instantly (from the serial port) while the
rest of Unix uncompressed itself from
the rom into memory. I don't think it
had a hard drive. Seemingly 0 second
boot time.
Amazingly cool little box at the time.
But like so many things at AT&T, it never saw the
light of day.
There's no limit to what the army of PHBs
at AT&T could and continue to fsck up.
(With or without Microsoft)
As others have already mentioned, yes, Photoshop is now available for OS X. I'm looking forward to playing with it after getting ahold of the beta a little while back. I've never seen such a flood of adopters as I have for this recent release. If it was indeed the reason that most graphic designers hadn't moved up to OS X, we will soon know for sure.
As for Quark, it looks to be shooting itself in the foot. Not only do most graphic designers I speak to prefer InDesign, but the fact that an even better version of InDesign is now available for OS X while Quark sits on their hands and does not release a Carbonized version, certainly lead me to believe a changing of the guard may be happening soon if it hasn't already begun.
Linux and FreeBSD have converted hundreds of thousands if not millions of desktops, systems, servers and people to using something other than Microsoft. I was running a straight up Microsoft shop/ISP. And, I was converted for both personal and corporate use. The magnitude of Linux machines running out there on personal PCs should tell you they are eating up Microsoft territory. That is why Microsoft Blasts the GPL every chance they get (I am not a fan of GPL either - prefer BSD License, another Open Source / Free Source license).
The real story here is that Steve can't stop the whole "I am the best acid trippin' visionary ever" mantra long enough to target his marketplace. He is still competing with the wrong company. You really want to live off Sun's drop-offs? Come on! Sun does not have a lock on any decent share of the desktop market. Macs are NOT Servers! They are visual development and personal computing tools.
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